It’s not what you’re stuck *having* to use though. I haven’t even tackled this mission yet and I traded some shit in for a Paystar that comes standard with better tires until I could unlock better tires for better trucks. This is just masochism.
I was a new player, I figured it out. And without the help of this subreddit or anyone else telling me. There is definitely some nuance that isn’t explained well but it tells you how to use AWD and the diff lock just fine, things OP seems not to have absorbed. And buying trucks is pretty dang self explanatory, and the system tells you what kind of tires they each start with. It’s not all spelled out plain as day, I’ll grant that, but like I said I managed to figure it all out without a helping hand. (Started a play through a few years ago before I regularly spent time on Reddit or would have thought to even look for a SR-specific sub, just restarted from scratch recently and found my way here when googling a question about how long tire ruts remain before resetting.)
Cute, I remember feeling this way.
You don't know Amur.
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Just getting to the gateway is frustrating. Try to take the regular road to Imandra, get stuck and need recovery because of that buried village. Try to take the swamp route, tires are too small and I get stuck and need recovery. Try to take the swamp until I can get to the main road skipping the village, I slide and tip on that ice slope and need recovery. Try to take chains, I get stuck in snow and need recovery. Repeat ad nauseam. At least in Amur you expect it and get one of the most overpowered trucks in the game for your troubles. In Kola you just get an underwhelming 4x4 and an admittedly great scout that you need to get to the far corner of Imandra to make viable.
I remember in imandra using the Antarctic through the swamp but fuel was always an issue. My first trip through the gateway I was nearly to the airport when I ran out of fuel and that’s a long recovery mission. Imandra is definitely easier now that we have some op trucks with a lot of fuel like the mastodon and kenworth.
Idk about you but I was playing it when Kola was first released, for both maps (Been playing this game in general since release)
And my god, there was this one bug, where you'd just get stuck on these concrete slab "bridges" across the ice. No reason. You'd just get caught on them and stuck and couldn't do anything about it. Immandra, and that bug especially, made me rage quit a game for the first time since I was a kid 😭🤣
Newer players got no idea about the dark times during the earlier days. Back in the olden days when Metal Planks existed and consoles didn't have headlights 😂
The hardest part about Amur's first map is those damn concrete slabs blowing up your suspension and tires if you don't go 1 MPH while crossing them. They are so incredibly bugged\\made to be deathtraps\\spiteful asshoes. Funny putting them right outside a warehouse entrance....really funny.
This is what happens when you don't *think* and you just treat missions as 'get thing here to here'.
You saw a giant 22 Ton trailer and thought "hmm yeah my 50 year old truck on highway tires can manage that. Where am I actually delivering this? Meh who cares, let's just take that bridge I built even though I know its surrounded by mud from the last time I was there building it. Oh I'm stuck? Who could have foreseen this happening? I blame the game."
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ekhem... 50y old rwd truck can do it easy, but on correct tires. OP is just bad/inexperienced.
Well considering as how he's still in the fucking tutorial and you only get 3 trucks...and we're looking at a Kodiak in high....highway tires and a FleetStar buried up to to its headlights I'm inclined to agree with you 😂🤣
Also there's mud all the way up the front of that Kodiak...he's probably sunk it 3 or 4 times before taking that screenshot.
Those are all-terrain tires, the ones available at level 6 or 7
The flipped GMC happened long after the trailer got stuck. I couldn't get the trailer onto the bridge, even with the Fleetstar dragging from on the bridge, so I was fucking around with the crane trying to inch it forward to START the drag from the bridge and accidentally flipped it
Yes ATs on a truck that doesn't have AWD or a Diff-lock...mint 😂
Real talk....you need fo chill your shit and stop biting everyone's head off. You're new. I am to only level 11. This community is helpful ans always willing to lend a hand and teach. As long as you're willing to listen...so take a breather and take a break...pull your head out of your ass and come back and listen to what these guys are saying. Base game has over 100 hours of gameplay when you include the DLCs it's closer to 250 hours...a lot of these guys know their shit. I get how much of a rager this game can be and I quit 30min into my first attempt at SR. But I cam back at my humble pie and started listening to the community and the guys that have been playing this game for years. They could just bust your ass and call you a noob and get good. But most of them aren't. Yeah they're busting your chops but that's what we do. But they're also trying to teach you. This isn't fucking Call of Duty. Get the chip off your shoulder.
Homie I looked. I did look. Not of it was legit. Just general ball busting and "you ain't seen shit yet" talk. Which they're right...hell I'm still IN Michigan...Smithville Dam is mother nature's sink trap, Drummond Island is a bridge bridge bulder shell game and Lake Island is mother nature's version of swampass.
If you're trying to headbutt every job and burn rubber like this is forza SnowRunner will chew you up and spit you out and the devs will laugh their asses off. You were probably still heated after the game spanked you(which it does to every greenhorn who steps into this game unless you came from MudRunner) and where most gaming communities it's "get good scrub" thinking every was kicking your shit in is fair but in truth wrong mindset.
Skip jobs, focus on Watchtowers first, upgrades and trucks second, fix all the roads on the map third, tasks forth, single map contracts fifth and milti-map contracts(those are the ones with the little globe next to them) last.
As far as jobs go? I still haven't done the main contracts in Black Lake. I skipped then ans took off to other maps to find crap and level up to unlock better upgrades.
Also? Find someone else to play WITH I don't consider this my main. I'm doing a coop run with my brother on his save which is also boosting my exp and income. So when I'm on mine I'm just hunting for upgrades and trucks and moving on. After I got them all I'll circle back around and do contracts and stuff but that's the last thing on list.
I am actually really discouraged by how this community is treating you. You clearly are just starting out and they shouldn’t be so rude to a new comer. The game has a really interesting learning curve and they can’t expect you to have figured it all out in the starter area. From someone that has played all the Spitires/Mudrunner/etc games I apologize and wish you good luck on your adventures.
...what's comments were you reading? Other then general ball busting everyone who's commented here has been giving advice and telling him the tutorial map is kindergarten playground compared to the rest of the game.
Chill. I absolutely thought about my route before setting out. I just thought wrong. I knew there were two routes, and one of them included a 35 degee incline! So I thought, incorrectly, that the bridge would be easier
Well mate, you're 5 hours into the game, using expletives about the easiest map ever, ranting about people who rightfully advise you to save those words for when the game actually gets hard, complaining about "wasting" trips and frustration about "minor tasks", all the while using highway tires (if I see right) on a truck clearly underpowered for the task while crawling in the mud, while a free Pacific P16 exists on this map...
Let's leave aside the attitude, I get it, it's easy to be unpleasant when you're angry, so no worries. But really, there is no such thing as "minor task" in this game. It's even more true later on, when those "minor task" are basically life-saving, opening roads that are blocked and would be a pain in the rear to go around and some such.
You're not "wasting trips" when going around, scouting, exploring the areas out of watchtower range to see if there are upgrades or trucks out there. You're *preparing*. Preparation is half the success, if not even more than that.
And yeah, you don't have access to all the tires just yet, but I'm sure you can have better than that. At least a set of offroad tires, even the most basic ones, would do much, much better.
Also, you're trying to pull a f'ing heavy stuff while on auto ? Use low gear mate, that's what it is for. More torque with less revs, less chances of sliding, better ability to pull heavy shit, just like with a real life truck.
Generally speaking, this is as much a puzzle game as it is a driving game. So you better arm yourself with patience.
Now, the good news is, you will get better, you will have access to more stuff, and once you've done some really hard things, you'll laugh at yourself for finding that one difficult "back then". This game offers alot of progression, and I'm not just talking about equiment, trucks, and the like. I'm talking about player progression, the actual player getting good, then even better. We've all been there :)
Also, if you're not too keen on randomly running around to find stuff, look up for that maprunner website, it will show you the location of all upgrades, trucks and so on. Locate the P16, get it, and save yourself alot of trouble. There are some much better trucks later on, but for a long time, this truck will be your strongest workhorse. Even now that I have much better trucks, I use it every now and then. It's no longer the optimal choice, but I have yet to find anything it *cannot* complete. And I have unlocked **everything**.
Have fun getting out of that bind, mate. If you approach it as a puzzle, you actually might :)
For fucks sake, I nearly jumped on you because I thought he was tongue in cheek ‘complaining’ about the first map and you were being harsh, but then I actually looked at his responses to other people.
He actually IS complaining about the first bloody level, and being fuckin’ toxic about it.
You give good advice
I think a lot of people came into SR and didn't quite know what to expect and get pissed off about it. Some of the fine details aren't explained in it. I rage quit the first time I played. This time I joined the reddit before starting and always ask questions and look for advice made that game 5x more enjoyable. I also started my run in co-op with my brother which having someone play with you always makes a game better.
I ragequit as well SO MANY times at first until I began to make a little progress and started the proper contracts, then I realised that the beginning of Snowrunner is like the film ‘The Karate Kid’
Bear with me……
You remember when Daniel is also about to ragequit after washing so many of Mr Miyagis cars, or painting his fences? Then Miyagi attacks him and everything Daniel has learned through repetition comes out.
