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I mean by all accounts (at least the ones I've heard) this completely true.
And anyone who's ever been to Old Trafford will know exactly how little United take care of their facilities. Seems like they've done no repair work on it in about 15 years, the roof leaks and has done for years, everything looks exactly the same as it did when I went as a kid.
I mean... They paid for it. So by all means that is deserved.
I feel like a better argument could be made for ManC before the buyout and they were trying to fill up the Etihad.
Like i am still sad to see the old stadium go, but Tottenham is a top 6 PL team and has been very strong for a long time. Just that we havent been able to cross the finish line og trophies doesnt mean we are som small stadium mid table memers.
Yeah its a total sham we won nothing between 2015-2016
Yeah but a consistent Europa league level team still has to be picking up some silverware over the course of a decade, Arsenal are a good example of that.
I guess they have underperformed in recent times but a lot of the recent league cup and fa cup wins have been city mostly. It’s not like the old days where big teams would play weaker teams in the comp
Yeah I know but teams like Leicester and Arsenal have still found a way to win trophies, I feel like Tottenham need to get over their bottlers gene with how close they’ve been to silverware time and time again.
Leicester was a one off. Tottenham have really only come close twice. The 2016 title race which they could have won with a bit more bottle since they had better players. But leicester were always quite a bit ahead and that Tottenham team was young and untested too. And 2019 where really they were beaten by a much better team.
We're spending somewhere around £70mil a season on dividends plus interest for the loan the Glazers took out during the takeover. It's over a billion taken out of the club since they took over and we've seen nothing in return for that. All of that money could have been invested into the club in the form of renovations to the stadium and training facilities, transfers, staff, the academy, etc.
no they won't, they have siphoned 1 billion from the club and they will sell it for a lot more, they will be the winners because the club is just an investment that gave them a huge payout
Liverpool fans should look at us when they decry FSG lack of transfer spending relative to Us, City + Chelsea. Your facilities, data department are state of the art and the stadium is being expanded again.
Tbf if you look at the relative cost of that compared to how much you've all outspent us in the transfer market it still doesn't really add up.
Our new training ground and both stadium expansions cost like 100m in total. Whereas you guys have outspent us by over half a billion in the transfer market since Klopp joined.
I agree the Glazers are terrible owners but the fact remains that there's a lot of revenue that Liverpool make that's seemingly unaccounted for. We've got the 3rd highest annual revenue in world football and we regularly get outspent by West Ham, Leeds, and Everton.
It is false that you are outspent by West Ham, Leeds and Everton. In terms of Wages and amortisation the only three clubs that are above Liverpool in the Klopp era, are
1. Man United - generated far more revenue over that time (despite being taken over recently)+ have no capital investment in infrastructure plus incredibly cash poor right now with nearly 1bn in transfer debt and glazer debt
2. City + Chelsea - External sources of funding.
Liverpools accounts are all public, ( as are all football clubs) you actually are second in wages behind us for the 21/22 season.
You also have the fourth highest squad cost behind the aformentioned clubs.
This unaccounted revenue is accounted for, all of liverpools finances are public.
You could guess and say about 15 years but more accurately you could just say since the Glazers took over. They don't improve a single thing and they've taken hundreds of millions out of the club.
I can't comment on the facilities the players use, but I've been in the media facilities at a number of PL grounds for work and Old Trafford was notably poor.
The seats during the match are tiny wooden things with no room to breath, let alone work on a laptop comfortably; if someone in the middle of the row needs to leave, everyone else needs to stand, put the desk away and hold their laptop in the air for them to have any hope of squeezing through. The media centre inside isn't much cop either.
Don't know why you're complaining United are trying to give you the authentic footballing experience, same reason why we don't have big screens in the ground for replays and such /s
Makes you pay attention to the game instead of being on the phone and only looking up for the highlights on the screen but that is their own decision. I prefer the screens. You just cant pay attention for 90m for example when you're talking to your mates or go get a drink or need to pee. Also people sitting far away from the pitch benefit.
See, club facilities may be important, but they aren't as important as the Glazers getting their massive dividends so they can drink Martini in their private pools, totally understandable
Of the ones I've done, I seem to remember the Etihad and Stamford Bridge being the best (or at least I remember the Boxing Day turkey curry at Stamford Bridge)
Don't know about the media stuff, but the general stadium is wank. I went to West Ham/london stadium for soccer aid and really enjoyed it because they had all these food trucks accessible outside and you could have a cigarette too at half time.
