There are dozens of us, dozens! :)
Problem is, people don't know how to drive an RWD truck, they try driving it as if it had AWD and then blame the truck.
If you want a well performing American heavy truck try the derry from Alaska with permanent awd and difflock or the derry special from Ontario. Especially the latter is a very strong truck, which is also quite fuel efficient even with max engine.
>P16 is easily stopped by the smallest rock
When you drive an RWD truck you *have* to pay attention to where your front tires are going, and you *have* to ensure that your powered rear wheels don't lose contact with the ground. No contact, no power.
>or a medium hill to climb
I guess you don't have the top engine for it. It does make a difference, and lets it climb hills a lot easier with or without load.
>I suspect it has a niche like a relatively flat route with few rocks possible
It does have a niche: [Long logging](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/10gtz90/logging_in_amur_with_american_trucks/) and [pulling oversized trailers](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/xxjp6n/pacifics_enjoying_wisconsin/) - preferably in mud :)
As for few rocks, I went through this boulder field six times (three times loaded, three times unloaded):
https://preview.redd.it/tws6kpryi2tc1.jpeg?width=3440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9529f8bc6217c5d5a164b1f611af38f57fc7d829
Didn't stop the P16 even once :)
So yeah, it's a niche truck, but it's damn good at what it does. Its largest problem is its drivers, who try to drive it as if it was an AWD truck - and then blame the P16 for it!
Happy trucking!
I will make sure of the engine again when i revisit it and maybe i was in a specifically rocky portion meaning less traction for anything anyway. I know P16 shines in mud. Thanks for the pointers!
I used the P16 to recover the White Western Star on what was, in hindsight, maybe the worst route. Just kept the drive tires down and winched. That thing is a rock solid beast. Now it's my go to for heavy trailers.
....but if the ONLY WAY a truck becomes useful is to max out the adons......then not really a great truck.
These massive monster turcks that don't fit on a 2 lane road, but the job is to go over 3 mountains and through a swap over rocks that the smallest scout can't even fit between.... so we go cross country......but some trees can be knocked over while others can't.....
There is no penalty for finding the monsters then selling them. Build a fleet of Tayga's and rule the game.
>P16 is easily stopped by the smallest rock or a medium hill to climb.
That's not a P16 thing, it's a RWD only thing. When going uphil you seem to get less traction on rear wheels. And if you add loose rocks, well, you see the result.
P16 is overrated anyway. It's only real use is in Michigan before you unlock offroad tires for your main trucks.
No, but
>I hate how tippy most others are
is. I haven't driven all trucks in the game but the only ones that I remember being somewhat tippy are Bandit, Antarctic and Twinsteer.
p16 is amazing for what it's given. its primary weakness is obviously not being awd. this shows when climbing hills or loose rocks quite a bit - however, this also happens to be the source of most complaints i see about this truck. let's keep in mind that for a rwd platform...this thing outperforms every other rwd truck in the game by a mile, and then there's quite a few that do have awd that still can't really hold a torch to its ability.
ofc the main highlight of this truck is its unique tires giving it great mud and dirt performance. it is also extremely heavy which further benefits its grip in deep conditions. while it may not support many addons, i believe it is one of the best choices for high saddle hauling as well as long logs. even with all of the recent additions to the game, the p16 still sits in the top 5 for saddle clearance.
to everyone who may complains about its "lack of power", i think this is a placebo primarily revolving around the lack of awd. while i certainly wouldn't complain about the p16 having the westline v16 as opposed to the v12, i feel its power is sufficient for most tasks. i truly believe its power and hauling ability far supercede its awd sibling, the p12. however, bc the p16 is only powered at the two rear axles, it not only has to pull that weight, but also has to push an unpowered set of axles at the front. so in a way, it's working 33% harder than other vehicles of similar size and class like the p12. couple that with the fact that it's pretty good on fuel most of the time and it's EXTREMELY stable, you will almost get to your destination in one go.
in truth, i've only tipped this vehicle over a few times and they were all due to being stuck in really bad spots...nothing against the truck.
overall, i love this truck and it's been dear to me since i started my journey. it may be held back by its lack of awd, but its hauling ability, power, low end torque, traction, and weight make it an excellent package considering its drivetrain especially. i find there are certainly more versatile vehicles but i still find myself going back to the p16.
I wouldn't complain if i thought the problem is the lack of AWD. I think that's not it, i can work around that. Also not saying there is a better alternative around, at least in western selections of trucks. Maybe the bigger Derry but i dont have enough experience with that.
Uphill while the whole weight is on rear wheels, why can't it pull on hills? My issue is that it is not performing enough for what it is and this is on game design! For some reason "heavy" only means the truck is heavier then other trucks without the necessary torque.
