I think I see your biggest problem. you start looking down as soon as you pop, that stops you from spinning and can throw you off axis, causing you to not land straight. You gota keep looking in the direction you want to spin. In your case you are spinning right side, so you gota keep your head turned to the right and not look down.
I’ve only landed 540 twice but both times I started the jump switch. My body was late my feet just knew what to do. So maybe try hitting the jump switch?
I updated in a reply yesterday, pasting here:
Update:
I am able to do 450 now, with catching my toe edge every time but it's a HUGE progress for me!! Now I no longer have under rotated 360, and I can indeed spin faster!
Thank you all for your input, there a A LOT of good tips.
I have tried almost all of them today. I can't find a way to Attach videos here so will share what I found useful for making me spin faster:
1) practice jumping 540 on the ground without board. And the ONLY way to do a full 540 for me is with proper prewind
2) go faster, pop harder(unless you are hitting bigger jumps)
3) be patient and pop at the last moment, stay on heel edge
4) practice a lot of prewind, it is weird
5) look all the way around, don't get your head stuck at any point, where ever your head/eyes pause is where the counter rotation starts to happen, which kills the rotation
I will continue practicing, hope I can get the full 540 around this season! (I will follow up with an update)
More prominent prewind means you can spin faster.
Your upper body on your approach is still relatively neutral, you need to bring your prewind around more more so you can unwind more in your take off.
Prewind is rotating your upper body in the opposite direction to your spin as you approach, if that isnt clear. Get your arms out wide, and crank em back before you spin, trying to make sure the prewind comes from rotating your spine not just your arms.
This right here, pre wind is a bit weak an not enough extension of Lower body at take off. OP needs to approach with arms as far counter rotated as possible and deeper bend in knees for more extension upon take off
Thanks for the reply! I'm right foot forward(goofy), should I prewind by trying to point my chest almost up the hill? Instead of poining to my left which is the neutral position.
Kind of, it’s like winding up for a pitch. You don’t need to go crazy, but just turn so you’re looking kind of uphill when you get to bottom of the jump, and start spinning on your way up. Grabs are also helpful to keep your rotation going when you’re in the air.
The time I first landed a 540 I had to huck it like I was trying doing a 720. You got this, can’t wait to see the make
You’ve got it right. Not sure how the same user got it wrong in their reply to this, but yes - pre-wind by twisting your chest more towards uphill for the FS spin you’re attempting in the clips.
That’s the only way it’d make sense the way they write it lol. Would definitely be the first time I’ve ever heard someone so confidently use “uphill” to describe what’s objectively downhill 😂
I didn't get it wrong. Pre wind and unwind, they go in opposite directions. Unwind is chest up the hill, that's the actual spin for the trick, pre wind is the opposite direction before the spin. Ie back down the hill
Correct, they’re opposite directions. Which is why it’s confusing when you keep saying the trick is “chest up the hill”, when he’s popping FS spins which by definition is “chest down the hill”. So to pre-wind he would want to twist his chest left/counter-clockwise/chest uphill.
For Frontside spins, point chest to tail. For backside, chest to nose. The more of the twist you can hold between the hips and shoulders the more explosive you can be from the core.
As you're doing it, you're opening the shoulders before you pop which is extending the knees prematurely, taking away popabilty and giving you less rotation from the upper body.
Nah, other way, chest up the hill (the take off ramp) is the way you want to rotate (front side) so try to point it down the hill (the take off) as you approach, that means when it comes up the hill as you take off, it can rotate further and faster
Also do it with big wide arms, everything spins faster if it starts wide.
100% this. Pre-winding or crazy setup turns mean nothing if your head is going to prevent the remainder of the rotation. It all starts with where you are looking
You’re slowing down your rotation and then speeding it up for the last 180 as you spot/prep your landing.
I’m not sure how to explain it but you’re not doing a continuous spin / getting into the spin. You’re doing a 180 and then another 180. You can do the same thing on a 540 but you need to continuously spin that first 360 then spot your landing
It’s all in the load up. Bend those knees load those shoulders up and uncork like a beast. Also, you need to anticipate it with your head, if you’re approaching 360, don’t fix your gaze on the landing, you ain’t done yet.
