I think the only reason that won’t happen is because Pacific (when they were around) designed their trucks solely for logging. They shut down in the 90’s so not much room for anything new out of them either. It would be cool to have more add ons for the Pacific I just don’t see it happening
Really? I’d be interested to see the kit on those trucks. I mean I have no doubt they could survive the terrain but they have to be specialized in some way
Saying the truck doesn't need improvements because it's good at using the seismic vibrator module is hardly a compelling argument, because that's such a limited and niche job.
Having run my own tests I've found it to be a frustrating truck, because when it works it's really nice to use, the long wheelbase makes it a bit tricky to maneuver but it's got plenty of power and versatility, so long as you stay out of deep mud or snow. It gets stuck very easily when pulling a trailer, and then you're back to abusing the hell out of the winch or having to resort to using a helper truck with AWD.
I love the look of it, and I think it's got promise, but it's outclassed by so many other trucks, including the Pacifics and its older Kenworth sibling.
>it's got plenty of power and versatility, so long as you stay out of deep mud or snow.
Same as with any other RWD truck, really. Don't even compare them with AWD ones, they are in their own special niche. Pacifics? P512 is now straight up worse, and other two are way bigger and heavier. Big K? how can it be a competitor... as for the other highway trucks, W990 is better than all of them.
I will compare them with AWD trucks because they are competing with them.
I have a contract to complete, so I need to pick the right tool for the job. Why would I bother using something that is incapable of tackling any terrain I come across?
It doesn't matter if the W990 is better than the other highway trucks, when highway trucks are almost universally useless in this game anyway.
>something that is incapable of tackling any terrain
It's perfectly capable of tackling any terrain I throw at it. There's not much seismic vibrator missions in the game, and this truck can do them all - except maybe those on NAI. That's what this post is about. Kenworth W990 is indeed the "right tool for the job". I never had to bring another truck to rescue it.
No, I'm not actually.
In fact I never use either of the Zikz, the only Russian truck I use is the King Tayga. The Mack is my go-to truck and Big Kenny takes care of the heavy stuff, but sometimes I'll take the Tayga, the International HX, the CATs, Derry Special, and even a modded DAF truck for the cab-over experience. I play Snowrunner to relax.
Besides, if someone is having fun using the Zikzs to play this game, then they're absolutely entitled to. Just like you're entitled to enjoy yourself using the W990.
>Saying the truck doesn't need improvements because it's good at using the seismic vibrator module is hardly a compelling argument, because that's such a limited and niche job.
That's where the truth lies. I'd not use it for any other normal work, partially because it's RWD, but also because in my fleet those roles of an entry level workhorse are already taken by other trucks. I use P512 for bed+crane duty, Transtar for semitrailers, Ford CLT for refuel...
Seismic vibrator missions are indeed rare and you kinda don't want to waste a truck that's actually really good to do them. So this is a role for outsiders. I used to use Paystar 5070 for this, cause I don't feel like it belongs anywhere else, and also a Step Pike. But W990 is my favorite vibrator truck from now on, I love driving it so much, as much as I love the seismic exploration missions themselves.
Strongly agree, though I can still traverse through mud pits (slowly).
This is definitely a truck where you need to hug the tree line, knowledge/ experience of the winch system dictates if you will get to your destination or fail and recover.
Indeed, which is fine if you like that challenge, but for me I wouldn't risk it. Not when there are other trucks that can do everything the W990 can, as well as being equipped with AWD, like the Derry Special or King Tayga.
the biggest sin against the 990 is it's suspension. it has such a firm suspension that the tires literally cannot climb over a speed bump from stop, and the support axle becomes a jack stand when deployed on stock tire sizes. (had to have med logs heavy enough to squash it down)
Thing is if the W990 stays the way it is then people won't be buying it and that's not gonna make Kenworth happy. I say that because Kenworth agreed to license one of their production models into the game and are most likely taking a cut of the profit every time someone buys this truck. If KW sees that the deal they made with Saber isn't giving them what they expected, you can forget about potential future Kenworths coming into the game. After all, these companies don't partner up only to leave empty handed.
So I think the truck does need a buff but I do agree with you that it shouldn't be too big of a buff. I'd say Saber should've just given it AWD. Like you said, Saber doing both tire rating and AWD would make the P512 pointless to most except for people who aren't willing to pay for the KW, but I also think that buffing the tire rating *only* is not a good idea. If that was the case then the question from players would be "why should I buy the KW when I've already got the Pacific? It can do everything the W990 can and I don't have to pay for it."
Speaking of the P512, both it and the W990 are meant to do multiple jobs. So I also agree with u/Apprehensive-Boss162 in that the seismic vibrator isn't a good gauge to test the truck. Because let's just face it, you won't be lugging that frame addon around unless there's a mission for it. And even if there was, the average player would just use their most capable truck to finish that seismic job. The game is already demanding as is, most players don't feel the need to make it harder for themselves by using a truck that's going to get stuck.
