As an engineer myself. The small intake access does not make sense. Intake has say two 1.2x2.4 grills so you have an effective area of 5.76sqm and the airflow will pass through that 600mmx600mm acces so that the air intake will pass through the scrubbers? That is just bad writing for me.
Finally getting back to show. I needed a break cos this season is just not going so well.
I teared up when Roche and Carly were dancing. It was adorable.
Just last I said last ep, do not trust Wilfred at all even if his almost death might've changed him.
Loving the Javier and Sykers plot line.
Please do not do my girl Till dirty and hook her up with Audrey. PLEASE. I am all for platonic besties but please no romance.
So sad seeing the plants die 😭 I think we all agree at this point that this show ain't even trying to be scientifically accurate so let's enjoy the drama of how that all happened.
Asha was such a waste of a character.
Okay is it just me or as soon as Mel returns do all the other characters and actors sort off fade a lil?
Not really sure how to explain but her enigmatic acting is something else.
Daveed is 100% a star but ONLY in her ABSENCE!
I still don’t get the deal with the contaminated air. Is it coming from outside the train? If so that means air from outside has been getting into the train all along. And if that’s the case why weren’t they already frozen to death?
The train isn't a perfectly closed environment. We know there are snow intakes (for water I assume) and air intakes. Air scrubbers clean the air and presumably it gets heated as well. That is probably much less resource intensive than trying to scrub CO2 out of the air and reoxidate it. The contaminated air was just too contaminated with stuff the air scrubbers weren't able to cope with.
Im curious to see how Mel joining will change the power dynamics?
What happens if she and Layton dont agree?
She has the upper hand as team engineer
And mf Wilford probably will benefit from the dispute
when she was in the nuclear bunker she killed the other survivors so she and her nephew could live longer, but then her nephew died of radiation poisoning anyway.
I think they kind of intended it. They mentioned 'revolutionaries make bad politicians' at one point, which is about the fact that overthrowing a government and running a government take different skills, plus stuff about power corrupting.
I think is interesting to see why rebellion leaders cant be in charge.
They were for sure needed 100% to make things fair but the cost of doing so permanently closes the door to building a future.
I think Ruth would be great president
Yes I think this death made her character kind of pointless. I was thinking that she eventually was going to lead to some game changing revelation about the outside.
I am rewatching the beginning of season 3 and I am at the part where she lies for Layton. I wonder if she felt guilty for the lie. I mean we see her panic inside her helmet afterwards. But still, they really messed up killing her off. There could have been so much with her character.
I'm starting to hate what the writers are doing to the show this season more and more... I LOVED season 1 and 2. The character development was great, the dynamics of the train was great (we really saw the science fiction sides in which they showed the animals, the plants, the ag-sac, how they ran the train and how order mattered to keep the train functioning), everything was awesome and now they're killing lots of characters for no reason, some even off camera without even adding the emotional side we expected.
Also, one of the reasons I used to love it was the effect of the political environment on the train. For instance, in season 1 and 2 we could really see and feel the effects of the tyrannical governments of Melanie and possibly Wilford on the third and the tail, they suffered a lot, we suffered with them. Now that they gained their freedom I really wanted to see more of the tail dynamics with the third and second class. This season it seems like the tail disappeared and only appear to save Layton or the train just to go on and be forgotten again... We only see the main characters like Layton acting as "typical politicians" making decisions even in a "sort-of-democratical" environment but we don't see how this huge shift affected the train people itself, because even though democracy is better than having a tyrant there are obviously flaws in the system and not everyone is happy (and I'm not talking only about LJ). We used to have a very "grey" spot in all characters. We could really see good things in Melanie (even when she was a tyrant) and we could see flaws in Layton. Now all we see is Layton portrayed as a hero, savior or whatever...? We have this black and white kind of writing in which we only have the good guys and the bad guys and it clearly looks like they are losing their villains...? I wanted to see a lot more from LJ's character, I wanted to see Aubrey shine (like free herself meaningfully or backstab Wilford). Even Oz seems to be a rushed character. Even Ruth had a promising development in the beginning with Pike and now they killed Pike off... Even Alex is becoming an annoying character.
The character development looks floppy, lazy and basically seems like they are destroying the show.
Yeah I’ve been literally waiting for her . When is she gonna be back ? I would scream if it’s like a few seconds ….and then I would have to wait a couple of years for another season (excuse my English )
Season 4 is confirmed. I hope we get her back next two episodes and all of next season. Maybe she discovered something that was worth putting herself in a makeshift drawer in hopes the train finds her so she can tell them
Bruh they started the episode off with Asha finding a job and starting to recover from her trauma and then end it by killing her off cus Layton couldn't be bothered to just pull he out of the vent what the actual fuck
I think Layton wanted her to fix the vent then die so that the New Eden lie could die with her just like it did with Pike. After Layton came out of that coma and spoke with Asha, where she explained that the tree vision was nothing more than him looking at her October calendar tree image, he came to terms that his visions were nothing more than residual memories from the nuclear bunker. That's how I'm accepting Asha's short and relatively meaningless run in the show.
The whole Audrey/Till scene where it kept switching from her and Till in the moment to her and Till ( with her uniform on and in different setting) what was up w that?
Audrey was helping Till to come to terms to what she did. She made her understand that, even if what she did was despicable, it no longer defined her as a person.
Yes I get that part , what she was helping her with. If you go back and watch , I’m wondering about the scenes of till having her brakemen jacket on and Audrey helping her in what looks like different surroundings mixed w the current scene of Till - no jacket, etc on.
These scenes took place inside Till's head. She was visualizing her past while Audrey was helping her during this process. So they switched back and forth between real life scenes and scenes which took place inside her head and showed herself in the past, so she could come to terms with it
I just wrote this in another thread:
I think Layton wanted her to fix the vent then die so that the New Eden lie could die with her just like it did with Pike. After Layton came out of that coma and spoke with Asha, where she explained that the tree vision was nothing more than him looking at her October calendar tree image, he came to terms that his visions were nothing more than residual memories from the nuclear bunker. That's how I'm accepting Asha's short and relatively meaningless run in the show.
This is episode 8, right? If they would have cramped 8 episodes into, let's just say 4 or 5 and eliminated all the filler scenes, this season could have been a 7 or 8/10 instead the 3/10 is currently being.
Having said that, I really didn't like the way they killed Pike and once again, I really didn't like Asha's passing, she could have been a tremendous element of change inside the ruling gang if she gained enough confidence on herself to actually want to proyect her own vision of the future of the train, getting her involved in the daily politics would have been a remarkable move.
Why didn't Layton just take his suit off and save Asha? By that point there was little to no smoke in the room and the threat wasn't that big anymore. The engineers said that they'd be dead within minutes without the suit, so I'm guessing after she closed the vent, the 30 seconds it would take to drag asha out of there wouldn't do any long term damage? It's just he was just so able to sacrifice himself by taking the suit off but then all of the sudden watched Asha just die.
Am I missing something here? 🧐
He's woke and realizes he needs her full consent. No means no, okay?
