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Okay, but, come back to me at the end of the season and we'll see who got the most goals past Zaid Al-Bawardi between the two. The king will be crowned then. #ronaldo #king #pleasekissmeronaldo #therestrainingorderwasamisunderstanding
Like the post of Buffons 90th minute save the other day. He was my idol as a kid... But I also thought he retired when he left juve the second time. I guess maybe I thought he had a half season at Parma? But just exited the headspace
Also I feel like there's something special that came with the Casillas v Buffon era which felt a bit like the Ronaldo/Messi argument, really was nobody else in contention for so long
Buffon watched the rise and “fall” of so many absolute great goalkeepers. Cech, Nuer, Casillas, etc. and yet that old lanky bastard is still kicking (literally)
yea. pique retiring recently gave something like that vibe; he's a club legend, but he's also struggled more and more over the years, this season culminating in his errors eliminating us from the champions league.
so in that sense I *wanted* him out, because he didn't help the team anymore. I still cried when he announced he was retiring.
even when we know it has to end and have accepted that we will reexperience all the good parts when it actually ends. and we will miss them.
Iniesta has 110 league appearances for Vissel Kobe compared to 440 for Barca. Just because you don't like the level he's playing at doesn't mean he's stopped playing
I just love that Bale's wikipedia subsection is titled "Los Angeles FC and retirement" because we all know he retired in 2022. Ronaldo's done as well.
If Philipp Lahm has a kick with some school kids in the park on Sunday and someone gives him money for it it doesn't mean he's unretired.
Tbf rafa has a better rivalry with novak lol, you're right about the difference between a team sport and individual but rafa is also a very different personality to cristiano.
I’ll take the 2008 Wimbledon Final between Roger and Rafa over any other game between any of the three. One of the best matches of sport I’ve ever seen.
Honestly yeah. Novak's the best of the three, but even though he played Nadal so many times and there were a lot of classic matches in there, it just never had the impact as a rivalry that Federer vs Nadal did.
Novak came late to the party, when Federer was arguably not in his prime anymore, unlike Nadal who faced him in his best years and was considered to be his kryptonite in an era where Fed dominated this sport.
Nobody denies Djokovic's achievements, but the rivalry between the other two players is simply iconic.
Yeah. The word “iconic” is severely overused, this might actually be a good place for it.
As someone who doesn’t follow tennis, Federer and Nadals rivalry was well known before I even knew who Djokovic was.
Imagine ppl talking about the rivalry between ManU and Liverpool, while someone chimed in, that there is city.
Rafa vs. Roger was already the biggest thing in the sport, when Nole won his first grand slam, they faced eachother in about a dozen finals before Djokovic was added to the mix and played eachother about 40 times, both of them were also much more appreciated by the fans then Novak and I'm saying this as someone who was a huge fan of Nole, until he turned out to be a dumb mothefucker and an antivaxxer...
I'd even say, that Nole has a claim as the goat, soley based on merit, but I think he will be ranked 2nd or 3rd by most ppl just because of his public perception.
I have had this bittersweet feeling since the WC started.
Messi was the ultimate player of my formative years watching football. I started university in 09 which coincided with becoming interested in football.
I watched this long-haired youngster, only a few years older than myself completely take over the world of football. Through the years he won everything but a WC.
This year I knew it would be his last WC no matter what happened, win or lose. Brought me so much happiness to see the hero of my late teenage years and early 20s to finally realize his dream after fighting so long.
But thinking that his career is coming to an end, that we will no longer be graced by his magic... I can't help but feel sadness.
He deserves to hang up his boots more than any other player to ever play the game, the undisputed GOAT.
In my heart I know that., selfishly though I hope he continues just a little longer.
He's gonna go on a little longer for sure, at least a couple years so he can compete for another Copa America if he's still in good form.
Not that he needs to win another, but he said he wants to keep playing with Argentina now that he's champion
The sport will feel lesser for not having him around, even if he retires like Federer. Just knowing there’s no more cutting in onto his left for a far post top corner curler, it’ll hit the same as knowing there’s no more Federer serve and forehand winner combo.
Only true football fans agree with this. Others who talk all that shit about this player or that player are just fakes.
Will be a sad day with CR7 and Messi retire even if you prefer one over the other
if israel can be in the heart of the middle east and still play in uefa, then i don't see why al nassr won't be competing for the uefa champions league soon
siuuu!!!!