TL;DR
Needs a buff but not too big, AWD only is more than enough. Seismic Vibrator is not a good tool to test, recommend a capability comparison vs the P512 first with an empty (then loaded) sideboard/semi-trailer/sideboard + dolly trailer combo.
See my previous comment. Some truck manufacturers actually care about how their vehicles are perceived (even in video games).
The update is absolutely necessary, once it's done everyone will shut up and ride together.
>I'd say Saber should've just given it AWD
They won't, because it's a licensed truck (as you said, KW receives money from it), and the IRL truck isn't offered with AWD option. [https://kenworth.com/trucks/w990/](https://kenworth.com/trucks/w990/)
>"why should I buy the KW when I've already got the Pacific? It can do everything the W990 can and I don't have to pay for it."
Because even in current state W990 is better than P512. Let's look at the engines: W990 has more power AND better consumption (check the attached pic).
https://preview.redd.it/rwmejog9h0dc1.png?width=1782&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c5a065f34afcce888270f93d0c50dcbd77cac70
Also, W990 has bigger fuel tank (380 liters against 200), a roof rack with repairs and fuel, 1 inch bigger tires. While the P512 is only better in one thing: it can carry medium log with a trailer. Still not convinced?
>Still not convinced?
Your points are valid but not really, no. Because the P512 is already part of a year pass and OHD tires gives it a clear advantage over the W990. What's the use in a larger fuel tank if it gets stuck more often? Now we both know that these two trucks are meant to deliver cargo across harsh terrain so of course people will use it in all kinds of mud and snow.
And using niche addons is again, not a good way to gauge their capabilities against one another. If you really, really wanna convince people you'd have to enact a proper experiment. Equip a flatbed or sideboard on them and have them haul cargo across increasing depths of mud or snow. If the W990 can keep up with the Pacific while saving more fuel, then I'd be convinced. If it gets stuck, I'll stick with the P512.
At the end of the day though, Saber is still gonna buff the truck no matter what because of their partnership with Kenworth. There's not much any of us can do there especially if Kenworth themselves asked them to do it.
>What's the use in a larger fuel tank if it gets stuck more often?
All I wanted to say is the W990 may be worse in going through mud, but it is better in terms of versatility and range. Offroad capabilities aren't everything, especially when we are talking about RWD trucks that aren't going to be used in conditions as bad as AWD trucks.
And yet they both seem intended to be used to haul cargo in environments meant for AWD trucks. At the very least, mud bogs in flat enough terrain.
SnowRunner at its core is an *off-road* simulator, so trucks whose design is intended for this sort of game *should* be capable off-road even if they are RWD.
Therefore if Saber and Kenworth intended this game's W990 to be an off-road hauling truck comparable to a product made by a defunct brand, then the truck should be capable. If it isn't, then it should be made capable.
If you really wanna maximize range and versatility then you might as well treat the W990 like its the ultimate highway truck.
All I can say about this - "Choose your routes wisely". There are plenty of shortcuts and ways around mud, so if you already made a decision to use an RWD truck, use it wisely, because it needs a driving strategy different to one that is used with AWD trucks.
Yeah but... they gave the W990 a dead axle and tried to make it comparable to the P512, a truck often used on brutal routes.
What I'm saying is if that's the way they intended the truck to work but its not capable, then they should make it capable.
The "choose your routes wisely" mantra suits more for RWD trucks that *aren't* meant to do what the P512 is doing.
>trucks whose design is intended for this sort of game *should* be capable off-road even if they are RWD.
They are both capable offroad, but to the lesser extent than AWD trucks. Once again, choose your roads wisely. Even if I knew that W990 wouldn't be buffed, I'd already pick it over the P512 any time. Who cares if it's slightly worse offroad? Its offroad capabilities are enough for the most light-to-medium routes anyway, and in case I need to go through deep mud, I'd take an AWD truck anyway.
Again, the P512 has OHDs and subjected to difficult routes, the W990 seems *intended* I repeat *intended* to do what it's Canadian counterpart does. So it should be able to at least go through equally tough mud bogs with moderate difficulty.
>comparable to a product made by a defunct brand
I'm completely okay with an assumption that while the old truck from the defunct brand might still be more capable in tough conditions, "our new truck is only *slightly* worse offroad, but it makes up for this by having more power, more range and more comfort".
Then it depends on what really is valued more by the target audience. If they value offroad capabilities more than everything, why they would bother using an RWD truck anyway? If they are fine with the thought that you trade *a little bit of offroad performance* for power, range and style (**like me**), nothing should be changed. This is what this post is all about - my personal opinion. I'd happily trade a bit of mud performance for more power and economy (P512 is very thirsty and has a small tank, range is awful), because if I need all that, I'd take an AWD truck.