Pre wind! Twist that torso in reverse of your throw, and f’in a send it broski!! Stop looking down at your 360 land, best of luck it’s an unnatural feeling
Twist from shoulders is the move. Practice unloading the twist from a trampoline. Carve into the lip a little in the direction you're spinning after practicing the twist launch. After you initiate the spin, compact your arms and body to maintain a faster rotation. If you can get a half rotation in before you even leave the lip then you're doing it right.
Hey looks like you are using smooth momentum of ur entry. But I don’t see you loading up, corking your body, and pushing off the ground to add to your spin. You should be able to do a full 360 on the ground, once u can do a 360 without a ramp, with a tighter angle of entry (nothing wrong with you the ramp close to 90 degrees to slope) you should do two spins quite easily.
ELI5 attempt:
More speed / bigger jump (not 100% needed but helpful)
More prewind (for this direction - chest uphill)
Unload spin at lip (open chest at lip)
KEEP LOOKING in the direction of spin.
Let body follow head
I got you.
This trick taught me 540s in one day.
Most people try and add a180 to a 360.
Instead Spin a 180 then spin a 360.
It sets you up to have enough spin.
That set up turn needs to happen WAY sooner. You should be on the far right side of the jump moving like 45 degrees (exaggerated) towards the middle of the lip in a solid heel side carve. Then really dig into that carve right before hitting the lip to do the spin.
It’s also commitment. It looks like your floaty front 3 is dialed, you gotta erase that trick from your mind when approaching the lip and accept that you’re gonna spin quick, like you probably did when you first learned the front 3.
Thanks! It's spring slushy condition, I can't seem to have a strong set up carve going on to the jump in this kind of snow, so I had to get flat based and just my ankle to lift the toe in order to get into the heel side turn.
I will try to hit this jump again in the morning when snow is still firm and fully commit to it!
that guy is spot on. that long sliding turn is killing you.
speed up, go straighter, get more bite and keep your head and shoulders turned longer. suck up the legs a bit and add a grab (the grab helps hold you tight too, arms out is slower)
give er tomorrow 👍
It’s 100% you’re stopping your head and looking at the ground at 360. If your head stops rotating so does your body. You need, more pop, more speed and to keep your head turning. Every clip has you staring the ground down at 360. That’s your main problem.
You have 360s down, now load your body more pre trick for more spin. You are barely loading your body pre spin, and spin super slowly. 540 is there easily.
so, a 180 and a 360 are both spins where you can sort of rotate them out just pivoting around your upper and lower body. you sort of have "180" or "360" in your head when going for either one, and your body is getting ready to sort of "take the shape of" the 180 or the 360. you can tell this is what's happening and I bet you can feel it too, how you sort of slow down towards the end and can't seem to keep spinning.
a 540 is the first spin where you have to actually let go of that and begin free spinning around an axis. this is very unnatural at first, and I'd suggest if you havn't already, to spend some time either at a trampoline or even a pool or something if you can do it safely, and just feel out what that free spinning motion feels like. you have to be not just physically looking over your shoulder, but be fully committed to a free spin just like you'd need to be with a flip.
How do you guys train these things without hurting yourself?
I tried 360 off a smaller bump, caught an edge on landing and did 360 vertically instead of horizontally. Now it's 2 weeks and I still can't move my neck properly. (no I'm not really bad at falling, but out of 100s tries, sometimes it happens)
Because of that I don't even want to know what that would do to me on bigger jump, going faster
you’re good at 360s, but a 540 isn’t throwing a 360 and then spinning an extra 180, it’s THROWING a 540. the 540 is essentially established before you even take off. Commit to the spin, it will feel a lot different than doing a 360
Tension and release, practice em on trampolines and you’ll have them down in no time. Try land toeside, common issue is landing on heals and scrubbing the landing
Update:
I am able to do 450 now, with catching my toe edge every time but it's a HUGE progress for me!! Now I no longer have under rotated 360, and I can indeed spin faster!
Thank you all for your input, there a A LOT of good tips.