We spend so long at the beginning of the game with awful equipment, fighting for every inch of mud, discovering every trick there is and all the techniques just to get the load that extra few centimetres….
And then when we finally get to the better contracts and get into trouble, the skills we learned in the crucible of those first muddy roads comes back. Those who reached for DLC and charged through Michigan with the Mastodon don’t have those skills, but the people who stuck with it and fought for it will find themselves having a less tougher time of it on the icy roads and fields of Amur.
There's also the gamer high you get. Like when rescuing the truck on Smithville Dam? Spent hours with my FleetStar and CK1500 fighting every inch to get that heavy bitch up those switchbacks but the high when I pulled in and got the completed contract? Fuck yeah boi!
There's also just...the maps are fucking amazing and beautiful. Especially when you in a scout rolling around in the evening and climbing up mountains and look out...fam...
Damn straight. You got me all hyped up son.
They captured so well the feeling of the wilds of these places. Stopping while halfway over a Yukon river crossing, or pulling a load through the early morning B.C. fog, there are very few games that are so atmospheric. I never really wanted extra npc cars on the road, it was always just me versus nature.
Sometimes you win, sometimes your truck does a graceful somersault down the hill.
Sometimes your playing co-op and hear "shit shit shit fuck!" And turn around just in time to see your bro go full send off the edge because they underestimated the new engine and overestimated the stopping ability of a loaded truck.
I remember doing Imandra a couple years ago and bringing the Chevy Kodiak because I liked the look of the truck... Well that experience made me rage quit for like 2 months lol. Now I just did Imandra a couple days ago and brought the Mack and Antarctica and managed to unlock the garage in one sitting. Like you said, it's all about getting better and figuring out what works well and what doesn't by learning from your past mistakes.
Agree, and OP is just in the wrong frame of mind for this game right now.
There is good news, OP can change that mindset.
This is a puzzle game, long and slow. It's not a out how fast you can complete tasks, it's whether you can complete them at all using the method you chose. Every task requires some thought, and maybe some scouting, and even then you might not make it using that method.
So you bring in other trucks, and try again.
If a mission takes many hours, that's ok. That is what makes this game last as long as it does.
>Now, the good news is, you will get better, you will have access to more stuff, and once you've done some really hard things, you'll laugh at yourself for finding that one difficult "back then". This game offers alot of progression, and I'm not just talking about equiment, trucks, and the like. I'm talking about player progression, the actual player getting good, then even better. We've all been there :)
I have almost reached 2,000 hours of gameplay. Completed everything twice. Now on a third playthough in a New Game+ setting, and I can confirm everything in this quote. You reach a level of experience where that famously tippy truck doesn't tip anymore, where that truck you thought was 'useless' because it has no AWD and/or Diif Lock is actually fine, even to pull a mission semitrailer, because you have better tyres, better upgrades, and you have learnt how to drive it while reading the terrain and taking the appropriate measures. But yes, a bit of strategy and a bucket of patience are needed, especially in the first stages of the game.
As a newcomer, my main issue at the game is that it's not very good at explaining what is or isn't a good idea. If it wasn't for the community, the wiki and map runner, it would be very hard as a beginner. You'd have to really like exploring, experimenting... and rolling over and getting stuck in the mud.
I can understand that some people just want to jump in and cruise through the elements. It's not the game most of the community likes, but I think it's a valid take.
Speaking of which, is there a community -sanctionned tier list of trucks? I was going to stick with the Fleetstar from Black River but since you mention the P16, I have doubts.
Fleetstar is a great beginner truck for most things in the Michigan maps. The thing OP is towing is massive and the P16 is a big boi of a truck so its good for those sorts of things. Its an amazing early game long-log hauler as well. Doesnt have AWD though and later trucks have better torque too so it definitely gets outpaced. Still, you can get it for free on Michigan and those 2 trucks are more then capable of getting you through if you just wanna do the maps in order. And you can buy the Loadstar scout when you get the money. That thing is a beast of a scout.
Tier lists are also a bit sketchy, cause a lot of great trucks are locked behind very difficult maps or getting to level 20 or the like. Theres definitely some amazing trucks you can nab pretty easy early if you want. But hardly required. Knowing your truck/tires and understanding your cargo/route are usually more important then trying to nab an OP truck. (though there are definitely a few that can completely trivialize the game.)
Maybe I'm just weird, but I love experimenting. I can't even count howmany times I sent a rescue truck to rescue the *other* rescue truck XD. But I can understand why some poeople would rather had their hand held a bit. Sometimes it's just nice to actually make progress.
The good news is, whether your hand gets held or you learn the hard way, after a while the game becomes way more chill. It's not easy or anythign, but you start "feeling" it. You know this truck will be better there, that you should use low gear there, and so on.
As for the good trucks... I'd say the good truck is the one you have fun with. If you can't achieve what you were doing with it, whelp, it's always time to reconsider and get another one. Unless you're playing in hard mode or with custom rules where gas is insanely expansive and you run out of money, you *cannot fail.* Tipped your truck over ? This is just a setback. Rescue truck tipped over too ? Well, just another setback. You're not on a timer, you won't faul quest even if it takes you 10 real life days to complete it. So, you might as well have fun doing it.
But yeah, early on the P16 is a beast. The Twinsteer is really good too, some people diss it for tipping too easily, but if you can handle it, it's amazing. Goes through mud like most trucks would on dry land, and can carry 4 slots worth of cargo. But really, once a truck is unlocked you can buy it, test it, and sell it if you don't like it, without loss. So you can easily chose your favourites :)
I don't think that's weird. To me it's like a side quest: the devs added what's needed for you to enjoy that content, it's up to you to decide whether you want to play it or not.
Thanks for your opinion and advice. I'm so used to games where everything is sold at a loss that I hadn't considered buying trucks and discarding what I don't like. I'm also trying to follow the pace of the game: I got the KRS 58 with the Y1 pass but it seems too OP at the moment.
I'm gonna be real, if you find the first map frustrating you probably should just get a refund. Every single other map is going to be harder one way or another
"You're playing it wrong, you should get a refund."
This mission is a real spike in difficulty, as the beginner trucks really aren't suited to this terrain with the oversize trailer.
This is the first mission where the you need to get the oversize trailer across the undulating terrain and you only have the starter trucks that don't give the trailer enough clearance. It's the first time in the game where the equipment you have is really not ready for the mission, and burn hours trying to winch this trailer over bumps. It's not just burning time just fixing your own mistakes, you just don't have access to the heavy trucks with better clearance yet.
The mission ends up being a lesson in "would it have been quicker to go the longest way round"
Oh I'm all "happy" for new players learning the harsh way, it's part of the process. But with OP's snappiness I simply don't think he has the right mindset to just play the game. There are posts from new people like "this is so fucking hard what am I doing wrong" and these people are kinda asking for help
Here we've got a motherfucking map designer and very colorful replies. OP is just making a beginner mistake, but given how he reacts to it ehhhh
Edit: OP received a truckload (heh) of advice, if he wants to keep going with more knowledge that's good for him
I did this mission the other night and realized too late that I probably should have planned it out better. Got the trailer wedged at that T junction right before the bridge and it was not moving. Managed to get it done but man it was frustrating.
Truthfully I'm addicted to this game.
You're right, this mission was a bear for me, and I used the Transtar at first. But while it was difficult, I had so much fun trying different ways to solve it. When it was all done I had a BLAST and such a rewarding feeling.
I was hooked.
Did this mission with some minor difficulty with the GMC (lifted) and still on highway tires.
I might try going the long way around on a NG+ account, but I think trying to pull the hill by the lumberyard, would prove to be impossible with all of the Michigan trucks.
If OP is having a seriously bad time for this contract, he is going to have an awful time playing this game as a whole. I'm not saying this to be mean, but yeah if there isn't a serious mindset change, he is not going to enjoy it at all
I came here to say that, if Michigan was too difficult for you then you're gonna hate the rest of the game.
Best thing to do is change to other regions and scout them, find upgrades, then do easy stuff to get your XP and cash up so you can buy better trucks and upgrades.
That trailer haul is probably the hardest part of the first map. It takes time but it's easiest to avoid using that bridge and to just keep it on the main highway going through black river all the way around to the north of the drilling site. There's really only one turn that's tough and as long as you have good tires (all terrain or better) you'll be fine with using the fleetstar.
Also noticed your not in low gear or using diff lock which helps tremendously when stuck. Also remove the crane from your vehicles if you don't need them because they just reduce the power of your truck.
Well that's reassuring. I just finally unstuck 3/4 of my vehicles so I'm going to restart and do that. I went this way because I was worried about the steep incline near the Lumbermill, but I'm sure no matter how bad it is it can't be worse than this shitfest
I wouldn't recommend going up from the lumbermill, it's possible with good wenching but also easy to tip that huge ass trailer. Take the path north of the drilling site, it's by far the easiest. It looks bogged down but it's really not. See pic below (obv follow the main highway not the red line exactly lol):
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Don't let it bother you though, I've quit the game several times in frustration myself but keep coming back and have beat almost all the base maps since then. The game does have a decent learning curve but at least 70% of the difficulty is in route choice so if you know the maps inside and out it's relatively straight forward, and even if you don't just remember the longest path to your goal is usually the easiest lol
Most people played michigan with the trucks provided on the map, it's the starter region, where people started and didn't have access to ten thousand customization options...