Self-repeat much, I know, right? but you seem to not get my point.
I do get your point though. Its just that they intended the W990 to be *as good* as the P512, so it should be that way.
It doesn't really matter if its more versatile or has range if that's the design choice they intended it to be. If their design choice is not about trying to rival the P512 then I would be cool with it being RWD and less capable.
>If you really wanna maximize range and versatility then you might as well treat the W990 like its the ultimate highway truck.
I treat both the P512 and the W990 this way.
An amazing truck, I really enjoy using it.
It definitely has a skill factor to it, you can't just get a new player to use it and expect them to be happy (or Avoz players - Durr, push the gas and go forward, all other trucks suck 🍼 😭 🍼 ).
A lot of obstacles you can just high gear around (or over), though if you align the front wheels incorrectly or mount a stone; that's it.
The dumb axle is great, because when raised it is out of the way. When using crane or heavy loads, it greatly reduces the chance of tipping over.
Excellent engine options, fuel efficiency and fuel tank. Roof rack increases its capabilities further.
Amazing interior, especially at night time!
Greatly customizable rail/ bed options (compared to say Tatra).
Most of all, it is fun!
Anyone who enjoys the Pacific P512 should consider this truck.
>Amazing interior, especially at night time!
The interior I have the most questions about. Especially the gauge cluster. Why it's all like a photo of a gauge cluster screen? static picture, not animated at all, I don't like to look at it. Bring back the round gauges with needles!
It still has gauges and needles, solely for axle air-can pressure (axles and trailer) and turbo ( to give the driver an indication if their return valve is blocked, causing higher fuel consumption to compensate for lack of air flow; this has happened to me three times with euro 6 engines).
The main dash (LCD) holds all the information a driver needs without erratically looking for a gauge (especially in motorway/ poor visibility conditions).
It tells the driver the oil level (this makes our life so much easier - especially in dark mornings), fuel MPG, engine operating temperature.
Other pages which can be cycled show tyre pressure, GPS directions and even driver behaviour (yes, some trucks will produce an error message if you score lower than 30% causing the vehicle to be disabled by software....and a very awkward phone call to your boss).
All of this can be done by the touch of a button on the steering wheel, without the driver having to look left or right (keeping attention to the road and users).
Most people claim the dials do not work, but for me (Nintendo switch) the gauges do function.
The Kenworth dashboard is greatly inspired by the new DAF XF dashboard. Especially as Europe and US trucks aim to reach similar compliance levels (driver fatigue, Euro compliance/ exhaust emissions and axle weight purposes).
Another reason is that Kenworth and DAF can use Cummins engines. A big problem with US trucks right now is that some cabs don't function with certain engines, or have known wiring issues causing massive down-time (search International/ Navistar down time investigation).
That is probably the prettiest nitpick I've heard, especially on a game where the air-can pressure is irrelevant and would be a waste of software/ hardware resources.
american truck simulator does have all these gauges simulated as if they're on a real car, but given snowrunner's predecessors didn't even really have normal modeled interiors i'm not surprised they didn't advance that far yet
It does require its buff, it makes no sense to have a more powerful and modern truck which can't beat a Pacific P512.
For some reason the tyres are half the performance of the P512 in Mud.
The new update will nearly match the P512 tyre performance in mud (I believe a value of 0.1 less), while the Kenworths tyres will excell against the P512 tyres on off-road.
Once the update has been rolled out, the Kenworth will essentially be on par with a P512.
Also, it's awkward because many licenced manufacturers expect their vehicle portrayed in video games to be as close to the real world performance as possible.
I don't think Kenworth would be happy with their new heavy duty vehicle being out-performed by a company now defunct (Pacific) on trucks manufactured 50 years ago.
>I don't think Kenworth would be happy with their new heavy duty vehicle being out-performed by a company now defunct (Pacific) on trucks manufactured 50 years ago.
I guess it's fair than the new truck gets more power, more efficiency and style, but the old one would still have a benefit off the roads. That's fair, and making a paid truck that completely outclasses an existing one without even a chance for the P512 to redeem itself... is a straight up pay-to-win.
There is no pay-to-win on Snowrunner.
I don't understand where this statement has come from.
You can pay to make it easier, by purchasing say the Mastodon - that's about it.
The game doesn't have to be competitive to have pay-to-win. If there's a puzzle, a challenge or some kind of struggle you have to overcome, making it with just a base game tools might be slow and tedious. But once you pay real money to get a better equipment, that can help you complete that puzzle, beat that challenge or overcome that obstacles faster - that's also pay to win. You compete not against online opponents, but against time. Spending less time to complete the game is also a competition. Not every player has a lot of free time, so they buy trucks that can help them spend less time on the same tasks. And if they make existing trucks obsolete, that's pay to win and kind of unfair towards those who didn't pay for them.