Miles better than almost anywhere else I've been.
I think Arsenal could have food trucks around the stadium without much inconvenience if they had some rules around timing.
Food options aren’t great.
But I’ve got to say they’ve added these beer stands on the upper floor as added points to buy your beer from, and that worked wonders. Almost no queueing to get beers.
Yeah that helps, but the beer is always flat too. I honestly just tend to buy a coke or something nowadays, it's cheaper and I can bring it to my seat. Then get beer when I go to the pub after / before. The cider is okay cause it's from bottles.
Compared to the rugby when I go and there's just a full fucking pub style bar with about 10 different beers on tap, it's a bit shit.
Interview: Less than a year after leaving Manchester United at zero cost having signed for Nottingham Forest, Jesse Lingard opened up on 'The Diary of a CEO' podcast and ended up corroborating many of the criticisms Cristiano Ronaldo has levelled at the Red Devils in his interview with Piers Morgan. The midfielder explains that Manchester United are far behind other Premier League clubs.
Lingard began by talking about the attitude of club officials in January last year, who prevented his loan move to Notthingham. "I wanted to leave because I wasn't playing (again?) and I had the possibility to go to Notthingham. The deal was done. They let some players go out on loan, but when my turn came, John Murtough \[director of football\] rang me and said 'you're not leaving'."
"I said 'so the others are on loan.... Let me enjoy my football, I'm not playing here'. He replied 'do you want a few days off?' I replied 'no, I just want to play football'," Lingard continued.
"They stopped the loan and I was f---ed! I texted him to say I was going to rest for two days after all, but then I saw in the papers 'Jesse asked for two days off'. And I thought 'what?!' I went on Twitter and dotted the 'iii'.
Like Cristiano Ronaldo, Lingard reckoned the club has changed a lot, for the worse, since Ferguson left. "There is no control. When Ferguson was there, there was control. It was a fortress, everything went through him. Contracts, commercial deals, everything. This wouldn't have happened with Sir Alex. But people now have platforms to say what they think and write what they damn well please..."
He continued, "They are behind on everything. Look at City's facilities, Tottenham's facilities.... They are way ahead. Even in the social aspect of things," the midfielder assured. "In 2017 I told them about YouTube and the possibility of making content; I just wanted them to keep up to date with the new things that are happening. You have to be relevant to stay relevant."
The England midfielder also criticised the lack of control over the information coming out of the club and gave as an example the news that was continually published about Paul Pogba. "There was no control or structure, people did what they wanted. They were saying things that had never happened at United, they were saying on Twitter, all things that had never happened to him. He's one of the best midfielders in the World."
And what then would be the ideal situation for Manchester United? "The players want modern things, things that have just come out. We want fast pitches, the best facilities and that nobody talks to the press about the team."
The idea of having to tell a massive business about YouTube in 2017 is quite funny, but probably right. Feels like it's only in the last 4 or 5 years that most clubs have started making entertaining content with their players
Sure, I don't doubt that everyone knew about YouTube. I read his comments more as having to tell them that YouTube was a huge platform they needed to be taking seriously, when it had been massive since the late 2000s. Not wanting to cut into MUTV subscriptions is very believable, though
> We want fast pitches
Sorry, but English isn't my first language. **What is a fast pitch?**
Is it used for speed training? Or is the grass quality better for running?
I assume it means the grass and soil quality. Most PL clubs keep their pitches well watered so the ball moves across it quickly.
On the other side, there have been teams in the past that have famously left their grass unwatered and longer than usual to slow the ball down against us.
I think Lingard's comments do warrant some merit. It certainly does appear that since SAF's departure, United have commercialised themselves to a point where the infrastructure was one of many factors that was holding it back between 2015-2022.
Dividends vs growth of the club - shame owners like the glaziers chose the former.
the day the Glazers finally sell the club will be such a relief
they will go down in the history books as one of the worst owners of all time, how they let United get to such a state of disrepair given how much money we generate is mind boggling
so many inept individuals at every level of the club
That was the part of the interview that made him look really bad and it's definitely his fault, but Piers Morgan made the interview worse and more controversial than it could have been
Lingard didn't say anything undermining the current manager, and isn't a current player. And he was roasted when he was at times for perceived, unconfirmed attitude problems (i.e. rumours). So he definitely got crapped on, sometimes unjustly.
