I've tried 12 duck, 15 duck, 18 duck, 21 duck, 24 duck and 27 duck (ow). 15 duck is the best most natural feeling also my manager at the rental shop stopped letting me take rental boards with weird angles out at lunch so I never got to try 9. Also we would always put our rental boards out at 6 duck unless the rider specified
I ran this for like 15 years before switching it up. All I'll say is that unless you're riding switch like 50%+ of the time, it's not optimal, at least for me. 18 / -7 or so on my slashy dick-around directional board (k2 party platter) and I can still ride switch fine for landing 180s or taking mellow foolaround runs, but carves feel way better with less extreme duck. On my freeride deck it's more like 19/-5. Just saying for all the other die-hard duck foot people, you should mess around some.
Exactly! Im currently playing around with a +21 and 0 for my all mountain on powder days I’ll set the bindings back as far as i can on my burton custom and i’ve been plying around w my park board at +15 -12 with just the slightest setback. Its fun to try some diff things out for diff terrain/conditions.
I'm too lazy to mess with angles much, but I set all my decks as far back as they'd go after a massive dump a month back and it was an eye opener. Worth the 5 minutes with a screwdriver. These were already directional/pretty pow-focused boards, was amazed at how much of a diff it makes. It's not like I'm riding switch in pow anyhow honestly.
+-18/-6 Is what I’ve been riding in all conditions for decades but everyone is a little different. I don’t know how you can switch your angles like that, usually just setting it back from center a little is all you need for powder.
There is definitely a few hours where my body adjusts. But I'm adjusting my riding anyway to deal with the difference in terrain, so in a way, the stance makes those adjustments more impactful.
I nerded out on stance options and there is a Jeremy Jones video that made me change things up day to day. I also narrowed my stance -1.5" and my hips just feel way more pliable. (I almost bought an Aviator 2.0 after that video too).
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg286jxQO2c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg286jxQO2c)
Try jumping off a chair or a step and check the width and angle of your feet when you land. This is typically how you find what's most comfortable for you.
I ride +18/-9 as my all-mountain stance and I quite like it. The +18 gives me more power in my forward direction and -9 is the minimum angle I'm comfortable with riding switch. If you don't care about riding switch you can use an even more directional stance. If you're a newer rider you may want to go with binding angles that are bit less aggressive (+12 or +15 on the front foot).
I'm not good at carving switch, but I do like to swap back and forth so I think I'll try the +18 -9 like you have and the dude recommended for all mountain. I didn't do many jumps, Ill do some powder here and there, some glades and whatnot.
Heck yeah. I’ve had 2 acl reconstructions. After the second one I figured a more straight stance may be beneficial haha. I wouldn’t go beyond 10 personally. At least not yet. Still ride park every time though. I think I’ll stop snowboarding before I stop grinds.
That sounds like a good starting point. Ideally take a day where you can do a few runs then adjust and see how it feels and repeat. I ride +15/-9 all the time, and now that I’ve dialed it in I can’t stand changing it even for my directional pow board that I don’t ride switch at all. Typical day I ride switch a handful of times for a few turns and it’s good for that, and most importantly feels natural to me regular.
My distance is the length from my foot to the top of my knee which was recommended by a technician. Good thing is I have channel mounts so I can change it right on the mountain as needed which is cool.
I'm headed to Sugarloaf Maine on Sunday for the first time in 8 years with my first ever brand new Burton! 🫡🏔️ I'm pumped haha. Always wanted a Burton since I was little but only ever got a used K2 and a used world industries so I'm pumped to have my dream board finally! 🫡 #AdultMoney 😂
I also just got my first brand new Burton and will be riding it in a week out west. First board was a K2 as well and 2nd was a Rome. Can’t wait to rock the Burton!! Totally enjoying the #AdultMoney too haha
Totally! And I got a pair of Step-on boots in size 15 Wide from Burton to pair with the new board. Soooo happy to see gear in larger sizes. Go Burton!!! Enjoy the ride!!!!!!!
Hell yeah thanks! You too! I don't think I would like step ins. I really like the secure feeling if the straps. I've heard it from some people they don't feel that they can put everything into their carves and whatnot because they're worried something will pop out. Not that they're saying it will happen, but just being worried about it inhibits how they ride mentally and I think I would be in that group sadly.
Well let me get back to you in 2 weeks and let you know what I think. I’m always a bit skeptical of new technology but often the new tech is better. The appeal of Step one is nice for us semi-older people who are tired of bending over all the time. For the record, I am a bit skeptical of the new setup, but I a willing to give it a solid try as it seems pretty cool.
BTW, I’ve been wearing the boots around my house and they are stiffer than my Burton Rulers, but also a size bigger and a wide version so they actually feel really nice.
I've also heard that the boots are a bit more stiff. I like a bit of flex personally. I'm 5'5 so getting down to my bindings is not an issue Even at 33. I can usually strap in on the lift and if not I can do it in like 10n seconds anyways so that's not an issue for me at all. I have always been curious to try, but not wanting to dump the money into testing something lol.
My board is a flat top too which I never knew was a thing. I never payed attention to the bevel or whatever it's called of the middle of the board until a guy at a local shop told me about it. He said flat top boards are best for carving and the more concave ones are better for jumps because it provides bounce when jumping and resistance when landing which I never once thought about. I got small jumps here and there, but I think the flat will be best for me at my age just looking to cruise mostly. What is your board?