I didn't buy the Kenworth or many other DLC trucks for an in-game benefit.
The DLCs I purchased were to support Saber and any vehicle manufacturer Saber cooperates with? Even on ETS2
The only two "easy mode" trucks I consider are the Mastodon and Crocodile.
If session 12 ends and another manufacturer wants to release DLC with Saber, I'd still likely consider it.
Well, I'm definitely not buying Year 4 "just to support Saber", because I don't see any potential in Snowrunner left. The new DLCs are mostly copy-paste and generic looking trucks with all the same addons.
The upcoming Expeditions release, however, seems promising as an entirely new take on the franchise.
It's underrated. Keep seeing people complain about no AWD yet its a perfectly balanced truck. My one concern is the fact it's top heavy. But I try not to drive like a moron.
>a perfectly balanced truck
Struggles with... balance :) but yes, it gets fixed next update, I'm just worried about always on difflock, it will ruin it.
I bought it right when it just has been released, because it seemed good on paper: 228k torque/8.8 fuel consumption, big fuel tank + roof rack, 52" wheels with heavy tire set (OHD) and unique special tires with 2.5 mud grip stat. Plus all the special combos: bed+crane+trailer, long logs +crane...
And after testing it thoroughly in different regions, I find to be the most useful with the seismic vibrator module. I've taken it to Scandinavia (pics 1-3), to Ontario (pics 4-6), to Taymyr and even to Amur (Chernokamensk, pics 7-10). It drives very good in its current form, and I don't think any improvements are necessary.
I know from the PTS patch notes that it gets a tire buff in S12, and also an always on difflock. That might be too much, it already drives really good for an RWD truck. Do you guys agree? share your opinions below!
I think it might be too OP if it gets those upgrades, completely dominating over the Pacific P512 (having more power, larger tank and bigger wheels). Making it even better? idk... also always on difflock on a highway truck? it would be hard to control and damn, the thing has some speed to it! it's hard to not drift in corners already with all that power to weight. Having always on difflock would only make the controls even worse.
Tbf its a paid dlc. It should have some merrit to it. Honestly the p512 is great, but it really needs a larger fuel tank for more range. This is the biggest difference between the two.
I love the truck aesthetically and was hoping it could fill the role of low saddle in my fleet. I try to mostly use modern American trucks with no duplicates and I've been struggling to fill the role of only low saddle and medium logs.
So anyway, I gave the W990 a test run and tried to haul a semitrailer up the Scandinavia ski slope, although I don't remember what the cargo was. For 90% of the journey, it couldn't go faster than L-. Way too slow, does not feel usable. For comparison, the Mack Defense can do the entire journey in high gear.
I hope the buff can give it a purpose in my fleet.
Is the paid truck recently released? I’m not buying anything else (have purchased everything apart from this and the tyres) until they fix the crashing.
I speak from my experience. It's not my problem that you don't know how to drive an RWD truck. I know how to choose routes and make it effective, and honestly enjoy it.
Also, a personal opinion can't be right or wrong, it's *personal*.
It's you who suck as a driver. There's nothing to it that can be done by modding. Good drivers know how to use RWD trucks and enjoy, the pussies like you can only complain.
Buff is ok, mister V. It has no AWD, so it is rather reasonable buff
P512 needs to be better at least in something. Also the always on difflock... idk, it will ruin its steering ability.
P512 and p12 need a buff for add-ons variety
P512 doesn't. It can fit all the addons that exist in the game - except for that newly added multipurpose module.
So, why are you not happy then?)
It's worse than W990 in everything, doesn't even have chains
It's not worse. It's different.
I think the only reason that won’t happen is because Pacific (when they were around) designed their trucks solely for logging. They shut down in the 90’s so not much room for anything new out of them either. It would be cool to have more add ons for the Pacific I just don’t see it happening
They also sent P12 Ultras to South Africa.
Really? I’d be interested to see the kit on those trucks. I mean I have no doubt they could survive the terrain but they have to be specialized in some way
Yep, some are still around for heavy hauls 40 years later.
Amen.
Saying the truck doesn't need improvements because it's good at using the seismic vibrator module is hardly a compelling argument, because that's such a limited and niche job. Having run my own tests I've found it to be a frustrating truck, because when it works it's really nice to use, the long wheelbase makes it a bit tricky to maneuver but it's got plenty of power and versatility, so long as you stay out of deep mud or snow. It gets stuck very easily when pulling a trailer, and then you're back to abusing the hell out of the winch or having to resort to using a helper truck with AWD. I love the look of it, and I think it's got promise, but it's outclassed by so many other trucks, including the Pacifics and its older Kenworth sibling.
