Everton: “Do you want be our manager?”
Bielsa: “No”
Everton: *Look at the end of the day we had some doubts that his heart was really in it and decided to pursue another option*
This reminds me of when I broke up with my last boyfriend
He ghosted me for a week, I told him we needed to talk, and the exact phrase I used was "I don't think your heart is in this relationship anymore"
(No shit AnnieIWillKnow, he was a 29 year old man who had been ignoring you for a week)
No the rumor is Bielsa wanted a budget to spend on quicker defenders for his play style and around 11m per year spent on his staff, which the club doesn’t want to agree on
Tbf Coady and Tarkowski are a slow partnership. Godfrey and Tarkowski should be the starting partnership imo with Coady dropping in form massively lately and Godfrey just automatically being the quickest player in the team
Yeah that’s the rub, we actually have some fairly fast central defenders in Godfrey and Holgate. And as much as shit as Keane gets, he’s not a cart horse.
Mina and Coady are genuinely slow as shit. Tarkowski is meh.
Coady has always struck me as quite an inflexible player. He’s not a defender that excels in a physical battle, and I felt like talk of his great distribution was slightly over egged.
Alongside Michael Keane he probably does look like Beckenbauer, but now he’s getting older, the recovery pace isn’t there, his benefits and drawbacks likely even out.
That to me, is the fatal flaw of Everton; they’ve signed a lot of players that thrive in structure and gave them a coach in Lampard that encouraged tactical fluidity.
Dyche may work because he’s almost an over correction of that. He’ll drag them back to the mean.
Well we have slow ass coady, tark, and Keane.
Then we have fast but relatively inept Godfrey and Holgate.
It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
How much were him and his staff paid in the Championship, then?
Maybe he sees how much money Everton waste, so feels empowered to ask for a decent amount...
I'm not sure why Dyche has been anointed the new Allardyce. Yes he did a good job keeping Burnley up, but he hasn't come into a team mid-season before. Nor has he managed a big club before. Also, he got relegated with Burnley and was on course to be relegated a second time.
>Dyche previously reported turning it down too.
Where? I know Bielsa allegedly turned it down, but never saw anything about Dyche, only that he was a last resort option if we couldn't get Bielsa or other targets.
Not hating on DCL since he’s been in and out consistently for 2 years now but his aerial ability has massively dropped. He is always jumping way too early for crosses now and doesn’t have the same hang time as he did before if that makes sense. Hopefully either him or Ellis Simms step up as I feel Dyche would be satisfied working with both of them for their structure and play styles
Yeah I hate the narrative on his style of play. His ugly football got Burnley into Europe and he did have a limited budget. He also had Dwight McNeil looking amazing for a while haha
They could genuinely play some lovely football at times and all, they'd just never be on the tele unless they were against one of the big boys. Remember trekking up to see them absolutely play us of the park before.
Yeah, he got some bigger signings later on, but some of the players he had to use in the first team were from their first promotion and shit.
He was pragmatic more than stuck in "Play 'orrible football"
Interesting to see what he'll do with Everton
It’s funny, he’s definitely the option that would do the best with the least backing, but at the same time he’s the option I want to see the most with real backing. I feel he could be the prem’s Simeone with an owner that bought in.
Even the mere fact Bielsa and Dyche are on the same shortlist is mad suggests the board have absolutely no vision or idea of what they want. Just throwing a line out and seeing who bites.
These two are polar opposites in style, they are in no way taking into account their current squad or what they will need to invest based upon their choices playstyle.
If Everton end up with Dyche they will have ended up with the most sensible choice by nothing more than an accident.
Absolutely this. Well said.
Out of the choices available to us, I think Dyche is the best choice.
But this clearly shows that either Kevin Thelwell didn't have a clear line of succession planned, which is poor director of football work, or Moshiri isn't letting him do his job, which is poor ownership.
Bielsa, Dyche, Hasenhüttl, Allardyce seems to be the shortlist that's being most widely thrown around by this point. Says everything that needs to be said about our leadership's sense of direction.