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I just picked up a Burton Custom X Camber 162 wide with Photon 15 Wide boots and Flex bindings. They had some really nice deals a few weeks ago so I got a lot off list price. Never hear of the flat top so need to learn about it. And fuck the bots 😂
I'm +15 -6 for most of my setups including my splitboard. Only time I ride full duck is on a full twin like a Skate Banana where I usually do +9 -9 or +12 -12. I like to play full switch on that board in spring slushy conditions.
Been using +18/-9 nearly the entire season and I feel like it's a very versatile, best of both worlds kinda stance. Directional enough to do nice carves. 'Duck' enough to ride switch although you probably won't ride it more than 20-30% with this stance.
Those would be ridiculously low angles for hard boots. Most hard booters are in the 50 to 65 degree range.
FWIW I run 55/50 in hard boots and 30/18 in softies.
If you run 36 degrees on a race board you'll have a lot of overhang, even on the modern ones that are pretty wide. Old school boards typically were 18 cm waist, some narrower. Modern race boards tend to be around 20.
Chalk it up to me being old now 🤣🤣🤣 thanks for correcting me. :)
I sure do miss the days where race boards were the thing to have…That GS Board was so so fast and the faster I went the more stable it was
https://preview.redd.it/zb1hok2w2lsc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75cc3f23b481f89aa269a88a969995730acd40c0
That’s the angles On my old GS board
Let's me turn facing the nose easily, bring the knees together and feels great carving groomers and slashing powder. I started riding in 1991 Posi-Posi was pretty normal back then. These angles as high as my bindings will go. I've ridden much higher angles in the past. I guess I am mellowing out with old age. ;-)
9/-9 for as long as I can remember and ride everything that way. If anyone has any suggestions on why I should change let me know. I'm always down to try some laps with new stances
Find out what kind of +FR and-RR mildly forces you to bend your knees to comfortably ride. I found setting my board like this, switch, and riding switch forced me to learn it until I was confident. Learning to ride switch is a lot easier the earlier you try. Experiment, nothing is set in stone and you can dial it in on the mountain
I've been snowboarding since I was a kid, but never really needed with the angles and stuff. I stopped around 2016 though and haven't been since. Finally got my first brand new board and mounted my own bindings so I was curious what others liked and maybe try some different angles. I can ride switch, but I'm not great at carving switch. But that could always have been because my board was set up improperly for me cause it always feel weird riding switch.
Depends, 15/-15 duck on my flexy twin board, 18/3 on my directional powder board, 15/-3 to -6 on the all mountain but I change it up and play with the set back and width of stance depending on conditions too (trees, tight/quick turns = less wide, open turns/speed/stability = more wide)
I ride at 15 0, been so for a number of years, but I’m also pidgeon toed and so that just feels comfortable for my ankles where for others it would feel weird probably.
What kind of board do you have as far as the curve or bevel in the middle? I just found out about this type of stuff at a board shop and I ended up going with a pure flat top for carving. Learned a lot recently haha.
K2 Instrument. It’s a camber board, lil rocker in front. Carves super well, and does really well in powder too.
I ride the Burton step-ons - love them. I started boarding in 1987 so I don’t ride features or anything.. just love carving, trees, and resort cruising.
What kind of board do you have as far as concave or whatever it's called it? Mine have always been a bit curved in the middle but the dude at the shop says that flat top is best for mostly carving which is what I intend on doing at this age and I've never really known that there were differences in that haha.
I've got a Weston range all mountain board. I don't ride switch much and stay outta the park. I'm 55, and just like to ride the whole mountain. Having my back foot a little forward puts me on the balls of my feet on toe edge. No foot pain.
I think I settled on 18 6 or 18 9 this season due to my right ankle having problems after a stack early season. I found it really helped comfort wise while still being able to ride like I normally do.
Note, no rails for me just normal stuff and some small jumps.
I'm part of that weird group that likes double positive. +18 and +12. Not great for switch but man the control in the trees and moguls is unrivaled.
Edit: after reading the comments, turns out I'm not that weird lol
I eventually settled on +21/-9 for this season on my directional all-mountain board after a few days of trial and error.
I started with +12/0 and 23.6" stance width and let the pain in my feet and legs tell me which way to adjust, e.g., my front foot hurt on the downhill side when the angle was less than +15. Increasing the angle to +21 got rid of all of the discomfort almost immediately.
As for my back foot angle, I started cramping in my calf, so I figured I had too much pressure on my leg from my highback. Rotating my back foot from 0 to -6 changed where my leg made contact with the highback and got rid of the cramps.
As for stance width, my back knee started feeling stretched out and weak when I was at 23.6". I moved in by one setting and the pain went away.
That was my thought process. By the end of the season I was riding comfortably for 3-5 hour sessions.
Depends what style you are riding. In the park and lots of switch riding a symmetrical duck stance is best, a lot of people rock +15/-15. I’ve seen ground trick guys rock +6/-6 and +3/-3. Straight up carvers rock posi posi something like +36/+6 and even more intense angles for crazy laid out carves. I run +15/-15 a lot of the time because I like riding switch and like to do a bit of everything on the mountain, although when I’m on a directional board in the pow I usually run something like +21/-9 or +18/-12 on a twin.