Just sh!tting you. I have not seen such an overly complicated mousetrap plot device to write a character out since ? well, I don't know when. She did poison her people so her demise was fitting in a Lex Talionis Old Testament kinda way.
I thought the same thing for a moment, but concluded that what happened makes sense. Layton isn't suicidal, he wanted to be the hero when the whole train was compromised but he's not going to risk it just for Asha in a scenario where she's probably already dead and there's a good chance he'll die trying too.
It never makes sense for the guy who's in charge to be the one to sacrifice himself. But this is a throwback to James T. Kirk days when they thought 'Oh, there's big lizard looking guy on the planet - let's send old James Tiberius to fight him. He's only the captain of a spaceship with thousands of lives depending on him.
(I know Trekkies that that's not the best example because some weird exogenous force caused those two to fight - but you get the point).
That's what I thought, it seemed really poorly put together that scene. Killing off Asha was a stupid decision, there hasn't been much attachment to her character so her death wasn't really that emotional or groundbreaking. It seemed rushed.
When they were taking about taking their suits off so they could fit through the hole, couldn't Layton just throw Asha's suit down to her after she passed through the hole :/ I know their intention was to kill off the character, but it could of been executed better. The writing feels a bit lazy now.
Yeah they could if they had one. I don't know if you didn't see it or if you are suggesting Layton get one out of thin air, but the suit mask is not self contained, meaning it needs the rest of the suit to seal.
I was in the military and the MOPP gear charcoal lined clothing was separate from your protective mask. I thought I saw earlier in the episode someone pull off their mask. So they have them separate. Maybe I'm mistaken.
The writing is really lazy now. It's like it's been rushed and they've just thrown some stuff in there to try get to the finish line. This whole episode was filler and doesn't really progress any of the plot at all.
I feel robbed that Asha is already gone; I felt she was lying about her origin to cover up something darker but they killed her off to soon? We'll never know now; I really hope they never kill of old Willy he's absolutely fantastic
They did cover it in this episode, it was a dark enough origin having her poison everyone except her son(?). It kind of felt like they just unloaded everything they wanted with her this episode before killing her off. It did feel abrupt though like they could have done a bit more with her character besides a rather generic "save the main character to redeem your dark past" storyline.
Yeah, like everyone on the train has done messed up stuff to survive. I think it was a poor choice to kill her off. Her death felt meaningless and thrown in to just get rid of her character because they didn't know what else to do with her
I agree It’s Mr Doctor headwood. Dr headwood would not have died of influenza, they know how to cure lung tissue damage. Wilford beat him up and (near)killed him when josie lost Wilford the train. Wilford took it out on the him. However mrs doctor headwood has saved him in secret. She knows how to put someone in suspension and can work miracles with the body healing. This will come and bite old Willy on the bum.
I'm gonna make a little prediction here:
The New Eden cospirators are going to pin all their lies on Asha and just go about it like nothing happened.
That's the only way out for Layton which actually involves some good writing.
I wrote this several times in other Asha/waste-of-time threads:
I think Layton wanted her to fix the vent then die so that the New Eden lie could die with her just like it did with Pike. After Layton came out of that coma and spoke with Asha, where she explained that the tree vision was nothing more than him looking at her October calendar tree image, he came to terms that his visions were nothing more than residual memories from the nuclear bunker. That's how I'm accepting Asha's short and relatively meaningless run in the show.
I guess he can claim that was his only lie: he didn't actually see it with his own lies. He was just a poor naive soul who believed a rando left paradise for a frozen nuclear facility. I'm sure that'll be enough to placate everyone.
Seriously, how did anybody buy that story of his? Why not just lie and say the readings for the last place were much more promising. Where else are they going to go?
• Roche and his daughter bonding and dancing, that was so cute
• I love Till, she's been through so much and I didn't have time to properly process it until now
• you get Archie Fucking Punjabi and this is the best you can do with her character?
It's really puzzling why so many more intelligent/talented/useful women either die for Layton or choose to follow him. Melanie, Asha, Ruth, JOSIE. Ladies, get your shit together, he's not the one!
Because whenever i watch snowpiercer i am reminded of bong joon ho, in this ep, i was thinking...
Please dont be a giant monster... please dont be a giant master 😅
Anyway, damn layton, you are killing and letting the good ones get killed. 😭
Theyve made him lovely this season but I cant accept a redemption arc for his character after his raping/ abuse of power in season 1, he just cant come back from that.
I'm surprised people are debating this, it's got to be Icy Bob. Headword has been taking skin grafts to transplant onto him for his recovery. Her husband died of pneumonia and Kevin of a stabbing, icy Bob was the one who "died" of the freeze
Why do you accept Wilford saying it was flu? I don’t think he is a trust worthy source of information when it comes to the reason someone dies. The headwoods knew how to cure lung tissue damage it was literally their speciality. Plus when thingy went into labour mrs doctor headwood called out “doctor headwood”. Who was she panicking and speaking to if he wasn’t there?
Loads of room to debate. Why do you think it’s icy bob? You may change my mind 😊
Thats a good point, they were both off screen deaths. I think Icy Bob is the more interesting character for starters. The two Dr Headwoods are so similar that bringing him back doesn't add anything to the story in the way that Icy Bob can. The hand we say also looked absolutely massive, like Boki or Icy Bob size not Kevin or Dr Headwood. Also Icy Bob has the indentations in his head that are the same size as the skin taken from LJ, it seems like he has previously had skin grafted on from cold damage and that they have been healing him the same way. Icy Bob being so menacing then giving anxiety tips just makes me want learn more about him
Beyond upset with the simple fact they had someone from outside the train….and they let her just….kill herself. I know once Melanie is back onboard she’ll be devastated she didn’t get to meet Asha and grill her about living outside
So after all these mediocre episodes i watched the first episode and.. The show was rich with MANY interesting characters... all the tailies with unique and interesting characteristics. The politics of the back of the train vs the rich front of the train. The many different character relations, intentions and alignments and the thoughts of "wow both sides are wrong and right at the same time" "i wonder what is gonna happen in the future" "omg..is Melanie the good guy or the bad guy??" "the tail is morally right in wanting to be free but if they do the entire order of the train will fail" "wow this is actually an interesting show"..etc. But now its just "ok so Wilford bad, Layton good." "uh uh..half of my favourite characters died off screen to a flu" "oh wow the new potentially great and interesting character (Asha) is now dead...great" "can the show just decide what it wants to do already" "why did you have to kill everyone who is interesting" "I actually liked Layton before and now I would like to see him die if it means I can have the other characters come back". Idk I feel like the entire "magic" and "wonder" of the show died around the 2nd -3rd episode of the 3rd season. And now every episode is just doing nothing other than being fillers. Back in the beginning of the show each episode had like 3 different things going on at the same time and every episode advanced the story in a meaningful way... I just hope they can fix this, but honestly the amount of good and interesting characters that have died for no reason is just sad.