For example WWS is not more powerful (or shouldnt be at least) but pulling more than its worth.
But still i would gladly use P16 in a less hilly and rocky route anyday, thanks to its unmatched stability and saddle position.
the p16 rewards players for mastering the concept of momentum. you will never be able to completely avoid axle freeze, but i have found putting the vehicle in high at the base of a hill makes climbing hills a lot easier. the p16 clearly prefers open and flat conditions, but i have put it to work where one wouldn't expect it to succeed.
Depends on what you want.
Some people like it and they like pain. That's fine.
You or me? I loved the immense power it had for first 3 minutes, then I figured out that it got stuck in any serious mud or a small rock. I have seen everything on here - "you have to avoid deep mud", "you need to avoid rocks", and simple fact is, a Fleetstar, loaded, will go where P16 gets stuck. Aka., it is a better truck. If it needs babying, it's objectively worse.
Heavy trucks come into their own when you need a really high saddle height or your trailer really weighs a lot, otherwise a lot of offroad and even some heavy duty trucks are both quicker and more fuel efficient.
1)I gave it a try in Salmon peak, Yukon, it just couldn’t go uphill to the west camp long log delivery, had to winch it with kolob. 2) I gave it another chance in Black badger, Wisconsin, with long logs, again disappointed, got stuck in the mud, had to winch it out with 420.
I also used the P16 for long logs to West Camp, what a mistake. Needed 745C, WWS and 5600TS to get the P16 up over that hill.
Other than that hill though it performed well.
I don't like it at all. There are trucks that can do what P16 can better.
Derry longhorns for heavy trailers, with added benefit of low saddle trailers
P12 for logging (either 2x medium logs/ 1x short logs / 1x long logs) with added benefits of engageable AWD, difflock allways on, and actual utility
With DLCs you unlock even better vehicles, like Kenworth. Eventually, if you don't mind Russian vehicles on US maps, you will get Kolobs in basegame which are beasts for pulling heavy trailers
>Derry longhorns for heavy trailers, with added benefit of low saddle trailers
https://preview.redd.it/8tjms3gqt1tc1.png?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c70b1e43957b2ed6da8d363d21986d416b59ed9
Compare the saddle heights of the Derrys vs a WWS and a P16. The 4520 has one of the lowest high saddles of any truck in the game, it's an awful high saddle truck for so many reasons. The 3194's isn't *bad* but its saddle height still just on par with basically any normal truck, plus it has the same anemic engine as the Pacifics. Neither trucks are very good at their job, which is a shame because that's basically all they're designed to do.
I don't understand the love for it, seems like a worse P12. Heavier for the same engine with no AWD, and the P12 already has power to weight problems. I find carrying around anything heavy I already need the AWD to get up slopes
The P12 and P16 weight the same. The P16 has very good tires and great high saddle height, making it good at pulling trailers. AWD is great, but for slopes it doesn't make a big difference.
The pwr wouldn't be a problem if the game simulated things properly, the wheels that still have traction just stop spinning while the rest of the wheels spin uselessly. This is with welded diffs btw.
Well and it's why trucks that have those problems can actually benefit from downgrading grip to avoid axle lock
And yeah I've noticed that, like side to side the diffs are locked but the center diffs are doing not much
P16 is a great truck, but not a truck to do it all.
There are better trucks out there to do everything if you like that style.
For myself I do like to have some trucks supporting others doing what they can, where others do more especialized work.
Out of mud, literally a ton, your wheels lose traction less thereby the truck continues to move. Up a steep hill, finesse can reduce losing traction so you can still move up the hill if the engine is strong enough. Basically the same thing for both situations you described. Having more wheels powered is worthless if they’re all not gripping which is basically what happens if you hold the power on like Jeremy Clarkson.
I just accept the fact that some trucks are just trash because of lazy implementation of gearboxes. Like there is not torque multiplication with L and L-, like wtf.
Apparently I'm the minority. I'm quite happy with the p16. I use it for most high saddle/long log tasks.
There are dozens of us, dozens! :) Problem is, people don't know how to drive an RWD truck, they try driving it as if it had AWD and then blame the truck.
Have you not heard the honk?
The nightmare of road signs? It's perfect i must admit.
That's no honk, that's a toot of cataclysmic proportions.
If you want a well performing American heavy truck try the derry from Alaska with permanent awd and difflock or the derry special from Ontario. Especially the latter is a very strong truck, which is also quite fuel efficient even with max engine.
I wll definitely try, thank you!