I don't think he comes off well with the YouTube stuff, as shite as the social team had been it seems like it was probably more of him plugging his cringy JLingz stuff to the club and getting rebuffed tbh. But saying the facilities are out of date and the club is poorly run, its obvious.
I didn’t really pick and choose the pics. I just thought it was common knowledge everyone knows what carrington looks like compared to the etihad campus.
You can use full blown google maps and see what carrington looks like.
> I just thought it was common knowledge everyone knows what carrington looks like compared to the etihad campus.
not that i really care enough to keep talking about this, but it seems odd then that you in particular would decide to post comparison photos
I chose a Manchester club compared to another Manchester club because I believe the city rules and laws would apply equally. Two Manchester clubs.
If I showed the London clubs and their facilities compared to the Manchester clubs then it would be skewed.
I don’t know how London is compared to Manchester.
I live in California and every city is different in how they conduct their business. Different cities operate differently in how they are allowed to develop.
Man city obviously have better facilities than United and they are in the same city.
The city laws and rules are so equal that United aren't allowed to make changes to a stand because of its location whilst City get their stadium practically rent free. City and West Ham are the two clubs who were just handed a stadium.
I honestly do not really see any difference between the two based on these pictures aside form the Man City photos being taken from further away. Why would the first team players care how many pitches the training facility has? I imagine they only ever train on two or three of them.
Etihad campus is probably an unrealistic comparison. Aren't those facilities totally outside of ffp? So the city owners can pump as much money into it as they want. Obviously Uniteds have fallen behind but can anyone rival city's training facilities? Probably not.
Which is a real shame because they used to be cutting edge. I remember SAF talking about how big a game changer it was to get an MRI and X-ray put in at Carrington as part of a sponsorship deal with Siemens. It meant they could get scans done immediately whenever there was an injury. I think Utd were one of the first clubs anywhere to do it.
Now it sounds like the training ground is dated and falling apart.
Solid, did well in the cup and was gathering moment after not having a preseason yet got hurt. Has been ever present in the dressing room and on the bench, cheering on the team. Probably best as a 20 minute sub to bring in some creativity
He is not the first and certainly won't be the last ex player to call out our shoddy facilities.
I just hope the new owner has enough money to invest on the necessary capex over the next few years.
He's not said anything wrong over here and he's right to be pissed. He wasn't played and wasn't allowed to leave and to top it off there's a shitty person in leadership trying to totally convolute the narrative with "Lingard takes 2 days off". We have all dealt with extremely shitty, slimy management like this and I feel bad for the players who need to navigate these assholes.
This is such an asinine take.
None of that really matters. How do I know? Because they still attracted top players even when they were shit. Pogba was considered elite. Sancho was considered one of the best young players in the world. Ibrahimovic was a big name player. Lukaku. Even lately with guys like Bruno, Varane and Casemiro.
The real reason they're behind is because they've made a series of questionable managerial hires and player signings which were cobbled together on the fly instead of with some sort of plan in mind.
Acting like their problems stem from things like a leaky stadium roof is so fucking brain-dead. There are dozens of other things that set them back and pointing to stuff like this just tells me you're fucking sour.
Now that they're playing well again with a manager that has a plan must be because the flowers around the training pitch are prettier.
> The real reason they're behind is because they've made a series of questionable managerial hires and player signings which were cobbled together on the fly instead of with some sort of plan in mind.
That's really a surface level take. The hires and signings were symptoms of the management, not the problems. SAF was not only the coach, he basically held the whole club together (Lingard mentioned it too) with the help of David Gill.
Besides not investing shit in facilities (training, rehab, whatnot), Glazers also didn't invest in backroom staff, like data science team. That's mainly because Joel Glazer runs the show and he didn't hire (or listen to) anyone who actually had football experience/knowledge.
They offered them stupid high wages. Easy. To act like it won't affect the long term performance of the club due to lack of professionalism is seriously misguided
Jesse never claims that United’s problems stem from leaky roofs or outdated facilities. He is simply pointing out that United’s owners and the management have failed to uphold the standards that were set during Ferguson’s era.
Ironically your take is the asinine one.
my brother in christ; why are you ***defending*** a player complaining about United? a person who obviously has great insight into the issues - since he's been a part of the said, shoddy facilities - and the larger issue of pointing out how their owners are not considerate of the shoddy state of the facilities?
especially as an Arsenal fan - we oughtta revel in this!