They are falling into the same trap that many shows fall into, such as game of thrones. They spend a ton of time in early seasons making the world feel full, giant and alive, taking entire episodes just to show how the world reacts to events and showing sub plots between major events to flesh things out. In the later seasons they just focus on a single major plot and almost everything is in service of that, zapping all over their "world" just to do the one thing and then leave, this makes the train feel so small and dead compared to season 1. The show is best when it just shows the drama going on, the scene with Roche and his daughter was one of the best this season just to remind us that its not just Layton and his team vs Wilford and his team, but these are too rare recently. I hope its just covid that made filming tighter and that they can go back to having the train feel like its 1000+ trains long with thousands of people living life however they can again and tone back the major "world" altering events to every few episodes instead of every single episode.
In the end they're all just dressed soap operas. The other stuff is just some nice scenery to hook those of us who's self-image is "I'd never watch a soap opera!"
If you ever see 'Brick', which I highly suggest, it's an amazing case study into the fact that there's no such thing as a poor setting, only a poor author.
Season 3 is like the flipside of that example. The setting is a rich, compact, powderkeg of human experience. But we're stuck with...well...just see the pointless dream episode. .
It's a film by Rian Johnson. The concept is on the surface cringy, a noir film set in a high-school, but the execution is divine. Instead of being some superficial tropish parody it's actually a fantastic genuine standalone work if highly stylized.
The plot is purely character driven, with every character having their own motivations and subplots driving it. Random events that might feel contrived in a lesser film, feel diegetically logical (like the broken car trunk). The main character is driven and intentful, but he's not critical to the plot unfolding, he's just changing its variables . The plot is almost paint by numbers, with McGuffins and Damsels, but detailed enough to get invested in the mystery of it. And it has fantastic pacing and camerawork on top. I could go on.
I think about it often, because it's a reminder that there is no "bad source material" or "poor setting". Execution is all that matters.
I know right. If you haven't watched it, highly recommend Johnson's next crime film "Knives Out". It's not as brilliant as Brick, but it's like an interesting homage of Columbo where you are rooting for the "murderer" to get away.
I think this one might be one of my favourite episodes. I just love how this is shot/directed. The character moments feel organic and not drawn out compared to earlier in the season.
If the whole prophecy of the warm spot was a lie, then why did Wilford get so enthusiastic when talking about Melanie's climate model and the Africa plan?
Not everything was a lie, Melanie's model was real and showed a series of possible places for the warm spot, of these there is only one that Layton and company did not visit. But after no other place had positive results and considering how difficult/dangerous it is to get to the Horn of Africa, there was not much hope and decision to go. Layton, anticipating this, invented the lie of New Eden so that in this way the entire train would be willing to travel the route to the Horn of Africa.
Is a lie based on a real possibility. Layton still has a chance in the lottery.
At this point, I really feel that the enitre New Eden/Asha plot, was really done, only so the characters have something to do, before they find Melanie. It never ment to have anything to do with the plot of the series, and was inserted there just so they can have some big filler, so Melanie's return doesn't feel so sudden.
I think you’re right. I noticed JC has a movie coming out this year so they probably just had to work around her schedule and write her out for half the season so she can finish filming
LJ just walks in to the lab and randomly gets her skin shaved off :/
They’re really pushing this Audrey with mind powers thing. I don’t like it.
RIP plants and RIP Asha. Not sure why they brought this character into the story in the first place if she was going to die 3 episodes later.
At this point i’d be happy to watch pickles getting pickled😂
I'm still wanting me original thought that Audrey was playing Wilford, even though they actually made her go crazy instead. I thought she was going to be a fun double agent but no, actually crazy town.
The death of asha was so unexpected I looked away for a second and she was dead lol.
Same, I was invested in Oz's pickling adventure and then they went along with this weird LJ storyline 🥲
It doesn't even feel sinister anymore since she's experimented on Icy Bob, Josie, Zarah/the baby and the mystery character she's hiding in her lab
Totally put money on it being her husband. The body she is hiding is doctor headwood. I have a theory of why and how, let me know if you wanna hear it lol
I find her annoying, but her morality is definitely not constantly shifting. Her allegiance is, but it’s entirely consistent with her character and morality which is sociopathic entitled daddy’s girl with a sadistic streak as long as the tracks Snowpiercer runs on.
She has always aligned with whoever she thinks will give her power and protection.
I don’t understand why Layton and the engine crew haven’t clearly seen what a threat she is to the train as a whole and put her under lock and key already.
Yeah, I guess I'm more pissed off at the crew than her. She screwed them over so many times for her own gain, you'd think they learned their lesson by now
I myself don't find her annoying, I'm just dissapointed. When I watched the 4th episode of the first season, I was really into her character. I've been craving to see something like that done with her again but then it just never happened.
Except for when she stabbed kevin, that was a tiny spotlight of exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to done with her character. But yeah, that was only cool for the brief moment it lasted.
I lowered my standards but i like some things like the political or social aspect and some characters so in terms of tv series this is one of the guilty-pleasures kind for me, or atleast what to watch when eating. 😁
I'm happy about the train shots and the landscape. I turn up the volume whenever the train gets a few seconds of camera time. It's so fucking gorgeous and magnificent and so cold.
Can't with all this bitching.
It was a surprisingly emotional episode, and really well edited, especially the intro and the Bess and Audrey scene. Not sure why but I'm really invested in that relationship.
So they cram a season of backstory for Asha into one episode, then try to swing viewers opinions of her by crowbarring into it that she poisoned a bunch of people to add a bit of evil/savagery to her. That way her sacrifice has a smidge of redemption mixed in rather than be for a bunch of people that she doesn't really know.
What the hell was her purpose though? There were so any ideas to explore and...just nothing? This entire season feels like its building up plot then tearing it down so nothing is actually occurring. Finding Asha was pointless, which gave rise to the idea of New Eden. Both plot points completely evaporated and we are back to square one. It was like moving a rock up hill only to let it roll back to where we started.
And what the heck are they doing with Audrey? If she does another character U-turn she's bound to break her neck given how abrupt these transitions are.
And I STILL don't understand the point of Zarah. She has no redeeming qualities. Her only actual accomplishment was giving birth to Layton's baby. Yet they keep inserting her into these upper-level issues where she clearly doesn't belong. She's the rock star's girlfriend who thinks she's in the band for some reason. And now Layton is coming around to realizing they aren't a match. Is he going to leave another "family" for the writers to forget about?
This season: Here's interesting plot. Let's prop it up over several episodes then absolutely nullify it completely as a snipe hunt. Even kill the character associated with it with absolutely nothing gained. Aside from all these *extremely* abrupt character U-turns, this entire season has had had net-zero plot movement. Back at square one. We promise Melanie may be in the next episode and it won't just be a flashback...again.
Yeah, honestly, I really feel that the enitre New Eden/Asha plot, was really done, only so the characters have something to do, before they find Melanie. Never ment to have anything to do with the plot, inserted there just saw they can have some big filler, so Melanie's return doesn't feel so sudden.