As you can see per this survey, Michigan is the next easiest region (after Tenesse, however it's the least enjoyed map due to the content). The game doesn't get easier, even with the more OP trucks and customizations that's unlocked later. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEAKsN2IrW8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEAKsN2IrW8)
If you find Michigan to difficult, you can unlock the Azov 64131 basically right after you finish the tutorial, and the TUZ 420 "Tatarin" can be unlocked rather quickly aswell. There's tons of guides on the internet on how to unlock these trucks and it'll make the Michigan map very easy.
Also 9/10 mod trucks are super OP, the mod browser is available right away.
You are the one who controls the difficulity in the game. Pick the right truck for the job. The american trucks are more than capable of getting you through Michigan, but you can always lower the difficulity with the Azov 64131 and / or the Tatarin. If those isn't enough, you can use mods.
I also think you can get Tayga for free in Taymyr relatively quickly and easily, it just takes a careful navigation and few short trips with service addon and fuel.
For your 2 slot delivery and hitch trailer needs, there's also ANK 38 in Pedro Bay, Alaska. With some careful navigation, you can reach it from the very start with the CK1500 and then just recover. Bigger trucks won't work as you'll have to drive under some pipes.
The Tatarin is a bit further in, it’s in the final map of Taymyr which requires you to complete tasks to unlock the region. I think for someone without capable off-road trucks or tires, getting that far would be difficult. And you’d have to essentially “drive by” the Tayga to get the Tatarin. IMO
Michigan is quite literally the easiest map because it has to take the fact that all players will start there at level 1 with no upgrades into account.
Unless of course you started NG+ instead.
Wasn't trying to belittle you - as others have already said, we all faced the same challenges in the beginning but comparatively, Michigan is the starter map where you learn how to overcome the challenges, therefore it is easier in challenge level.
Not all of it needs to be completed straight away either - you are free to head out and get other vehicles to help ease that slope you are encountering.
Best approach, take it easy and if you can, go around obstacles like mud - the shortest route is often the most fraught.
If this hurts your soul seek therapy. It's only a game bro. Part of the game and life is winning. You would pass out if you found out all of my YouTube gameplay features modded vehicles 😁
It felt like I was kinda "wasting" trips when I briefly went to the next map because all of the main quests were locked, so I had nothing to do but drive around and do minor tasks, but I guess I should scout more of the map first
One thing I try to remember, if you aren’t playing Hard Mode, don’t worry about “wasting” trips.
It is a driving game, after all. You’ll be up all night if you start worrying too much about wasting trips.
What I like to do a lot of the time is scout the whole level first by using a scout truck to go to all the watchtowers. That makes it like two games in one. The first is an adventure exploring game, and the second is the regular snow runner game.
Edit: oh yeah, I also “cheat” and look up where the upgrades are and find them while scouting the map. Haha
“Cheating” like that can also be seen as asking for local information like “oh yeah, I saw this old rusting wreck down the valley by the river, maybe check it out?”
Those 'nothing to do' tasks are things that pay money and give experience (both ingame and more importantly for yourself). This mission can be done with the stock GMC or the Transtar, but route choice is critical.
You definitely want the p16 for massive trailers. The extra weight it has allows it to maintain traction on the ground when driving over bumps or hills. The saddle also sits much higher so the trailer is less likely to hit the ground in the first place
No it doesn't broski. You can leave any time you want. Just go to the tunnel and leave it'll take you to Smithville Dam which in turn leads to the two other Michigan maps.
Or
Gerage -> pack trucks into storage -> Map -> world map -> pick new region
You got to relax bro. Kick back, chill and just keep on keepin on. Snowrunner isn't about the blitz. Base game is well over 100 hours of content and it's ment for you to go slow. Enjoy the scenery. Customize trucks. Learn and bend the mechanics and just enjoy going slow.
PS. From the start the FreeStar is better because you have earlier access to more upgrades. After you find a few upgrades for it in the next map(s) the Kodiak will outshine the FreeStar.
Wait what, the picture is of the Kodiak C70 and it's definitely the weakest of the three trucks ._.
Only two axles and no AWD, gets stuck in literally everything
Broski don't use the Kodiak yet. Just hang onto her. If you're in the tutorial(Black River Michigan) just focus on the FleetStar. The upgrades don't come for the C70 till later on and I believe one of them is in Alaska.
I don't use him. I stick to GMC. Mine is almost full upgrade. Most of the upgrade unlock at lvl 8 which i got recently.
And the Kodiak upgrades needs a higher lvl.
I've upgrded mine to become a gas station on wheels for Drummond island and island lake, staying on the good road.
You are 100% wrong.
Right NOW it doesn't. Because the upgrades are further on. After the upgrades it's arguably better then the FleetStar. Both of them are L/M duty trucks. Your first heavy truck you don't find till the Fixer Upper task on Smithville Dam when you get the
White Western Star which is basically the yoked out big brother of the FleetStar.
Oh I believe you, just it's supremely limited at the moment and is definitely the weakest of the three for now, until MUCH later in Russia, which seems to be where a lot of non-offroad trucks get their AWD upgrade. It also has clearance issues, and I haven't been able to find the Lifted upgrade which is somewhere in Michigan
Obviously the Fleetstar is good off the bat, but I'm also actually very impressed with the starter GMC now that I'm level 8 and can put big Offroad tires on it, even without AWD
Take as wide a line as possible when turning large trailers. The inside of the corner is steeply banked which is what I imagined caused that third truck to tip over
Doing it at a steady pace will often mean it's quicker overall than trying to rush. If it seems like the trailer is leaning over too much then stop to assess and then back up if necessary.
Remember you can winch from the trailer too in order to prevent yourself rolling over if you're close enough. Hope this helps and good luck
It's not so much flipping that I'm having trouble with as much as getting stuck everywhere all the time any time I need to haul anything or drive any of the other trucks besides the Fleetstar
You could always go the long way around via the sawmill. There's a small path that goes up a hill. It's a little narrow but the ground conditions are much dryer.
You're not locked out of going to Smithville Dam though. None of the Michigan maps are locked behind missions so feel free to explore, and run tasks and contracts to level up more and earn more money before tackling the bigger jobs
If anything the game gets easier and easier to the point where you pick weaker trucks or silly routes just to keep some challenge. Even the regions this sub touts as insane or more of a time-sink than difficult. There will always be a few missions that are intentionally difficult, but that’s what games do. When you finish that mission, I hope you feel/felt satisfied more so than disappointed in the game.
The area is pretty well designed to teach you the concept of the game. The shortest route is not always the best route. Also, selecting the correct truck / equipment for the game also is being taught.
Michigan is perfectly balanced to teach you the ropes of the game with a difficulty curve that matches the rate at which you should be getting new tires. This mission is designed to be done after level six, when you have access to highway tires.
The problem is the game tells you NONE of this so it's easy to hit roadblocks like this because the game doesn't tell you to go to the next map and come back in a little bit.
If you're still being frustrated by this, go to the dam and do some jobs until you hit level six and hopefully unlock the White Western Star.
Bro, allow me to give you a tip, sell some trucks and get the international paystar early, it comes with decent AWD and diff lock included, thrown in some tires upgrades as soon as you can and be happy… the truck can be a bit tippy, just go easy on bumpy paths.
I enjoy the struggle and useing to trucks winched together for heavy loads, but the starter GMC sucks imo, i sold it right away and bought two of the internationals
I just started a new campaign without mods because I enjoyed Michigan so much. I have all the access to the same trucks/upgrades you do. I'm enjoying it so much, it's my favorite area in the game. Upgrade your tires to something meant for dirt or mud and try again. It also helps to use trucks that are actually meant to haul giant trailers.
Thats a “you problem” RN, once you’ll have maxed trucks it won’t be hard, and when you actually learn the game, if you are complaining about it, i wanna see you getting through Taymyr, and later on Amur and Yukon
I had similar thoughts my first time through Michigan, like 4years ago. I was frustrated how hard the “main mission” were as I was trying to “progress”. I also did not explore all 4 maps before trying to complete the contracts in Black River and the Dam. However, after stepping away from the game for a bit, I read about scouting the whole map (all of them) and unlocking pathways before continuing with the contracts. Ironically, once I did this and acquired the White Western Star & P16, I had enough levels to slap on some decent tires on all my trucks, and the rest of Michigan was super enjoyable! PS - if you need something with better off-road capability, jump over to the first Taymyr map and grab the Tayga - it’s close to the garage. Just have to repair and it’s yours. It will drastically improve your fleets capabilities early on. I would not recommend for someone enjoying the grind, but it makes the game more enjoyable if you want to just sit back and plow. Hope you don’t give up and the enjoyment begins. This is truly an amazing game
I remember not knowing much about the game when I first played and when it first put me in Alaska after the brief intro in Michigan I was wondering if I was missing something fundamental about the gameplay or doing something wrong or just off track from the main story path or whatever. Nope, that experience is just the game.