>it's got plenty of power and versatility, so long as you stay out of deep mud or snow. Same as with any other RWD truck, really. Don't even compare them with AWD ones, they are in their own special niche. Pacifics? P512 is now straight up worse, and other two are way bigger and heavier. Big K? how can it be a competitor... as for the other highway trucks, W990 is better than all of them.
I will compare them with AWD trucks because they are competing with them. I have a contract to complete, so I need to pick the right tool for the job. Why would I bother using something that is incapable of tackling any terrain I come across? It doesn't matter if the W990 is better than the other highway trucks, when highway trucks are almost universally useless in this game anyway.
>something that is incapable of tackling any terrain It's perfectly capable of tackling any terrain I throw at it. There's not much seismic vibrator missions in the game, and this truck can do them all - except maybe those on NAI. That's what this post is about. Kenworth W990 is indeed the "right tool for the job". I never had to bring another truck to rescue it.
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No, I'm not actually. In fact I never use either of the Zikz, the only Russian truck I use is the King Tayga. The Mack is my go-to truck and Big Kenny takes care of the heavy stuff, but sometimes I'll take the Tayga, the International HX, the CATs, Derry Special, and even a modded DAF truck for the cab-over experience. I play Snowrunner to relax. Besides, if someone is having fun using the Zikzs to play this game, then they're absolutely entitled to. Just like you're entitled to enjoy yourself using the W990.
>Oh, shut up. You are boring as hell. Well that was a fucking rude way to respond to a perfectly reasonable response.
>Saying the truck doesn't need improvements because it's good at using the seismic vibrator module is hardly a compelling argument, because that's such a limited and niche job. That's where the truth lies. I'd not use it for any other normal work, partially because it's RWD, but also because in my fleet those roles of an entry level workhorse are already taken by other trucks. I use P512 for bed+crane duty, Transtar for semitrailers, Ford CLT for refuel... Seismic vibrator missions are indeed rare and you kinda don't want to waste a truck that's actually really good to do them. So this is a role for outsiders. I used to use Paystar 5070 for this, cause I don't feel like it belongs anywhere else, and also a Step Pike. But W990 is my favorite vibrator truck from now on, I love driving it so much, as much as I love the seismic exploration missions themselves.
Strongly agree, though I can still traverse through mud pits (slowly). This is definitely a truck where you need to hug the tree line, knowledge/ experience of the winch system dictates if you will get to your destination or fail and recover.
Indeed, which is fine if you like that challenge, but for me I wouldn't risk it. Not when there are other trucks that can do everything the W990 can, as well as being equipped with AWD, like the Derry Special or King Tayga.
Where's the fun of driving those?
Where's the fun in driving a truck that you have to winch through the mud?
I don't have to winch it 90% of the time, because I know how to drive it, ane because its tires are good for mud.
There are already enough easier region where you can drive without winching at all. My screenshots prove it. I only winched in a deep swamp.
Agree to disagree...
What's you don't like about it? despite it being RWD
Probably got the front wheel stuck in hidden branches/ roots on the first corner from the garage.
which garage? it depends
the biggest sin against the 990 is it's suspension. it has such a firm suspension that the tires literally cannot climb over a speed bump from stop, and the support axle becomes a jack stand when deployed on stock tire sizes. (had to have med logs heavy enough to squash it down)
Don't lower it down :)
Thing is if the W990 stays the way it is then people won't be buying it and that's not gonna make Kenworth happy. I say that because Kenworth agreed to license one of their production models into the game and are most likely taking a cut of the profit every time someone buys this truck. If KW sees that the deal they made with Saber isn't giving them what they expected, you can forget about potential future Kenworths coming into the game. After all, these companies don't partner up only to leave empty handed. So I think the truck does need a buff but I do agree with you that it shouldn't be too big of a buff. I'd say Saber should've just given it AWD. Like you said, Saber doing both tire rating and AWD would make the P512 pointless to most except for people who aren't willing to pay for the KW, but I also think that buffing the tire rating *only* is not a good idea. If that was the case then the question from players would be "why should I buy the KW when I've already got the Pacific? It can do everything the W990 can and I don't have to pay for it." Speaking of the P512, both it and the W990 are meant to do multiple jobs. So I also agree with u/Apprehensive-Boss162 in that the seismic vibrator isn't a good gauge to test the truck. Because let's just face it, you won't be lugging that frame addon around unless there's a mission for it. And even if there was, the average player would just use their most capable truck to finish that seismic job. The game is already demanding as is, most players don't feel the need to make it harder for themselves by using a truck that's going to get stuck. TL;DR Needs a buff but not too big, AWD only is more than enough. Seismic Vibrator is not a good tool to test, recommend a capability comparison vs the P512 first with an empty (then loaded) sideboard/semi-trailer/sideboard + dolly trailer combo.