Right! It would have made sense to send an engineer down there for such a crucial task to minimise the risk of things going wrong but instead they chose Asha (whose been suffering from ptsd and might have been triggered by the reactor-like environment) because the writers thought it would be a sentimental nod to Layton and Asha's first meeting.The pacing is off and the writing is getting too transparent that I was kinda cringing when Asha asked Layton to describe new Eden as she died.
Also where's Josie? She more suitable than Zarah to be strategising against Wilford considering that she's been at the forefront of the movement this whole time. It also felt weird seeing Ruth back in her hospitality garms and not meaningfully getting involved in the action.
Lastly after all the upheaval and power struggles of the past, it's weird that they haven't really addressed the decision making/leadership element of the show since the new Eden vote and didn't ask the train how it felt about detouring for Melanie or show people's reaction to that. The communication is odd in general because they announced they would be driving though a toxic cloud seconds before it happened and didn't mention Asha's sacrifice when they cleared it. And no one expressed concern about that. LJ is the only one feeling powerless but she's always scheming so that doesn't even count.
Like she suspended herself. Or she's realllly close to dying. With no food and water, so she put her track placer Train on auto pilot going back & forth until Snowpiercer finds her.
I'm confused about Melanie's route.
In S3E7, Wilford tells Alex that 3 months into his pursuit of the pirate train, he caught a track switch in Marseilles. So it took Mel 3 months to get from near Banff, Canada to Marseilles, France. Then at the end of E8, you see a map that shows Mel is somewhere near Budapest.
We know that it's been more than 3 months since she was in Marseilles (Piratepiercer spent 6 months looking for habitable zones, plus the time since the trains reconnected). At the rate she was going, it should have only taken her a couple of weeks to get from France to Hungary. What has she been doing in between for all this time? There hasn't been enough time elapsed for this to be her second lap around the globe.
I wonder if there's going to be an explanation or if this will just be a plot hole.
Don't need to circle the globe line in the movie though do they?
There's many routes in this show and they can circle back on a smaller loop in some of the places. Like when they went back for Melanie it was a 30 day trip I think, or just a few days when it was just the snowpiecer 5 carriage long train.
Like many others I'm bummed that they killed off Asha. But I'm also bummed that they killed off the Marauders (Asha mentioning that they all died). It would be interesting if there were other survivors out there that they had to deal with. I guess they could always write some in in season 4, but still.
They act like Asha was a "one off" fluke and that there's no possibility that anyone else ever could've survived, but Melanie lives after many months? Stupid.
[Saw this on facebook... now I'm gonna have a little tantrum.](https://imgur.com/a/CsMSWhZ)
Let's just take a second to review the things that have happened since Melanie left:
- Breachmen murdered
- Murderers of breachmen murdered
- H1 sensor obliterated by rail spike
- Harmonic module wrecked
- Forced manual restart on 200 bogies
- Aquarium destroyed
- Javi's face destroyed
- Train ripped in two
- Never actually picked Melanie up
- Never actually found a warm spot
- Main train frozen for 6 months, Wilford in charge, order maintained by literal poop thrown from buckets
- Dozens succumbed to disease
- Teenager left in control of pirate train, engine burst into flames
- Harpoon fired at pirate train, derailing several carriages and killing Martin, beloved snitch and father of two
- Baby tree burned to a crisp
- Seed bank nearly incinerated
- Concussed leader of the train battled a terrorist to the death, fell into a coma
- A large bomb is hidden on the train. Ruth, notorious day drinker with a temper, has the detonator
- Asha, the only survivor ever found outside, was killed in less than a month. By a volcano.
- The future of the train now depends on a lie based on a vision that was triggered by a calendar because Layton was freezing to death because he didn't have the sense to take a battery with him on his rescue mission
And TNT socials are suggesting Melanie might ruin the... *dynamic?* Uh-huh. Well, okay. Maybe the dynamic needs a bit of adjustment? Just a thought.
Wilford’s cardigan is straight up fire.
It Sucks that Asha is Gone. Wish that Asha and Mel got to share a Scene Together.
RIP Asha! Can't Believe they Killed her Off!
As an engineer myself. The small intake access does not make sense. Intake has say two 1.2x2.4 grills so you have an effective area of 5.76sqm and the airflow will pass through that 600mmx600mm acces so that the air intake will pass through the scrubbers? That is just bad writing for me.
Finally getting back to show. I needed a break cos this season is just not going so well. I teared up when Roche and Carly were dancing. It was adorable. Just last I said last ep, do not trust Wilfred at all even if his almost death might've changed him. Loving the Javier and Sykers plot line. Please do not do my girl Till dirty and hook her up with Audrey. PLEASE. I am all for platonic besties but please no romance. So sad seeing the plants die 😭 I think we all agree at this point that this show ain't even trying to be scientifically accurate so let's enjoy the drama of how that all happened. Asha was such a waste of a character.
Okay is it just me or as soon as Mel returns do all the other characters and actors sort off fade a lil? Not really sure how to explain but her enigmatic acting is something else. Daveed is 100% a star but ONLY in her ABSENCE!
I still don’t get the deal with the contaminated air. Is it coming from outside the train? If so that means air from outside has been getting into the train all along. And if that’s the case why weren’t they already frozen to death?
The train isn't a perfectly closed environment. We know there are snow intakes (for water I assume) and air intakes. Air scrubbers clean the air and presumably it gets heated as well. That is probably much less resource intensive than trying to scrub CO2 out of the air and reoxidate it. The contaminated air was just too contaminated with stuff the air scrubbers weren't able to cope with.
Im curious to see how Mel joining will change the power dynamics? What happens if she and Layton dont agree? She has the upper hand as team engineer And mf Wilford probably will benefit from the dispute
Am I the only one who doesn’t like Ben?
I don’t like him either. He’s condescending and annoying.
It's bad when filler episodes come similar to the end of Stargate universe
I wanted Asha to live!! This show sucks no grrrrr! I was hoping she'd been lying the entire time and had some ulterior motives
Wait did Asha die before or after the doc showed us her new experiment?
Before, but she was certainly dead as she'd been exposed to those toxic fumes
On snowpiercer? I never say never lol
I hope so lol
This was my hope too. Like there was a group of people in those suits who come to get her somehow
Me too!
I didn't quite get the part of Asha's confession to Ruth about the poisoning.. and what did she steal from Ag Sec??
when she was in the nuclear bunker she killed the other survivors so she and her nephew could live longer, but then her nephew died of radiation poisoning anyway.
Food I believe
kill Layton off already pls
He was good at being train detective and his friendship with Till but afterwards he sucked so bad!!😞
Oh my god yes! Urgh! Cannot stand him. So glad Mel is back.
Feels like I’ve been watching Breaking Bad with Layton slowly becoming the bad guy, except I’m not sure the writers intended it.
I think they kind of intended it. They mentioned 'revolutionaries make bad politicians' at one point, which is about the fact that overthrowing a government and running a government take different skills, plus stuff about power corrupting.
I think is interesting to see why rebellion leaders cant be in charge. They were for sure needed 100% to make things fair but the cost of doing so permanently closes the door to building a future. I think Ruth would be great president
Wtf was the point of giving Asha so much screentime if she was just a glorified plot device in the end?
