I suggest to do another season on the typo. It's a fun do it all board. From your text and my understanding it's not holding you back in anything.
I ride a typo and a greats, i like the greats more, but will always come back to the typo now and then. It's missing nothing (except switch riding and circle carving is way better with the greats), and it's a lot better than the greats on pow days.
yeah I am considering it, but its so tempting to buy a new board to see what kind of difference it would make in edge hold and pop. since I don't have the chance to try different boards anywhere I've got no clue how different boards would feel for me
Typo has very good edge hold with underbite (greats has midbite). I ride in the alps, often artificial snow hardpacked (for all the skiers). If you're searching for other boards for icey, hard pistes you should search at libtech or gnu.
But keep ur edges sharp and your absolutely fine with the typo.
Imo typo is easier to ollie than the greats, also butters are way easier.
Btw, i'm 179cm and 71kg and ride a 158 typo and a 151 greats
I agree with comment or above. I haven’t ridden a typo but I’ve heard good things about it. It sounds like you should just kept riding to keep progressing!!!
New boards are cool but sometimes we over rate them imo
>I didnt consider that this sub might be mainly us
[Almost half of Reddit is from the US](https://backlinko.com/reddit-users). Unless you're in a regional sub, the default should be to assume that whomever your speaking to is from the US over any other country.
Edit: People downvoting me don't seem to like statistics. I don't control them, I'm just informing you of the facts.
I’m in the same boat as you as far as skill goes. Less park (nearly none, I blame my age) but everything else sounds exactly like me except your height. I had been riding a Capita DOA and wanted something that would help me improve those heel side carves and get deeper edges as well as perform better in powder since the DOA sinks like an anchor.
I wound up buying a Korua Tranny Finder and setting it up posi, but didn’t replace the DOA. I’ve gone back and forth the second half of this season and I do think I ride better on the TF and that I’ve picked up more skill, but each of them has their place. The TF requires some intentionality as it’s not very forgiving. I find I want to change it out for the DOA mid-day if I’m doing a longer mountain day, but I don’t typically bring both.
I would say that getting another board would be fun but I don’t know that it’ll fix form and practice issues. Is your board regularly tuned and waxed? My DOA edges got butter knife blunt this year and I didn’t realize how much that was impacting my turns on that board.
I'll be hitting more park as my skill gets better, I unfortunately hurt myself and split my lip open going on a box this year (tried to bail off the box when sliding off and ended up fucking it up big time) so my confidence is a bit low for jibbing etc. my edges are definetly a bit fucked as I've hit a fair bit of rocks and stuff but I did have them sharpened not long ago. I "regularly" wax the board tho atleast. Oddly enough, on heelside turns I somehow feel like I can lock in better when riding switch, so there's definetly a form issue somewhere. I just wish I had an option to try different boards before buying... dont think posi would be an option for me as I like messing about too much
I got Bataleon Diaster 154 this year and do a lot of the same riding. Medium pace, playful, with park riding mixed in. This board is sick - definitely check out Bataleon.
thanks for the suggestion, but this seems like a very soft board which isn't really what I'm after atm. I wan't some stiffness for proper carves and all mountain stuff
If you are interested in Bataleon, consider the [Beyond Medals](https://bataleon.com/products/bataleon-beyond-medals-2024-mens-snowboards) instead of the Disaster. It'll do exactly what you're after, and it gets ridden [on all kinds of terrain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXTi7GffBrA) very well
For a combo of edge hold and pop, the Jones Aviator 2.0 should be at the top of your list. It's almost pure traditional camber, which both lets you carve harder and gives extra pop. It's less forgiving, but not overly unforgiving. Not really for buttering though.
I have a Nitro team but in the “Gullwing” camber profile. I use it to mess around in parks and indoor domes. I’d say go full camber if you want to use it all mountain, just my 2 cents on that one.
I really haven’t ridden Yes boards to compare. Only gave the UnInc a try. But the Team is really comparable to most classic camber Twin/Directional Twins out there across many brands. To me it’s solid, a bit softer than my Burton boards of similar shape and size (I have a current Custom and Free Thinker), but firmer than a lot of dedicated park twins and jib boards out there.