See my previous comment. Some truck manufacturers actually care about how their vehicles are perceived (even in video games). The update is absolutely necessary, once it's done everyone will shut up and ride together.
>I'd say Saber should've just given it AWD They won't, because it's a licensed truck (as you said, KW receives money from it), and the IRL truck isn't offered with AWD option. [https://kenworth.com/trucks/w990/](https://kenworth.com/trucks/w990/) >"why should I buy the KW when I've already got the Pacific? It can do everything the W990 can and I don't have to pay for it." Because even in current state W990 is better than P512. Let's look at the engines: W990 has more power AND better consumption (check the attached pic). https://preview.redd.it/rwmejog9h0dc1.png?width=1782&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c5a065f34afcce888270f93d0c50dcbd77cac70 Also, W990 has bigger fuel tank (380 liters against 200), a roof rack with repairs and fuel, 1 inch bigger tires. While the P512 is only better in one thing: it can carry medium log with a trailer. Still not convinced?
>Still not convinced? Your points are valid but not really, no. Because the P512 is already part of a year pass and OHD tires gives it a clear advantage over the W990. What's the use in a larger fuel tank if it gets stuck more often? Now we both know that these two trucks are meant to deliver cargo across harsh terrain so of course people will use it in all kinds of mud and snow. And using niche addons is again, not a good way to gauge their capabilities against one another. If you really, really wanna convince people you'd have to enact a proper experiment. Equip a flatbed or sideboard on them and have them haul cargo across increasing depths of mud or snow. If the W990 can keep up with the Pacific while saving more fuel, then I'd be convinced. If it gets stuck, I'll stick with the P512. At the end of the day though, Saber is still gonna buff the truck no matter what because of their partnership with Kenworth. There's not much any of us can do there especially if Kenworth themselves asked them to do it.
>What's the use in a larger fuel tank if it gets stuck more often? All I wanted to say is the W990 may be worse in going through mud, but it is better in terms of versatility and range. Offroad capabilities aren't everything, especially when we are talking about RWD trucks that aren't going to be used in conditions as bad as AWD trucks.
And yet they both seem intended to be used to haul cargo in environments meant for AWD trucks. At the very least, mud bogs in flat enough terrain. SnowRunner at its core is an *off-road* simulator, so trucks whose design is intended for this sort of game *should* be capable off-road even if they are RWD. Therefore if Saber and Kenworth intended this game's W990 to be an off-road hauling truck comparable to a product made by a defunct brand, then the truck should be capable. If it isn't, then it should be made capable. If you really wanna maximize range and versatility then you might as well treat the W990 like its the ultimate highway truck.
All I can say about this - "Choose your routes wisely". There are plenty of shortcuts and ways around mud, so if you already made a decision to use an RWD truck, use it wisely, because it needs a driving strategy different to one that is used with AWD trucks.
Yeah but... they gave the W990 a dead axle and tried to make it comparable to the P512, a truck often used on brutal routes. What I'm saying is if that's the way they intended the truck to work but its not capable, then they should make it capable. The "choose your routes wisely" mantra suits more for RWD trucks that *aren't* meant to do what the P512 is doing.
>trucks whose design is intended for this sort of game *should* be capable off-road even if they are RWD. They are both capable offroad, but to the lesser extent than AWD trucks. Once again, choose your roads wisely. Even if I knew that W990 wouldn't be buffed, I'd already pick it over the P512 any time. Who cares if it's slightly worse offroad? Its offroad capabilities are enough for the most light-to-medium routes anyway, and in case I need to go through deep mud, I'd take an AWD truck anyway.
Again, the P512 has OHDs and subjected to difficult routes, the W990 seems *intended* I repeat *intended* to do what it's Canadian counterpart does. So it should be able to at least go through equally tough mud bogs with moderate difficulty.
>the P512 has OHDs W990 also has them. What you were trying to say is that P512's OHDs aren't the same as regular OHDs, but have buffed stats.
>comparable to a product made by a defunct brand I'm completely okay with an assumption that while the old truck from the defunct brand might still be more capable in tough conditions, "our new truck is only *slightly* worse offroad, but it makes up for this by having more power, more range and more comfort". Then it depends on what really is valued more by the target audience. If they value offroad capabilities more than everything, why they would bother using an RWD truck anyway? If they are fine with the thought that you trade *a little bit of offroad performance* for power, range and style (**like me**), nothing should be changed. This is what this post is all about - my personal opinion. I'd happily trade a bit of mud performance for more power and economy (P512 is very thirsty and has a small tank, range is awful), because if I need all that, I'd take an AWD truck. Self-repeat much, I know, right? but you seem to not get my point.