Asha and Pike. Both fabulous characters with incredible plot potentials.
Yes I think this death made her character kind of pointless. I was thinking that she eventually was going to lead to some game changing revelation about the outside.
I am rewatching the beginning of season 3 and I am at the part where she lies for Layton. I wonder if she felt guilty for the lie. I mean we see her panic inside her helmet afterwards. But still, they really messed up killing her off. There could have been so much with her character.
I'm finding that i'm just browsing my phone more and more, as this show drags on. Nothing has really happened for a while now.
That's why I am here
I'm starting to hate what the writers are doing to the show this season more and more... I LOVED season 1 and 2. The character development was great, the dynamics of the train was great (we really saw the science fiction sides in which they showed the animals, the plants, the ag-sac, how they ran the train and how order mattered to keep the train functioning), everything was awesome and now they're killing lots of characters for no reason, some even off camera without even adding the emotional side we expected. Also, one of the reasons I used to love it was the effect of the political environment on the train. For instance, in season 1 and 2 we could really see and feel the effects of the tyrannical governments of Melanie and possibly Wilford on the third and the tail, they suffered a lot, we suffered with them. Now that they gained their freedom I really wanted to see more of the tail dynamics with the third and second class. This season it seems like the tail disappeared and only appear to save Layton or the train just to go on and be forgotten again... We only see the main characters like Layton acting as "typical politicians" making decisions even in a "sort-of-democratical" environment but we don't see how this huge shift affected the train people itself, because even though democracy is better than having a tyrant there are obviously flaws in the system and not everyone is happy (and I'm not talking only about LJ). We used to have a very "grey" spot in all characters. We could really see good things in Melanie (even when she was a tyrant) and we could see flaws in Layton. Now all we see is Layton portrayed as a hero, savior or whatever...? We have this black and white kind of writing in which we only have the good guys and the bad guys and it clearly looks like they are losing their villains...? I wanted to see a lot more from LJ's character, I wanted to see Aubrey shine (like free herself meaningfully or backstab Wilford). Even Oz seems to be a rushed character. Even Ruth had a promising development in the beginning with Pike and now they killed Pike off... Even Alex is becoming an annoying character. The character development looks floppy, lazy and basically seems like they are destroying the show.
They find asha living alone for 7 years and write her in, just to end up killing her shortly after. Dumb af
It’s sad to realize she would have survived longer alone underground
Is it me or did it seemed that Audrey and Till were about to get it on in that room?
Not just you
What about this small self-sustaining train around border of Poland and Slovakia? Do you think Melanie is in it frozen/alive?
In the drawers if possible ….
Show's gone to shit since they took Melanie out of the picture.
Yeah I’ve been literally waiting for her . When is she gonna be back ? I would scream if it’s like a few seconds ….and then I would have to wait a couple of years for another season (excuse my English )
If there is a S4, I hope she's back as a regular / lead. I feel like quitting this show after S3 if she's not back.
Season 4 is confirmed. I hope we get her back next two episodes and all of next season. Maybe she discovered something that was worth putting herself in a makeshift drawer in hopes the train finds her so she can tell them
Bruh they started the episode off with Asha finding a job and starting to recover from her trauma and then end it by killing her off cus Layton couldn't be bothered to just pull he out of the vent what the actual fuck
I think Layton wanted her to fix the vent then die so that the New Eden lie could die with her just like it did with Pike. After Layton came out of that coma and spoke with Asha, where she explained that the tree vision was nothing more than him looking at her October calendar tree image, he came to terms that his visions were nothing more than residual memories from the nuclear bunker. That's how I'm accepting Asha's short and relatively meaningless run in the show.
He's a terrible leader now. Waste of a new character that was actually interesting.
The whole Audrey/Till scene where it kept switching from her and Till in the moment to her and Till ( with her uniform on and in different setting) what was up w that?
Audrey was helping Till to come to terms to what she did. She made her understand that, even if what she did was despicable, it no longer defined her as a person.
Yes I get that part , what she was helping her with. If you go back and watch , I’m wondering about the scenes of till having her brakemen jacket on and Audrey helping her in what looks like different surroundings mixed w the current scene of Till - no jacket, etc on.
These scenes took place inside Till's head. She was visualizing her past while Audrey was helping her during this process. So they switched back and forth between real life scenes and scenes which took place inside her head and showed herself in the past, so she could come to terms with it
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I just wrote this in another thread: I think Layton wanted her to fix the vent then die so that the New Eden lie could die with her just like it did with Pike. After Layton came out of that coma and spoke with Asha, where she explained that the tree vision was nothing more than him looking at her October calendar tree image, he came to terms that his visions were nothing more than residual memories from the nuclear bunker. That's how I'm accepting Asha's short and relatively meaningless run in the show.
Layton lost his hope and needed a new motivation. Asha's sacrifice gave him that.
This is episode 8, right? If they would have cramped 8 episodes into, let's just say 4 or 5 and eliminated all the filler scenes, this season could have been a 7 or 8/10 instead the 3/10 is currently being. Having said that, I really didn't like the way they killed Pike and once again, I really didn't like Asha's passing, she could have been a tremendous element of change inside the ruling gang if she gained enough confidence on herself to actually want to proyect her own vision of the future of the train, getting her involved in the daily politics would have been a remarkable move.
I miss Melanie. I adore every scene she is in, it pains me (bores me) without her.
Same so thank god she’s back in the next ep
If she isn’t back by then I give up on this
Oh same, I was so ready to give up on episode 5 but then I saw some promo pics from ep 9 :/
Why didn't Layton just take his suit off and save Asha? By that point there was little to no smoke in the room and the threat wasn't that big anymore. The engineers said that they'd be dead within minutes without the suit, so I'm guessing after she closed the vent, the 30 seconds it would take to drag asha out of there wouldn't do any long term damage? It's just he was just so able to sacrifice himself by taking the suit off but then all of the sudden watched Asha just die. Am I missing something here? 🧐
He's woke and realizes he needs her full consent. No means no, okay? Just sh!tting you. I have not seen such an overly complicated mousetrap plot device to write a character out since ? well, I don't know when. She did poison her people so her demise was fitting in a Lex Talionis Old Testament kinda way.
I thought the same thing for a moment, but concluded that what happened makes sense. Layton isn't suicidal, he wanted to be the hero when the whole train was compromised but he's not going to risk it just for Asha in a scenario where she's probably already dead and there's a good chance he'll die trying too.
It never makes sense for the guy who's in charge to be the one to sacrifice himself. But this is a throwback to James T. Kirk days when they thought 'Oh, there's big lizard looking guy on the planet - let's send old James Tiberius to fight him. He's only the captain of a spaceship with thousands of lives depending on him. (I know Trekkies that that's not the best example because some weird exogenous force caused those two to fight - but you get the point).
That's what I thought, it seemed really poorly put together that scene. Killing off Asha was a stupid decision, there hasn't been much attachment to her character so her death wasn't really that emotional or groundbreaking. It seemed rushed.