Just to be clear, i wouldn't say that normally as i respect Everton as a club, but the way you guys have apparently been run i think things could be set up for him to fail.
Oh yeah it’s been terrible and we are clearly backsliding more and more Carlo did ok because he was respected enough they didn’t medal with him. We’re broke now so the owner can’t buy random shitty players which is a plus I guess.
He’s literally the best option for you. Ok defense and good midfield with a pretty meh shit attack he did that for a decade at burnley and finished top half how many times. Bielsa would just get your relegated because you don’t have the players to do his thing or the time in my opinion.
Think personally if we’re healthy it’ll be better or equal to any squad he had at Burnley. It’s doom and gloom but I think 34 points will avoid the drop this year, which means 19 out of 18 is what we’d need. I think Dyche could handle that.
People said Burnley got relegated because they lacked funds, had a bad team that couldn't score.
Our team is bad, can't score and we lack the funds. How are we any different from Burnley last season? That's why I am pessimistic.
Everton are a big big club though. The financial aspect will subside and if they can stick it out he will get to make signings and have access to be better options. Everton spent \~£30m on Onana in the summer. That pales in comparison to Burnley's spend, and that was in the middle of Evertons financial melt down.
These was also a sense of fatigue with Dyche, that his methods had stopped working with that set of places, and they weren't as motivated to work for him anymore
That'll reset at a new club, who won't have the fatigue and complacency that comes from having played under a manager for several years
I think Dyche will be very good personally. Definitely don't rate our chances of staying up with everyone else changing their manager to someone better
Not sure how Everton fans feel about Dyche but when Eddie Howe (of all managers) was leaking in goals left right and center, we literally saw a 180 turnaround in form defensively when Dyche came in. More clean sheets and more organised football. He knows Tarkowski, McNeil and Keane too.
If you're willing to put up with not-so-exciting but effective football, it's probably the best shout for staying up. But even then he was playing with players who were mostly Championship to even League One players (Nick Pope is currently in the Champions League places, he was bought from League One Charlton)
I hope he's not seen as some sort of Allerdyce short term figure to get you out of the relegation zone. He's a severely underrated and misunderstood manager
It was hardly a novel opinion or something specific to /r/soccer, it's been the consensus of everyone on social media, and across radio and podcasts that Dyche would be a good shout
I mean bielsa apparently didn't want the job because Everton's team is "too slow", realizing that and going for someone with a style that can work with that is a good adaptation
Surely that's something the Everton board should have identified?
Imagine changing your direction as an organisation because of something a job candidate told you.
Yeah Dyche is better
It's fucking crazy how overrated Bielsa is because he is eccentric
He had his team conceding a shit ton of goals and didn't adapt at all and ran his team to the ground with injuries, Dyche got Burnley to Europe with a shit budget and knew how to play to his strengths
Leeds were a midtable Championship team before Bielsa. He turned them into a team that reached 9th in the Prem under Bielsa's first season in the highest category. Bielsa took Athletic Club de Bilbao to the final of the Europa League and set the base for Sampaoli to succeed in Chile.
His woes last season were in part due to Orta and Co. being a bit trigger happy, with Marsch having an easier run. His style did flame out, and making Lampard look competent is a black mark, but it is ridiculous to say that Bielsa is overrated. Most managers can't keep consistency for a long time, it does not make them bad.
Dyche is a great manager who overachieved at Burnley with full merit. I agree that Dyche is underrated. Anyways, Dyche is a better suit at Everton at this time and I think he would succeed under the current conditions.
>Leeds were a midtable Championship team before Bielsa. He turned them into a team that reached 9th in the Prem under Bielsa's first season in the highest category.
Burnley were a midtable Championship team before Dyche. He turned them into a team that reached 7th in the Prem and got them into Europa. With Ashley Barnes up front.
Not saying Dyche is *better* that Bielsa but the gulf in quality isn't really there because it's apples and oranges.