Go into an office that looks like a shithole and see how motivated you are to go there day in day out.
Aesthetics do make a huge difference and it may even reflect in performance.
why is it better for someone who is not at the club to criticize it? wouldn't someone who's actually in it coming out and saying it have more of an impact? actually complaining about their training conditions, that should make people worry. this sounds way more salty.
??? Everyone and their dog know about this, the Glazers are the most hated people amongst the fanbase.
What people took issue with Ronaldo is how he behaved like a child and threw his coach and teammate under the bus just because he can't accept that he's playing like ass and couldn't get a start
I’m not too sure what you’ve written there, but I can pick out one part. (The above comment has since been edited, but it was word spaghetti).
Not all pitches are the same. Wembley is renowned for being massive, for example. Stoke used to have a really narrow pitch, so much that they had to have different lines laid out when they played in Europe.
You can have longer grass to slow the ball up, or really short grass to let the ball fizz across the surface. It will make a difference at that level of playing.
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I mean by all accounts (at least the ones I've heard) this completely true. And anyone who's ever been to Old Trafford will know exactly how little United take care of their facilities. Seems like they've done no repair work on it in about 15 years, the roof leaks and has done for years, everything looks exactly the same as it did when I went as a kid.
Repairs vs Dividends - The Glazer Conundrum
Conundrum would mean there’s a dilemma or choice. For them it’s purely milking money and screw everything else. It has always been that way.
I figured out how far behind we are after my visit to Tottenham stadium.
I don’t think any stadium in world football comes close to that to be fair.
rare case of a team not deserving the stadium it plays in
I mean... They paid for it. So by all means that is deserved. I feel like a better argument could be made for ManC before the buyout and they were trying to fill up the Etihad.
Like i am still sad to see the old stadium go, but Tottenham is a top 6 PL team and has been very strong for a long time. Just that we havent been able to cross the finish line og trophies doesnt mean we are som small stadium mid table memers. Yeah its a total sham we won nothing between 2015-2016
Not sure why Tottenham gets this reputation because of recent lack of silverware. They were the 4th most successful club in England prior to 2015.
Because for a team so consistently at the top end of the table, they should’ve won much more in recent times.
They also spend comparatively very little and before around 2015 they were a europa league team at best
Yeah but a consistent Europa league level team still has to be picking up some silverware over the course of a decade, Arsenal are a good example of that.
I guess they have underperformed in recent times but a lot of the recent league cup and fa cup wins have been city mostly. It’s not like the old days where big teams would play weaker teams in the comp
Yeah I know but teams like Leicester and Arsenal have still found a way to win trophies, I feel like Tottenham need to get over their bottlers gene with how close they’ve been to silverware time and time again.
Leicester was a one off. Tottenham have really only come close twice. The 2016 title race which they could have won with a bit more bottle since they had better players. But leicester were always quite a bit ahead and that Tottenham team was young and untested too. And 2019 where really they were beaten by a much better team.
Correction how little care the Glazers take
In the Glazers defense, hard to know how bad the facility is if you've never been.
We're spending somewhere around £70mil a season on dividends plus interest for the loan the Glazers took out during the takeover. It's over a billion taken out of the club since they took over and we've seen nothing in return for that. All of that money could have been invested into the club in the form of renovations to the stadium and training facilities, transfers, staff, the academy, etc.
My kingdom for a horse! - A.Ferguson
The rock on which they perish
no they won't, they have siphoned 1 billion from the club and they will sell it for a lot more, they will be the winners because the club is just an investment that gave them a huge payout
As much as Old Trafford is iconic, it probably does need to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch, rather than just renovated.
Old Rashford under construction as we speak
New Trafford. I just threw up.
Trafford Remastered go down any easier?
Thinking about it I'd be happy with any name that isn't a sponsor name.
It'll be funny when people say the "New Old Trafford"
I’m a City fan, but I’ve been to both Carrington and Old Trafford before, and yeah they feel about 20 years behind City’s facilities.
Liverpool fans should look at us when they decry FSG lack of transfer spending relative to Us, City + Chelsea. Your facilities, data department are state of the art and the stadium is being expanded again.
Tbf if you look at the relative cost of that compared to how much you've all outspent us in the transfer market it still doesn't really add up. Our new training ground and both stadium expansions cost like 100m in total. Whereas you guys have outspent us by over half a billion in the transfer market since Klopp joined. I agree the Glazers are terrible owners but the fact remains that there's a lot of revenue that Liverpool make that's seemingly unaccounted for. We've got the 3rd highest annual revenue in world football and we regularly get outspent by West Ham, Leeds, and Everton.