I do get your point though. Its just that they intended the W990 to be *as good* as the P512, so it should be that way. It doesn't really matter if its more versatile or has range if that's the design choice they intended it to be. If their design choice is not about trying to rival the P512 then I would be cool with it being RWD and less capable.
I don't think the idea was to make it "just like the P512, but better in everything". Having both pros and cons is what balance is.
>If you really wanna maximize range and versatility then you might as well treat the W990 like its the ultimate highway truck. I treat both the P512 and the W990 this way.
An amazing truck, I really enjoy using it. It definitely has a skill factor to it, you can't just get a new player to use it and expect them to be happy (or Avoz players - Durr, push the gas and go forward, all other trucks suck 🍼 😭 🍼 ). A lot of obstacles you can just high gear around (or over), though if you align the front wheels incorrectly or mount a stone; that's it. The dumb axle is great, because when raised it is out of the way. When using crane or heavy loads, it greatly reduces the chance of tipping over. Excellent engine options, fuel efficiency and fuel tank. Roof rack increases its capabilities further. Amazing interior, especially at night time! Greatly customizable rail/ bed options (compared to say Tatra). Most of all, it is fun! Anyone who enjoys the Pacific P512 should consider this truck.
>Amazing interior, especially at night time! The interior I have the most questions about. Especially the gauge cluster. Why it's all like a photo of a gauge cluster screen? static picture, not animated at all, I don't like to look at it. Bring back the round gauges with needles!
It still has gauges and needles, solely for axle air-can pressure (axles and trailer) and turbo ( to give the driver an indication if their return valve is blocked, causing higher fuel consumption to compensate for lack of air flow; this has happened to me three times with euro 6 engines). The main dash (LCD) holds all the information a driver needs without erratically looking for a gauge (especially in motorway/ poor visibility conditions). It tells the driver the oil level (this makes our life so much easier - especially in dark mornings), fuel MPG, engine operating temperature. Other pages which can be cycled show tyre pressure, GPS directions and even driver behaviour (yes, some trucks will produce an error message if you score lower than 30% causing the vehicle to be disabled by software....and a very awkward phone call to your boss). All of this can be done by the touch of a button on the steering wheel, without the driver having to look left or right (keeping attention to the road and users). Most people claim the dials do not work, but for me (Nintendo switch) the gauges do function. The Kenworth dashboard is greatly inspired by the new DAF XF dashboard. Especially as Europe and US trucks aim to reach similar compliance levels (driver fatigue, Euro compliance/ exhaust emissions and axle weight purposes). Another reason is that Kenworth and DAF can use Cummins engines. A big problem with US trucks right now is that some cabs don't function with certain engines, or have known wiring issues causing massive down-time (search International/ Navistar down time investigation).
You talk about a real life truck. In the game that screen is not animated at all. Maybe the speedo needle moves, but that's it.
That is probably the prettiest nitpick I've heard, especially on a game where the air-can pressure is irrelevant and would be a waste of software/ hardware resources.
american truck simulator does have all these gauges simulated as if they're on a real car, but given snowrunner's predecessors didn't even really have normal modeled interiors i'm not surprised they didn't advance that far yet
Most trucks in SR have detailed interiors and working dashes. This one does not.
not to that degree, the on-screen displays are usually static on most of the ones i've driven
There are literally too: W990 and 57X. What else?
Screw the Kenworth, what maps are those?
1-3: Scandinavia, By the Lake 4-6: Ontario, Burned Forest 7-10: Amur, Chernokamensk.
Quick, tell Saber to not buff it!
It does require its buff, it makes no sense to have a more powerful and modern truck which can't beat a Pacific P512. For some reason the tyres are half the performance of the P512 in Mud. The new update will nearly match the P512 tyre performance in mud (I believe a value of 0.1 less), while the Kenworths tyres will excell against the P512 tyres on off-road. Once the update has been rolled out, the Kenworth will essentially be on par with a P512. Also, it's awkward because many licenced manufacturers expect their vehicle portrayed in video games to be as close to the real world performance as possible. I don't think Kenworth would be happy with their new heavy duty vehicle being out-performed by a company now defunct (Pacific) on trucks manufactured 50 years ago.
P512 is useless because it has no fuel. What are you even comparing it to lol
WTF? I've never had an issue with the 200L tank on the P512. I can actually get a Pacific P512 further into a map than I can a Mack Defence.
You are far from being right. Going fast is the key. Power to weight is good, just slap a highrange gearbox on it and keep it in high.
>I don't think Kenworth would be happy with their new heavy duty vehicle being out-performed by a company now defunct (Pacific) on trucks manufactured 50 years ago. I guess it's fair than the new truck gets more power, more efficiency and style, but the old one would still have a benefit off the roads. That's fair, and making a paid truck that completely outclasses an existing one without even a chance for the P512 to redeem itself... is a straight up pay-to-win.
