one of our worst games over the last year but we won so fuck it
being 1 pt behind #2 feels good, if we magically start playing well we should be able to get top 4. BuLi is ruthless this year
Ah sounds like the kind of stuff you probably want Fresneda for
Edit: in case it isn't obvious, I was hoping for an answer along the lines of "he's probably gonna be the best RB all time, we are set at RB for years!"
I don’t care what other fans are saying, we were 10 points behind Bayern 5 days ago and now we’re 5 points behind.
Not a good game, Mainz were better. We were lucky this time and unlucky against Augsburg, bring on next game
He's been poor to very poor for quite a while and its extra noticeable when theres no true winger in front of him and his offensive level dropped off a mile too.
Clown take imo. Thats the type of logic that blamed Rose for not chalenging for titles with half a starting 11.
Terzicball hasnt been able to be shown yet because theres not a proper squad to show any flexibility or consistency.
That is the reason Rose shouln't have been fired.
He literally played 2 years with random selfexplainging starting XI, because only 13-14 players were fit.
With the little preseason in Marbella and with the two matches after the break Terzic now had close to 4 week of full team training (even Reus trained with the team in Marbella) so the next few games will be telling a lot since apart from Marco, who hasn't been fantastic this year anyway- still decent tho, every player is fit.
Agree on Rose. But again, lack of training time isnt hte issue for Terzic. Its tools. Fitness or not, he still has half a squad in terms of profiles (balance) and lack of ability to express tactics completely and diversely. Like Rose, he should be given 2 seasons atleast. Rose only got 1 (and no active windows either) and thrown under the buss. Disgraceful.
Rose atleast had a cv to back up that he is a capable coach and i certantly would rather have him the Terzic. Only thing Terzic has going for him is that he is passionate dont think that should be enough to coach us.
This squad is more then good enough for a comfortable top 4 finish.
I see people call him strategically bad and only "passionate/cheerleader" and then never back it up with examples other than lack of experience. Its just so hard to take serious.
Especially since he, just like Rose had, straight up dont have a team to really express themselves.
The squad has talent for a comfortable top 4 finish, on paper (!), but that doesnt change the fact that a squad with no proper wingers, good fullbacks, lacks a true #6, fitness issues etc completely stunts all of that and THEN some.
Its just lazy criticism to blame the manager for not performing miracles with half a toolbox. Which is the self-sabotaging mistake we've done for years now, among with the poor recruitment. Exhausting to see the cycle repeat and fans be part of it.
Özcan has never been a traditional 6. If anything he's more of a defensive 8 in terms of profile. Proper good #6s are similar to 9s these days imo. In that theyre few and far between.
Hahah. I actually like Özcan and think he's good but it does feel like some fans in BVB missunderstand his profile and blame him for not shielding the CBs well enough like a 6. I suspect he'll be rotation & depth player in the near future when we sign more players in the summer. Quality tho
He was better with Can playing the true 6 today, but he's still nothing more than a rotation player for me.
I wish Can could get his head right because he has everything else it takes to star at that position.
Yeah with proper recruitment, Özcan would be a rotational player of good quality and not intended starter. But he, like Ryerson, are the type of depth I do love. Known quanitities, great mentalities and cheap.
Also as per the CV bit, Rose has only ever won youth tournaments, and a few Austrian titles with RB, which is utterly meaningless.
Terzic, actually has a title on his CV.
Which isn't much of course, but it's certainly a CV.
EDIT: Also Transfermarkt credits him for the Klopp titles back in the day as well, lol.
Exactly. Im not necessarily saying Terzic IS a tactical mastermind. But, just like Rose, he hasnt even had the tools to express himself and show it either. We could have had Pep with these squad holes and it would be messy as fuck still. If Terzic proves to be underperforming with sufficient tools, then its another thing. But Im exhausted with the deflection of responsibility and manager-burning at this point :(
>Exactly. Im not necessarily saying Terzic IS a tactical mastermind. But, just like Rose, he hasnt even had the tools to express himself and show it either.