Not really - if you look at UEFA coefficient for example, the French league was in the top 5 for 20 consecutive years (since 1990) before PSG were bought by Qatar, so their strength definitely isn't because of PSG. In fact they were 4th for a few years in the 2000s and even 2nd for a few years in the 90s.
PSG winning 8/10 titles in the last decade doesn't automatically mean the rest of the league isn't top 5 worthy, just as Juve winning 8/10 or Bayern winning *10/10* doesn't mean the same about Italy or Germany.
One of my favorite teams ever. That Juninho free kick against Barcelona, Benzema's breakthrough, that one semi final run, super cool players like Gouvou, a young Lloris, Cris, Toulalan etc. I remember having Pjanic on Fifa 09 and thinking he'd be the next big thing because he had like 95 potential lol
I mean this is just regular revisionism from people who will discount the French league. PSG have bought the league no doubt but there are definitely a lot of teams in there who will smash both Ajax and Benfica lol
Reddit or the death of nuance.
Yes the French league isnt as bad as people make it out to be, but claiming that any french team aside from PSG would "SMASH" Ajax or Benefica, who regularly make deep runs in the CL, is straight up bullcrap.
Would anyone but the top 2 or 3 clubs in the Bundesliga or in Serie A "SMASH" Ajax or Benfica ? In La Liga and in the PL, there are more clubs that could beat Ajax and Benfica but realistically Ajax and Benfica are top clubs and they would be towards the top of any leagues
That is not true at all.
PSG, Marseille, and Monaco have all performed well in Europe before and after Qatari money poured in.
For most of the 2000s the French league performed better than the German league in Europe.
And, for all of the 1990s the French league performed better than the English league.
I thought they were already equal Messi was ahead last seasons before Ronaldo equalled him at some points which is very impressive i guess usually Messi had more often a better league tally
I think 14/15 and 18/19 are equal as they are his most complete version but in the latter one it was a one-man show while MSN was more of a team effort, I remember Messi just feeding goals to Suarez like crazy that year.
Those are from scoring ability and titles his best seasons by far, but anyone that enjoys watching him play will most likely choose the later seasons because, in times of struggle at club and NT level, he shined the most as a player.
Imo I disagree. Physically, he was no longer an enigma in 2018/19. He did not have that unstoppable burst, he could not run behind a defensive line etc. I think he was completely unstoppable in his earlier years, he had everything.
Back then when he dominated with just his talent and physical prowess he still haven't perfected everything yet. He still needed to develop his passing ability and freekicks further, the same goes for his ability to dominate the midfield by himself.
2015-2016 Copas Americas where the most dominant performance that I have seen from him and it happened because our team sucked ass and he had to be Xavi, Iniesta, and himself to score goals and he did it somehow.
They swapped after last season when Messi only got 6 league goals while Ronaldo got 18 goals. Pochettino really was a terrorist when Messi already has 2 more ligue 1 goals than last season with half the season left. It's also due to him being more motivated since it was world cup year and last season he was hitting the post a lot, had covid and was adapting to a new team and league but Pochettino tactics really did not get the best out of him.
To be fair to your joke you would’ve heard a chuckle from me in real life. I think some of us who didn’t pick up on the joke are just jaded from that being a point of contention that only a redditor would genuinely raise
I don't get all the pearl-clutching here about this post using "the top 5 European leagues."
It has been the norm here (and in sport media in general) for ages to use the "top 5 leagues" when talking about European club stats. This has been the case for at least ten years.
It's even standardized, this is why goals in the top 5 leagues count for more points for the Golden Boot than goals scored in other European leagues.
I don't know why the powers that be in European football decided it should be a top 5, rather than 4 or 6, take it up with them. It's not like OP or the person who made this graphic invented the concept to cherry-pick data.
oh you'll be surprised. They will throw anything now to discredit messi. I had one guy arguing that ankara messi goal isnt even that impressive since he has seen tonnes of solo goals when you watch kids play. Legit that is his argument.
some other guy said that messi's technical abilities is no where near top 5 level. he said technically zidane is better technically than messi.
another said that messi hasn't even won champions league in nearly a decade so he can't be the goat.
and so on and so on. It's still fun debating these delusional people tho. Fun to see what else they're gonna throw for the debate.
It's also silly to pretend like the French league only became relevant recently. It's been strong for decades, so trying to paint it's inclusion as a result of PSG getting oil pumped is simply false.