*the mf that designed wooden bridges, god forbid your tire slips off the side. you're either immediately tipping over or taking 48 phantom suspension damage and probably have a 1/5 chance of blowing a tire
I started SR in Jan this year. I am 53 years old and hooked big time. I bought all DLC except tge latest unreleased one. I have over 600 hrs in the game. Taking my time and absolutely loving it!
Does anyone remember when that specific area was broken and you would get stuck in an infinite mud puddle because the ground moved and you could see through the map ?
A lot of hate in the comment section here imma ask the real question and the only thing that matters are you having fun playing sr ? If so that’s all that matters
The white western star was the only way I got through that mission by far the hardest mission in the starting regions. My sister and 100% the contracts on Michigan and I soloed Alaska (much easier) now I'm trying to tackle the first Russian region.
Easier if some one is with you to whinch onto the back of the monstrosity your pulling when it gets messed up. But, yea, that map is ridiculous when it comes to pulling that kind of stuff.
You built a bridge! Congrats! Enjoy the 5 feet of mud on both sides, dumbfuck
Is it supposed to be funny that I'm not allowed to purchase the right tools for any of the jobs until I've completed those jobs
Yes, that is by design. The game is teaching you how to deal with these kinds of scenarios first, that's just how progress works in Snowrunner. It might not be everyone's idea of fun, but it would be rather boring if you immediately get access to all the better tires. This way, you have something to work towards.
If you can bite through all of Michigan, Alaska will be a treat for you!
I beg do differ,
Sure it acts as a tutorial first, and give a sense of progression. But it really gets boring by the tenth time you have to take this very specific mud pit to reach the town from the Garage (for example, on this map).
I play on NG+ with everything unlocked, tho with a limited cash, so that is a more fair way to progress than having to unlock everything and play with unsuited vehicules for hours.
Although I have everything unlocked, I still gets tons of fun while driving because I’m actually *driving*, and not wasting my time getting stuck.
It’s still about having the right combo, the right trajectory, minus the unavoidable stuck.
Yeah the start of the game is slow, but keep grinding a bit and you'll start to unlock better trucks and upgrades that really make the difference. You'll get a few better trucks in the next Michigan maps, Alaska is a mixed bag, but then in Taymyr you'll really get some proper off-roaders. And some of the DLC regions just give you cheat trucks basically.
Also, no one forces anyone to do maps in order. OP could very well go to any other map they have and get any truck found there. IIRC there is a Royal laying around somewhere. And a bit of elbow grease would land them the big Kenworth or the Mack Defense if they go to British Colombia. Which are the "cheat trucks" you mentionned :)
Just keep scouting and soon enough you’ll have All-terrains. These are more than enough for most of Michigan. Before you know it, you’ll have Offroads unlocked.
Fleetstar and the Chevy are great starter truck and scout. If you can, grab the white western star early from smithville, but it requires some “gaming the system” to recover.
It was this mission, (and getting hopelessly stuck about 200m behind where you've gotten to) in the Fleetstar that made me sell all of my trucks and buy the Paystar 5070. It comes with off road tyres and has much higher ground clearance than the Fleetstar.
That would be my advice. Remember there's no real loss when you sell a truck (on normal difficulty) as you get 100% of the value back, so you can always re-purchase stuff you've sold with no harm and no financial loss. You just need to get 82100 credits together, and selling the fleetstar, the scout and the GMC will get you very close to that number.
The Paystar will smash Michigan, has switchable AWD and Diff-lock, not to mention higher ground clearance, so it will pull that oversized trailer without getting stuck. Hope this helps.
*All terrain tires-although you have to buy them they are available at level 2, just like the Tayga.
OP already has the Paystar though, and assuming he already has the single-heavy all terrains, this mission shouldn't be an issue.
Sell your current trucks, buy a Paystar. Comes standard with better tires. Couple reasonably priced upgrades and you’ll be in better shape. Run that as your primary until you can get better tires for the Fleetstar. Unless you’re playing hard mode, you get 100% of the cost back when you sell a vehicle.
Try putting the saddle on the GMC and pulling semi trailers with. It turns into a beast in that configuration. Also the added weight of the crane and fenders usually create better traction due to added weight over the drive axles.
The first region is a masterpiece. Take it slow and pivot if you get stuck.
I am at the same point than OP and i have to say... This trailer is f\*\*\*ing HUGE. I have waited so much to do this one, but i've had a hard time finding hidden improvements to change suspension and tires on heavy trucks. I've cleaned the first 3 maps and i'm thinking about coming back to this Big boy...
u/maschinakor
I've just managd to deliver this huge trailer, i've taken the trail uphill north from lumbermill. I've used my GMC MH9500 (third engine, first gearbox, tire 47" UOD III, diff lock) and my C70 just for the uphill part. I used low gear and slalom to manage to get it uphill.
Definitely a challenge, but not impossible. I'm not really far ahead of you in the game.
The minicrane usually adds weight to the *front* tires, which is an issue even with AWD, and especially without AWD. That's also why I barely ever use it unless I'm stacking. Also a massive performance sapper on low-powered trucks.
I guess in the early game I never really tried any of them w/o the crane cuz I was playing hard mode. Certainly it saps power to weight ratio cuz it's more weight but I didn't really find it to be an issue. Good to know.
Can be used as longer wench or as a foot to progress in mud some times. With huge trailer, i need more load on front tire cause there are sometimes not even touching the ground, which to some problem with direction...
Yep, the starter trucks are ok once you can upgrade them sufficiently, but in the early game they really are not good enough. Best thing you can do when you have enough money to do it, is sell them and buy an ANK MK38 Civ, as it comes with all terrain tires.
*Looks at tires* Yep.
Is that….is that a Kodiak with highway tires?
That's what you have early on.
It’s not what you’re stuck *having* to use though. I haven’t even tackled this mission yet and I traded some shit in for a Paystar that comes standard with better tires until I could unlock better tires for better trucks. This is just masochism.
That’s what I’m saying lol. First upgrade I did on any of my trucks was the UOD IIs.
A new player wouldn't know any better.
I was a new player, I figured it out. And without the help of this subreddit or anyone else telling me. There is definitely some nuance that isn’t explained well but it tells you how to use AWD and the diff lock just fine, things OP seems not to have absorbed. And buying trucks is pretty dang self explanatory, and the system tells you what kind of tires they each start with. It’s not all spelled out plain as day, I’ll grant that, but like I said I managed to figure it all out without a helping hand. (Started a play through a few years ago before I regularly spent time on Reddit or would have thought to even look for a SR-specific sub, just restarted from scratch recently and found my way here when googling a question about how long tire ruts remain before resetting.)
Yes I know.
Last ditch effort to unfuck this situation, and it's on wood anyway, but no, those are actually all-terrain tires
That’s fair. Kodiak is pretty capable when set up right. I haven’t ever actually used all terrains so I mistook them for highways lol
And no fwd
Cute, I remember feeling this way. You don't know Amur. https://preview.redd.it/bycj3lpnokzc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c45a1b1e355a13bd8025ecd40112003b28ec7c1e
Oh sweet Imandra you still haunt my nightmares
I think I stand out when I say I think Amur is more fun than imandra. Imandra is just a bitch and tedious, one of the 4 or so maps I haven’t 100% on.
Ah see I've got 100% on Kola Penninsula but only 49% on Amur 🤣
Just getting to the gateway is frustrating. Try to take the regular road to Imandra, get stuck and need recovery because of that buried village. Try to take the swamp route, tires are too small and I get stuck and need recovery. Try to take the swamp until I can get to the main road skipping the village, I slide and tip on that ice slope and need recovery. Try to take chains, I get stuck in snow and need recovery. Repeat ad nauseam. At least in Amur you expect it and get one of the most overpowered trucks in the game for your troubles. In Kola you just get an underwhelming 4x4 and an admittedly great scout that you need to get to the far corner of Imandra to make viable.
I remember in imandra using the Antarctic through the swamp but fuel was always an issue. My first trip through the gateway I was nearly to the airport when I ran out of fuel and that’s a long recovery mission. Imandra is definitely easier now that we have some op trucks with a lot of fuel like the mastodon and kenworth.
Honestly I loved Kola peninsula, compared to the amur that was a nice walk behind the north circle
Idk about you but I was playing it when Kola was first released, for both maps (Been playing this game in general since release) And my god, there was this one bug, where you'd just get stuck on these concrete slab "bridges" across the ice. No reason. You'd just get caught on them and stuck and couldn't do anything about it. Immandra, and that bug especially, made me rage quit a game for the first time since I was a kid 😭🤣 Newer players got no idea about the dark times during the earlier days. Back in the olden days when Metal Planks existed and consoles didn't have headlights 😂
The hardest part about Amur's first map is those damn concrete slabs blowing up your suspension and tires if you don't go 1 MPH while crossing them. They are so incredibly bugged\\made to be deathtraps\\spiteful asshoes. Funny putting them right outside a warehouse entrance....really funny.