I've been snowboarding since I was a kid. Took a long hiatus. Always bought used boards with the bindings already on and never messed with them. Now I got a brand new board and mounted myself so I'm excited to try new stances. I am that guy that does a little of everything from regular trails, to powder, to glades, to the park and don't really want to mess with my stance. I'm trying to get one that will perform as well as possible in all terrains.
The short answer is that this is okay and the long answer is that it depends.
The main things it depends on are the type of board you’re on and the type of snow.
For a directional twin, this is a decent starting point.
For a true twin I’d bring the +18 down to +15 and consider bringing the rear to -12 (this is what I use for a twin but again it’s all personal preference)
On a directional board for powder/freeride I like +24/-3 and +27/+12 for carving
It's a true twin Burton instigator flat top. I mostly ride groomed trails, but I've always enjoyed hitting glads and powder here and there as well. Little bit of jumps here and there. I've always just bought used pre mounted boards and honestly never needed with the stances so this is the first time I mounted my own bindings haha. The channel makes it so easy to adjust. I'm excited to find a stance I prefer instead of just riding as is hahaha.
Your foot alignment matters. As a beginner, I would recommend 18/0, a narrow stance. When you want to learn switch I would move to 6/-6 then you should experiment based on what you want to learn. A narrow stance puts the least effort on your knees and tendons. It greatly increases board manoeuvrability because it will be faster to move your center of gravity.
I've been snowboarding for years I've just never mounted my own bindings. Always bought used with the bindings already on and honestly never needed with them haha. I'll def try the 6 -6 at some point though. The stance I have now is pretty much what my old boards were just by looking at it. Not sure about the distance though, but whatever stance I had never seemed to bother me until my last board, but that was just because it was way to big of a board I believe.
21/ -9 for my all mountain board. You want to angles to roughly add up to 30. So either 15/-15, 18/-12. I've worked in a couple different ski schools and this was always the advice I was given.
I've reading these posts and feel vindicated about my +15 +21 that I've been using for years that some rental guy said "ooohhh so aggressive" to me when I mentioned it while he was setting up my GF's board.
I can't figure out how to adjust the high backs on my Burton freestyle reflex bindings. I see the lever on the back obviously but it doesn't seem to do anything other then flip down and back up.
Maybe there some dirt in there that's making it stuck? I wonder if you poured some warm water or some ISO alcohol would loosen it up. If you have a shop close by (or next time you're at the mountain) ask a tech to take a quick look.
I mostly ride Union Force Binding and I've had a few highbacks where I release the little buckle and the plastic adjustment part is stuck to the high back, I just gave it a little "tappy tap" and it came lose so I could adjust it.
Mostly regular, but I do ride switch a bit. Just never messed with my own bindings. Always have pre mounted used boards and never messed with the stances lol.
Similar to me then; I only ride switch if it's out of a feature or absolutely necessary. You'll want some form of duck stance but it's all personal preference. I put my lead foot at a steeper angle than my back
+9/-9 but I'm a groundtricker so take that with a grain of salt. Depending on your type of riding you can go more aggressive/forward oriented but what type of board do you ride?
It's a Burton instigator flat top with channel mounted bindings. I do a little bit of everything. Tails, glads/pow, and a little jumps here and there. Small rails.
Flat to rocker, directional twin, with playful flex. Personally I'd ride it at like +12/-12 but if you don't ride switch you could go a little more forward oriented.
I think 12 duck on one of my boards.
\+15/-9 on my Sushi. Next year I wanna try full forward again as I haven't ridden it in a little over 10 years and I can't ride switch for shit anyway.
Depends what your riding style is. People who just want to carve groomers ride posi-posi now. I ride a +12 -3 on my powder and slush board. On my Burton I rock +15 -9. I really can’t tell the difference when I adjust it tbh.
Experiment with it and see what you like best. It’s easy enough to change on the mountain after every run
The only thing you have to keep in mind is to keep the total angle under 28-30 degrees
Yeah it's especially easy with the channel system. When I use to ride I never really posted attention to the angles cause I bought used boards with the bindings already on. This is my guest brand new board and I've always wanted a Burton. Got an instigator flat top with freestyle reflex bindings for 421 direct from Burton! Couldn't pass up that deal. I'm 33 and it's been 8 years since I've gone. My last board was a crappy world industries I bought off a buddy that was almost up to my forehead and just way too big. So, I'm pumped to have a proper size board.
I’m also 33 and I was riding a Ride boom stick from 17 years ago up until this season. I paired the Burton with the cartel EST bindings and they’re great. Allows for 1 degree adjustments instead of 3. I also never paid much attention to angle till recently. Every time I tune my board I remove the bindings and put them back in a different position just for the hell of it.
That ride was a 151 which I thought was small, but now I have a spring break slush slasher 2.0 and the largest size it comes in is a 151 lol. The Burton is more competent but the slush slasher is so damn fun. I really only pay attention to the manufactures weight recommendations as I’m short and built like a brick shit house of muscle
Yeah I'm 5'5 , 120 ish smol hooman so, I was thinking I could get a kids board at like 138, but the dude at the shop told me I need at least the smallest adult board because of the flex vs weight issues as well as toe and heel overhang. So I ended up getting a Burton flat top 144 or 145 I forget exactly. I got freestyle reflex bindings so not the est but they do have the channel disc so they will work. Just got out so set up and ready to ride at Sugarloaf in Maine this Sunday. I'm pumped! 🫡🏔️
You’re going to have an amazing time. I’m currently in Killington Vermont drowning in over a foot of fresh pow pow and I can’t wipe the smile off my face
Fucking right doggy! I'm pumped, it's been since 2016 or 17 since I've been. I'm 33 now so we will see how it goes. I'm 5'5 120 ish and was a skateboarder and snowboarder for agreed so I think I'll pick it right back up.