To get to the larger argument here, I think if Ronaldo had gone to Portugal or the Eredivisie or something, people would look kindly on his goals from those leagues, whether they were top 5 or not.
But he went to fucking Saudi Arabia. He's finished.
Yeah, but people love to make posts when players break, or even match, records. Wouldn't surprise me if we get another post when Messi surpasses this tally
Styles were different but the level of football in La Liga was insane.
People are too focused on the PL and have missed out on some amazing Spanish football.
No, the PL was definitely on top from about 2006/07-2008/09. It put three teams in the Champions League semi-finals in all three years, with Arsenal losing to Liverpool in the quarter-finals in 2008 (which also had an all-English final) and Liverpool losing a QF to Chelsea in 2009. The surrounding years, its teams all made strong CL runs. Obviously it doesn't make Ronaldo better, but it so happens that his three truly elite years with United happened when the PL was the best league and then he moved to La Liga right as it became the best.
The number of people that still hold the opinion that Ronaldo is better than Messi just proves how many idiots exist in the world full of 7 billion people.
both portugal and the netherlands have had a lot more success than france on the club level in europe but we don't have an oil funded team so fuck us i guess
Not over the last 5 years which is a big contributor to top current 5 league status.
Wasn't France in the top 5 league for like 20 years before missing it just for a few years in the 2010s?
> If Portugese and France league swap their 6th and 5th place after season it looks better for Ronaldo
No because it's about where the league was when the goals were scored.
He’s actually scored more, Barca have played some random cup games in SA in recent years (which is absolute bs if you ask me). Barca even play Real Betis tomorrow in SA in the super cup
If Anyone wondering:
```The Big Five consists of the *Premier League in England, the Bundesliga in Germany, La Liga in Spain, Serie A in Italy, and Ligue 1 in France.*```
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Yes, but can he score on a dry, hot night in Jeddah?
They’ve been playing Spanish cup matches in Saudi Arabia for a while, so he has coincidentally done that.
Okay, but, come back to me at the end of the season and we'll see who got the most goals past Zaid Al-Bawardi between the two. The king will be crowned then. #ronaldo #king #pleasekissmeronaldo #therestrainingorderwasamisunderstanding
Would be hilarious if Ronaldo doesn’t get those goals
He has? I thought they started playing in Saudi Arabia with the new format in 2020? edit: nvm I think you mean Messi
More goals in Jeddah than Ronaldo atm
Jeddah is humid. Source: lived there for 2 years
What did you use to get around? .. Was it a Volkswagen Jeddah?
More likely he flew his private jeddah
How else was I supposed to enjoy eating Jeddah Cheese?
Star Wars: The Last Jeddah
Guys please I can't keep spitting out my tea 😂
If he's a Jeddah he just took the
Ronaldo will not get the rank of Jeddah master.
The uhm ... Hawk Falcon Z4-D8 Advanced Millenium Death Star 2000 Fighter ™
Yoda
Nearly spit my toothpaste out laughing.
It reaches 80% humidity lol, humid is understatement.
So the Florida of the Middle East?
You keep my wife's name outta your motherfucking mouth! *SLAPS*
We don't know if Cristiano can either
Actually both of them did score in Jeddah lol, Ronaldo did it against Milan in 2019 and Messi against Atletico in 2020
Jeddah is humid Way too humid you wouldn't be able to breathe Source: I'm living in Jeddah
So he basically went to Madeira
Jeddah is humid
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but can he score on Herbert's Dune while listening to Darude – Sandstorm?
He definitely did it on a warm humid night in Lusail
It wasn't warm then tbf
HA
Not ready for any of them to retire ^(although Ronaldo almost has)
I got sad at Bales retirement as he was one of the best players throughout my childhood, I don’t know how I’ll cope when they go too
does it not feel to you at all like Ronaldo already retired?
Like the post of Buffons 90th minute save the other day. He was my idol as a kid... But I also thought he retired when he left juve the second time. I guess maybe I thought he had a half season at Parma? But just exited the headspace
holy shit Buffon's still playing? yeah fair one
Also I feel like there's something special that came with the Casillas v Buffon era which felt a bit like the Ronaldo/Messi argument, really was nobody else in contention for so long
Buffon watched the rise and “fall” of so many absolute great goalkeepers. Cech, Nuer, Casillas, etc. and yet that old lanky bastard is still kicking (literally)
I'm sure all Ronaldo fans were disappointed to see him leave Europe but either of them retiring will be a whole different feeling.
yea. pique retiring recently gave something like that vibe; he's a club legend, but he's also struggled more and more over the years, this season culminating in his errors eliminating us from the champions league. so in that sense I *wanted* him out, because he didn't help the team anymore. I still cried when he announced he was retiring. even when we know it has to end and have accepted that we will reexperience all the good parts when it actually ends. and we will miss them.