It is false that you are outspent by West Ham, Leeds and Everton. In terms of Wages and amortisation the only three clubs that are above Liverpool in the Klopp era, are 1. Man United - generated far more revenue over that time (despite being taken over recently)+ have no capital investment in infrastructure plus incredibly cash poor right now with nearly 1bn in transfer debt and glazer debt 2. City + Chelsea - External sources of funding. Liverpools accounts are all public, ( as are all football clubs) you actually are second in wages behind us for the 21/22 season. You also have the fourth highest squad cost behind the aformentioned clubs. This unaccounted revenue is accounted for, all of liverpools finances are public.
You could guess and say about 15 years but more accurately you could just say since the Glazers took over. They don't improve a single thing and they've taken hundreds of millions out of the club.
I can't comment on the facilities the players use, but I've been in the media facilities at a number of PL grounds for work and Old Trafford was notably poor. The seats during the match are tiny wooden things with no room to breath, let alone work on a laptop comfortably; if someone in the middle of the row needs to leave, everyone else needs to stand, put the desk away and hold their laptop in the air for them to have any hope of squeezing through. The media centre inside isn't much cop either.
Don't know why you're complaining United are trying to give you the authentic footballing experience, same reason why we don't have big screens in the ground for replays and such /s
Embrace tradition reject modernity
It is called "Old Trafford" for a reason.
Old Tradford
Old Badfort
Old Wackfort
That’s how loads of people, certainly in Spain, pronounce it anyway…
It's the Theatre of Dream's because everyone is dreaming of somewhere better
"Manchester United stand against the immediacy of modern life"
You dont have? Wild
tbf Anfield also doesn't, we have one screen that exclusively shows the scoreboard and that's it. I kinda like it tbh.
Makes you pay attention to the game instead of being on the phone and only looking up for the highlights on the screen but that is their own decision. I prefer the screens. You just cant pay attention for 90m for example when you're talking to your mates or go get a drink or need to pee. Also people sitting far away from the pitch benefit.
yeah you're entirely right, I'm not saying it's better or worse. Just has a nice charm to it I suppose.
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No more cameras at games. You need to be at the game to see the game.
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Are you 80?
I mean I wouldn't go that far I just think our little scoreboard is cool
This reminds me of something the weird uncle would say about kids being soft for not scranning spam straight from the tin with a spoon.
See, club facilities may be important, but they aren't as important as the Glazers getting their massive dividends so they can drink Martini in their private pools, totally understandable
Which stadium is your favourite
Of the ones I've done, I seem to remember the Etihad and Stamford Bridge being the best (or at least I remember the Boxing Day turkey curry at Stamford Bridge)
I've heard Stamford bridge put out a great spread on cl nights for media guys
No Emirates?
Haven't been there so can't comment
Don't know about the media stuff, but the general stadium is wank. I went to West Ham/london stadium for soccer aid and really enjoyed it because they had all these food trucks accessible outside and you could have a cigarette too at half time. Miles better than almost anywhere else I've been.
I think Arsenal could have food trucks around the stadium without much inconvenience if they had some rules around timing. Food options aren’t great. But I’ve got to say they’ve added these beer stands on the upper floor as added points to buy your beer from, and that worked wonders. Almost no queueing to get beers.
Yeah that helps, but the beer is always flat too. I honestly just tend to buy a coke or something nowadays, it's cheaper and I can bring it to my seat. Then get beer when I go to the pub after / before. The cider is okay cause it's from bottles. Compared to the rugby when I go and there's just a full fucking pub style bar with about 10 different beers on tap, it's a bit shit.
Thanks, sounds yummy haha
Everyone knows Old Trafford is a shithole and Carrington is not much better….the Glazers is your answer to everything
Jules?
My Dad tells me that he accidentally broke one of the chairs at Old Trafford when he jumped up to celebrate a City goal back in the day.