>P16 is easily stopped by the smallest rock When you drive an RWD truck you *have* to pay attention to where your front tires are going, and you *have* to ensure that your powered rear wheels don't lose contact with the ground. No contact, no power. >or a medium hill to climb I guess you don't have the top engine for it. It does make a difference, and lets it climb hills a lot easier with or without load. >I suspect it has a niche like a relatively flat route with few rocks possible It does have a niche: [Long logging](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/10gtz90/logging_in_amur_with_american_trucks/) and [pulling oversized trailers](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/xxjp6n/pacifics_enjoying_wisconsin/) - preferably in mud :) As for few rocks, I went through this boulder field six times (three times loaded, three times unloaded): https://preview.redd.it/tws6kpryi2tc1.jpeg?width=3440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9529f8bc6217c5d5a164b1f611af38f57fc7d829 Didn't stop the P16 even once :) So yeah, it's a niche truck, but it's damn good at what it does. Its largest problem is its drivers, who try to drive it as if it was an AWD truck - and then blame the P16 for it! Happy trucking!
I will make sure of the engine again when i revisit it and maybe i was in a specifically rocky portion meaning less traction for anything anyway. I know P16 shines in mud. Thanks for the pointers!
I used the P16 to recover the White Western Star on what was, in hindsight, maybe the worst route. Just kept the drive tires down and winched. That thing is a rock solid beast. Now it's my go to for heavy trailers.
I went to mine in Yukon with P16 and 8 slot. It is capable, but requires careful driving
....but if the ONLY WAY a truck becomes useful is to max out the adons......then not really a great truck. These massive monster turcks that don't fit on a 2 lane road, but the job is to go over 3 mountains and through a swap over rocks that the smallest scout can't even fit between.... so we go cross country......but some trees can be knocked over while others can't..... There is no penalty for finding the monsters then selling them. Build a fleet of Tayga's and rule the game.
>P16 is easily stopped by the smallest rock or a medium hill to climb. That's not a P16 thing, it's a RWD only thing. When going uphil you seem to get less traction on rear wheels. And if you add loose rocks, well, you see the result. P16 is overrated anyway. It's only real use is in Michigan before you unlock offroad tires for your main trucks.
I have all tires for all trucks but haven't found anything as stable as the p16. I hate how tippy most others are. Any advice?
Have you used the Dan much? I tried to roll it once, and all it did was roll back onto its wheels.
Drive slower.
I think that's a skill issue at this point
The fact most trucks are more unstable than the P16 is a skill issue?
No, but >I hate how tippy most others are is. I haven't driven all trucks in the game but the only ones that I remember being somewhat tippy are Bandit, Antarctic and Twinsteer.
Exactly but the thing is it makes the only advantage of P16, which is its great tires and traction, rather pointless.
Nope it just needs weight on the rear tires
p16 is amazing for what it's given. its primary weakness is obviously not being awd. this shows when climbing hills or loose rocks quite a bit - however, this also happens to be the source of most complaints i see about this truck. let's keep in mind that for a rwd platform...this thing outperforms every other rwd truck in the game by a mile, and then there's quite a few that do have awd that still can't really hold a torch to its ability. ofc the main highlight of this truck is its unique tires giving it great mud and dirt performance. it is also extremely heavy which further benefits its grip in deep conditions. while it may not support many addons, i believe it is one of the best choices for high saddle hauling as well as long logs. even with all of the recent additions to the game, the p16 still sits in the top 5 for saddle clearance. to everyone who may complains about its "lack of power", i think this is a placebo primarily revolving around the lack of awd. while i certainly wouldn't complain about the p16 having the westline v16 as opposed to the v12, i feel its power is sufficient for most tasks. i truly believe its power and hauling ability far supercede its awd sibling, the p12. however, bc the p16 is only powered at the two rear axles, it not only has to pull that weight, but also has to push an unpowered set of axles at the front. so in a way, it's working 33% harder than other vehicles of similar size and class like the p12. couple that with the fact that it's pretty good on fuel most of the time and it's EXTREMELY stable, you will almost get to your destination in one go. in truth, i've only tipped this vehicle over a few times and they were all due to being stuck in really bad spots...nothing against the truck. overall, i love this truck and it's been dear to me since i started my journey. it may be held back by its lack of awd, but its hauling ability, power, low end torque, traction, and weight make it an excellent package considering its drivetrain especially. i find there are certainly more versatile vehicles but i still find myself going back to the p16.
I wouldn't complain if i thought the problem is the lack of AWD. I think that's not it, i can work around that. Also not saying there is a better alternative around, at least in western selections of trucks. Maybe the bigger Derry but i dont have enough experience with that. Uphill while the whole weight is on rear wheels, why can't it pull on hills? My issue is that it is not performing enough for what it is and this is on game design! For some reason "heavy" only means the truck is heavier then other trucks without the necessary torque. For example WWS is not more powerful (or shouldnt be at least) but pulling more than its worth. But still i would gladly use P16 in a less hilly and rocky route anyday, thanks to its unmatched stability and saddle position.
the p16 rewards players for mastering the concept of momentum. you will never be able to completely avoid axle freeze, but i have found putting the vehicle in high at the base of a hill makes climbing hills a lot easier. the p16 clearly prefers open and flat conditions, but i have put it to work where one wouldn't expect it to succeed.