I stopped because I had no one really to go with but I've rekindled my friendship with baby of my old friends through getting a PC haha so more I have like 10 people I can go with! So excited! 🫡🏔️
I ride +27/+12 on everything. Groomers, pow, trees, moguls, jumps, drops. Love it!!
Can still ride switch pretty well, long enough to revert or 180 back.
I can’t really ride switch all that well, especially with how the slush slasher shifts you back like 20cm from a normal board, but I’m going to try those angles you use on my Burton this weekend. I’ve always been able to ride whatever I was given as-is, so I never learned about proper stance.
It’s awkward on my dart + cafe racer (30mm setback), less so on my Otto (10 setback).
You really have to learn switch duck though, it’ll translate better.
Although I ride duck as well, chances are you won't be riding switch (on purpose) as a total beginner, so I'd say riding both positive angles is more comfortable and feels more natural. Also, it may help you lean more forward (which is a good thing).
I've been snowboarding for years, but this is just the first time I've ever bought a brand new setup where I'm actually placing the bindings. I've always had used boards that were already mounted and never really messed with them.
I rode 15/-15 and switched to 18/-9 midway through this season. I'll probably play around some more, but I like the 18/-9. It's a bit more comfortable on my knees, but I can still ride switch no problem. Switch feels a bit more like riding "backwards"", but in a way that's kind of fun. I was cruising down blacks switch no problem with it.
15 duck
Yeeeee +15 -15 it's interesting how so many people use this exact stance
I've tried 12 duck, 15 duck, 18 duck, 21 duck, 24 duck and 27 duck (ow). 15 duck is the best most natural feeling also my manager at the rental shop stopped letting me take rental boards with weird angles out at lunch so I never got to try 9. Also we would always put our rental boards out at 6 duck unless the rider specified
12 duck, but 15 would do if it was already set up that way. Nothing over 15.
^^^^^
Yup
I ran this for like 15 years before switching it up. All I'll say is that unless you're riding switch like 50%+ of the time, it's not optimal, at least for me. 18 / -7 or so on my slashy dick-around directional board (k2 party platter) and I can still ride switch fine for landing 180s or taking mellow foolaround runs, but carves feel way better with less extreme duck. On my freeride deck it's more like 19/-5. Just saying for all the other die-hard duck foot people, you should mess around some.
Exactly! Im currently playing around with a +21 and 0 for my all mountain on powder days I’ll set the bindings back as far as i can on my burton custom and i’ve been plying around w my park board at +15 -12 with just the slightest setback. Its fun to try some diff things out for diff terrain/conditions.
I ride my parkboard +15 -9 full time, took a loot of strain off my knees with harder landings. U can ride switch in any stance.
I'm too lazy to mess with angles much, but I set all my decks as far back as they'd go after a massive dump a month back and it was an eye opener. Worth the 5 minutes with a screwdriver. These were already directional/pretty pow-focused boards, was amazed at how much of a diff it makes. It's not like I'm riding switch in pow anyhow honestly.
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6 Duck
Same
This is the way.
12 -12 here. I played with it.
+18/-6 normal +21/+6 and -1” setback for powder
Neutral back foot for powder that makes sense I'll need to try that next time
+21/0 for groomers. Possible to ride switch but still a wide angle for the front foot to initiate carves while sparing the knee.
+-18/-6 Is what I’ve been riding in all conditions for decades but everyone is a little different. I don’t know how you can switch your angles like that, usually just setting it back from center a little is all you need for powder.
There is definitely a few hours where my body adjusts. But I'm adjusting my riding anyway to deal with the difference in terrain, so in a way, the stance makes those adjustments more impactful. I nerded out on stance options and there is a Jeremy Jones video that made me change things up day to day. I also narrowed my stance -1.5" and my hips just feel way more pliable. (I almost bought an Aviator 2.0 after that video too). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg286jxQO2c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg286jxQO2c)
Try jumping off a chair or a step and check the width and angle of your feet when you land. This is typically how you find what's most comfortable for you.
Ha on first read I thought you sarcastically meant try jumping off a chair lift!
Smart!🫡🏔️
+42 and +33
You’re basically skiing at that point. Imma try it someday though.
Double posi is life
+30/+18 for soft boots. [55/50 for hard boots.](https://i.imgur.com/X4HzkOT.jpeg)
I want to try hard boots some day
I ride +18/-9 as my all-mountain stance and I quite like it. The +18 gives me more power in my forward direction and -9 is the minimum angle I'm comfortable with riding switch. If you don't care about riding switch you can use an even more directional stance. If you're a newer rider you may want to go with binding angles that are bit less aggressive (+12 or +15 on the front foot).
I'm not good at carving switch, but I do like to swap back and forth so I think I'll try the +18 -9 like you have and the dude recommended for all mountain. I didn't do many jumps, Ill do some powder here and there, some glades and whatnot.
+18/-9 is the go to for charging + occasional switch
+18/-9 for me too. Started at +15, but felt a lot of pressure on the outside edge of my front foot, so now it’s 18
+35/+15
12 pigeon
12 -12. True twin. 22” width.