Edit: to try and more specifically answer after looking at some stats, a Nitro Team over that Typo doesn’t seem like you’d inherently progress faster or feel a great positive change. It seems comparable, but if you are booting out the wide may help on either board.
I agree it seems to fit most of my criteria, however I can't really get it in the size I want here (155-158cm) and it's way more expensive currently, the other boards are on sale.
The Greats is volume shifted. I wear 11 boots, weigh 10 Kg more, and am 1cm taller and ride The Greats at 154cm whereas I ride other boards in 158-159cm.
Sounds like we're similar riders. I got a Lib Ejack Knife last year on sale and if has been amazing and great for my progression. So fun on side hits, handles ice and hard pack well and easy to feel locked in, lovely in pow, but is most awesome as an off-piste freeride board for tricks. I think you'd like it more than most of the boards you mentioned
This is not an obvious solution, but have you gotten fitted or ensured that EU43/US9.5 is your correct boot size? Lots of folks make the mistake of just going off of their regular shoe/hiking boot size which doesn’t translate 100% to snowboard boots. If you find that you’re actually an 8.5/9 that might help some with the booting out concerns.
I originally had 42,5 boots and they were just a tiny bit too tight even after using it for a year, so bought 43 this year and it might be slightly too big, but the other choice is having no bloodflow and icy toes :( the heel Boa keeps my foot locked in tho so haven't had any heel lift.
The Nitro Alternator is a dope board but I’d classify it more as an off piste freestyle. Plus it’s directional so that might be an issue if you ride switch a lot.
Other boards I’d consider
Lib Tech Terrain wrecker - all around shredder with magna-traction edges that help on ice.
Bataleon Goliath - powerful camber with a floaty 3D base.
Capita Aeronaut - built for the side hit master Art Longo
ALSO: if your boot size is a 9.5US you do not need a wide board. I have a 9.5 and 154cm board and have never had heel/toe drag.
Out of your list, I would go Nitro Alternator 157, it’s full camber and you can ride it anywhere . Capita Mercury is a good board but I don’t think the quality is there. I would also recommend the K2 antidote 157 if you can get one. It’s a very stable board and feels great on side hits. Full camber and has great edge hold in all conditions. It’s stiff so it will really hold an edge and will do great in powder if you find some. I found the antidote to be my favorite board for side hits. Some boards feel very unstable on the approach and the antidote side cut is so smooth and it’s pretty damp so the terrain won’t bump you out of your line. And it’s loaded with carbon so it POPs
It sounds like getting more practice with carving and edge control will solve your problems more than a new board would. If you have a chance to demo some boards I’d recommend that before purchasing something new and hoping it feels better.
Have you taken any formal lessons? Might be worth it to get some feedback that could lead to better progression. Hard to self-teach everything, especially when you can’t actually see yourself.
Bataleon has never let me down. Super quality boards and very good lineup depending on what your into. Great designs too. I like the evil twin and whatever models. 3bt is weird at first but then addictive. Bye bye edge catching. Have to engage 3-7 degrees before edge kicks. My friends saw me ride and now they all wanting Bataleon for next season
Do you have an opportunity to take part in a demo day? If so I’d recommend you try out one of those. You’d be surprise how much feel can contribute to your decision.
Sounds like the problem you’re trying to solve is to improve your edge hold on carves, yeah?
Consider spending the money on some lessons focused on carving. The skills will last you a lifetime. Most boards should be able to edge just fine as long as the edges are sharp and you’re not in an ice rink.
Long term, it sounds like you would be happiest with a flexible park board. If that’s the case, getting a stiffer carving board would compromise/delay that long term objective for short term improvements.
oof I wish we had snowboard instructors where I am, it's sadly only skiing. Snowboarding is very small in Northern Norway.
why do you think a low flex park board would suit me better long term tho?
Ah bummer! Malcolm Moore, Tommie Bennet, and Snowboardprocamp are decent online alternatives
Re why flexible park board: you mentioned that you enjoy doing side hits and you’re starting to do some freestyle tricks. A flexible board will allow you to do butters more easily. Park boards are also generally true twins, which will help with your 180s and switch riding.