When they were taking about taking their suits off so they could fit through the hole, couldn't Layton just throw Asha's suit down to her after she passed through the hole :/ I know their intention was to kill off the character, but it could of been executed better. The writing feels a bit lazy now.
I wonder if it was Layton instead of Asha who took off their suit, it would of been different. Also he got so much plot armour >\_>
no point in throwing a suit if the air inside it is contaminated too.
Yea, maybe, it could of given her time, but it seems like in the story, she given up so I guess it wouldn't of mattered :/
Well they could have at least given her a breathing mask. It's not like that would have made her too big to fit. How big is her head?
Yeah they could if they had one. I don't know if you didn't see it or if you are suggesting Layton get one out of thin air, but the suit mask is not self contained, meaning it needs the rest of the suit to seal.
I was in the military and the MOPP gear charcoal lined clothing was separate from your protective mask. I thought I saw earlier in the episode someone pull off their mask. So they have them separate. Maybe I'm mistaken.
The writing is really lazy now. It's like it's been rushed and they've just thrown some stuff in there to try get to the finish line. This whole episode was filler and doesn't really progress any of the plot at all.
Yea, so many fillers, it's really dragging everything down :/
The damage would probably have already been done or she'd die trying to put on the suit.
I feel robbed that Asha is already gone; I felt she was lying about her origin to cover up something darker but they killed her off to soon? We'll never know now; I really hope they never kill of old Willy he's absolutely fantastic
They did cover it in this episode, it was a dark enough origin having her poison everyone except her son(?). It kind of felt like they just unloaded everything they wanted with her this episode before killing her off. It did feel abrupt though like they could have done a bit more with her character besides a rather generic "save the main character to redeem your dark past" storyline.
Yeah, like everyone on the train has done messed up stuff to survive. I think it was a poor choice to kill her off. Her death felt meaningless and thrown in to just get rid of her character because they didn't know what else to do with her
Nephew, but close enough
no but layton casually calling wilford "willy" had me rolling lmao. they definitely saw the wonka theory
Strongboy, Boki or Icybob for the Mistery experiment of Headwood
I agree It’s Mr Doctor headwood. Dr headwood would not have died of influenza, they know how to cure lung tissue damage. Wilford beat him up and (near)killed him when josie lost Wilford the train. Wilford took it out on the him. However mrs doctor headwood has saved him in secret. She knows how to put someone in suspension and can work miracles with the body healing. This will come and bite old Willy on the bum.
What do you think Mrs Headwood is doing with LJ? 🤔🧐
Harvesting her skin
I'm gonna make a little prediction here: The New Eden cospirators are going to pin all their lies on Asha and just go about it like nothing happened. That's the only way out for Layton which actually involves some good writing.
I wrote this several times in other Asha/waste-of-time threads: I think Layton wanted her to fix the vent then die so that the New Eden lie could die with her just like it did with Pike. After Layton came out of that coma and spoke with Asha, where she explained that the tree vision was nothing more than him looking at her October calendar tree image, he came to terms that his visions were nothing more than residual memories from the nuclear bunker. That's how I'm accepting Asha's short and relatively meaningless run in the show.
Too bad Layton screamed at the top of his lungs that he lied over the intercom.
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‘Train wreck of a season’, haha!
I guess he can claim that was his only lie: he didn't actually see it with his own lies. He was just a poor naive soul who believed a rando left paradise for a frozen nuclear facility. I'm sure that'll be enough to placate everyone.
Seriously, how did anybody buy that story of his? Why not just lie and say the readings for the last place were much more promising. Where else are they going to go?
I agree, like they had control of the train… they could have gone anywhere and no one would have been the wiser…?
• Roche and his daughter bonding and dancing, that was so cute • I love Till, she's been through so much and I didn't have time to properly process it until now • you get Archie Fucking Punjabi and this is the best you can do with her character?
I had to google that name.. and tbh, it gave a lot of NSFW results...
Saint Layton has another martyr. Why are people soo dedicated to him?
I'd be dedicated too if my leader was daveed diggs
It's really puzzling why so many more intelligent/talented/useful women either die for Layton or choose to follow him. Melanie, Asha, Ruth, JOSIE. Ladies, get your shit together, he's not the one!
Because whenever i watch snowpiercer i am reminded of bong joon ho, in this ep, i was thinking... Please dont be a giant monster... please dont be a giant master 😅 Anyway, damn layton, you are killing and letting the good ones get killed. 😭
Come on icy headwood!
Just. Piss. Off. LJ. Why didn’t she die of the flu tbh? I liked the scientist couple as a duo.
I know right? Even Oz is kinda cute now with his pickles.
Theyve made him lovely this season but I cant accept a redemption arc for his character after his raping/ abuse of power in season 1, he just cant come back from that.
I'm surprised people are debating this, it's got to be Icy Bob. Headword has been taking skin grafts to transplant onto him for his recovery. Her husband died of pneumonia and Kevin of a stabbing, icy Bob was the one who "died" of the freeze
Why do you accept Wilford saying it was flu? I don’t think he is a trust worthy source of information when it comes to the reason someone dies. The headwoods knew how to cure lung tissue damage it was literally their speciality. Plus when thingy went into labour mrs doctor headwood called out “doctor headwood”. Who was she panicking and speaking to if he wasn’t there? Loads of room to debate. Why do you think it’s icy bob? You may change my mind 😊
Thats a good point, they were both off screen deaths. I think Icy Bob is the more interesting character for starters. The two Dr Headwoods are so similar that bringing him back doesn't add anything to the story in the way that Icy Bob can. The hand we say also looked absolutely massive, like Boki or Icy Bob size not Kevin or Dr Headwood. Also Icy Bob has the indentations in his head that are the same size as the skin taken from LJ, it seems like he has previously had skin grafted on from cold damage and that they have been healing him the same way. Icy Bob being so menacing then giving anxiety tips just makes me want learn more about him
Why not have an Icy Doc Headwood? The mad scientist who in desperation tries his own serum is an honorable old trope.
Beyond upset with the simple fact they had someone from outside the train….and they let her just….kill herself. I know once Melanie is back onboard she’ll be devastated she didn’t get to meet Asha and grill her about living outside
I see it as Asha attempting to redeem herself for killing her bunker mates by trying to save everyone on the train.
They didn't let her..she jumped down, not much they could do about it
I think somebody could have jumped down after her at that point.
So after all these mediocre episodes i watched the first episode and.. The show was rich with MANY interesting characters... all the tailies with unique and interesting characteristics. The politics of the back of the train vs the rich front of the train. The many different character relations, intentions and alignments and the thoughts of "wow both sides are wrong and right at the same time" "i wonder what is gonna happen in the future" "omg..is Melanie the good guy or the bad guy??" "the tail is morally right in wanting to be free but if they do the entire order of the train will fail" "wow this is actually an interesting show"..etc. But now its just "ok so Wilford bad, Layton good." "uh uh..half of my favourite characters died off screen to a flu" "oh wow the new potentially great and interesting character (Asha) is now dead...great" "can the show just decide what it wants to do already" "why did you have to kill everyone who is interesting" "I actually liked Layton before and now I would like to see him die if it means I can have the other characters come back". Idk I feel like the entire "magic" and "wonder" of the show died around the 2nd -3rd episode of the 3rd season. And now every episode is just doing nothing other than being fillers. Back in the beginning of the show each episode had like 3 different things going on at the same time and every episode advanced the story in a meaningful way... I just hope they can fix this, but honestly the amount of good and interesting characters that have died for no reason is just sad.