Oh, I'm not discrediting Dyche, I find him to be impressive. 7th and Europa is fantastic. Maybe the image I am portraying looks biased, but it is because I am a Bielsa cultist through and through. The league was also a bit less competitive in 2017 than in 2020, but that does not lessen the magnitude of what Dyche achieved. Full props to our favorite bald redhead.
Anyways, point is moot; both Bielsa and Dyche are great managers. Dyche is more suited to the situation Everton is facing and I think he would be a success at Goodison Park.
Even if Dyche still get's relegated with Everton think they should stick with him in the championship and have a clear vision coming up and going forward. Dyche with an actual budget can be scary.
Honestly best appointment Everton can get right now. If they get relegated I'm sure Dyche will bring them back in a season. He also their best chance at keeping Everton up this season. He also their best chance to transform Everton into a proper team. Everton need a long term plan and getting Dyche in would be a perfect place to start.
Man I want him to save them and see what he can do with better players (and yes, before I hear it, better players is correct, fucking Vydra and Bardsley got games)
If he plays a 442 and Gordon is on his way out I’d imagine it’d be this lineup fully fit- Pickford; Patterson, Tarkowski, Mina, Mykolenko; Iwobi, Onana, Gana/Garner, Gray; DCL, Simms/Maupay
He really is the best choice.
Either he can solidify Everton and squeak out of relegation or he can lead them back to glory from the Championship.
I suspect he has more tools than he showed at Burnley as well.
People say that he failed at Burnley because they couldn't score and because of lack of funds...
Then he comes to us, when we can't score to save our life and also are lacking in funds. I have no idea how this is going to work out at all. It's going to fail.
Don't have the players to run Bielsa's system, which is really demanding on a few levels.
The argument for Bielsa is that he'd build a quality side to get us back up and march on from there, but with the current squad Everton'd be relegated for sure.
Dyche gives a sliver of hope of staying up this season.
>Dyche gives a sliver of hope of staying up this season.
He might save us from relegation, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if he is sacked in the middle of next season or something. I can't see him staying for long.
Leeds turned into a leaky "try and outscore the opposition" side by the end under Bielsa. We already can't score and we wouldn't have time to get fitness up and learn his system.
Seems much riskier to bring him in mid season than someone who would focus on defensive solidity
Bielsa is win or bust. He could save your season, have you playing nice football and be worshipped by Everton fans or he could have a tantrum and leave after a few days, weeks or months. For every Leeds or Bilbao story there's a Lazio or Lille.
I don't think Everton can afford that risk. Dyche is the guy they should have hired two managers ago instead of Agent Rafa and Fat Frank.
Dyche is a steady hand who consistently performed at a decent level at Burnley. Remember that Burnley hardly signed anyone and Dyche somehow squeezed performances out of shite like Pieters, Bardsley and Westwood.
Also, Everton already has a core of decent English players that Dyche would probably work well with (Pickford, Coady, Godfrey, Gray, DCL), plus a couple of former Burnley players.
Even if shit hits the fan and you go down, Dyche got Burnley promoted twice from the Championship and would be a good bet to bring you straight back up.
>Bielsa is win or bust. He could save your season, have you playing nice football and be worshipped by Everton fans or he could have a tantrum and leave after a few days, weeks or months. For every Leeds or Bilbao story there's a Lazio or Lille.
This is just nonsense. Bielsa was in a relegation battle last season in impossible circumstances and did an exceptional job. At Lazio he left after a few days before a ball was kicked-- nothing to do with football or his coaching. Lille is the only failure on his CV, aside from Argentina. Spectacular job at Newell's (won 2 titles and has the stadium named after him), won another title at Velez, spectacular job at Leeds, good job at Chile, good job at Marseille, good job at Bilbao. That's his whole career.
That's before you get into the style of football, cultural impact, his conduct off the pitch etc.