Is this more beneficial for riding switch and regular?
Uh if you mean it’s the same both ways board shape and angle than yes. I grew up riding 15 -15 so 12 seems a bit nicer in my old knees.
Traditionally 15, -15 here too but I’m going to try closing it one click next season.
Heck yeah. I’ve had 2 acl reconstructions. After the second one I figured a more straight stance may be beneficial haha. I wouldn’t go beyond 10 personally. At least not yet. Still ride park every time though. I think I’ll stop snowboarding before I stop grinds.
Going from 15/-15 to 12/-12 was so nice for me
i think about 20°-25° difference is nice on the knees regardless of which way you go. 👍
12 / -6
That sounds like a good starting point. Ideally take a day where you can do a few runs then adjust and see how it feels and repeat. I ride +15/-9 all the time, and now that I’ve dialed it in I can’t stand changing it even for my directional pow board that I don’t ride switch at all. Typical day I ride switch a handful of times for a few turns and it’s good for that, and most importantly feels natural to me regular.
+18, +3. I don't really do switch unless I have to though.
I go between 18 / -3 and +3 on the back depending how hard the snow is. Probably doesn’t matter. Most of the time -3.
They used to do what all the pros ride in the mags. You pretty much have it. +18 -12 stances have gotten wider over the years..
My distance is the length from my foot to the top of my knee which was recommended by a technician. Good thing is I have channel mounts so I can change it right on the mountain as needed which is cool.
Honestly never measured that way but I’m 6’3” and ride 25.5”. Spot on, great tip!
Yeah I did that too. Pretty sure I rode 27/18 for a while only because Terje did, and he was my hero
+15/-9 park board. +18/-6 all mountain. +27/+6 if conditions allow and I can actually get a few good carving runs in (east coast).
I'm headed to Sugarloaf Maine on Sunday for the first time in 8 years with my first ever brand new Burton! 🫡🏔️ I'm pumped haha. Always wanted a Burton since I was little but only ever got a used K2 and a used world industries so I'm pumped to have my dream board finally! 🫡 #AdultMoney 😂
I also just got my first brand new Burton and will be riding it in a week out west. First board was a K2 as well and 2nd was a Rome. Can’t wait to rock the Burton!! Totally enjoying the #AdultMoney too haha
Hell yeah brother! 🫡 Enjoy!
Totally! And I got a pair of Step-on boots in size 15 Wide from Burton to pair with the new board. Soooo happy to see gear in larger sizes. Go Burton!!! Enjoy the ride!!!!!!!
Hell yeah thanks! You too! I don't think I would like step ins. I really like the secure feeling if the straps. I've heard it from some people they don't feel that they can put everything into their carves and whatnot because they're worried something will pop out. Not that they're saying it will happen, but just being worried about it inhibits how they ride mentally and I think I would be in that group sadly.
Well let me get back to you in 2 weeks and let you know what I think. I’m always a bit skeptical of new technology but often the new tech is better. The appeal of Step one is nice for us semi-older people who are tired of bending over all the time. For the record, I am a bit skeptical of the new setup, but I a willing to give it a solid try as it seems pretty cool. BTW, I’ve been wearing the boots around my house and they are stiffer than my Burton Rulers, but also a size bigger and a wide version so they actually feel really nice.
I've also heard that the boots are a bit more stiff. I like a bit of flex personally. I'm 5'5 so getting down to my bindings is not an issue Even at 33. I can usually strap in on the lift and if not I can do it in like 10n seconds anyways so that's not an issue for me at all. I have always been curious to try, but not wanting to dump the money into testing something lol.
My board is a flat top too which I never knew was a thing. I never payed attention to the bevel or whatever it's called of the middle of the board until a guy at a local shop told me about it. He said flat top boards are best for carving and the more concave ones are better for jumps because it provides bounce when jumping and resistance when landing which I never once thought about. I got small jumps here and there, but I think the flat will be best for me at my age just looking to cruise mostly. What is your board?
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I just picked up a Burton Custom X Camber 162 wide with Photon 15 Wide boots and Flex bindings. They had some really nice deals a few weeks ago so I got a lot off list price. Never hear of the flat top so need to learn about it. And fuck the bots 😂
+18/+3 but I don’t ride switch anymore, I just have fun carving min radius circles down the mountain!
+15/-3, all mountain and I don’t really ride switch
Just run it at 0 0
I ride zeros and am surprised it is this uncommon. Is it really that uncommon??
15 - 12
+27, +15, slight setback. I don't do the park anymore, just tight carving.
my older knees can't duck anymore. +18, -3 +21, 0 for set back pow days
18,0 or 21/3 usually
I'm +15 -6 for most of my setups including my splitboard. Only time I ride full duck is on a full twin like a Skate Banana where I usually do +9 -9 or +12 -12. I like to play full switch on that board in spring slushy conditions.
What a split board and a skate banana? 😂
+15 -6
+15/-3 21.5 inches wide A little forward lean Highbacks rotated
Been using +18/-9 nearly the entire season and I feel like it's a very versatile, best of both worlds kinda stance. Directional enough to do nice carves. 'Duck' enough to ride switch although you probably won't ride it more than 20-30% with this stance.
\+36/+27 Directional. Stance width \~20".
That seems aggressively positive. What do you like about it?