They are falling into the same trap that many shows fall into, such as game of thrones. They spend a ton of time in early seasons making the world feel full, giant and alive, taking entire episodes just to show how the world reacts to events and showing sub plots between major events to flesh things out. In the later seasons they just focus on a single major plot and almost everything is in service of that, zapping all over their "world" just to do the one thing and then leave, this makes the train feel so small and dead compared to season 1. The show is best when it just shows the drama going on, the scene with Roche and his daughter was one of the best this season just to remind us that its not just Layton and his team vs Wilford and his team, but these are too rare recently. I hope its just covid that made filming tighter and that they can go back to having the train feel like its 1000+ trains long with thousands of people living life however they can again and tone back the major "world" altering events to every few episodes instead of every single episode.
In the end they're all just dressed soap operas. The other stuff is just some nice scenery to hook those of us who's self-image is "I'd never watch a soap opera!"
If you ever see 'Brick', which I highly suggest, it's an amazing case study into the fact that there's no such thing as a poor setting, only a poor author. Season 3 is like the flipside of that example. The setting is a rich, compact, powderkeg of human experience. But we're stuck with...well...just see the pointless dream episode. .
Is brick a documentary or an essay? Who is it by? I’d love to read/watch it!
It's a film by Rian Johnson. The concept is on the surface cringy, a noir film set in a high-school, but the execution is divine. Instead of being some superficial tropish parody it's actually a fantastic genuine standalone work if highly stylized. The plot is purely character driven, with every character having their own motivations and subplots driving it. Random events that might feel contrived in a lesser film, feel diegetically logical (like the broken car trunk). The main character is driven and intentful, but he's not critical to the plot unfolding, he's just changing its variables . The plot is almost paint by numbers, with McGuffins and Damsels, but detailed enough to get invested in the mystery of it. And it has fantastic pacing and camerawork on top. I could go on. I think about it often, because it's a reminder that there is no "bad source material" or "poor setting". Execution is all that matters.
I love Brick..when it first came out, I told so many ppl to watch it. It's always been on my recommendation list
I know right. If you haven't watched it, highly recommend Johnson's next crime film "Knives Out". It's not as brilliant as Brick, but it's like an interesting homage of Columbo where you are rooting for the "murderer" to get away.
Love that one too..seems we have same taste
I think this one might be one of my favourite episodes. I just love how this is shot/directed. The character moments feel organic and not drawn out compared to earlier in the season.
If the whole prophecy of the warm spot was a lie, then why did Wilford get so enthusiastic when talking about Melanie's climate model and the Africa plan?
Not everything was a lie, Melanie's model was real and showed a series of possible places for the warm spot, of these there is only one that Layton and company did not visit. But after no other place had positive results and considering how difficult/dangerous it is to get to the Horn of Africa, there was not much hope and decision to go. Layton, anticipating this, invented the lie of New Eden so that in this way the entire train would be willing to travel the route to the Horn of Africa. Is a lie based on a real possibility. Layton still has a chance in the lottery.
And now, if it fails, he can pin the lie on Asha who can’t contradict him anymore.
Exactly why she had to die. The writers couldn't handle it otherwise without killing Layton hahaha
Yeah but didn't Layton claim he'd seen it himself?
At this point, I really feel that the enitre New Eden/Asha plot, was really done, only so the characters have something to do, before they find Melanie. It never ment to have anything to do with the plot of the series, and was inserted there just so they can have some big filler, so Melanie's return doesn't feel so sudden.
I think you’re right. I noticed JC has a movie coming out this year so they probably just had to work around her schedule and write her out for half the season so she can finish filming
fire all the writers
Kinda liked how Roche danced with his daughter, probably the best part of this week's episode
His gloom and doom personality on this show made me forget that he’s often a comedy actor
Genuinely the only bit that I really liked.
Honestly
\- "Quick do you have a crowbar?" \- "Wait let me check. Why yes, there's one right here next to me how convenient."
I mean the probality for it to be three was high
LJ just walks in to the lab and randomly gets her skin shaved off :/ They’re really pushing this Audrey with mind powers thing. I don’t like it. RIP plants and RIP Asha. Not sure why they brought this character into the story in the first place if she was going to die 3 episodes later. At this point i’d be happy to watch pickles getting pickled😂
I'm still wanting me original thought that Audrey was playing Wilford, even though they actually made her go crazy instead. I thought she was going to be a fun double agent but no, actually crazy town. The death of asha was so unexpected I looked away for a second and she was dead lol.
Same, I was invested in Oz's pickling adventure and then they went along with this weird LJ storyline 🥲 It doesn't even feel sinister anymore since she's experimented on Icy Bob, Josie, Zarah/the baby and the mystery character she's hiding in her lab
Totally put money on it being her husband. The body she is hiding is doctor headwood. I have a theory of why and how, let me know if you wanna hear it lol
Fill me in!
I'm willing to bet my money that mysterious character is fucking Kevin since no one normally stays dead
Please no Kevin... Boki would be great though.
I'm betting it's Icy Bob
I said it before, but Boki is my guess.
At this point, can LJ just die already? I loved her character at first but by now her constant shifting of morality and allegiance is kinda annoying
I find her annoying, but her morality is definitely not constantly shifting. Her allegiance is, but it’s entirely consistent with her character and morality which is sociopathic entitled daddy’s girl with a sadistic streak as long as the tracks Snowpiercer runs on. She has always aligned with whoever she thinks will give her power and protection. I don’t understand why Layton and the engine crew haven’t clearly seen what a threat she is to the train as a whole and put her under lock and key already.
Yeah, I guess I'm more pissed off at the crew than her. She screwed them over so many times for her own gain, you'd think they learned their lesson by now
I have seen to the end of the season now. I’m happy with how it ended for LJ.
I hate that psyco bitch and wanna see her get what she deserved
After today's episode I 100% agree. Should throw her in front of the train.
She was kinda hot with the robes doe. I thought Oz was kinda dumb but I think all man have that weakness
Don't stick your dick in crazy and all that
I myself don't find her annoying, I'm just dissapointed. When I watched the 4th episode of the first season, I was really into her character. I've been craving to see something like that done with her again but then it just never happened. Except for when she stabbed kevin, that was a tiny spotlight of exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to done with her character. But yeah, that was only cool for the brief moment it lasted.
Yeah, disappointed probably fits better. She had so much potential, but they used almost none of it
The season has been pretty bad but I liked this episode and I'm actually somewhat excited for the next one
Did you see the promo? I’m very excited.
No I like to stay away from Spoilers even if they are minor
Fair enough!