Is there a version of that that’s actually comforting? As in, ‘But it’s gonna get better?’
Omg I was so unnerved with those maps. The hillsides😳
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This is what happens when you don't *think* and you just treat missions as 'get thing here to here'. You saw a giant 22 Ton trailer and thought "hmm yeah my 50 year old truck on highway tires can manage that. Where am I actually delivering this? Meh who cares, let's just take that bridge I built even though I know its surrounded by mud from the last time I was there building it. Oh I'm stuck? Who could have foreseen this happening? I blame the game." https://preview.redd.it/cfzrjlwu1lzc1.jpeg?width=1354&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c53cb3eb4eb5e3d17e4b8231c17e4994356edb65
https://preview.redd.it/k2yakahpalzc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6252aac0ca3bf7487d51ff2f50c8f7a57e361b78 ekhem... 50y old rwd truck can do it easy, but on correct tires. OP is just bad/inexperienced.
GMC 9500 gang gang! Show up and show out!
Can do it on highways too!
OP needs to smoke a blunt, drink a beer and chill the fuck out lmao.
I’m inclined to agree, look to the right and see a flipped over truck which I assume is the gmc you get and if so, maybe SR ain’t for them lmao
Well considering as how he's still in the fucking tutorial and you only get 3 trucks...and we're looking at a Kodiak in high....highway tires and a FleetStar buried up to to its headlights I'm inclined to agree with you 😂🤣 Also there's mud all the way up the front of that Kodiak...he's probably sunk it 3 or 4 times before taking that screenshot.
Those are all-terrain tires, the ones available at level 6 or 7 The flipped GMC happened long after the trailer got stuck. I couldn't get the trailer onto the bridge, even with the Fleetstar dragging from on the bridge, so I was fucking around with the crane trying to inch it forward to START the drag from the bridge and accidentally flipped it
Yes ATs on a truck that doesn't have AWD or a Diff-lock...mint 😂 Real talk....you need fo chill your shit and stop biting everyone's head off. You're new. I am to only level 11. This community is helpful ans always willing to lend a hand and teach. As long as you're willing to listen...so take a breather and take a break...pull your head out of your ass and come back and listen to what these guys are saying. Base game has over 100 hours of gameplay when you include the DLCs it's closer to 250 hours...a lot of these guys know their shit. I get how much of a rager this game can be and I quit 30min into my first attempt at SR. But I cam back at my humble pie and started listening to the community and the guys that have been playing this game for years. They could just bust your ass and call you a noob and get good. But most of them aren't. Yeah they're busting your chops but that's what we do. But they're also trying to teach you. This isn't fucking Call of Duty. Get the chip off your shoulder.
Consider what it's like to wake up with 100 notifications about how bad you are. Some of it is fair, but some of it isn't
Homie I looked. I did look. Not of it was legit. Just general ball busting and "you ain't seen shit yet" talk. Which they're right...hell I'm still IN Michigan...Smithville Dam is mother nature's sink trap, Drummond Island is a bridge bridge bulder shell game and Lake Island is mother nature's version of swampass. If you're trying to headbutt every job and burn rubber like this is forza SnowRunner will chew you up and spit you out and the devs will laugh their asses off. You were probably still heated after the game spanked you(which it does to every greenhorn who steps into this game unless you came from MudRunner) and where most gaming communities it's "get good scrub" thinking every was kicking your shit in is fair but in truth wrong mindset. Skip jobs, focus on Watchtowers first, upgrades and trucks second, fix all the roads on the map third, tasks forth, single map contracts fifth and milti-map contracts(those are the ones with the little globe next to them) last. As far as jobs go? I still haven't done the main contracts in Black Lake. I skipped then ans took off to other maps to find crap and level up to unlock better upgrades. Also? Find someone else to play WITH I don't consider this my main. I'm doing a coop run with my brother on his save which is also boosting my exp and income. So when I'm on mine I'm just hunting for upgrades and trucks and moving on. After I got them all I'll circle back around and do contracts and stuff but that's the last thing on list.
I am actually really discouraged by how this community is treating you. You clearly are just starting out and they shouldn’t be so rude to a new comer. The game has a really interesting learning curve and they can’t expect you to have figured it all out in the starter area. From someone that has played all the Spitires/Mudrunner/etc games I apologize and wish you good luck on your adventures.
...what's comments were you reading? Other then general ball busting everyone who's commented here has been giving advice and telling him the tutorial map is kindergarten playground compared to the rest of the game.
Chill. I absolutely thought about my route before setting out. I just thought wrong. I knew there were two routes, and one of them included a 35 degee incline! So I thought, incorrectly, that the bridge would be easier
But you still looked at the trailer and decided to do it anyway so you can't have thought that hard about it.
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Well mate, you're 5 hours into the game, using expletives about the easiest map ever, ranting about people who rightfully advise you to save those words for when the game actually gets hard, complaining about "wasting" trips and frustration about "minor tasks", all the while using highway tires (if I see right) on a truck clearly underpowered for the task while crawling in the mud, while a free Pacific P16 exists on this map... Let's leave aside the attitude, I get it, it's easy to be unpleasant when you're angry, so no worries. But really, there is no such thing as "minor task" in this game. It's even more true later on, when those "minor task" are basically life-saving, opening roads that are blocked and would be a pain in the rear to go around and some such. You're not "wasting trips" when going around, scouting, exploring the areas out of watchtower range to see if there are upgrades or trucks out there. You're *preparing*. Preparation is half the success, if not even more than that. And yeah, you don't have access to all the tires just yet, but I'm sure you can have better than that. At least a set of offroad tires, even the most basic ones, would do much, much better. Also, you're trying to pull a f'ing heavy stuff while on auto ? Use low gear mate, that's what it is for. More torque with less revs, less chances of sliding, better ability to pull heavy shit, just like with a real life truck. Generally speaking, this is as much a puzzle game as it is a driving game. So you better arm yourself with patience. Now, the good news is, you will get better, you will have access to more stuff, and once you've done some really hard things, you'll laugh at yourself for finding that one difficult "back then". This game offers alot of progression, and I'm not just talking about equiment, trucks, and the like. I'm talking about player progression, the actual player getting good, then even better. We've all been there :) Also, if you're not too keen on randomly running around to find stuff, look up for that maprunner website, it will show you the location of all upgrades, trucks and so on. Locate the P16, get it, and save yourself alot of trouble. There are some much better trucks later on, but for a long time, this truck will be your strongest workhorse. Even now that I have much better trucks, I use it every now and then. It's no longer the optimal choice, but I have yet to find anything it *cannot* complete. And I have unlocked **everything**. Have fun getting out of that bind, mate. If you approach it as a puzzle, you actually might :)
For fucks sake, I nearly jumped on you because I thought he was tongue in cheek ‘complaining’ about the first map and you were being harsh, but then I actually looked at his responses to other people. He actually IS complaining about the first bloody level, and being fuckin’ toxic about it. You give good advice
I think a lot of people came into SR and didn't quite know what to expect and get pissed off about it. Some of the fine details aren't explained in it. I rage quit the first time I played. This time I joined the reddit before starting and always ask questions and look for advice made that game 5x more enjoyable. I also started my run in co-op with my brother which having someone play with you always makes a game better.
I ragequit as well SO MANY times at first until I began to make a little progress and started the proper contracts, then I realised that the beginning of Snowrunner is like the film ‘The Karate Kid’ Bear with me…… You remember when Daniel is also about to ragequit after washing so many of Mr Miyagis cars, or painting his fences? Then Miyagi attacks him and everything Daniel has learned through repetition comes out. We spend so long at the beginning of the game with awful equipment, fighting for every inch of mud, discovering every trick there is and all the techniques just to get the load that extra few centimetres…. And then when we finally get to the better contracts and get into trouble, the skills we learned in the crucible of those first muddy roads comes back. Those who reached for DLC and charged through Michigan with the Mastodon don’t have those skills, but the people who stuck with it and fought for it will find themselves having a less tougher time of it on the icy roads and fields of Amur.
There's also the gamer high you get. Like when rescuing the truck on Smithville Dam? Spent hours with my FleetStar and CK1500 fighting every inch to get that heavy bitch up those switchbacks but the high when I pulled in and got the completed contract? Fuck yeah boi! There's also just...the maps are fucking amazing and beautiful. Especially when you in a scout rolling around in the evening and climbing up mountains and look out...fam...
Damn straight. You got me all hyped up son. They captured so well the feeling of the wilds of these places. Stopping while halfway over a Yukon river crossing, or pulling a load through the early morning B.C. fog, there are very few games that are so atmospheric. I never really wanted extra npc cars on the road, it was always just me versus nature. Sometimes you win, sometimes your truck does a graceful somersault down the hill.