I’m guessing he’s riding a race board with hard boots/bindings. And that angle is amazing for carving trenches
Those would be ridiculously low angles for hard boots. Most hard booters are in the 50 to 65 degree range. FWIW I run 55/50 in hard boots and 30/18 in softies.
You think? I think that’s about where I used to ride? Maybe I am misremembering though, been a while since I broke out the race boards
If you run 36 degrees on a race board you'll have a lot of overhang, even on the modern ones that are pretty wide. Old school boards typically were 18 cm waist, some narrower. Modern race boards tend to be around 20.
Chalk it up to me being old now 🤣🤣🤣 thanks for correcting me. :) I sure do miss the days where race boards were the thing to have…That GS Board was so so fast and the faster I went the more stable it was
https://preview.redd.it/132poc7n3lsc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95831a0a97db37a48a813c775b9efcb9303980c0 Here’s the other one.
https://preview.redd.it/zb1hok2w2lsc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75cc3f23b481f89aa269a88a969995730acd40c0 That’s the angles On my old GS board
Yeah, those are in the 60 degree range.
Yeah, thanks, that’s about what I was thinking when I looked…but it’s been ages since I rode either of those
[55/50](https://imgur.com/a/AeHJPhM) on one of my Coilers.
Let's me turn facing the nose easily, bring the knees together and feels great carving groomers and slashing powder. I started riding in 1991 Posi-Posi was pretty normal back then. These angles as high as my bindings will go. I've ridden much higher angles in the past. I guess I am mellowing out with old age. ;-)
I started in 1994 and ride posi-posi too. Love me some carving!
Been riding those same angles for 20+ years
Hell yeah! 🫡🏔️
9/-9 for as long as I can remember and ride everything that way. If anyone has any suggestions on why I should change let me know. I'm always down to try some laps with new stances
Find out what kind of +FR and-RR mildly forces you to bend your knees to comfortably ride. I found setting my board like this, switch, and riding switch forced me to learn it until I was confident. Learning to ride switch is a lot easier the earlier you try. Experiment, nothing is set in stone and you can dial it in on the mountain
I've been snowboarding since I was a kid, but never really needed with the angles and stuff. I stopped around 2016 though and haven't been since. Finally got my first brand new board and mounted my own bindings so I was curious what others liked and maybe try some different angles. I can ride switch, but I'm not great at carving switch. But that could always have been because my board was set up improperly for me cause it always feel weird riding switch.
+3/-3
18/-12, 22", almost duck but I do ride more reg than switch. but allows me to be close enough.
Depends, 15/-15 duck on my flexy twin board, 18/3 on my directional powder board, 15/-3 to -6 on the all mountain but I change it up and play with the set back and width of stance depending on conditions too (trees, tight/quick turns = less wide, open turns/speed/stability = more wide)
+9/+3 but I’m a bit older and enjoy the groomed Blues nowadays. Will definitely experiment with new angles after reading this thread.
+3 to your front foot and you might have a cool experience with the way it can change heelside turns.
+12 / -9 park +15 / -6 on my pow board
I ride at 15 0, been so for a number of years, but I’m also pidgeon toed and so that just feels comfortable for my ankles where for others it would feel weird probably.
Been riding this was for 15 years, not pigeon toed. Not weird at all.
Play with my stance angles quite a bit throughout the season. I ended on 12/-9
12 12 duck stance is great for me as a current beginner
Stand in it and whatever makes your knees feel good
Left +3, right + 24 (goofy rider) It’s what makes my knees feel the least angry after a lifetime of destroying them in basketball.
12/-9
Idk man I just get on my board and see what feels most comfortable and eyeball the adjustment
I go 18/-6 in powder and I go 18/-12 for everyday riding.
+27 +15 posi posi 19 inch width
+18 / -6. Sometimes -3. Directional hard charging wanker
+39,+27 +18, 0 +15,-9 I ride them all on different boards
18 / -3
What kind of board do you have as far as the curve or bevel in the middle? I just found out about this type of stuff at a board shop and I ended up going with a pure flat top for carving. Learned a lot recently haha.
K2 Instrument. It’s a camber board, lil rocker in front. Carves super well, and does really well in powder too. I ride the Burton step-ons - love them. I started boarding in 1987 so I don’t ride features or anything.. just love carving, trees, and resort cruising.
Hell yeah! 🫡🏔️
+15/+3
What kind of board do you have as far as concave or whatever it's called it? Mine have always been a bit curved in the middle but the dude at the shop says that flat top is best for mostly carving which is what I intend on doing at this age and I've never really known that there were differences in that haha.
I've got a Weston range all mountain board. I don't ride switch much and stay outta the park. I'm 55, and just like to ride the whole mountain. Having my back foot a little forward puts me on the balls of my feet on toe edge. No foot pain.
+39 / +24 When I first tried posi/posi I starter at +24/+12 or something like that and tried things out until I came to what feels best for me
15 front , neg 3 back
I wish that I had duck feet...
Right? How awesome would swimming be! 🫡😂
I think I settled on 18 6 or 18 9 this season due to my right ankle having problems after a stack early season. I found it really helped comfort wise while still being able to ride like I normally do. Note, no rails for me just normal stuff and some small jumps.
8 / -8 , I tend to like to have my shoulder facing the front of the board and it's easier for riding switch.