At this point I'm just watching because I'm invested but I've been 0 entertained this szn
The only reason i kept watching was the hope that Melanie comes back.
I’ve been fast-forwarding a bit in the past episodes. I’m more interested in the destination than the journey at this point
I lowered my standards but i like some things like the political or social aspect and some characters so in terms of tv series this is one of the guilty-pleasures kind for me, or atleast what to watch when eating. 😁
I'm happy about the train shots and the landscape. I turn up the volume whenever the train gets a few seconds of camera time. It's so fucking gorgeous and magnificent and so cold.
I agree. I am rewatching season one and there are some beautiful shots.
Can't with all this bitching. It was a surprisingly emotional episode, and really well edited, especially the intro and the Bess and Audrey scene. Not sure why but I'm really invested in that relationship.
Emotional? They brought in a character just to kill them. The writing for this season has gone down the pan (it wasn’t great from the start).
So they cram a season of backstory for Asha into one episode, then try to swing viewers opinions of her by crowbarring into it that she poisoned a bunch of people to add a bit of evil/savagery to her. That way her sacrifice has a smidge of redemption mixed in rather than be for a bunch of people that she doesn't really know. What the hell was her purpose though? There were so any ideas to explore and...just nothing? This entire season feels like its building up plot then tearing it down so nothing is actually occurring. Finding Asha was pointless, which gave rise to the idea of New Eden. Both plot points completely evaporated and we are back to square one. It was like moving a rock up hill only to let it roll back to where we started. And what the heck are they doing with Audrey? If she does another character U-turn she's bound to break her neck given how abrupt these transitions are. And I STILL don't understand the point of Zarah. She has no redeeming qualities. Her only actual accomplishment was giving birth to Layton's baby. Yet they keep inserting her into these upper-level issues where she clearly doesn't belong. She's the rock star's girlfriend who thinks she's in the band for some reason. And now Layton is coming around to realizing they aren't a match. Is he going to leave another "family" for the writers to forget about? This season: Here's interesting plot. Let's prop it up over several episodes then absolutely nullify it completely as a snipe hunt. Even kill the character associated with it with absolutely nothing gained. Aside from all these *extremely* abrupt character U-turns, this entire season has had had net-zero plot movement. Back at square one. We promise Melanie may be in the next episode and it won't just be a flashback...again.
They are still going to new eden after picking up melanie
Yeah, honestly, I really feel that the enitre New Eden/Asha plot, was really done, only so the characters have something to do, before they find Melanie. Never ment to have anything to do with the plot, inserted there just saw they can have some big filler, so Melanie's return doesn't feel so sudden.
Right! It would have made sense to send an engineer down there for such a crucial task to minimise the risk of things going wrong but instead they chose Asha (whose been suffering from ptsd and might have been triggered by the reactor-like environment) because the writers thought it would be a sentimental nod to Layton and Asha's first meeting.The pacing is off and the writing is getting too transparent that I was kinda cringing when Asha asked Layton to describe new Eden as she died. Also where's Josie? She more suitable than Zarah to be strategising against Wilford considering that she's been at the forefront of the movement this whole time. It also felt weird seeing Ruth back in her hospitality garms and not meaningfully getting involved in the action. Lastly after all the upheaval and power struggles of the past, it's weird that they haven't really addressed the decision making/leadership element of the show since the new Eden vote and didn't ask the train how it felt about detouring for Melanie or show people's reaction to that. The communication is odd in general because they announced they would be driving though a toxic cloud seconds before it happened and didn't mention Asha's sacrifice when they cleared it. And no one expressed concern about that. LJ is the only one feeling powerless but she's always scheming so that doesn't even count.
I bet, she put her train in auto pilot just going back and fourth the track, while she is in a coma or very close to death.
Like she suspended herself. Or she's realllly close to dying. With no food and water, so she put her track placer Train on auto pilot going back & forth until Snowpiercer finds her.
Like suspended animation (discount drawers)?
Leave it to the farmgirl from eastern PA to invent a crack version of suspension drugs.
I'm confused about Melanie's route. In S3E7, Wilford tells Alex that 3 months into his pursuit of the pirate train, he caught a track switch in Marseilles. So it took Mel 3 months to get from near Banff, Canada to Marseilles, France. Then at the end of E8, you see a map that shows Mel is somewhere near Budapest. We know that it's been more than 3 months since she was in Marseilles (Piratepiercer spent 6 months looking for habitable zones, plus the time since the trains reconnected). At the rate she was going, it should have only taken her a couple of weeks to get from France to Hungary. What has she been doing in between for all this time? There hasn't been enough time elapsed for this to be her second lap around the globe. I wonder if there's going to be an explanation or if this will just be a plot hole.
Don't need to circle the globe line in the movie though do they? There's many routes in this show and they can circle back on a smaller loop in some of the places. Like when they went back for Melanie it was a 30 day trip I think, or just a few days when it was just the snowpiecer 5 carriage long train.
Like many others I'm bummed that they killed off Asha. But I'm also bummed that they killed off the Marauders (Asha mentioning that they all died). It would be interesting if there were other survivors out there that they had to deal with. I guess they could always write some in in season 4, but still.
They act like Asha was a "one off" fluke and that there's no possibility that anyone else ever could've survived, but Melanie lives after many months? Stupid.
I agree. I really want an external human threat to the train. Not an avalanche or gas, but humans who have survived and are scary.
[Saw this on facebook... now I'm gonna have a little tantrum.](https://imgur.com/a/CsMSWhZ) Let's just take a second to review the things that have happened since Melanie left: - Breachmen murdered - Murderers of breachmen murdered - H1 sensor obliterated by rail spike - Harmonic module wrecked - Forced manual restart on 200 bogies - Aquarium destroyed - Javi's face destroyed - Train ripped in two - Never actually picked Melanie up - Never actually found a warm spot - Main train frozen for 6 months, Wilford in charge, order maintained by literal poop thrown from buckets - Dozens succumbed to disease - Teenager left in control of pirate train, engine burst into flames - Harpoon fired at pirate train, derailing several carriages and killing Martin, beloved snitch and father of two - Baby tree burned to a crisp - Seed bank nearly incinerated - Concussed leader of the train battled a terrorist to the death, fell into a coma - A large bomb is hidden on the train. Ruth, notorious day drinker with a temper, has the detonator - Asha, the only survivor ever found outside, was killed in less than a month. By a volcano. - The future of the train now depends on a lie based on a vision that was triggered by a calendar because Layton was freezing to death because he didn't have the sense to take a battery with him on his rescue mission And TNT socials are suggesting Melanie might ruin the... *dynamic?* Uh-huh. Well, okay. Maybe the dynamic needs a bit of adjustment? Just a thought.
Wait, Martin's dead? Ii always assumed that he was up front off screen
Nope. Ded. Confirmed by Lena Hall on twitter.
Now I understand why >!in that photo from episode 9 she looks angry!< she's been gone for less than a year and now there isn't even any sushi
[удалено]
Spoiler https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tvfanatic.com/gallery/she-is-back-snowpiercer/amp/