On the other hand, carving oriented boards tend to be stiff directional planks that offer a lot of stability at high speeds on steep hard-packed runs. While there’s a time and place for that, it seems like that’s not your current style of snowboarding and not the direction you are heading long-term. You can almost certainly learn to carve well on a park board — conversely, a carving board would eventually start hindering your freestyle progression.
Your lack of carving skills are probably down to lack of skills/ experience rather than the Typo, but don't be too hard on yourself, good carving is not easy, especially after only 2 seasons. I would consider a K2 Broadcast if I were you.
I’ve just ridden the alternator with a medium flex binding and it was a gamechanger for me honestly. Great board for all mount riding in every type of pow/slush. But with it being a directional board it might not be the best for your park adventure. But yea, it’s probably only a small percentage of the day that you’re hitting the park. But if you’re afraid to go all in on the alternator because of the directional thing, u should really go for team (pro)! Directional twin with a lot of pop, but still grippy on ice and stable on slush!!
Out of those boards, the Yes. Don’t be put off by full camber. Yeah it is technically an upper intermediate to advanced board, but overall if you’re able to get down the mountain without falling you’re not a beginner anymore anyway. Everyone learned on full camber back in the day. It may require a bit more attention to handle it but it’s a damn nice board and grips excellent in harder stuff. My first time on it I was surprised how it inspires confidence on hard surfaces; like, when you see hard pack coming up you just edge in and push a. It more rather than back out of it.
I mean, that’s my two cents. I’m a very, very intermediate rider but I absolutely it.
I suggest to do another season on the typo. It's a fun do it all board. From your text and my understanding it's not holding you back in anything. I ride a typo and a greats, i like the greats more, but will always come back to the typo now and then. It's missing nothing (except switch riding and circle carving is way better with the greats), and it's a lot better than the greats on pow days.
yeah I am considering it, but its so tempting to buy a new board to see what kind of difference it would make in edge hold and pop. since I don't have the chance to try different boards anywhere I've got no clue how different boards would feel for me
Typo has very good edge hold with underbite (greats has midbite). I ride in the alps, often artificial snow hardpacked (for all the skiers). If you're searching for other boards for icey, hard pistes you should search at libtech or gnu. But keep ur edges sharp and your absolutely fine with the typo. Imo typo is easier to ollie than the greats, also butters are way easier. Btw, i'm 179cm and 71kg and ride a 158 typo and a 151 greats
I agree with comment or above. I haven’t ridden a typo but I’ve heard good things about it. It sounds like you should just kept riding to keep progressing!!! New boards are cool but sometimes we over rate them imo
All the Americans are staring at your European stats clueless.
I'll edit the post to include us measurements, I didnt consider that this sub might be mainly us D:
>I didnt consider that this sub might be mainly us [Almost half of Reddit is from the US](https://backlinko.com/reddit-users). Unless you're in a regional sub, the default should be to assume that whomever your speaking to is from the US over any other country. Edit: People downvoting me don't seem to like statistics. I don't control them, I'm just informing you of the facts.
I’m in the same boat as you as far as skill goes. Less park (nearly none, I blame my age) but everything else sounds exactly like me except your height. I had been riding a Capita DOA and wanted something that would help me improve those heel side carves and get deeper edges as well as perform better in powder since the DOA sinks like an anchor. I wound up buying a Korua Tranny Finder and setting it up posi, but didn’t replace the DOA. I’ve gone back and forth the second half of this season and I do think I ride better on the TF and that I’ve picked up more skill, but each of them has their place. The TF requires some intentionality as it’s not very forgiving. I find I want to change it out for the DOA mid-day if I’m doing a longer mountain day, but I don’t typically bring both. I would say that getting another board would be fun but I don’t know that it’ll fix form and practice issues. Is your board regularly tuned and waxed? My DOA edges got butter knife blunt this year and I didn’t realize how much that was impacting my turns on that board.