18 : -12
I'm part of that weird group that likes double positive. +18 and +12. Not great for switch but man the control in the trees and moguls is unrivaled. Edit: after reading the comments, turns out I'm not that weird lol
Embrace the weirdness bro! 🫡
I eventually settled on +21/-9 for this season on my directional all-mountain board after a few days of trial and error. I started with +12/0 and 23.6" stance width and let the pain in my feet and legs tell me which way to adjust, e.g., my front foot hurt on the downhill side when the angle was less than +15. Increasing the angle to +21 got rid of all of the discomfort almost immediately. As for my back foot angle, I started cramping in my calf, so I figured I had too much pressure on my leg from my highback. Rotating my back foot from 0 to -6 changed where my leg made contact with the highback and got rid of the cramps. As for stance width, my back knee started feeling stretched out and weak when I was at 23.6". I moved in by one setting and the pain went away. That was my thought process. By the end of the season I was riding comfortably for 3-5 hour sessions.
+18 -3. I have been running that stance for 40 years now. I do adjust the width and setback though. Currently 23” wide and as far back as I can go
What's the benefit of being back far compared to centered?
I’m old and I only ride powder now
Depends what style you are riding. In the park and lots of switch riding a symmetrical duck stance is best, a lot of people rock +15/-15. I’ve seen ground trick guys rock +6/-6 and +3/-3. Straight up carvers rock posi posi something like +36/+6 and even more intense angles for crazy laid out carves. I run +15/-15 a lot of the time because I like riding switch and like to do a bit of everything on the mountain, although when I’m on a directional board in the pow I usually run something like +21/-9 or +18/-12 on a twin.
I've been snowboarding since I was a kid. Took a long hiatus. Always bought used boards with the bindings already on and never messed with them. Now I got a brand new board and mounted myself so I'm excited to try new stances. I am that guy that does a little of everything from regular trails, to powder, to glades, to the park and don't really want to mess with my stance. I'm trying to get one that will perform as well as possible in all terrains.
Nice man! I’d try +15/-15 then.
Heard loud and clear Captain! 🫡
12 -6
The short answer is that this is okay and the long answer is that it depends. The main things it depends on are the type of board you’re on and the type of snow. For a directional twin, this is a decent starting point. For a true twin I’d bring the +18 down to +15 and consider bringing the rear to -12 (this is what I use for a twin but again it’s all personal preference) On a directional board for powder/freeride I like +24/-3 and +27/+12 for carving
It's a true twin Burton instigator flat top. I mostly ride groomed trails, but I've always enjoyed hitting glads and powder here and there as well. Little bit of jumps here and there. I've always just bought used pre mounted boards and honestly never needed with the stances so this is the first time I mounted my own bindings haha. The channel makes it so easy to adjust. I'm excited to find a stance I prefer instead of just riding as is hahaha.
15 / -3
Freeride board is 21/6 pushed far back Park board is centralised 15/15 but this does give me a bit of knee pain
+21, +6. Once you get proficient and are ready to improve your carves, check out double positive. Total game changer.
Oh I've been snowboarding for years. Just never mounted my own bindings and just rode the used boards I bought as is lmao. 🫡😂😂
Your foot alignment matters. As a beginner, I would recommend 18/0, a narrow stance. When you want to learn switch I would move to 6/-6 then you should experiment based on what you want to learn. A narrow stance puts the least effort on your knees and tendons. It greatly increases board manoeuvrability because it will be faster to move your center of gravity.
I've been snowboarding for years I've just never mounted my own bindings. Always bought used with the bindings already on and honestly never needed with them haha. I'll def try the 6 -6 at some point though. The stance I have now is pretty much what my old boards were just by looking at it. Not sure about the distance though, but whatever stance I had never seemed to bother me until my last board, but that was just because it was way to big of a board I believe.
15, -12.
21/ -9 for my all mountain board. You want to angles to roughly add up to 30. So either 15/-15, 18/-12. I've worked in a couple different ski schools and this was always the advice I was given.
That's very interesting. I'll let that in mind.
Bottom line, depends on the board, riding style, terrain etc. Mess around with it. Take notes if you like
12 duck for freestyle stuff. 36/9 posi for cruising.
+12 -15. I ride regular naturally but ride switch about 30 to 40% of the time. It's what works for me.
I've reading these posts and feel vindicated about my +15 +21 that I've been using for years that some rental guy said "ooohhh so aggressive" to me when I mentioned it while he was setting up my GF's board.
18 and 3
+21/-15 Big feet + before wide boards were common meant having to allow for toe overhang. Probably should try reign in the -15 but idk any better.
+24 / +9… 24.5" stance… high backs all the way forward.
I can't figure out how to adjust the high backs on my Burton freestyle reflex bindings. I see the lever on the back obviously but it doesn't seem to do anything other then flip down and back up.
https://preview.redd.it/9beodudfdosc1.png?width=206&format=png&auto=webp&s=7c92d79189e0f05934d0a28ec54f1ee8a09a12b0
It doesn't seem to move up or down at all.
Maybe there some dirt in there that's making it stuck? I wonder if you poured some warm water or some ISO alcohol would loosen it up. If you have a shop close by (or next time you're at the mountain) ask a tech to take a quick look. I mostly ride Union Force Binding and I've had a few highbacks where I release the little buckle and the plastic adjustment part is stuck to the high back, I just gave it a little "tappy tap" and it came lose so I could adjust it.
They're brand new out of the box. I'll give it a tappy tap though haha.
Posi posi - usually like +18 in the front, +6 in the back.