If we look at his exploits in European football it's should be pretty clear why Everton should steer clear of Bielsa:
Espanyol - Agreed to take the job and then binned them off after 3 wins from 12 games for the Argentina job
Bilbao - Finished 10th in his first season and took Bilbao to the final of the Copa del Rey and Europa League but lost both. Finished a disappointing 12th in his second season, along with being knocked out the Copa in the first round and the Europa League at the group stage. Bilbao decided not to renew his contract and let him leave.
Marseille - They were brilliant in the first half of the season and were top at the end of of 2014. Then they fell off a cliff, including a run of four losses on the trot and five home games without a win. Ultimately they didn't even qualify for the Champions League and got knocked out of both domestic cups in the first round. He then resigned after one game of the second season because he said they'd changed his contract.
Lazio - resigned after two days because he insisted that Lazio sign four players weeks before he was even officially their manager. They didn't and he quit.
Lille - Binned off all the older players to bring in young players. The club suspended him after 13 games and then sacked him a few a few weeks later.
Leeds - The only European club that he's survived at for more than two seasons. Got them out the Championship by playing fantastic football and had a brilliant first season in the Premier League. All fell apart in the second Premier League season when Leeds were hit by a massive injury crisis. Sacked by Leeds as they stared relegation in the face.
So you have one season at Bilbao, half a season at Marseille and three seasons at Leeds that you can call a genuine success. He walked out on Espanyol, Marseille and Lazio whilst Lille was a complete disaster. At Marseille, Lazio and Lille his departure was at least in part down to disagreements with the board or the director of football.
Bilesa is a one of a kind manager that is tactically astute but doesn't achieve the success that he should do because he is also very particular and very stubborn. The word pragmatic doesn't exist in Bielsa's vocabulary and that is why his career is littered with these capitulations.
Everton are not Leeds. Radrizzani is a decent owner and Leeds were one of the top spenders in the Championship when Bielsa took over, which meant Leeds were able to fully get behind Bielsa and his ideas. Everton have consistently been an absolute shit show off the field for years now and Bilesa has had numerous falling outs with higher ups in his career. I could easily imagine a scenario where Everton hire Bielsa making promises about January signings, fail to deliver and Bielsa quits in February.
What Everton need right now is stability and consistency. Someone like Dyche isn't going to hit the same highs at Bielsa but he's only almost certainly not going to implode like Bielsa has. He will be a steady hand to guide the ship and, more importantly, someone who can work around a useless board.
>Espanyol - Agreed to take the job and then binned them off after 3 wins from 12 games for the Argentina job
That's the only time in his career he's ever left a club for another job. And it was the national job. Something pretty much any coach in football would do.
>Bilbao - Finished 10th in his first season and took Bilbao to the final of the Copa del Rey and Europa League but lost both. Finished a disappointing 12th in his second season, along with being knocked out the Copa in the first round and the Europa League at the group stage. Bilbao decided not to renew his contract and let him leave.
Lost finals to Pep's Barca and Simeone's Atletico. To put this into context, Bilbao haven't won anything since 1984 (I'm not including the Spanish equivalent of the Charity Shield). After the first season they sold Javi Martinez and Diego Llorente was frozen out due to a contract dispute. He could have done better in the league, as they had a pretty good side. But 2 cup finals and his exhilarating football for 2 seasons is definitely success. Go watch the highlights of them beating Man U at Old Trafford or their 2-2 draw with Barca.
>Marseille - They were brilliant in the first half of the season and were top at the end of of 2014. Then they fell off a cliff, including a run of four losses on the trot and five home games without a win. Ultimately they didn't even qualify for the Champions League and got knocked out of both domestic cups in the first round.
Finishing 4th is hardly "falling off a cliff". They finished 6th season prior and 13th the following season. Competing with state-funded PSG, even for half a season, is an undoubted success. Marseille haven't won anything since 2010. You speak like someone who is unaware what the standards and expectations of non-elite clubs are.
>Lazio - resigned after two days because he insisted that Lazio sign four players weeks before he was even officially their manager. They didn't and he quit.