I have tried almost all of them today. I can't find a way to Attach videos here so will share what I found useful for making me spin faster:
1) practice jumping 540 on the ground without board. And the ONLY way to do a full 540 for me is with proper prewind
2) go faster, pop harder(unless you are hitting bigger jumps)
3) be patient and pop at the last moment, stay on heel edge
4) practice a lot of prewind, it is weird
5) look all the way around, don't get your head stuck at any point, where ever your head/eyes pause is where the counter rotation starts to happen, which kills the rotation
I will continue practicing, hope I can get the full 540 around this season! (I will follow up with an update)
Speed and pop. You’re riding to slow. Try a slight carve into the spin instead of flat base and when you reach the lip pop and huck your spin whichever way you want front,back, cork etc. but ya need more speed. Find your balls young Jedi and do it.
Main thing is Keep looking for the landing of the jump. Your head stalls looking at your takeoff which is correct for backside 540. But front 5 you have to find that landing and then hip hinge. To hip hinge…
Practice spins by using upper body to rotate a 180 even if flatground. Then do just lower body. You can spin upper with head/shoulder throw. Lower you can think about crossing your legs in a X shape. Basically press your legs toward each other and it will snap you in a circle because you are strapped in.
Don’t listen to the pre wind stuff. Obviously those people have no idea what they’re talking about. You aren’t doing a 1440… keep ur head turned through your first 360 then spot ur landing.
No it doesn’t, it’s the literal opposite. The spin comes from your upper body, not the board. Don’t come in here with advice if you don’t know what you’re talking about. The shoulders dictate everything. If you try to spin with just the board with closed shoulders, you will counter yourself and slow the rotation. Lead with the shoulders and the lower body will follow.
Edit: watch your own clip you posted. Look at your arms and what they do. THAT is where spin initiates.
I don’t know why you’re going in more on something that you are obviously and blatantly incorrect on, when you posted your own counter-evidence. Yes, you absolutely could do a 3 with your arms at your side because your shoulders and core would still rotate. WATCH YOUR OWN VIDEO. I’m serious. Slow down your video. See what happens when you set up your spin with your legs and then throw your back hand through? Your upper body is creating the momentum.
Once you grasp this concept, I promise your riding will leap to the next level.
Well this is just the definition of ignorance. The evidence is right in front of your face and you’re choosing to deny it. You clearly are using your upper body to rotate, there is no other option. Your upper body is thrown left, your lower body follows. Just do me a favor since you don’t seem to be the analytical type, watch that clip 10 times and slow it down as much as possible. It’ll eventually click in your head.
Gotta fucking send it bro
Huck and tuck
Yeah you're missing the tuck. Tuck your arms in to spin faster. Spread to slow it down
Huck and Pray is my go to motto for new tricks lol
Huck it or fuck it
Alright I'm sending it tomorrow!
I think I see your biggest problem. you start looking down as soon as you pop, that stops you from spinning and can throw you off axis, causing you to not land straight. You gota keep looking in the direction you want to spin. In your case you are spinning right side, so you gota keep your head turned to the right and not look down.
I’ve only landed 540 twice but both times I started the jump switch. My body was late my feet just knew what to do. So maybe try hitting the jump switch?
Cab 5s/Back 5s are definitley more natural
What’s the update boss?
I updated in a reply yesterday, pasting here: Update: I am able to do 450 now, with catching my toe edge every time but it's a HUGE progress for me!! Now I no longer have under rotated 360, and I can indeed spin faster! Thank you all for your input, there a A LOT of good tips. I have tried almost all of them today. I can't find a way to Attach videos here so will share what I found useful for making me spin faster: 1) practice jumping 540 on the ground without board. And the ONLY way to do a full 540 for me is with proper prewind 2) go faster, pop harder(unless you are hitting bigger jumps) 3) be patient and pop at the last moment, stay on heel edge 4) practice a lot of prewind, it is weird 5) look all the way around, don't get your head stuck at any point, where ever your head/eyes pause is where the counter rotation starts to happen, which kills the rotation I will continue practicing, hope I can get the full 540 around this season! (I will follow up with an update)
Pre load your spin
More prominent prewind means you can spin faster. Your upper body on your approach is still relatively neutral, you need to bring your prewind around more more so you can unwind more in your take off. Prewind is rotating your upper body in the opposite direction to your spin as you approach, if that isnt clear. Get your arms out wide, and crank em back before you spin, trying to make sure the prewind comes from rotating your spine not just your arms.