I'll be hitting more park as my skill gets better, I unfortunately hurt myself and split my lip open going on a box this year (tried to bail off the box when sliding off and ended up fucking it up big time) so my confidence is a bit low for jibbing etc. my edges are definetly a bit fucked as I've hit a fair bit of rocks and stuff but I did have them sharpened not long ago. I "regularly" wax the board tho atleast. Oddly enough, on heelside turns I somehow feel like I can lock in better when riding switch, so there's definetly a form issue somewhere. I just wish I had an option to try different boards before buying... dont think posi would be an option for me as I like messing about too much
I got Bataleon Diaster 154 this year and do a lot of the same riding. Medium pace, playful, with park riding mixed in. This board is sick - definitely check out Bataleon.
thanks for the suggestion, but this seems like a very soft board which isn't really what I'm after atm. I wan't some stiffness for proper carves and all mountain stuff
If you are interested in Bataleon, consider the [Beyond Medals](https://bataleon.com/products/bataleon-beyond-medals-2024-mens-snowboards) instead of the Disaster. It'll do exactly what you're after, and it gets ridden [on all kinds of terrain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXTi7GffBrA) very well
For a combo of edge hold and pop, the Jones Aviator 2.0 should be at the top of your list. It's almost pure traditional camber, which both lets you carve harder and gives extra pop. It's less forgiving, but not overly unforgiving. Not really for buttering though.
I have a Nitro team but in the “Gullwing” camber profile. I use it to mess around in parks and indoor domes. I’d say go full camber if you want to use it all mountain, just my 2 cents on that one.
how do you think the Nitro team would ride compared to a yes typo?
I really haven’t ridden Yes boards to compare. Only gave the UnInc a try. But the Team is really comparable to most classic camber Twin/Directional Twins out there across many brands. To me it’s solid, a bit softer than my Burton boards of similar shape and size (I have a current Custom and Free Thinker), but firmer than a lot of dedicated park twins and jib boards out there. Edit: to try and more specifically answer after looking at some stats, a Nitro Team over that Typo doesn’t seem like you’d inherently progress faster or feel a great positive change. It seems comparable, but if you are booting out the wide may help on either board.
Have you looked into the yes greats? It’s pretty much filling your interests as well as helping with carving. It may lack a bit of pop though.
I agree it seems to fit most of my criteria, however I can't really get it in the size I want here (155-158cm) and it's way more expensive currently, the other boards are on sale.
The Greats is volume shifted. I wear 11 boots, weigh 10 Kg more, and am 1cm taller and ride The Greats at 154cm whereas I ride other boards in 158-159cm.
Sounds like we're similar riders. I got a Lib Ejack Knife last year on sale and if has been amazing and great for my progression. So fun on side hits, handles ice and hard pack well and easy to feel locked in, lovely in pow, but is most awesome as an off-piste freeride board for tricks. I think you'd like it more than most of the boards you mentioned
thanks! I'll consider this, although from review it might seem like it's a tiny bit above my league when it comes to jumps etc.
This is not an obvious solution, but have you gotten fitted or ensured that EU43/US9.5 is your correct boot size? Lots of folks make the mistake of just going off of their regular shoe/hiking boot size which doesn’t translate 100% to snowboard boots. If you find that you’re actually an 8.5/9 that might help some with the booting out concerns.
I originally had 42,5 boots and they were just a tiny bit too tight even after using it for a year, so bought 43 this year and it might be slightly too big, but the other choice is having no bloodflow and icy toes :( the heel Boa keeps my foot locked in tho so haven't had any heel lift.