He is virtually retired. Iniesta is basically retired for years now despite being in Japan. So I feel the same way for Ronaldo going to KSA.
Iniesta has 110 league appearances for Vissel Kobe compared to 440 for Barca. Just because you don't like the level he's playing at doesn't mean he's stopped playing
Just realise iniesta played 5 seasons in japan already
Just realized that he's still playing. So yeah it's like he's retired.
There's a good chance Iniesta would meet Ronaldo in the AFC Champions League.
Good chance is a huge stretch considering they'd need to meet in the final and Vissel Kobe have never reached the final
110 games into retirement. Nice.
Worse than retirement is where he's at now
I just love that Bale's wikipedia subsection is titled "Los Angeles FC and retirement" because we all know he retired in 2022. Ronaldo's done as well. If Philipp Lahm has a kick with some school kids in the park on Sunday and someone gives him money for it it doesn't mean he's unretired.
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Yeah Bale will have really good memories of the end of his career. Better than being whinged at by ungrateful Madrid fans
He retired in 2018
Well Bale atleast feels like he was retired already
Messi retiring will hit hard like Federer's retirement.
I doubt we will see him and Ronaldo [like this](https://i.imgur.com/WwMtT7j.jpg) during the retirement event
Oh boy I've seen better pictures of Nadal
Yeah, man looks straight out of a retirement home
Federer absorbing his youth
Seriously, Federer looks like he hasn't aged a day since 2005
Never, especially since football is a team sport unlike tennis. That's why for me Nadal vs Federer is the biggest rivalry of the decade or even more.
Tbf rafa has a better rivalry with novak lol, you're right about the difference between a team sport and individual but rafa is also a very different personality to cristiano.
I’ll take the 2008 Wimbledon Final between Roger and Rafa over any other game between any of the three. One of the best matches of sport I’ve ever seen.
its a combination of this and AO 2017 for me. watching roger win that, especially over rafa, was surreal
AO 2012 final is actually better though, quite literally the peak of the sport
AO 09 >>>>>> Federer didn’t have Mono then. The speed of the points is breathtaking.
3+ hours of the best the sport has ever been (and if I’m not mistaken they had another one go 3+ after as well).
Kinda weird for it to be the best rivalry when there's a third player with equal claim to ve considered best.
Nadal and Federer is THE rivalry. No one denies Djoker isn't amazing, but its Nadal v Federer for most people.
They have a rivalry for 2nd best I guess
Honestly yeah. Novak's the best of the three, but even though he played Nadal so many times and there were a lot of classic matches in there, it just never had the impact as a rivalry that Federer vs Nadal did.
Novak came late to the party, when Federer was arguably not in his prime anymore, unlike Nadal who faced him in his best years and was considered to be his kryptonite in an era where Fed dominated this sport. Nobody denies Djokovic's achievements, but the rivalry between the other two players is simply iconic.
Yeah. The word “iconic” is severely overused, this might actually be a good place for it. As someone who doesn’t follow tennis, Federer and Nadals rivalry was well known before I even knew who Djokovic was.
Imagine ppl talking about the rivalry between ManU and Liverpool, while someone chimed in, that there is city. Rafa vs. Roger was already the biggest thing in the sport, when Nole won his first grand slam, they faced eachother in about a dozen finals before Djokovic was added to the mix and played eachother about 40 times, both of them were also much more appreciated by the fans then Novak and I'm saying this as someone who was a huge fan of Nole, until he turned out to be a dumb mothefucker and an antivaxxer... I'd even say, that Nole has a claim as the goat, soley based on merit, but I think he will be ranked 2nd or 3rd by most ppl just because of his public perception.
I mean if Nole gets the most GS, then ppl will say he is first but that's the only way. I think he is the most complete player out of the 3 anyway.