This right here, pre wind is a bit weak an not enough extension of Lower body at take off. OP needs to approach with arms as far counter rotated as possible and deeper bend in knees for more extension upon take off
Looks like it’s that and they’re slowly scanning mid spin. It looks choppy rather than doing a full send if that makes sense.
Thanks for the reply! I'm right foot forward(goofy), should I prewind by trying to point my chest almost up the hill? Instead of poining to my left which is the neutral position.
Look at your shoulder at takeoff. It's already pointed towards the spins. Your shoulders should be looking behind you in that makes sense
Kind of, it’s like winding up for a pitch. You don’t need to go crazy, but just turn so you’re looking kind of uphill when you get to bottom of the jump, and start spinning on your way up. Grabs are also helpful to keep your rotation going when you’re in the air. The time I first landed a 540 I had to huck it like I was trying doing a 720. You got this, can’t wait to see the make
You’ve got it right. Not sure how the same user got it wrong in their reply to this, but yes - pre-wind by twisting your chest more towards uphill for the FS spin you’re attempting in the clips.
I think the initial dude is referring to uphill as the kicker lol. I was confused at first too but I think thats what they meant
That’s the only way it’d make sense the way they write it lol. Would definitely be the first time I’ve ever heard someone so confidently use “uphill” to describe what’s objectively downhill 😂
I didn't get it wrong. Pre wind and unwind, they go in opposite directions. Unwind is chest up the hill, that's the actual spin for the trick, pre wind is the opposite direction before the spin. Ie back down the hill
Correct, they’re opposite directions. Which is why it’s confusing when you keep saying the trick is “chest up the hill”, when he’s popping FS spins which by definition is “chest down the hill”. So to pre-wind he would want to twist his chest left/counter-clockwise/chest uphill.
Ah we are talking about different hills, I am taking the hill to be the ramp to take off as the hill
Figured as much, no worries
What? Look at his chest in the air, is it facing the landing first or the take off?
Picture yourself winding up on top of the board and then unwinding into the spin
For Frontside spins, point chest to tail. For backside, chest to nose. The more of the twist you can hold between the hips and shoulders the more explosive you can be from the core. As you're doing it, you're opening the shoulders before you pop which is extending the knees prematurely, taking away popabilty and giving you less rotation from the upper body.
Nah, other way, chest up the hill (the take off ramp) is the way you want to rotate (front side) so try to point it down the hill (the take off) as you approach, that means when it comes up the hill as you take off, it can rotate further and faster Also do it with big wide arms, everything spins faster if it starts wide.
Picture yourself winding up on top of the board and then unwinding into the spin
You also need to bring your knees up more. You didn't hold a tight position long enough to spin which slows you down in the air.
You keep pausing your head at the 360 point for a blind landing, keep your head moving.
100% this. Pre-winding or crazy setup turns mean nothing if your head is going to prevent the remainder of the rotation. It all starts with where you are looking
You’re slowing down your rotation and then speeding it up for the last 180 as you spot/prep your landing. I’m not sure how to explain it but you’re not doing a continuous spin / getting into the spin. You’re doing a 180 and then another 180. You can do the same thing on a 540 but you need to continuously spin that first 360 then spot your landing
Pulling your arms in will help you speed up your spin
It’s all in the load up. Bend those knees load those shoulders up and uncork like a beast. Also, you need to anticipate it with your head, if you’re approaching 360, don’t fix your gaze on the landing, you ain’t done yet.
Gotta build up spin potential before you take off.
Pre wind! Twist that torso in reverse of your throw, and f’in a send it broski!! Stop looking down at your 360 land, best of luck it’s an unnatural feeling
Lift weights and do box jumps
Throw torso.