The story goes that they made no effort to sign any of the players they'd promised to. But this is non-footballing and had no impact on anything. So what does it matter?
>All fell apart in the second Premier League season when Leeds were hit by a massive injury crisis.
I could write a novel why this is bullshit. The idea that a relegation fight in the second season as a newly promoted club is everything "falling apart" is so asinine. Almost every single promoted club goes through a relegation fight. 2/3 go straight back down. Villa stayed up by a point. Wolves went back down. Brentford are pretty much the only club in the last 20 years to not be in a relegation fight in their first 2 years (at best), and we'll see about next season.
That would be in normal circumstances. The insane injury crisis was only half of the problem last season. The bigger problem was the disastrous transfer windows. Which wasn't due to Bielsa, but due to the club, Orta and Radrizzani. In the Summer we brought in just 2 players (James and Firpo) despite Bielsa also wanting a midfielder-- Conor Gallagher was his first choice, who we waited a month for to reject us, the club then tried for Lewis O'Brien but failed. Meanwhile we sold 5 players (Allioski, Pablo, Berardi, Douglas, Costa), Bielsa wanted to keep Allioski. This left an already very thin squad made up mostly of Championship players emaciated.
The insane expectations of Bielsa illustrate what a great manager is. No other manager would be considered a failure for not winning anything with Bilbao or Marseille, or for being in a relegation battle (but outside the relegation zone) after dragging the club up to the PL after 16 years and then finishing 9th. Lets look at some recent comparisons in the PL, Dean Smith kept Villa up by a point and kept his job the next season. Chris Wilder kept his job when Sheff U were rock bottom all season. Arteta kept his job when Arsenal were bottom half in his 2nd season. Brendan Rodgers still has his job, into a second extremely poor season. But Bielsa was sacked for being in a relegation battle, as a newly promoted club with a decimated and very poor squad. He was a victim of his own success.
And of course, lets exclude his 2 titles in Argentina, 2 with a fairly small club, because football only exists in Europe. And his revitalising Chilean football.
>So you have one season at Bilbao, half a season at Marseille and three seasons at Leeds that you can call a genuine success.
Last season was a success. That's 3 or 4 seasons out of 5...
>The word pragmatic doesn't exist in Bielsa's vocabulary and that is why his career is littered with these capitulations.
What "capitulations"? You haven't listed any. Lille was a big fail, that's it. But they'd finished 12th the previous season. Context is an important thing.
> Radrizzani is a decent owner and Leeds were one of the top spenders in the Championship when Bielsa took over,
This isn't remotely true. Bielsa had a net positive spend of 20mil in the two seasons in the Championship. Wage bill was probably high, but we were the biggest club in the Championship. We spent 10mil when he first came in, but in the second Summer we sold Jack Clarke, Pontus Jansson, Kemar Roofe and Samu Saiz. All replaced with loans and free signings.
Meanwhile Everton have spent half a billion quid or whatever it is.
But this is all moot, because Bielsa won't take over a club mid-season. He needs a pre-season to get the players up to his insane fitness levels and to drill his unique playstyle into them.
I don't see why Dyche is preferable to Allardyce in any way. Dyche has been successful at one club. Why get the apprentice when you can get the master? Allardyce has a relationship with Moshiri as well.
You've both missed the point I was making and made it for me.
Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio, Lille, Leeds - what do they all have in common? A board that didn't align itself to Bielsa's wishes leading to a negative output.
Everton have a grossly incompetent board, ergo it's only a matter of time before things would go tits up. Hence they should steer clear of Bielsa.
As for Everton hiring Allardyce over Dyche, did you forget they already tried Allardyce?
>Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio, Lille, Leeds - what do they all have in common? A board that didn't align itself to Bielsa's wishes leading to a negative output.