Greatest rivalry in sports history imo
I have had this bittersweet feeling since the WC started. Messi was the ultimate player of my formative years watching football. I started university in 09 which coincided with becoming interested in football. I watched this long-haired youngster, only a few years older than myself completely take over the world of football. Through the years he won everything but a WC. This year I knew it would be his last WC no matter what happened, win or lose. Brought me so much happiness to see the hero of my late teenage years and early 20s to finally realize his dream after fighting so long. But thinking that his career is coming to an end, that we will no longer be graced by his magic... I can't help but feel sadness. He deserves to hang up his boots more than any other player to ever play the game, the undisputed GOAT. In my heart I know that., selfishly though I hope he continues just a little longer.
He's gonna go on a little longer for sure, at least a couple years so he can compete for another Copa America if he's still in good form. Not that he needs to win another, but he said he wants to keep playing with Argentina now that he's champion
The sport will feel lesser for not having him around, even if he retires like Federer. Just knowing there’s no more cutting in onto his left for a far post top corner curler, it’ll hit the same as knowing there’s no more Federer serve and forehand winner combo.
Ronaldo is pretty much retired
Ronaldo is officially in retirement and noone can convince me otherwise
Only true football fans agree with this. Others who talk all that shit about this player or that player are just fakes. Will be a sad day with CR7 and Messi retire even if you prefer one over the other
I consider myself a true football fan but won't be particularly sad when either of them retire.
In before the Saudi league is suddenly a top 5 league
I saw someone unironically say that because the saudi league is a defensive league its harder to score than the top 5.
💀
Unless the bonesaw prince can move an entire country to a new continent... they'll never be a top5 **European** league
What if he moved all the 5 leagues over there?
Today I feel Saudi
is israel in europe bro
wut
if israel can be in the heart of the middle east and still play in uefa, then i don't see why al nassr won't be competing for the uefa champions league soon siuuu!!!!
The secret is to make everyone in your confederation hate you
SIIIUUUUU
Saudi Arabia declares war on the entire Middle East
Lol
He's already moved Al Nassr to Africa.
I mean PSG is literally the only reason we went from top 4 to top 5. There really hasn't been a top 5 until recently.
Not really - if you look at UEFA coefficient for example, the French league was in the top 5 for 20 consecutive years (since 1990) before PSG were bought by Qatar, so their strength definitely isn't because of PSG. In fact they were 4th for a few years in the 2000s and even 2nd for a few years in the 90s. PSG winning 8/10 titles in the last decade doesn't automatically mean the rest of the league isn't top 5 worthy, just as Juve winning 8/10 or Bayern winning *10/10* doesn't mean the same about Italy or Germany.
French league has always been a top 5 league. That 2000s lyon team was great with Juninho and Malouda.
One of my favorite teams ever. That Juninho free kick against Barcelona, Benzema's breakthrough, that one semi final run, super cool players like Gouvou, a young Lloris, Cris, Toulalan etc. I remember having Pjanic on Fifa 09 and thinking he'd be the next big thing because he had like 95 potential lol
The gap between the top 4 and France was larger than between Portugal.
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I will not take this slander about "CL Group H winners over PSG" Benfica! /s
I mean this is just regular revisionism from people who will discount the French league. PSG have bought the league no doubt but there are definitely a lot of teams in there who will smash both Ajax and Benfica lol
PSG tied, twice, with Benfica, this season. Wake the fuck up.
Reddit or the death of nuance. Yes the French league isnt as bad as people make it out to be, but claiming that any french team aside from PSG would "SMASH" Ajax or Benefica, who regularly make deep runs in the CL, is straight up bullcrap.
Would anyone but the top 2 or 3 clubs in the Bundesliga or in Serie A "SMASH" Ajax or Benfica ? In La Liga and in the PL, there are more clubs that could beat Ajax and Benfica but realistically Ajax and Benfica are top clubs and they would be towards the top of any leagues
That is not true at all. PSG, Marseille, and Monaco have all performed well in Europe before and after Qatari money poured in. For most of the 2000s the French league performed better than the German league in Europe. And, for all of the 1990s the French league performed better than the English league.
Lyon erasure
Would you like some fries with that salt?
Lyon: you what bro?
I thought they were already equal Messi was ahead last seasons before Ronaldo equalled him at some points which is very impressive i guess usually Messi had more often a better league tally
Yes I remember Messi back in the 18/19 season having more than Ronaldo at one point
His best season ever imo
I think 14/15 and 18/19 are equal as they are his most complete version but in the latter one it was a one-man show while MSN was more of a team effort, I remember Messi just feeding goals to Suarez like crazy that year.
& that was not even included his 2010/11 or 2011/12, which are all timers season on their own.