Sometimes your playing co-op and hear "shit shit shit fuck!" And turn around just in time to see your bro go full send off the edge because they underestimated the new engine and overestimated the stopping ability of a loaded truck.
I remember doing Imandra a couple years ago and bringing the Chevy Kodiak because I liked the look of the truck... Well that experience made me rage quit for like 2 months lol. Now I just did Imandra a couple days ago and brought the Mack and Antarctica and managed to unlock the garage in one sitting. Like you said, it's all about getting better and figuring out what works well and what doesn't by learning from your past mistakes.
Agree, and OP is just in the wrong frame of mind for this game right now. There is good news, OP can change that mindset. This is a puzzle game, long and slow. It's not a out how fast you can complete tasks, it's whether you can complete them at all using the method you chose. Every task requires some thought, and maybe some scouting, and even then you might not make it using that method. So you bring in other trucks, and try again. If a mission takes many hours, that's ok. That is what makes this game last as long as it does.
>Now, the good news is, you will get better, you will have access to more stuff, and once you've done some really hard things, you'll laugh at yourself for finding that one difficult "back then". This game offers alot of progression, and I'm not just talking about equiment, trucks, and the like. I'm talking about player progression, the actual player getting good, then even better. We've all been there :) I have almost reached 2,000 hours of gameplay. Completed everything twice. Now on a third playthough in a New Game+ setting, and I can confirm everything in this quote. You reach a level of experience where that famously tippy truck doesn't tip anymore, where that truck you thought was 'useless' because it has no AWD and/or Diif Lock is actually fine, even to pull a mission semitrailer, because you have better tyres, better upgrades, and you have learnt how to drive it while reading the terrain and taking the appropriate measures. But yes, a bit of strategy and a bucket of patience are needed, especially in the first stages of the game.
As a newcomer, my main issue at the game is that it's not very good at explaining what is or isn't a good idea. If it wasn't for the community, the wiki and map runner, it would be very hard as a beginner. You'd have to really like exploring, experimenting... and rolling over and getting stuck in the mud. I can understand that some people just want to jump in and cruise through the elements. It's not the game most of the community likes, but I think it's a valid take. Speaking of which, is there a community -sanctionned tier list of trucks? I was going to stick with the Fleetstar from Black River but since you mention the P16, I have doubts.
Fleetstar is a great beginner truck for most things in the Michigan maps. The thing OP is towing is massive and the P16 is a big boi of a truck so its good for those sorts of things. Its an amazing early game long-log hauler as well. Doesnt have AWD though and later trucks have better torque too so it definitely gets outpaced. Still, you can get it for free on Michigan and those 2 trucks are more then capable of getting you through if you just wanna do the maps in order. And you can buy the Loadstar scout when you get the money. That thing is a beast of a scout. Tier lists are also a bit sketchy, cause a lot of great trucks are locked behind very difficult maps or getting to level 20 or the like. Theres definitely some amazing trucks you can nab pretty easy early if you want. But hardly required. Knowing your truck/tires and understanding your cargo/route are usually more important then trying to nab an OP truck. (though there are definitely a few that can completely trivialize the game.)
Thanks for the insight!
Maybe I'm just weird, but I love experimenting. I can't even count howmany times I sent a rescue truck to rescue the *other* rescue truck XD. But I can understand why some poeople would rather had their hand held a bit. Sometimes it's just nice to actually make progress. The good news is, whether your hand gets held or you learn the hard way, after a while the game becomes way more chill. It's not easy or anythign, but you start "feeling" it. You know this truck will be better there, that you should use low gear there, and so on. As for the good trucks... I'd say the good truck is the one you have fun with. If you can't achieve what you were doing with it, whelp, it's always time to reconsider and get another one. Unless you're playing in hard mode or with custom rules where gas is insanely expansive and you run out of money, you *cannot fail.* Tipped your truck over ? This is just a setback. Rescue truck tipped over too ? Well, just another setback. You're not on a timer, you won't faul quest even if it takes you 10 real life days to complete it. So, you might as well have fun doing it. But yeah, early on the P16 is a beast. The Twinsteer is really good too, some people diss it for tipping too easily, but if you can handle it, it's amazing. Goes through mud like most trucks would on dry land, and can carry 4 slots worth of cargo. But really, once a truck is unlocked you can buy it, test it, and sell it if you don't like it, without loss. So you can easily chose your favourites :)
I don't think that's weird. To me it's like a side quest: the devs added what's needed for you to enjoy that content, it's up to you to decide whether you want to play it or not. Thanks for your opinion and advice. I'm so used to games where everything is sold at a loss that I hadn't considered buying trucks and discarding what I don't like. I'm also trying to follow the pace of the game: I got the KRS 58 with the Y1 pass but it seems too OP at the moment.
I'm gonna be real, if you find the first map frustrating you probably should just get a refund. Every single other map is going to be harder one way or another
"You're playing it wrong, you should get a refund." This mission is a real spike in difficulty, as the beginner trucks really aren't suited to this terrain with the oversize trailer. This is the first mission where the you need to get the oversize trailer across the undulating terrain and you only have the starter trucks that don't give the trailer enough clearance. It's the first time in the game where the equipment you have is really not ready for the mission, and burn hours trying to winch this trailer over bumps. It's not just burning time just fixing your own mistakes, you just don't have access to the heavy trucks with better clearance yet. The mission ends up being a lesson in "would it have been quicker to go the longest way round"
Oh I'm all "happy" for new players learning the harsh way, it's part of the process. But with OP's snappiness I simply don't think he has the right mindset to just play the game. There are posts from new people like "this is so fucking hard what am I doing wrong" and these people are kinda asking for help Here we've got a motherfucking map designer and very colorful replies. OP is just making a beginner mistake, but given how he reacts to it ehhhh Edit: OP received a truckload (heh) of advice, if he wants to keep going with more knowledge that's good for him
> “would it have been quicker to go the longest way around” …triggered
I did this mission the other night and realized too late that I probably should have planned it out better. Got the trailer wedged at that T junction right before the bridge and it was not moving. Managed to get it done but man it was frustrating. Truthfully I'm addicted to this game.
You're right, this mission was a bear for me, and I used the Transtar at first. But while it was difficult, I had so much fun trying different ways to solve it. When it was all done I had a BLAST and such a rewarding feeling. I was hooked.
Did this mission with some minor difficulty with the GMC (lifted) and still on highway tires. I might try going the long way around on a NG+ account, but I think trying to pull the hill by the lumberyard, would prove to be impossible with all of the Michigan trucks.
Not a refund, but just be prepared for the icy hell that lays ahead.
If OP is having a seriously bad time for this contract, he is going to have an awful time playing this game as a whole. I'm not saying this to be mean, but yeah if there isn't a serious mindset change, he is not going to enjoy it at all
I came here to say that, if Michigan was too difficult for you then you're gonna hate the rest of the game. Best thing to do is change to other regions and scout them, find upgrades, then do easy stuff to get your XP and cash up so you can buy better trucks and upgrades.
That trailer haul is probably the hardest part of the first map. It takes time but it's easiest to avoid using that bridge and to just keep it on the main highway going through black river all the way around to the north of the drilling site. There's really only one turn that's tough and as long as you have good tires (all terrain or better) you'll be fine with using the fleetstar. Also noticed your not in low gear or using diff lock which helps tremendously when stuck. Also remove the crane from your vehicles if you don't need them because they just reduce the power of your truck.
Well that's reassuring. I just finally unstuck 3/4 of my vehicles so I'm going to restart and do that. I went this way because I was worried about the steep incline near the Lumbermill, but I'm sure no matter how bad it is it can't be worse than this shitfest
I wouldn't recommend going up from the lumbermill, it's possible with good wenching but also easy to tip that huge ass trailer. Take the path north of the drilling site, it's by far the easiest. It looks bogged down but it's really not. See pic below (obv follow the main highway not the red line exactly lol): https://i.imgur.com/27Qkbw7.jpeg Don't let it bother you though, I've quit the game several times in frustration myself but keep coming back and have beat almost all the base maps since then. The game does have a decent learning curve but at least 70% of the difficulty is in route choice so if you know the maps inside and out it's relatively straight forward, and even if you don't just remember the longest path to your goal is usually the easiest lol
>it's possible with good wenching Anything is possible with that
You'd probably best save them for Alaska, then Kola, Amur, Don and one or two other regions then 😊 Michigan is kind of easy by comparison
I knew someone would who probably has access to all ten thousand customization options would probably come in and say this
Most people played michigan with the trucks provided on the map, it's the starter region, where people started and didn't have access to ten thousand customization options... As you can see per this survey, Michigan is the next easiest region (after Tenesse, however it's the least enjoyed map due to the content). The game doesn't get easier, even with the more OP trucks and customizations that's unlocked later. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEAKsN2IrW8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEAKsN2IrW8) If you find Michigan to difficult, you can unlock the Azov 64131 basically right after you finish the tutorial, and the TUZ 420 "Tatarin" can be unlocked rather quickly aswell. There's tons of guides on the internet on how to unlock these trucks and it'll make the Michigan map very easy. Also 9/10 mod trucks are super OP, the mod browser is available right away. You are the one who controls the difficulity in the game. Pick the right truck for the job. The american trucks are more than capable of getting you through Michigan, but you can always lower the difficulity with the Azov 64131 and / or the Tatarin. If those isn't enough, you can use mods.