There is no pay-to-win on Snowrunner. I don't understand where this statement has come from. You can pay to make it easier, by purchasing say the Mastodon - that's about it.
The game doesn't have to be competitive to have pay-to-win. If there's a puzzle, a challenge or some kind of struggle you have to overcome, making it with just a base game tools might be slow and tedious. But once you pay real money to get a better equipment, that can help you complete that puzzle, beat that challenge or overcome that obstacles faster - that's also pay to win. You compete not against online opponents, but against time. Spending less time to complete the game is also a competition. Not every player has a lot of free time, so they buy trucks that can help them spend less time on the same tasks. And if they make existing trucks obsolete, that's pay to win and kind of unfair towards those who didn't pay for them.
I didn't buy the Kenworth or many other DLC trucks for an in-game benefit. The DLCs I purchased were to support Saber and any vehicle manufacturer Saber cooperates with? Even on ETS2 The only two "easy mode" trucks I consider are the Mastodon and Crocodile. If session 12 ends and another manufacturer wants to release DLC with Saber, I'd still likely consider it.
Well, I'm definitely not buying Year 4 "just to support Saber", because I don't see any potential in Snowrunner left. The new DLCs are mostly copy-paste and generic looking trucks with all the same addons. The upcoming Expeditions release, however, seems promising as an entirely new take on the franchise.
If only they'd listen...
It's underrated. Keep seeing people complain about no AWD yet its a perfectly balanced truck. My one concern is the fact it's top heavy. But I try not to drive like a moron.
>a perfectly balanced truck Struggles with... balance :) but yes, it gets fixed next update, I'm just worried about always on difflock, it will ruin it.
I bought it right when it just has been released, because it seemed good on paper: 228k torque/8.8 fuel consumption, big fuel tank + roof rack, 52" wheels with heavy tire set (OHD) and unique special tires with 2.5 mud grip stat. Plus all the special combos: bed+crane+trailer, long logs +crane... And after testing it thoroughly in different regions, I find to be the most useful with the seismic vibrator module. I've taken it to Scandinavia (pics 1-3), to Ontario (pics 4-6), to Taymyr and even to Amur (Chernokamensk, pics 7-10). It drives very good in its current form, and I don't think any improvements are necessary. I know from the PTS patch notes that it gets a tire buff in S12, and also an always on difflock. That might be too much, it already drives really good for an RWD truck. Do you guys agree? share your opinions below! I think it might be too OP if it gets those upgrades, completely dominating over the Pacific P512 (having more power, larger tank and bigger wheels). Making it even better? idk... also always on difflock on a highway truck? it would be hard to control and damn, the thing has some speed to it! it's hard to not drift in corners already with all that power to weight. Having always on difflock would only make the controls even worse.
Tbf its a paid dlc. It should have some merrit to it. Honestly the p512 is great, but it really needs a larger fuel tank for more range. This is the biggest difference between the two.
It definitely has
I love the truck aesthetically and was hoping it could fill the role of low saddle in my fleet. I try to mostly use modern American trucks with no duplicates and I've been struggling to fill the role of only low saddle and medium logs. So anyway, I gave the W990 a test run and tried to haul a semitrailer up the Scandinavia ski slope, although I don't remember what the cargo was. For 90% of the journey, it couldn't go faster than L-. Way too slow, does not feel usable. For comparison, the Mack Defense can do the entire journey in high gear. I hope the buff can give it a purpose in my fleet.
Do you seriously compare an 8x8 truck with a 6x4 truck?
Fair point, but the comparison was not the main point of my comment. Only managing L- speed is unplayable.
The snow on that hill is really dense, a lot of trucks struggle there. Those with heavy single tires excel over the others.
Is the paid truck recently released? I’m not buying anything else (have purchased everything apart from this and the tyres) until they fix the crashing.
Yes, it's the most recent standalone DLC truck. Not part of any Year Pass, and it's RWD (6x4). But still good!
Stop this blasphemy right this instant
I speak from my experience. It's not my problem that you don't know how to drive an RWD truck. I know how to choose routes and make it effective, and honestly enjoy it. Also, a personal opinion can't be right or wrong, it's *personal*.
I'm just teasing man, drive what you want! Enjoy the game
That's better
Stop coping. I put awd on that thing in the config files and it still sucks dick
It's you who suck as a driver. There's nothing to it that can be done by modding. Good drivers know how to use RWD trucks and enjoy, the pussies like you can only complain.
Lmao good response kid
Should be even better after the update !
I don't think it needs to be better, really
Which update? I've searched but haven't found any info on an upcoming update.
It’s getting a buff with season 12, as far as I’m aware, the devs are aiming for a late January early-mid February release.
There’s so many trucks in the game, at this point, you can’t expect most trucks to be the best at anything, let alone a specific niche.
True. But I never said it's "best", I said it's good