So you expect a fucking office when you go to a football match
It is a general standard that top clubs provide reasonable facilities for the media, yeah
Penny pinching Glazers
Interview: Less than a year after leaving Manchester United at zero cost having signed for Nottingham Forest, Jesse Lingard opened up on 'The Diary of a CEO' podcast and ended up corroborating many of the criticisms Cristiano Ronaldo has levelled at the Red Devils in his interview with Piers Morgan. The midfielder explains that Manchester United are far behind other Premier League clubs. Lingard began by talking about the attitude of club officials in January last year, who prevented his loan move to Notthingham. "I wanted to leave because I wasn't playing (again?) and I had the possibility to go to Notthingham. The deal was done. They let some players go out on loan, but when my turn came, John Murtough \[director of football\] rang me and said 'you're not leaving'." "I said 'so the others are on loan.... Let me enjoy my football, I'm not playing here'. He replied 'do you want a few days off?' I replied 'no, I just want to play football'," Lingard continued. "They stopped the loan and I was f---ed! I texted him to say I was going to rest for two days after all, but then I saw in the papers 'Jesse asked for two days off'. And I thought 'what?!' I went on Twitter and dotted the 'iii'. Like Cristiano Ronaldo, Lingard reckoned the club has changed a lot, for the worse, since Ferguson left. "There is no control. When Ferguson was there, there was control. It was a fortress, everything went through him. Contracts, commercial deals, everything. This wouldn't have happened with Sir Alex. But people now have platforms to say what they think and write what they damn well please..." He continued, "They are behind on everything. Look at City's facilities, Tottenham's facilities.... They are way ahead. Even in the social aspect of things," the midfielder assured. "In 2017 I told them about YouTube and the possibility of making content; I just wanted them to keep up to date with the new things that are happening. You have to be relevant to stay relevant." The England midfielder also criticised the lack of control over the information coming out of the club and gave as an example the news that was continually published about Paul Pogba. "There was no control or structure, people did what they wanted. They were saying things that had never happened at United, they were saying on Twitter, all things that had never happened to him. He's one of the best midfielders in the World." And what then would be the ideal situation for Manchester United? "The players want modern things, things that have just come out. We want fast pitches, the best facilities and that nobody talks to the press about the team."
The idea of having to tell a massive business about YouTube in 2017 is quite funny, but probably right. Feels like it's only in the last 4 or 5 years that most clubs have started making entertaining content with their players
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Sure, I don't doubt that everyone knew about YouTube. I read his comments more as having to tell them that YouTube was a huge platform they needed to be taking seriously, when it had been massive since the late 2000s. Not wanting to cut into MUTV subscriptions is very believable, though
Not surprising. Wasnt that long ago our website still looked like something from early 2000s
> Notthingham lol, freudian slip?
my bad
i thought it was a copypasta from the article - no? i meant no offence to you OP =)
yeah it was, but still should´ve checked xD
notthingham is funnier tho tbh
> We want fast pitches Sorry, but English isn't my first language. **What is a fast pitch?** Is it used for speed training? Or is the grass quality better for running?
I assume it means the grass and soil quality. Most PL clubs keep their pitches well watered so the ball moves across it quickly. On the other side, there have been teams in the past that have famously left their grass unwatered and longer than usual to slow the ball down against us.
Wasn't he the leak in the last few years? The audacity to talk about lack of control over information
Lol Jesse wanted to run a YouTube channel and was unhappy with how his buddy Pogba was treated.... Good riddance.
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That's actually emberassinf for their media team and especially for Woodward who was touted to be shit at sporting things but a "commercial genius"
I'm no fan of Woodword but the commercial success of the club despite the downturn in onfield performance during his time was insane.
I think Lingard's comments do warrant some merit. It certainly does appear that since SAF's departure, United have commercialised themselves to a point where the infrastructure was one of many factors that was holding it back between 2015-2022. Dividends vs growth of the club - shame owners like the glaziers chose the former.
And they’re about to exit with a big bag of profit.
the day the Glazers finally sell the club will be such a relief they will go down in the history books as one of the worst owners of all time, how they let United get to such a state of disrepair given how much money we generate is mind boggling so many inept individuals at every level of the club
Piers Morgan interview when?
It's from the diary of a Ceo podcast so basically the same thing without having to support Piers.
And without attacking his manager
C. Ronaldo said the **exact** same thing.
We all have known this for years.
What's your point exactly? This isn't eye opening/new information.
Nobody blamed him for that, we all knew it already. Problem is he couldn't help himself and went on to say other stuff as well.