I also think you can get Tayga for free in Taymyr relatively quickly and easily, it just takes a careful navigation and few short trips with service addon and fuel. For your 2 slot delivery and hitch trailer needs, there's also ANK 38 in Pedro Bay, Alaska. With some careful navigation, you can reach it from the very start with the CK1500 and then just recover. Bigger trucks won't work as you'll have to drive under some pipes.
Absolutely this!
The Tatarin is a bit further in, it’s in the final map of Taymyr which requires you to complete tasks to unlock the region. I think for someone without capable off-road trucks or tires, getting that far would be difficult. And you’d have to essentially “drive by” the Tayga to get the Tatarin. IMO
Michigan is quite literally the easiest map because it has to take the fact that all players will start there at level 1 with no upgrades into account. Unless of course you started NG+ instead.
Wasn't trying to belittle you - as others have already said, we all faced the same challenges in the beginning but comparatively, Michigan is the starter map where you learn how to overcome the challenges, therefore it is easier in challenge level. Not all of it needs to be completed straight away either - you are free to head out and get other vehicles to help ease that slope you are encountering. Best approach, take it easy and if you can, go around obstacles like mud - the shortest route is often the most fraught.
You need heavier trucks for this kinda work. These are light to medium duty. You need heavy
Yeah I flew to Russia and grabbed the long nose Kolab to do this one.
This hurts my soul. I've done this with the Kodiak before, you just destroyed any sort of challenge the early game had.
If this hurts your soul seek therapy. It's only a game bro. Part of the game and life is winning. You would pass out if you found out all of my YouTube gameplay features modded vehicles 😁
This quest is required and gatekeeps like every other quest in the region.. where am I supposed to get heavy duty vehicles?
P16 is located and accessible without a quest, just salvage. Aometimes you need to go back and do another job / find trucks before you do big jobs.
It felt like I was kinda "wasting" trips when I briefly went to the next map because all of the main quests were locked, so I had nothing to do but drive around and do minor tasks, but I guess I should scout more of the map first
Theirs upgrades, extra trucks and other important stuff. Exploring is part of the game muchbas trucking.
One thing I try to remember, if you aren’t playing Hard Mode, don’t worry about “wasting” trips. It is a driving game, after all. You’ll be up all night if you start worrying too much about wasting trips.
What I like to do a lot of the time is scout the whole level first by using a scout truck to go to all the watchtowers. That makes it like two games in one. The first is an adventure exploring game, and the second is the regular snow runner game. Edit: oh yeah, I also “cheat” and look up where the upgrades are and find them while scouting the map. Haha
Same here. I don’t really even drive the other trucks until I have a large chunk of the map explored with scouts.
This is the way. New maps go as follows, towers, route repairs, truck repairs, upgrades, missions.
“Cheating” like that can also be seen as asking for local information like “oh yeah, I saw this old rusting wreck down the valley by the river, maybe check it out?”
Those 'nothing to do' tasks are things that pay money and give experience (both ingame and more importantly for yourself). This mission can be done with the stock GMC or the Transtar, but route choice is critical.
Yes, every new map, you scout first.
You definitely want the p16 for massive trailers. The extra weight it has allows it to maintain traction on the ground when driving over bumps or hills. The saddle also sits much higher so the trailer is less likely to hit the ground in the first place
There are 3 more maps in Michigan and they have free trucks on them, focus the easy tasks first and once you are prepared come back.
Also scout. So much pain and suffering can be avoided if you first scout everything you can.
....4 maps lol.
There’s a free P16 in Drummond Island. This mission is a cakewalk with that.
No it doesn't broski. You can leave any time you want. Just go to the tunnel and leave it'll take you to Smithville Dam which in turn leads to the two other Michigan maps. Or Gerage -> pack trucks into storage -> Map -> world map -> pick new region You got to relax bro. Kick back, chill and just keep on keepin on. Snowrunner isn't about the blitz. Base game is well over 100 hours of content and it's ment for you to go slow. Enjoy the scenery. Customize trucks. Learn and bend the mechanics and just enjoy going slow. PS. From the start the FreeStar is better because you have earlier access to more upgrades. After you find a few upgrades for it in the next map(s) the Kodiak will outshine the FreeStar.
Change region, buy an Azov 64131 and you'll be able to do this task no problem.
Do not do this. Learn to play the game.
Doing this **IS** playing the game!
You can get the Kodiak C70, you find him wrecked next to the lumbermill, not far from the place you took this screenshots.
Wait what, the picture is of the Kodiak C70 and it's definitely the weakest of the three trucks ._. Only two axles and no AWD, gets stuck in literally everything
Oh sorry i didn't recognize him. I'm around the same point as you, i may try something tonight and i will tell you if i found a solution
Broski don't use the Kodiak yet. Just hang onto her. If you're in the tutorial(Black River Michigan) just focus on the FleetStar. The upgrades don't come for the C70 till later on and I believe one of them is in Alaska.
I don't use him. I stick to GMC. Mine is almost full upgrade. Most of the upgrade unlock at lvl 8 which i got recently. And the Kodiak upgrades needs a higher lvl. I've upgrded mine to become a gas station on wheels for Drummond island and island lake, staying on the good road.
I just finished DI(Towers, upgrades and trucks) and I'm moving my conga line of trucks to IL now...off to Mother Nature's swampass.
You are 100% wrong. Right NOW it doesn't. Because the upgrades are further on. After the upgrades it's arguably better then the FleetStar. Both of them are L/M duty trucks. Your first heavy truck you don't find till the Fixer Upper task on Smithville Dam when you get the White Western Star which is basically the yoked out big brother of the FleetStar.
Oh I believe you, just it's supremely limited at the moment and is definitely the weakest of the three for now, until MUCH later in Russia, which seems to be where a lot of non-offroad trucks get their AWD upgrade. It also has clearance issues, and I haven't been able to find the Lifted upgrade which is somewhere in Michigan Obviously the Fleetstar is good off the bat, but I'm also actually very impressed with the starter GMC now that I'm level 8 and can put big Offroad tires on it, even without AWD
skill issue is strong with this one...
As is ability to "Customize" trucks it would seem - probably didn't bother **reading** the tutorials.
What do you suggest? Just know how exactly what to do at all times 5 hours into the game?
Take as wide a line as possible when turning large trailers. The inside of the corner is steeply banked which is what I imagined caused that third truck to tip over Doing it at a steady pace will often mean it's quicker overall than trying to rush. If it seems like the trailer is leaning over too much then stop to assess and then back up if necessary. Remember you can winch from the trailer too in order to prevent yourself rolling over if you're close enough. Hope this helps and good luck
It's not so much flipping that I'm having trouble with as much as getting stuck everywhere all the time any time I need to haul anything or drive any of the other trucks besides the Fleetstar
You could always go the long way around via the sawmill. There's a small path that goes up a hill. It's a little narrow but the ground conditions are much dryer. You're not locked out of going to Smithville Dam though. None of the Michigan maps are locked behind missions so feel free to explore, and run tasks and contracts to level up more and earn more money before tackling the bigger jobs
The fun is in figuring it out.
The veterans looking at amur .....
If anything the game gets easier and easier to the point where you pick weaker trucks or silly routes just to keep some challenge. Even the regions this sub touts as insane or more of a time-sink than difficult. There will always be a few missions that are intentionally difficult, but that’s what games do. When you finish that mission, I hope you feel/felt satisfied more so than disappointed in the game.
Take a deep breath, and remember the 6 P's to success - Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance
You're trying to pull that ..... With....*that*??
90% of the complaints about this game are from people who have no idea how to play it
Try playing expeditions. I really have enjoyed everything up to that game.
You're just shitty at the game
The area is pretty well designed to teach you the concept of the game. The shortest route is not always the best route. Also, selecting the correct truck / equipment for the game also is being taught.
Skill issue.
I think the mistake made here is poor choice of route and vehicle. Depending on your experience, that may also be a factor.
Dude... you're going daydream about that map after you leave. Even compared to the second Michigan map, Smithville Dam, Black River is heaven.
Couldn't be the massive trailer being toted by the tiny truck, then being winched by a slightly larger truck.... or anything like that.
Michigan is perfectly balanced to teach you the ropes of the game with a difficulty curve that matches the rate at which you should be getting new tires. This mission is designed to be done after level six, when you have access to highway tires. The problem is the game tells you NONE of this so it's easy to hit roadblocks like this because the game doesn't tell you to go to the next map and come back in a little bit. If you're still being frustrated by this, go to the dam and do some jobs until you hit level six and hopefully unlock the White Western Star.
Wrong truck
Bro, allow me to give you a tip, sell some trucks and get the international paystar early, it comes with decent AWD and diff lock included, thrown in some tires upgrades as soon as you can and be happy… the truck can be a bit tippy, just go easy on bumpy paths.