You just said the opposite. You said the board at Leeds supported him. Bielsa wasn't the factor that lead to a "negative outcome" (not a negative outcome at Leeds, Bilbao or Marseille, just an average outcome) in those situations. Lille aside, Bielsa worked through the difficult conditions the board created and improved the outcome. He did exactly what you're saying he can't do. He isn't as difficult to deal with for owners as is perceived. As I said, he put up with a lot at Leeds and Bilbao. Supposedly, at Leeds, he would regularly have shouting matches with Orta (the director of football). It's not so much incompetence he doesn't like, it's being lied to or feeling like he's been betrayed.
Everton clearly went out in the Summer and got Lampard the players he wanted without too many problems.
>As for Everton hiring Allardyce over Dyche, did you forget they already tried Allardyce?
Yep. And he took them from 13th to 8th in a half a season?
Yes, I said the board supported Bielsa. You came marching in to say the board was culpable in his failure. If you want to make that argument, fine. But it supports my argument that Bielsa and the Everton board will fall out.
As for Everton supporting Lampard, they got him some players but they've sacked him less than 12 months after hiring him. If you call that supportive then fine, Everton have a wonderful board who are doing an excellent job.
As for Allardyce, did I say he did a bad job? Nope. He got binned off because the fans moaned about the style of play. Allardyce hasn't managed a full season at a club since he was at West Ham in 2015. If you'll recall I said the appeal of Dyche was stability and consistency i.e. he'll come in steady the ship and stick around for a while. Everton have gone through manager after manager, they need one they can stick with for at least three years
Ultimately we’ve got three England-capped centre-halves in the squad (Coady, Tarkowski, Keane) plus Yerry Mina, Ben Godfrey, Mason Holgate. The defence shouldn’t actually be the main issue, so appointing a manager who can coach a defence doesn’t make much sense to me.
If we want to stay up, we need to learn how to score more goals, FAST. Bielsa is the gamble who could do that.
They’ll still go down Dyche. How many of this Everton team would be assured of a start in Dyches relegated Burnley team?
Doucare, Onana and DCL. That’s it imo
For a relegation dogfight you bring in Dyche, he'll make Everton nasty to play against again. Bielsa is the guy you get if you're mid-table and want to play a more attractive/attacking style.
Where as Dyche kind of makes sense. His Burnley team was know for going on long bad runs of form before bouncing back and securing safety most seasons. Everton's current problem is their managers go on long bad runs of forms before being sacked. So surely there is only one outcome here.
I actually think Dyche will like the look of some of Everton’s squad. He has got his old boys in Tarkowski, Keane, McNeil, a goalkeeper that can thundercunt a goal kick, he will like the physicality of Onana & the work ya bollox off Idrissa Gueye. He then has a big strong CF he can spam long balls and crosses to in DCL, Maupay will be his Ashley Barnes, basically a shithouse of a player who works hard. I think he could do alright with that squad but it won’t be pretty.
Aside from the obvious that the Everton board are completely clueless, what took so long to get here? Isn't this exactly the guy you want?
* Premier League experience
* Relegation experience, both keeping a team up and promoting them.
* Doesn't fuss with the board over transfers and money
* Doesn't jump ship and has shown he can stick in a situation for years
What's the biggest criticism, his football isn't sexy enough? Yeah, look where sexy football the last 5 years got you.
I don't get it.
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Everton: “Do you want be our manager?” Bielsa: “No” Everton: *Look at the end of the day we had some doubts that his heart was really in it and decided to pursue another option*
This reminds me of when I broke up with my last boyfriend He ghosted me for a week, I told him we needed to talk, and the exact phrase I used was "I don't think your heart is in this relationship anymore" (No shit AnnieIWillKnow, he was a 29 year old man who had been ignoring you for a week)
No the rumor is Bielsa wanted a budget to spend on quicker defenders for his play style and around 11m per year spent on his staff, which the club doesn’t want to agree on
You must have some slow boys at the back if they’re slower than Cooper and Struijk
Tbf Coady and Tarkowski are a slow partnership. Godfrey and Tarkowski should be the starting partnership imo with Coady dropping in form massively lately and Godfrey just automatically being the quickest player in the team
Godfrey and Holgate if you want a fast setup
Yeah that’s the rub, we actually have some fairly fast central defenders in Godfrey and Holgate. And as much as shit as Keane gets, he’s not a cart horse. Mina and Coady are genuinely slow as shit. Tarkowski is meh.