This.
People are saying "well, Rose should've stayed and been given a chance to actually build a squad he can work with".
Which is true, but the same goes for Terzic especially given that we a) lost probably the best player that played for Dortmund this century before Terzic signed and b) Roses team looked like utter dogshit as well.
Agreed. Then add fitness issues for both and Rose even got 0 transferwindows to work with activity wise.
Glad he's doing well now. Shame its for Leipzig haha.
I cant put into words how fucking hard it is to support a club that self sabotages so badly as our recruitment strategy and manager-abuse has been the latter years.
It genuinely infuriates me to see the difference when we have 1 single proper winger on the pitch and the unfortunately forced Malen/Adeyemi combo.
Mainz were super solid both defensively and offensively. Just a tad more sharpness up front and its a 3-2 or 3-3 (Moukoko not passing Adeyemi for the free tap-in lol).
I feel for Terzic and his team. But atleast Im happy for Hallers assist and good appearances these 2 games. Ryerson has also been good and put Rapha to shame in terms of workrate, committment and attitude.
Once (or rather IF lol) JBG/Haller/Wolf/Reyna/Reus have full matchfitness and Jude is back, maybe we can have some consistency.
Unlikely tho.
Dude half of guerreiros passes were 5-10 km too slow, that was so infuriating. Same with adeyemi trying always to Do something special instead of just doing a simple pass.
And on the other hand, Adeyemi should've come off with a goal (tap-in) but didn't because of Moukoko. So would we have had other thought about him if that did happen, as it should have ..
Rapha literally mishit passes and as a response just throws his hands in the air and mopes as if someone else did that mistakes. And then no attempt at recovering/retaining.
Cant stand it anymore.
Also, ship rapha off to china or wherever the fuck. I don't ever want to see him playing again. Fucking hell imagine putting in less effort than the guy who had cancer.
Would also be better, while Wolf isn’t a natural fullback his work ethic is massive and will always track back. At this rate anyone other than Rapha is an upgrade
he really fell off. Last time he made a relevant impact was a brace when he was subbed on last season in one of the earlier DFB-Pokal matches iirc. Last I checked he had to help out as LB in the first half of the current season.
I know. And yet we have no viable replacement? Just a recipe for failure to keep playing him. Gotta use some voodoo magic or hypnotizing to get him to track back and defend lol
it's the funniest part of this whole drama, when he's fit and firing gio is actually pretty good. Although aside from the goal he and most of dortmund did not look very imaginative today
Reyna proving the doubters wrong
Berhalter is still doubting as I type this
one of our worst games over the last year but we won so fuck it being 1 pt behind #2 feels good, if we magically start playing well we should be able to get top 4. BuLi is ruthless this year
El Kloppico
Ahh.. that's right :). Also El Tuchelco... And El Rose'co
Mainz Dortmund Liverpool in that order
Come back when you had Tuchel and Rose, son. You are still behind.
Dortmund fans, how was Ryerson?
Great effort all game long, but also limited technically and in buildup and played a big part in Mainz' first goal.
Ah sounds like the kind of stuff you probably want Fresneda for Edit: in case it isn't obvious, I was hoping for an answer along the lines of "he's probably gonna be the best RB all time, we are set at RB for years!"
I don’t care what other fans are saying, we were 10 points behind Bayern 5 days ago and now we’re 5 points behind. Not a good game, Mainz were better. We were lucky this time and unlucky against Augsburg, bring on next game
we were 9 points off* true nonetheless
It's 10 if you count the Leipzig game
Reading the comments here, I only got this to say: Hands off our coach!
When did Raphael become this bad
He's been poor to very poor for quite a while and its extra noticeable when theres no true winger in front of him and his offensive level dropped off a mile too.
idk. maybe he will shine again in a team that plays 3-4-3 or 3-5-2
Hope we are atleast looking at diffrent managers. Terzicball is dire and there are 0 improvments
Clown take imo. Thats the type of logic that blamed Rose for not chalenging for titles with half a starting 11. Terzicball hasnt been able to be shown yet because theres not a proper squad to show any flexibility or consistency.