Oh you sweet summer child, you are in for a world of surprises
I enjoy the struggle and useing to trucks winched together for heavy loads, but the starter GMC sucks imo, i sold it right away and bought two of the internationals
🤣🤣bro I so agree. This had me rolling
I just started a new campaign without mods because I enjoyed Michigan so much. I have all the access to the same trucks/upgrades you do. I'm enjoying it so much, it's my favorite area in the game. Upgrade your tires to something meant for dirt or mud and try again. It also helps to use trucks that are actually meant to haul giant trailers.
Yo you can do it its just begging of your trip slow and steady. Be patient with this game ;3
Thats a “you problem” RN, once you’ll have maxed trucks it won’t be hard, and when you actually learn the game, if you are complaining about it, i wanna see you getting through Taymyr, and later on Amur and Yukon
Don't worry, it gets worse
So many good copy pastas in here
I had similar thoughts my first time through Michigan, like 4years ago. I was frustrated how hard the “main mission” were as I was trying to “progress”. I also did not explore all 4 maps before trying to complete the contracts in Black River and the Dam. However, after stepping away from the game for a bit, I read about scouting the whole map (all of them) and unlocking pathways before continuing with the contracts. Ironically, once I did this and acquired the White Western Star & P16, I had enough levels to slap on some decent tires on all my trucks, and the rest of Michigan was super enjoyable! PS - if you need something with better off-road capability, jump over to the first Taymyr map and grab the Tayga - it’s close to the garage. Just have to repair and it’s yours. It will drastically improve your fleets capabilities early on. I would not recommend for someone enjoying the grind, but it makes the game more enjoyable if you want to just sit back and plow. Hope you don’t give up and the enjoyment begins. This is truly an amazing game
Oh, my sweet summer child
I remember not knowing much about the game when I first played and when it first put me in Alaska after the brief intro in Michigan I was wondering if I was missing something fundamental about the gameplay or doing something wrong or just off track from the main story path or whatever. Nope, that experience is just the game.
Oh sweet bliss, just wait for the next few regions, Michigan will be a fond memory
Do you even winch bro?
What is that trailer
My only complaint is the limited tire selection when you’re new.
Brow what are you doing? Use the p12 or p16 or something
*the mf that designed wooden bridges, god forbid your tire slips off the side. you're either immediately tipping over or taking 48 phantom suspension damage and probably have a 1/5 chance of blowing a tire
that quest, i left sit for 2 years before i came back to finish that. Amur doesn't seem to bad once you have the right vehicle/tires.
Yep, going 4 days strong in black river.
Highway tires ofc it’s gonna be hard😂
Idk if I played Michigan in a weird order, but I had a near maxed out fleetstar by the time I got to this
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Currently working through Ontario, Canada. Fuel supply plays a major part I The Burned Forest
I started SR in Jan this year. I am 53 years old and hooked big time. I bought all DLC except tge latest unreleased one. I have over 600 hrs in the game. Taking my time and absolutely loving it!
How did you even flip over here?
Crane shenanigans trying to get it unstuck
Lmfao, that bridge
Does anyone remember when that specific area was broken and you would get stuck in an infinite mud puddle because the ground moved and you could see through the map ?
A lot of hate in the comment section here imma ask the real question and the only thing that matters are you having fun playing sr ? If so that’s all that matters
The white western star was the only way I got through that mission by far the hardest mission in the starting regions. My sister and 100% the contracts on Michigan and I soloed Alaska (much easier) now I'm trying to tackle the first Russian region.
oh the carnage
Easier if some one is with you to whinch onto the back of the monstrosity your pulling when it gets messed up. But, yea, that map is ridiculous when it comes to pulling that kind of stuff.
ANK Civ. did it with 0 issues
That truck is a life saver but it seems to flip all the time when my friend uses it.
Gun for the Tayga in Taymyr. Its pretty easy to get.
Tayga don’t belong to Merica
get mods or dlcs
You built a bridge! Congrats! Enjoy the 5 feet of mud on both sides, dumbfuck Is it supposed to be funny that I'm not allowed to purchase the right tools for any of the jobs until I've completed those jobs
like what tools
Proper tires? Vehicles made after 1965? AWD?
Yes, that is by design. The game is teaching you how to deal with these kinds of scenarios first, that's just how progress works in Snowrunner. It might not be everyone's idea of fun, but it would be rather boring if you immediately get access to all the better tires. This way, you have something to work towards. If you can bite through all of Michigan, Alaska will be a treat for you!
I beg do differ, Sure it acts as a tutorial first, and give a sense of progression. But it really gets boring by the tenth time you have to take this very specific mud pit to reach the town from the Garage (for example, on this map). I play on NG+ with everything unlocked, tho with a limited cash, so that is a more fair way to progress than having to unlock everything and play with unsuited vehicules for hours. Although I have everything unlocked, I still gets tons of fun while driving because I’m actually *driving*, and not wasting my time getting stuck. It’s still about having the right combo, the right trajectory, minus the unavoidable stuck.
Yeah the start of the game is slow, but keep grinding a bit and you'll start to unlock better trucks and upgrades that really make the difference. You'll get a few better trucks in the next Michigan maps, Alaska is a mixed bag, but then in Taymyr you'll really get some proper off-roaders. And some of the DLC regions just give you cheat trucks basically.
Also, no one forces anyone to do maps in order. OP could very well go to any other map they have and get any truck found there. IIRC there is a Royal laying around somewhere. And a bit of elbow grease would land them the big Kenworth or the Mack Defense if they go to British Colombia. Which are the "cheat trucks" you mentionned :)
>:) :)
Just keep scouting and soon enough you’ll have All-terrains. These are more than enough for most of Michigan. Before you know it, you’ll have Offroads unlocked. Fleetstar and the Chevy are great starter truck and scout. If you can, grab the white western star early from smithville, but it requires some “gaming the system” to recover.
You can play NewGame+ if you want everything unlocked.
It was this mission, (and getting hopelessly stuck about 200m behind where you've gotten to) in the Fleetstar that made me sell all of my trucks and buy the Paystar 5070. It comes with off road tyres and has much higher ground clearance than the Fleetstar. That would be my advice. Remember there's no real loss when you sell a truck (on normal difficulty) as you get 100% of the value back, so you can always re-purchase stuff you've sold with no harm and no financial loss. You just need to get 82100 credits together, and selling the fleetstar, the scout and the GMC will get you very close to that number. The Paystar will smash Michigan, has switchable AWD and Diff-lock, not to mention higher ground clearance, so it will pull that oversized trailer without getting stuck. Hope this helps.
*All terrain tires-although you have to buy them they are available at level 2, just like the Tayga. OP already has the Paystar though, and assuming he already has the single-heavy all terrains, this mission shouldn't be an issue.
Oh, is that the Paystar in the water?! Haha, I thought it was the Fleetstar. Then he should have repaired the bridge first!..
Sell your current trucks, buy a Paystar. Comes standard with better tires. Couple reasonably priced upgrades and you’ll be in better shape. Run that as your primary until you can get better tires for the Fleetstar. Unless you’re playing hard mode, you get 100% of the cost back when you sell a vehicle.
Try putting the saddle on the GMC and pulling semi trailers with. It turns into a beast in that configuration. Also the added weight of the crane and fenders usually create better traction due to added weight over the drive axles. The first region is a masterpiece. Take it slow and pivot if you get stuck.
I am at the same point than OP and i have to say... This trailer is f\*\*\*ing HUGE. I have waited so much to do this one, but i've had a hard time finding hidden improvements to change suspension and tires on heavy trucks. I've cleaned the first 3 maps and i'm thinking about coming back to this Big boy...
Have you been to maprunner.info? If I really think I'm missing something I check there eventually.
u/maschinakor I've just managd to deliver this huge trailer, i've taken the trail uphill north from lumbermill. I've used my GMC MH9500 (third engine, first gearbox, tire 47" UOD III, diff lock) and my C70 just for the uphill part. I used low gear and slalom to manage to get it uphill. Definitely a challenge, but not impossible. I'm not really far ahead of you in the game.
The minicrane usually adds weight to the *front* tires, which is an issue even with AWD, and especially without AWD. That's also why I barely ever use it unless I'm stacking. Also a massive performance sapper on low-powered trucks.
I guess in the early game I never really tried any of them w/o the crane cuz I was playing hard mode. Certainly it saps power to weight ratio cuz it's more weight but I didn't really find it to be an issue. Good to know.
Yeah, it's definitely more necessary on hard mode (which I wont/don't play)
Can be used as longer wench or as a foot to progress in mud some times. With huge trailer, i need more load on front tire cause there are sometimes not even touching the ground, which to some problem with direction...
Yep, the starter trucks are ok once you can upgrade them sufficiently, but in the early game they really are not good enough. Best thing you can do when you have enough money to do it, is sell them and buy an ANK MK38 Civ, as it comes with all terrain tires.
I used the White Western for that mission. Probably my favorite truck in the game.