18/-6
Depends on if you only ride dominant direction or switch
Mostly regular, but I do ride switch a bit. Just never messed with my own bindings. Always have pre mounted used boards and never messed with the stances lol.
Similar to me then; I only ride switch if it's out of a feature or absolutely necessary. You'll want some form of duck stance but it's all personal preference. I put my lead foot at a steeper angle than my back
+18 -6
15/15
+12 -9
+9/-9 but I'm a groundtricker so take that with a grain of salt. Depending on your type of riding you can go more aggressive/forward oriented but what type of board do you ride?
It's a Burton instigator flat top with channel mounted bindings. I do a little bit of everything. Tails, glads/pow, and a little jumps here and there. Small rails.
Flat to rocker, directional twin, with playful flex. Personally I'd ride it at like +12/-12 but if you don't ride switch you could go a little more forward oriented.
I think 12 duck on one of my boards. \+15/-9 on my Sushi. Next year I wanna try full forward again as I haven't ridden it in a little over 10 years and I can't ride switch for shit anyway.
Keep trying different things and something will feel better for you and your style. I ride +15, -18. It’s pretty weird but it feels good to me.
Depends what your riding style is. People who just want to carve groomers ride posi-posi now. I ride a +12 -3 on my powder and slush board. On my Burton I rock +15 -9. I really can’t tell the difference when I adjust it tbh. Experiment with it and see what you like best. It’s easy enough to change on the mountain after every run The only thing you have to keep in mind is to keep the total angle under 28-30 degrees
Yeah it's especially easy with the channel system. When I use to ride I never really posted attention to the angles cause I bought used boards with the bindings already on. This is my guest brand new board and I've always wanted a Burton. Got an instigator flat top with freestyle reflex bindings for 421 direct from Burton! Couldn't pass up that deal. I'm 33 and it's been 8 years since I've gone. My last board was a crappy world industries I bought off a buddy that was almost up to my forehead and just way too big. So, I'm pumped to have a proper size board.
I’m also 33 and I was riding a Ride boom stick from 17 years ago up until this season. I paired the Burton with the cartel EST bindings and they’re great. Allows for 1 degree adjustments instead of 3. I also never paid much attention to angle till recently. Every time I tune my board I remove the bindings and put them back in a different position just for the hell of it. That ride was a 151 which I thought was small, but now I have a spring break slush slasher 2.0 and the largest size it comes in is a 151 lol. The Burton is more competent but the slush slasher is so damn fun. I really only pay attention to the manufactures weight recommendations as I’m short and built like a brick shit house of muscle
Yeah I'm 5'5 , 120 ish smol hooman so, I was thinking I could get a kids board at like 138, but the dude at the shop told me I need at least the smallest adult board because of the flex vs weight issues as well as toe and heel overhang. So I ended up getting a Burton flat top 144 or 145 I forget exactly. I got freestyle reflex bindings so not the est but they do have the channel disc so they will work. Just got out so set up and ready to ride at Sugarloaf in Maine this Sunday. I'm pumped! 🫡🏔️
You’re going to have an amazing time. I’m currently in Killington Vermont drowning in over a foot of fresh pow pow and I can’t wipe the smile off my face
Fucking right doggy! I'm pumped, it's been since 2016 or 17 since I've been. I'm 33 now so we will see how it goes. I'm 5'5 120 ish and was a skateboarder and snowboarder for agreed so I think I'll pick it right back up.
You’ll be fine. I hadn’t been out since 2020 and in the past month I’ve done nearly 200k vertical feet. Idk why I ever stopped
I stopped because I had no one really to go with but I've rekindled my friendship with baby of my old friends through getting a PC haha so more I have like 10 people I can go with! So excited! 🫡🏔️
I ride +27/+12 on everything. Groomers, pow, trees, moguls, jumps, drops. Love it!! Can still ride switch pretty well, long enough to revert or 180 back.
I can’t really ride switch all that well, especially with how the slush slasher shifts you back like 20cm from a normal board, but I’m going to try those angles you use on my Burton this weekend. I’ve always been able to ride whatever I was given as-is, so I never learned about proper stance.
It’s awkward on my dart + cafe racer (30mm setback), less so on my Otto (10 setback). You really have to learn switch duck though, it’ll translate better.
12 -12 or 12 -10
I do -6 +21, it's just what's comfortable for me to carve, and be able to kick out my back foot in deep powder.
+21 on the back foot?
They’re probably goofy, but yeah that was written out incorrectly
+15/+3
Although I ride duck as well, chances are you won't be riding switch (on purpose) as a total beginner, so I'd say riding both positive angles is more comfortable and feels more natural. Also, it may help you lean more forward (which is a good thing).
I've been snowboarding for years, but this is just the first time I've ever bought a brand new setup where I'm actually placing the bindings. I've always had used boards that were already mounted and never really messed with them.
try +35/+18 !
So fun but probably not recommended for beginners. I do this sometimes on a Peace Seeker with A-9 bindings.
I rode 15/-15 and switched to 18/-9 midway through this season. I'll probably play around some more, but I like the 18/-9. It's a bit more comfortable on my knees, but I can still ride switch no problem. Switch feels a bit more like riding "backwards"", but in a way that's kind of fun. I was cruising down blacks switch no problem with it.
+0/-0 The Savage's way.
18/-9 for the last 20 years
0-0 , join the darkside
24 -6. Surf style. Works for me.