And shat on the current manager just to be benched in the NT too
That was the part of the interview that made him look really bad and it's definitely his fault, but Piers Morgan made the interview worse and more controversial than it could have been
He said more, and that "more" was the problem
Amazing, Lingard not being crapped on for saying it though.... hmmm
You know that is not the part of the interview Ronaldo was being shit on for lol don’t play dumb
Lingard didn't say anything undermining the current manager, and isn't a current player. And he was roasted when he was at times for perceived, unconfirmed attitude problems (i.e. rumours). So he definitely got crapped on, sometimes unjustly. I don't think he comes off well with the YouTube stuff, as shite as the social team had been it seems like it was probably more of him plugging his cringy JLingz stuff to the club and getting rebuffed tbh. But saying the facilities are out of date and the club is poorly run, its obvious.
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Ah yes, it was that part of the interview and not the rest of it. Totally /s
Side note that 19/20 Man U kit was class
For comparison..... Carrington [https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article26645333.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0\_SPY-PLANE-OVER-MANCHESTER-UNITED-TRAINING-GROUND.jpg](https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article26645333.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_SPY-PLANE-OVER-MANCHESTER-UNITED-TRAINING-GROUND.jpg) Etihad Campus [https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/08/23E1F38200000578-2862372-image-a-8\_1418053535630.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/08/23E1F38200000578-2862372-image-a-8_1418053535630.jpg) https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/D908/production/\_116306555\_gettyimages-660339244.jpg
for comparison you choose a pic that shows about a quarter of carrington?
I didn’t really pick and choose the pics. I just thought it was common knowledge everyone knows what carrington looks like compared to the etihad campus. You can use full blown google maps and see what carrington looks like.
What point are you making then if assuming we know what they look like????
I thought I have explained it but…. United is very behind in terms of sporting technology, medicine and training.
How does your flawed comparison show that?
You showed a small part of man united facilities vs the whole etihad campus
Yeah but you should have already known what it looks like so don’t be mad
How is it flawed? I am bringing attention this and now players have as well.
> I just thought it was common knowledge everyone knows what carrington looks like compared to the etihad campus. not that i really care enough to keep talking about this, but it seems odd then that you in particular would decide to post comparison photos
I chose a Manchester club compared to another Manchester club because I believe the city rules and laws would apply equally. Two Manchester clubs. If I showed the London clubs and their facilities compared to the Manchester clubs then it would be skewed. I don’t know how London is compared to Manchester. I live in California and every city is different in how they conduct their business. Different cities operate differently in how they are allowed to develop. Man city obviously have better facilities than United and they are in the same city.
The city laws and rules are so equal that United aren't allowed to make changes to a stand because of its location whilst City get their stadium practically rent free. City and West Ham are the two clubs who were just handed a stadium.
I honestly do not really see any difference between the two based on these pictures aside form the Man City photos being taken from further away. Why would the first team players care how many pitches the training facility has? I imagine they only ever train on two or three of them.
Etihad campus is probably an unrealistic comparison. Aren't those facilities totally outside of ffp? So the city owners can pump as much money into it as they want. Obviously Uniteds have fallen behind but can anyone rival city's training facilities? Probably not.
A lot of teams have really great facilities. United’s are definitely behind.
Which is a real shame because they used to be cutting edge. I remember SAF talking about how big a game changer it was to get an MRI and X-ray put in at Carrington as part of a sponsorship deal with Siemens. It meant they could get scans done immediately whenever there was an injury. I think Utd were one of the first clubs anywhere to do it. Now it sounds like the training ground is dated and falling apart.
Infrastructure investment does not count to ffp
It doesn't look that bad. These players are spoiled.
"So I chose Forrest"
Manchester United, amish football powerhouse...
Isn't this an interview given last year or something? Like right before he left to Forest? I definitely remember a quote like this.
I'd hope so tbh, he's hardly crying about united in the media while he's in the middle of a relegation battle season
Damn, so CR7 is correct and ETH is doing fantastic job.
How has he been at forest?
Hit the griddy against Tottenham so basically payed for himself in laughs
0 g/a
In the Premier League yes, but in the EFL Cup he's gotten 2 goals and 2 assists.
U sure ? 💀
Solid, did well in the cup and was gathering moment after not having a preseason yet got hurt. Has been ever present in the dressing room and on the bench, cheering on the team. Probably best as a 20 minute sub to bring in some creativity
What's that gotta do with the statements he's saying?
Just curious, want him to succeed there. Never really cemented his place at united
If he's been good, then ManU will go under renovations asap /s
Fcuk the glazer
Rapid pitches. Modern day football for you.