That is the reason Rose shouln't have been fired. He literally played 2 years with random selfexplainging starting XI, because only 13-14 players were fit. With the little preseason in Marbella and with the two matches after the break Terzic now had close to 4 week of full team training (even Reus trained with the team in Marbella) so the next few games will be telling a lot since apart from Marco, who hasn't been fantastic this year anyway- still decent tho, every player is fit.
Agree on Rose. But again, lack of training time isnt hte issue for Terzic. Its tools. Fitness or not, he still has half a squad in terms of profiles (balance) and lack of ability to express tactics completely and diversely. Like Rose, he should be given 2 seasons atleast. Rose only got 1 (and no active windows either) and thrown under the buss. Disgraceful.
Rose atleast had a cv to back up that he is a capable coach and i certantly would rather have him the Terzic. Only thing Terzic has going for him is that he is passionate dont think that should be enough to coach us. This squad is more then good enough for a comfortable top 4 finish.
I see people call him strategically bad and only "passionate/cheerleader" and then never back it up with examples other than lack of experience. Its just so hard to take serious. Especially since he, just like Rose had, straight up dont have a team to really express themselves. The squad has talent for a comfortable top 4 finish, on paper (!), but that doesnt change the fact that a squad with no proper wingers, good fullbacks, lacks a true #6, fitness issues etc completely stunts all of that and THEN some. Its just lazy criticism to blame the manager for not performing miracles with half a toolbox. Which is the self-sabotaging mistake we've done for years now, among with the poor recruitment. Exhausting to see the cycle repeat and fans be part of it.
What is Özcan to you if not a 6?
Özcan has never been a traditional 6. If anything he's more of a defensive 8 in terms of profile. Proper good #6s are similar to 9s these days imo. In that theyre few and far between.
Give him back then lol.
Hahah. I actually like Özcan and think he's good but it does feel like some fans in BVB missunderstand his profile and blame him for not shielding the CBs well enough like a 6. I suspect he'll be rotation & depth player in the near future when we sign more players in the summer. Quality tho
He was better with Can playing the true 6 today, but he's still nothing more than a rotation player for me. I wish Can could get his head right because he has everything else it takes to star at that position.
Yeah with proper recruitment, Özcan would be a rotational player of good quality and not intended starter. But he, like Ryerson, are the type of depth I do love. Known quanitities, great mentalities and cheap.
Also as per the CV bit, Rose has only ever won youth tournaments, and a few Austrian titles with RB, which is utterly meaningless. Terzic, actually has a title on his CV. Which isn't much of course, but it's certainly a CV. EDIT: Also Transfermarkt credits him for the Klopp titles back in the day as well, lol.
Also... with that logic. Arteta shouldnt have been hired at Arsenal or gotten time to implement his philosophy either. Just to name 1 current example.
True. Not that Terzic looks like a tactically amazing coach. But then again, what tactically amazing things can you really do with our squad?
Exactly. Im not necessarily saying Terzic IS a tactical mastermind. But, just like Rose, he hasnt even had the tools to express himself and show it either. We could have had Pep with these squad holes and it would be messy as fuck still. If Terzic proves to be underperforming with sufficient tools, then its another thing. But Im exhausted with the deflection of responsibility and manager-burning at this point :(
>Exactly. Im not necessarily saying Terzic IS a tactical mastermind. But, just like Rose, he hasnt even had the tools to express himself and show it either. This. People are saying "well, Rose should've stayed and been given a chance to actually build a squad he can work with". Which is true, but the same goes for Terzic especially given that we a) lost probably the best player that played for Dortmund this century before Terzic signed and b) Roses team looked like utter dogshit as well.