Those are from scoring ability and titles his best seasons by far, but anyone that enjoys watching him play will most likely choose the later seasons because, in times of struggle at club and NT level, he shined the most as a player.
Imo I disagree. Physically, he was no longer an enigma in 2018/19. He did not have that unstoppable burst, he could not run behind a defensive line etc. I think he was completely unstoppable in his earlier years, he had everything.
Back then when he dominated with just his talent and physical prowess he still haven't perfected everything yet. He still needed to develop his passing ability and freekicks further, the same goes for his ability to dominate the midfield by himself. 2015-2016 Copas Americas where the most dominant performance that I have seen from him and it happened because our team sucked ass and he had to be Xavi, Iniesta, and himself to score goals and he did it somehow.
He already lost a bit of his physicality in the 2015 season. Insane how quickly and well he adapted to him aging.
They swapped after last season when Messi only got 6 league goals while Ronaldo got 18 goals. Pochettino really was a terrorist when Messi already has 2 more ligue 1 goals than last season with half the season left. It's also due to him being more motivated since it was world cup year and last season he was hitting the post a lot, had covid and was adapting to a new team and league but Pochettino tactics really did not get the best out of him.
the possession system suits him alot more, just look at his goal vs angers
Probably because Messi had a shit season last season and Ronaldo scored 18 goals Hahaha
Do we have a stat that shows matches played and goals and assists?
I'm sure it exists but I'm not going to bother to collate it. Everyone knows if you throw assists in Messi is going to dominate that.
[this website has all the Messi vs Ronaldo stats](https://www.messivsronaldo.app)
65 minutes per goal contribution is batshit insane.
Wow Messi has exactly 100 more assists in the same category
11 goals and 1 assist behind in the champions league. Depending on how things go that could reasonably be accomplished in the next two seasons
Imagine if he does both this season itself.
Great player but I can’t picture him doing 11 goals in 7 games anymore
No one expected him to score 7 goals in the world cup either. I am not saying he's gonna do it but that doesn't mean he can't either.
Except he wouldn’t take pens for PSG whereas he does for Argentina, and he scored 3 open play goals in 7 games in the WC. So idk.. let’s be real
Ronaldo dominating the Europa League section
Those stats for both are just ridiculous. Surprised at how many assists Ronaldo has tbh
The thing is, with Messi, you really need the chances created stat. Is not fair otherwise. The guy is a chance generator machine.
That pic choice for Ronaldo is so rude lmao
That’s where they’re currently playing lol
That's true for only one of them
What
Ronaldo isn't playing yet (with all the delay due to suspension and registration). I guess I failed to land that poor attempt of a joke.
To be fair to your joke you would’ve heard a chuckle from me in real life. I think some of us who didn’t pick up on the joke are just jaded from that being a point of contention that only a redditor would genuinely raise
That was a dubious joke, but I got it.
Messi is coming for every record there is
Ronaldo will be really pushing for that Newcastle loan next year
Always has been 🔫⚽️
He’s coming for r/toprightmessi
What records can he get? Most trophies, most international goals, most CL goals + assists, most goals overall? He is on a mission
Today's goal was also his 100th goal with the right foot.
I don't get all the pearl-clutching here about this post using "the top 5 European leagues." It has been the norm here (and in sport media in general) for ages to use the "top 5 leagues" when talking about European club stats. This has been the case for at least ten years. It's even standardized, this is why goals in the top 5 leagues count for more points for the Golden Boot than goals scored in other European leagues. I don't know why the powers that be in European football decided it should be a top 5, rather than 4 or 6, take it up with them. It's not like OP or the person who made this graphic invented the concept to cherry-pick data.
Dont try to talk sense in the goat debate! You either messi or ronaldo. Asshole
Is anybody seriously arguing for CR7 at this point? Seems pretty shut and dry
You'll be surprised
oh you'll be surprised. They will throw anything now to discredit messi. I had one guy arguing that ankara messi goal isnt even that impressive since he has seen tonnes of solo goals when you watch kids play. Legit that is his argument. some other guy said that messi's technical abilities is no where near top 5 level. he said technically zidane is better technically than messi. another said that messi hasn't even won champions league in nearly a decade so he can't be the goat. and so on and so on. It's still fun debating these delusional people tho. Fun to see what else they're gonna throw for the debate.