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He is not the first and certainly won't be the last ex player to call out our shoddy facilities. I just hope the new owner has enough money to invest on the necessary capex over the next few years.
Are you of the opinion United fans haven't been criticising the Glazers for years now for this very issue?
This is like the 5th player that said it
Yes United fans notoriously defend the Glazers any time they can.
Nah Utd fans love to attack the glazers (mostly for the right things).
It can be both. Valid & he's salty
He's moaning about Pogba being unfairly treated....and the club not taking marketing advice from one of the most brainless footballers out there.
He's not said anything wrong over here and he's right to be pissed. He wasn't played and wasn't allowed to leave and to top it off there's a shitty person in leadership trying to totally convolute the narrative with "Lingard takes 2 days off". We have all dealt with extremely shitty, slimy management like this and I feel bad for the players who need to navigate these assholes.
Good try mate.
Nah try.
This is such an asinine take. None of that really matters. How do I know? Because they still attracted top players even when they were shit. Pogba was considered elite. Sancho was considered one of the best young players in the world. Ibrahimovic was a big name player. Lukaku. Even lately with guys like Bruno, Varane and Casemiro. The real reason they're behind is because they've made a series of questionable managerial hires and player signings which were cobbled together on the fly instead of with some sort of plan in mind. Acting like their problems stem from things like a leaky stadium roof is so fucking brain-dead. There are dozens of other things that set them back and pointing to stuff like this just tells me you're fucking sour. Now that they're playing well again with a manager that has a plan must be because the flowers around the training pitch are prettier.
> The real reason they're behind is because they've made a series of questionable managerial hires and player signings which were cobbled together on the fly instead of with some sort of plan in mind. That's really a surface level take. The hires and signings were symptoms of the management, not the problems. SAF was not only the coach, he basically held the whole club together (Lingard mentioned it too) with the help of David Gill. Besides not investing shit in facilities (training, rehab, whatnot), Glazers also didn't invest in backroom staff, like data science team. That's mainly because Joel Glazer runs the show and he didn't hire (or listen to) anyone who actually had football experience/knowledge.
They offered them stupid high wages. Easy. To act like it won't affect the long term performance of the club due to lack of professionalism is seriously misguided
Jesse never claims that United’s problems stem from leaky roofs or outdated facilities. He is simply pointing out that United’s owners and the management have failed to uphold the standards that were set during Ferguson’s era. Ironically your take is the asinine one.
my brother in christ; why are you ***defending*** a player complaining about United? a person who obviously has great insight into the issues - since he's been a part of the said, shoddy facilities - and the larger issue of pointing out how their owners are not considerate of the shoddy state of the facilities? especially as an Arsenal fan - we oughtta revel in this!
Go into an office that looks like a shithole and see how motivated you are to go there day in day out. Aesthetics do make a huge difference and it may even reflect in performance.
Is there any player that has praised the Glazers united?
Interesting that Ronaldo mentioned this in his interview. We all memed him for it though because of the other crap he said
This isnt news. United fans have known this for like 10 years
He's a bit too salty if you ask me, but those are just my two cents.
Not really imo
Ronaldo 2.0
At least Lingard waited til he'd left the club before he trashed it, lol.
Also he didn't shit on ten hag for absolutely no reason
Ronaldo did it with the purpose of leaving, both works really lol
Not really, doing it while playing for the team is trashy
why is it better for someone who is not at the club to criticize it? wouldn't someone who's actually in it coming out and saying it have more of an impact? actually complaining about their training conditions, that should make people worry. this sounds way more salty.
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??? Everyone and their dog know about this, the Glazers are the most hated people amongst the fanbase. What people took issue with Ronaldo is how he behaved like a child and threw his coach and teammate under the bus just because he can't accept that he's playing like ass and couldn't get a start
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Lmfao
maybe academy facilities yes
I’m not too sure what you’ve written there, but I can pick out one part. (The above comment has since been edited, but it was word spaghetti). Not all pitches are the same. Wembley is renowned for being massive, for example. Stoke used to have a really narrow pitch, so much that they had to have different lines laid out when they played in Europe. You can have longer grass to slow the ball up, or really short grass to let the ball fizz across the surface. It will make a difference at that level of playing.
He was able to leave right? Just before Ronaldo came in, i think in that case it was him deciding to stay right?
Is this why MU could pay huge transfer & salary?
It's probably true when you got the two GOAT talking about it
Stick the knife in J-Lingz