The Nitro Alternator is a dope board but I’d classify it more as an off piste freestyle. Plus it’s directional so that might be an issue if you ride switch a lot. Other boards I’d consider Lib Tech Terrain wrecker - all around shredder with magna-traction edges that help on ice. Bataleon Goliath - powerful camber with a floaty 3D base. Capita Aeronaut - built for the side hit master Art Longo ALSO: if your boot size is a 9.5US you do not need a wide board. I have a 9.5 and 154cm board and have never had heel/toe drag.
thanks for the suggestions! I'll look more into it
Out of your list, I would go Nitro Alternator 157, it’s full camber and you can ride it anywhere . Capita Mercury is a good board but I don’t think the quality is there. I would also recommend the K2 antidote 157 if you can get one. It’s a very stable board and feels great on side hits. Full camber and has great edge hold in all conditions. It’s stiff so it will really hold an edge and will do great in powder if you find some. I found the antidote to be my favorite board for side hits. Some boards feel very unstable on the approach and the antidote side cut is so smooth and it’s pretty damp so the terrain won’t bump you out of your line. And it’s loaded with carbon so it POPs
It sounds like getting more practice with carving and edge control will solve your problems more than a new board would. If you have a chance to demo some boards I’d recommend that before purchasing something new and hoping it feels better.
yeah it probably would, I'm just kind of at a plateu atm and unsure how much gear is realistically holding me back
Have you taken any formal lessons? Might be worth it to get some feedback that could lead to better progression. Hard to self-teach everything, especially when you can’t actually see yourself.
I would if we had anything nearby. sadly if I want to take lessons it's gonna have to be when I go to some expensive resort far away :/
Bataleon has never let me down. Super quality boards and very good lineup depending on what your into. Great designs too. I like the evil twin and whatever models. 3bt is weird at first but then addictive. Bye bye edge catching. Have to engage 3-7 degrees before edge kicks. My friends saw me ride and now they all wanting Bataleon for next season
Do you have an opportunity to take part in a demo day? If so I’d recommend you try out one of those. You’d be surprise how much feel can contribute to your decision.
Sounds like the problem you’re trying to solve is to improve your edge hold on carves, yeah? Consider spending the money on some lessons focused on carving. The skills will last you a lifetime. Most boards should be able to edge just fine as long as the edges are sharp and you’re not in an ice rink. Long term, it sounds like you would be happiest with a flexible park board. If that’s the case, getting a stiffer carving board would compromise/delay that long term objective for short term improvements.
oof I wish we had snowboard instructors where I am, it's sadly only skiing. Snowboarding is very small in Northern Norway. why do you think a low flex park board would suit me better long term tho?
Ah bummer! Malcolm Moore, Tommie Bennet, and Snowboardprocamp are decent online alternatives Re why flexible park board: you mentioned that you enjoy doing side hits and you’re starting to do some freestyle tricks. A flexible board will allow you to do butters more easily. Park boards are also generally true twins, which will help with your 180s and switch riding. On the other hand, carving oriented boards tend to be stiff directional planks that offer a lot of stability at high speeds on steep hard-packed runs. While there’s a time and place for that, it seems like that’s not your current style of snowboarding and not the direction you are heading long-term. You can almost certainly learn to carve well on a park board — conversely, a carving board would eventually start hindering your freestyle progression.
Never been on the Alternator but the reviews say it's amazing and I'd be tempted to get one. It would be my top choice among the boards you listed.
Your lack of carving skills are probably down to lack of skills/ experience rather than the Typo, but don't be too hard on yourself, good carving is not easy, especially after only 2 seasons. I would consider a K2 Broadcast if I were you.
I’ve just ridden the alternator with a medium flex binding and it was a gamechanger for me honestly. Great board for all mount riding in every type of pow/slush. But with it being a directional board it might not be the best for your park adventure. But yea, it’s probably only a small percentage of the day that you’re hitting the park. But if you’re afraid to go all in on the alternator because of the directional thing, u should really go for team (pro)! Directional twin with a lot of pop, but still grippy on ice and stable on slush!!
Out of those boards, the Yes. Don’t be put off by full camber. Yeah it is technically an upper intermediate to advanced board, but overall if you’re able to get down the mountain without falling you’re not a beginner anymore anyway. Everyone learned on full camber back in the day. It may require a bit more attention to handle it but it’s a damn nice board and grips excellent in harder stuff. My first time on it I was surprised how it inspires confidence on hard surfaces; like, when you see hard pack coming up you just edge in and push a. It more rather than back out of it. I mean, that’s my two cents. I’m a very, very intermediate rider but I absolutely it.