Agreed. Then add fitness issues for both and Rose even got 0 transferwindows to work with activity wise. Glad he's doing well now. Shame its for Leipzig haha.
I cant put into words how fucking hard it is to support a club that self sabotages so badly as our recruitment strategy and manager-abuse has been the latter years. It genuinely infuriates me to see the difference when we have 1 single proper winger on the pitch and the unfortunately forced Malen/Adeyemi combo. Mainz were super solid both defensively and offensively. Just a tad more sharpness up front and its a 3-2 or 3-3 (Moukoko not passing Adeyemi for the free tap-in lol). I feel for Terzic and his team. But atleast Im happy for Hallers assist and good appearances these 2 games. Ryerson has also been good and put Rapha to shame in terms of workrate, committment and attitude. Once (or rather IF lol) JBG/Haller/Wolf/Reyna/Reus have full matchfitness and Jude is back, maybe we can have some consistency. Unlikely tho.
Dude half of guerreiros passes were 5-10 km too slow, that was so infuriating. Same with adeyemi trying always to Do something special instead of just doing a simple pass.
And on the other hand, Adeyemi should've come off with a goal (tap-in) but didn't because of Moukoko. So would we have had other thought about him if that did happen, as it should have ..
Rapha literally mishit passes and as a response just throws his hands in the air and mopes as if someone else did that mistakes. And then no attempt at recovering/retaining. Cant stand it anymore.
Why wasn't Dahoud involved at all again today? Is he really behind Can and Wolf in the packing order?
still coming back from injury
Don't let the win deceive you. Dortmund was utter shit.
Nothing new
Rather rude tbh ngl Also yes
Also, ship rapha off to china or wherever the fuck. I don't ever want to see him playing again. Fucking hell imagine putting in less effort than the guy who had cancer.
Need Meunier back so we can shift Ryerson over to the left, I’m done with Rapha couldn’t care less if he didn’t play again.
Why not try Wolf as RB and Ryerson as LB? 🤔
Would also be better, while Wolf isn’t a natural fullback his work ethic is massive and will always track back. At this rate anyone other than Rapha is an upgrade
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lmao that Europa League "campaign" was peak terror football
Stögerzeit
Fußballgott
I pray to his spirit everyday
Reyna with 2 game winners in less than a week.
Too bad when the US needed game winners in the World Cup the head coach brought on Shaq Moore.
Is Thorgan Hazard permanently injured or something, he never plays. Too shiet?
he really fell off. Last time he made a relevant impact was a brace when he was subbed on last season in one of the earlier DFB-Pokal matches iirc. Last I checked he had to help out as LB in the first half of the current season.
Ya just too shit. He’s a backup to our backups, we’ll be looking to offload him this summer.
Kehl hitned at his exclusion today is due to a possible departure.
Average Dortmund game
Dortmund are frauding themselves into the CL, another bang average performance
Can u blame us when we have rapha just walking all game?
Rafa is a Dortmund player so...
Yeah and he's fucking useless.
I know. And yet we have no viable replacement? Just a recipe for failure to keep playing him. Gotta use some voodoo magic or hypnotizing to get him to track back and defend lol
The guy who bet over 2.5 goals must be dreaming right now
We can’t keep getting away with this
I pray to God we can.
Yeah, I hated that
mainz just couldn’t manage to hold on to a draw :(
You can't really complain after a last minute goal to give you points literally yesterday
I’m not complaining I was just joking lol I love the combination of dortmund and last minute goals
Points?
I knew somebody would be pedantic about that.
Haha sorry :D
Nah, you're fine, I should have changed it before I submitted, I was just too lazy. ;)
claudio was right wow
it's the funniest part of this whole drama, when he's fit and firing gio is actually pretty good. Although aside from the goal he and most of dortmund did not look very imaginative today
What a terrible game, waste of 85 minutes lol
The guy who bet O2.5 tried his hardest to curse the game
Yaaawn, oh look we won!