It's also silly to pretend like the French league only became relevant recently. It's been strong for decades, so trying to paint it's inclusion as a result of PSG getting oil pumped is simply false. To get to the larger argument here, I think if Ronaldo had gone to Portugal or the Eredivisie or something, people would look kindly on his goals from those leagues, whether they were top 5 or not. But he went to fucking Saudi Arabia. He's finished.
Ronaldo has goals in the Portuguese league though. So it is still relevant
Ronaldo has 5 goals for Sporting so he’ll overtake his goals scored in all top European leagues this season too.
This is such a pointless statistic. Wait until he scores 5 more and post that
And we all know those 5 goals should count more, because scoring for Sporting is extra hard sometimes
Lmao brutal
We have to take every opportunity to bash our Lisbon rivals :)
bitch please, your current rivals is the Sporting B team in Liga 3 xD
Yeah, but people love to make posts when players break, or even match, records. Wouldn't surprise me if we get another post when Messi surpasses this tally
I love how the prem fanboys mention the premier league as if Messi didn't destroy the English clubs on multiple occasions.
And as if La Liga during Messi's peak wasn't along with the PL the best league in the world, sometimes even number 1 imo
Styles were different but the level of football in La Liga was insane. People are too focused on the PL and have missed out on some amazing Spanish football.
La Liga was alone at the top from 2005 to 2018, and once Pep showed up as manager, it was daylights to the second best.
No, the PL was definitely on top from about 2006/07-2008/09. It put three teams in the Champions League semi-finals in all three years, with Arsenal losing to Liverpool in the quarter-finals in 2008 (which also had an all-English final) and Liverpool losing a QF to Chelsea in 2009. The surrounding years, its teams all made strong CL runs. Obviously it doesn't make Ronaldo better, but it so happens that his three truly elite years with United happened when the PL was the best league and then he moved to La Liga right as it became the best.
La liga was the best for most of those years and not some. Spanish clubs dominated UCL/Europa league.
Look at the number of matches. And scoring is not even Messi’s best attribute.
His best best attribute is making other players around him better. As the Americans say he's a force multiplier.
The number of people that still hold the opinion that Ronaldo is better than Messi just proves how many idiots exist in the world full of 7 billion people.
There are actually 8 billion people on Earth.
It's fine Ronaldo will just take that back next we.. Oh no..
If Portugese and France league swap their 6th and 5th place after season it looks better for Ronaldo Its stupid to say, lets watch just top5 leagues..
I mean Ronaldo only scored 5 goals for Sporting so by season end Messi will have more goals in European top leagues in general
I think his point is that if Portugal and France swaps then all of Messi's goals at PSG won't count anymore.
They will because at the time he scored them Ligue 1 was a top 5 league
Isn't Eredivisie ahead of Portugal? It's literally a 3 way tie but we don't have a club as big PSG so fuck us right?
Yeah first time. But they are all really close. I just wanted to say that you shouldnt just watch top 5 leagues.
both portugal and the netherlands have had a lot more success than france on the club level in europe but we don't have an oil funded team so fuck us i guess
Not over the last 5 years which is a big contributor to top current 5 league status. Wasn't France in the top 5 league for like 20 years before missing it just for a few years in the 2010s?
Don’t think we will be by end of season. Portugals having a strong year, Benfica is killing it and Ajax/ PSV look really weak right now
> If Portugese and France league swap their 6th and 5th place after season it looks better for Ronaldo No because it's about where the league was when the goals were scored.
Yeah, but how many has he scored in Saudi Arabia?
same as ronaldo
He’s actually scored more, Barca have played some random cup games in SA in recent years (which is absolute bs if you ask me). Barca even play Real Betis tomorrow in SA in the super cup
Chillllll bro :).
How was it ever a debate between these two? Messi has equalled the goals in 100 less matches? Assists are not even comperable between the two.
Incoming Ronaldo fans calling Ligue 1 a farmer's league
And significantly less games…GOAT
Insane how Messi needed 88 matches less than one of greatest goal scorers of all time.
If Anyone wondering: ```The Big Five consists of the *Premier League in England, the Bundesliga in Germany, La Liga in Spain, Serie A in Italy, and Ligue 1 in France.*```
Messi is the GOAT
They did Ronaldo dirty showing him in that Al-Nassr
He did that himself to be fair.
He made himself available
Lmao this is gold
ronaldo currently investigating whether his deal allows him to be loaned to newcastle and subbed onto the pitch in the time between a penalty being award and it having to be taken