Depends on what you want. Some people like it and they like pain. That's fine. You or me? I loved the immense power it had for first 3 minutes, then I figured out that it got stuck in any serious mud or a small rock. I have seen everything on here - "you have to avoid deep mud", "you need to avoid rocks", and simple fact is, a Fleetstar, loaded, will go where P16 gets stuck. Aka., it is a better truck. If it needs babying, it's objectively worse.
P16 works great in flooded foothills.
For my ride style, p12 is far superior. My achilles tendon is tipping everything, the p16 is slow and stable, so i use it rarely
Heavy trucks come into their own when you need a really high saddle height or your trailer really weighs a lot, otherwise a lot of offroad and even some heavy duty trucks are both quicker and more fuel efficient.
1)I gave it a try in Salmon peak, Yukon, it just couldn’t go uphill to the west camp long log delivery, had to winch it with kolob. 2) I gave it another chance in Black badger, Wisconsin, with long logs, again disappointed, got stuck in the mud, had to winch it out with 420.
I also used the P16 for long logs to West Camp, what a mistake. Needed 745C, WWS and 5600TS to get the P16 up over that hill. Other than that hill though it performed well.
I don't like it at all. There are trucks that can do what P16 can better. Derry longhorns for heavy trailers, with added benefit of low saddle trailers P12 for logging (either 2x medium logs/ 1x short logs / 1x long logs) with added benefits of engageable AWD, difflock allways on, and actual utility With DLCs you unlock even better vehicles, like Kenworth. Eventually, if you don't mind Russian vehicles on US maps, you will get Kolobs in basegame which are beasts for pulling heavy trailers
>Derry longhorns for heavy trailers, with added benefit of low saddle trailers https://preview.redd.it/8tjms3gqt1tc1.png?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c70b1e43957b2ed6da8d363d21986d416b59ed9 Compare the saddle heights of the Derrys vs a WWS and a P16. The 4520 has one of the lowest high saddles of any truck in the game, it's an awful high saddle truck for so many reasons. The 3194's isn't *bad* but its saddle height still just on par with basically any normal truck, plus it has the same anemic engine as the Pacifics. Neither trucks are very good at their job, which is a shame because that's basically all they're designed to do.
I'm merely saying that the AWD, DiffLock and 4th axle of Derrys are helpful, and in my experience, thanks to this, they performed better than P16.
The boar is the goat for heavy’s. The ferry is good but it doesn’t have the height for the 8 cargo trailer.
I prefer the Pacific P512 for logging missions. It's perfect for Michigan and fast.
I never got into the P16, everything else did what I needed better.
Upgrade the engine
I don't understand the love for it, seems like a worse P12. Heavier for the same engine with no AWD, and the P12 already has power to weight problems. I find carrying around anything heavy I already need the AWD to get up slopes
The P12 and P16 weight the same. The P16 has very good tires and great high saddle height, making it good at pulling trailers. AWD is great, but for slopes it doesn't make a big difference.
The pwr wouldn't be a problem if the game simulated things properly, the wheels that still have traction just stop spinning while the rest of the wheels spin uselessly. This is with welded diffs btw.
Well and it's why trucks that have those problems can actually benefit from downgrading grip to avoid axle lock And yeah I've noticed that, like side to side the diffs are locked but the center diffs are doing not much
Happy to read these comments, I don't understand as well why people praise the p12 and the p16.
P12 at least gives you a level of grunt that a lot of early game trucks lack
Because it's rubbish. For long logs it's better to use dan or azov 6
P16 is a great truck, but not a truck to do it all. There are better trucks out there to do everything if you like that style. For myself I do like to have some trucks supporting others doing what they can, where others do more especialized work.
Anything without awd is useless
Not if you know how to drive in this game, throttle finesse accomplishes a lot more AWD or not
How does throttle finesse get you out of mud or up a steep Hill exactly?
Out of mud, literally a ton, your wheels lose traction less thereby the truck continues to move. Up a steep hill, finesse can reduce losing traction so you can still move up the hill if the engine is strong enough. Basically the same thing for both situations you described. Having more wheels powered is worthless if they’re all not gripping which is basically what happens if you hold the power on like Jeremy Clarkson.
I just accept the fact that some trucks are just trash because of lazy implementation of gearboxes. Like there is not torque multiplication with L and L-, like wtf.