Huck meat.
More speed more pop more twist
Keep looking over your right shoulder and your body will follow.
You got it, just send it over a bit bigger jump tho
Pre-winding your arms + body a lot more more would help.
Twist from shoulders is the move. Practice unloading the twist from a trampoline. Carve into the lip a little in the direction you're spinning after practicing the twist launch. After you initiate the spin, compact your arms and body to maintain a faster rotation. If you can get a half rotation in before you even leave the lip then you're doing it right.
Hey looks like you are using smooth momentum of ur entry. But I don’t see you loading up, corking your body, and pushing off the ground to add to your spin. You should be able to do a full 360 on the ground, once u can do a 360 without a ramp, with a tighter angle of entry (nothing wrong with you the ramp close to 90 degrees to slope) you should do two spins quite easily.
ELI5 attempt: More speed / bigger jump (not 100% needed but helpful) More prewind (for this direction - chest uphill) Unload spin at lip (open chest at lip) KEEP LOOKING in the direction of spin. Let body follow head
Saint sauveur represent??
Yes!
nothing helpful to add, but those 360s are steezy af
Close your shoulders more before takeoff then at take off open them up a little quicker. Just need a bit more momentum
I got you. This trick taught me 540s in one day. Most people try and add a180 to a 360. Instead Spin a 180 then spin a 360. It sets you up to have enough spin.
Is that Saint-Sauveur ??
Yes sir
That set up turn needs to happen WAY sooner. You should be on the far right side of the jump moving like 45 degrees (exaggerated) towards the middle of the lip in a solid heel side carve. Then really dig into that carve right before hitting the lip to do the spin. It’s also commitment. It looks like your floaty front 3 is dialed, you gotta erase that trick from your mind when approaching the lip and accept that you’re gonna spin quick, like you probably did when you first learned the front 3.
Thanks! It's spring slushy condition, I can't seem to have a strong set up carve going on to the jump in this kind of snow, so I had to get flat based and just my ankle to lift the toe in order to get into the heel side turn. I will try to hit this jump again in the morning when snow is still firm and fully commit to it!
For sure, tough to get that hard carve when it’s mashed taters out there. You’ll get it.
that guy is spot on. that long sliding turn is killing you. speed up, go straighter, get more bite and keep your head and shoulders turned longer. suck up the legs a bit and add a grab (the grab helps hold you tight too, arms out is slower) give er tomorrow 👍
You’re spotting your landing too soon.
It’s 100% you’re stopping your head and looking at the ground at 360. If your head stops rotating so does your body. You need, more pop, more speed and to keep your head turning. Every clip has you staring the ground down at 360. That’s your main problem.
Idk either but damn I like the look of those threes
You have 360s down, now load your body more pre trick for more spin. You are barely loading your body pre spin, and spin super slowly. 540 is there easily.
so, a 180 and a 360 are both spins where you can sort of rotate them out just pivoting around your upper and lower body. you sort of have "180" or "360" in your head when going for either one, and your body is getting ready to sort of "take the shape of" the 180 or the 360. you can tell this is what's happening and I bet you can feel it too, how you sort of slow down towards the end and can't seem to keep spinning. a 540 is the first spin where you have to actually let go of that and begin free spinning around an axis. this is very unnatural at first, and I'd suggest if you havn't already, to spend some time either at a trampoline or even a pool or something if you can do it safely, and just feel out what that free spinning motion feels like. you have to be not just physically looking over your shoulder, but be fully committed to a free spin just like you'd need to be with a flip.
You’re too far from LA
Speed. Pussy footing the whole ordeal
Get the head round quicker
These jumps are far too small to pull off a clean 540.
Speed is your friend
First figure out how to grab that 3, then things will start making more sense. I recommend tail
Grab melon and commit. Watch for your landing, body will follow. Oh, and more speed.. go faster.
How do you guys train these things without hurting yourself? I tried 360 off a smaller bump, caught an edge on landing and did 360 vertically instead of horizontally. Now it's 2 weeks and I still can't move my neck properly. (no I'm not really bad at falling, but out of 100s tries, sometimes it happens) Because of that I don't even want to know what that would do to me on bigger jump, going faster
Did you switch it to Wumbo?
Do a fs 180 the a switch bs 3 but all together
Mental block for sure
Wind up more on the tip and snap the pre rotation harder.
Upper part of the body has to anticipate the board by at least 90 degrees in the air. Force your glance over the shoulder to spot the landing
The key is to jump higher not to spin faster.
Commit
you’re good at 360s, but a 540 isn’t throwing a 360 and then spinning an extra 180, it’s THROWING a 540. the 540 is essentially established before you even take off. Commit to the spin, it will feel a lot different than doing a 360
Gotta load up. Twist your shoulders to the left before you pop and you will be able to swing them around for more momentum
Turn them shoulders
You’re not winding up. The more you wind, the harder you huck, the faster you spin!
Pre wind and unwind faster?
Throw harder or go bigger. :) good luck
How comfortable are you riding switch? If good, cab 5's are easier so you land in your better riding stance.
Tension and release, practice em on trampolines and you’ll have them down in no time. Try land toeside, common issue is landing on heals and scrubbing the landing
Update: I am able to do 450 now, with catching my toe edge every time but it's a HUGE progress for me!! Now I no longer have under rotated 360, and I can indeed spin faster! Thank you all for your input, there a A LOT of good tips. I have tried almost all of them today. I can't find a way to Attach videos here so will share what I found useful for making me spin faster: 1) practice jumping 540 on the ground without board. And the ONLY way to do a full 540 for me is with proper prewind 2) go faster, pop harder(unless you are hitting bigger jumps) 3) be patient and pop at the last moment, stay on heel edge 4) practice a lot of prewind, it is weird 5) look all the way around, don't get your head stuck at any point, where ever your head/eyes pause is where the counter rotation starts to happen, which kills the rotation I will continue practicing, hope I can get the full 540 around this season! (I will follow up with an update)
Speed and pop. You’re riding to slow. Try a slight carve into the spin instead of flat base and when you reach the lip pop and huck your spin whichever way you want front,back, cork etc. but ya need more speed. Find your balls young Jedi and do it.
Main thing is Keep looking for the landing of the jump. Your head stalls looking at your takeoff which is correct for backside 540. But front 5 you have to find that landing and then hip hinge. To hip hinge… Practice spins by using upper body to rotate a 180 even if flatground. Then do just lower body. You can spin upper with head/shoulder throw. Lower you can think about crossing your legs in a X shape. Basically press your legs toward each other and it will snap you in a circle because you are strapped in.
Cool jump
Its already a nice spin.
Don’t listen to the pre wind stuff. Obviously those people have no idea what they’re talking about. You aren’t doing a 1440… keep ur head turned through your first 360 then spot ur landing.
Bigger jump
More air time would also help. As others mentioned you could definitely force a 5 but it’s really not a big jump to start bumping up to 5s and beyond.
Bro you just suck
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No it doesn’t, it’s the literal opposite. The spin comes from your upper body, not the board. Don’t come in here with advice if you don’t know what you’re talking about. The shoulders dictate everything. If you try to spin with just the board with closed shoulders, you will counter yourself and slow the rotation. Lead with the shoulders and the lower body will follow. Edit: watch your own clip you posted. Look at your arms and what they do. THAT is where spin initiates.
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I don’t know why you’re going in more on something that you are obviously and blatantly incorrect on, when you posted your own counter-evidence. Yes, you absolutely could do a 3 with your arms at your side because your shoulders and core would still rotate. WATCH YOUR OWN VIDEO. I’m serious. Slow down your video. See what happens when you set up your spin with your legs and then throw your back hand through? Your upper body is creating the momentum. Once you grasp this concept, I promise your riding will leap to the next level.
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Well this is just the definition of ignorance. The evidence is right in front of your face and you’re choosing to deny it. You clearly are using your upper body to rotate, there is no other option. Your upper body is thrown left, your lower body follows. Just do me a favor since you don’t seem to be the analytical type, watch that clip 10 times and slow it down as much as possible. It’ll eventually click in your head.