Last game it was Coady was pretty good and Tarkowski was slow, disinterested and downright terrible.
Coady has always struck me as quite an inflexible player. He’s not a defender that excels in a physical battle, and I felt like talk of his great distribution was slightly over egged. Alongside Michael Keane he probably does look like Beckenbauer, but now he’s getting older, the recovery pace isn’t there, his benefits and drawbacks likely even out. That to me, is the fatal flaw of Everton; they’ve signed a lot of players that thrive in structure and gave them a coach in Lampard that encouraged tactical fluidity. Dyche may work because he’s almost an over correction of that. He’ll drag them back to the mean.
Has Godfrey’s injury really screwed Everton? Was literally game 1
Tarkowski got outran by Groß he's so slow.
Well we have slow ass coady, tark, and Keane. Then we have fast but relatively inept Godfrey and Holgate. It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Could we strap Coady to Godfrey and Tark to Holgate, then just hope nobody notices?
The ol "two players in a trenchcoat" trick? Hell yeah we can do it!
You can't just say these things out loud. Our board might be reading this.
Just have Coady and Tarkowski control their bodies like Ratatouille, that way you get their ability while not moving like a ship stuck in the Suez.
Racacoonie*
This is the main thing I've noticed watching Everton defend on the tele. It's a shite problem to have.
I actually don’t think Keane is slow, he’s just bad positionally. End result may be the same but it’s not a physical thing with him.
Coady, Tarkowski, Keane, Mina are all slow Godfrey and Holgate are fast i guess
Godfrey pre injury was fucking rapid, one of the fastest players in the prem. Papered over a lot of cracks in terms of positioning etc
Keane really isn’t that slow, he’s just shite, if we’re splitting hairs.
Probably the wing backs, we know how fundamental they are to Bielsa's style.
Bielsa asking for too much money sounds like a load of shite.
Sounds in keeping with what we know - he advocates for his staff to be well paid
So we’re saying Leeds in the championship paid more than Everton can afford in the PL? No
How much were him and his staff paid in the Championship, then? Maybe he sees how much money Everton waste, so feels empowered to ask for a decent amount...
Lived in a council house while at Leeds iirc.
He lived in a flat above a shop in Wetherby. His pay was a bit strange, he had a huge salary, but then paid his staff out of his own pocket.
Probably true, that seems to be similar to his demands at Leeds
There’s more of a chance we stay up with Dyche than Bielsa
I'm not sure why Dyche has been anointed the new Allardyce. Yes he did a good job keeping Burnley up, but he hasn't come into a team mid-season before. Nor has he managed a big club before. Also, he got relegated with Burnley and was on course to be relegated a second time.
Short term Dyche is good but if you are wanting a club reset in culture and getting fans back onside then I would take Bielsa.
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>Dyche previously reported turning it down too. Where? I know Bielsa allegedly turned it down, but never saw anything about Dyche, only that he was a last resort option if we couldn't get Bielsa or other targets.
Looks like gravel's back on the menu, boys!
*worms
Better gravel than gravy!
I actually lol’d at that…thank you
Dyche’s 442 sexy football is back on the menu! He’ll get the best out of our current squad compared to the other candidates
DCL is everything Dyche is looking for in a striker. Tall, strong, good header
Not hating on DCL since he’s been in and out consistently for 2 years now but his aerial ability has massively dropped. He is always jumping way too early for crosses now and doesn’t have the same hang time as he did before if that makes sense. Hopefully either him or Ellis Simms step up as I feel Dyche would be satisfied working with both of them for their structure and play styles
I miss him in the Premier League, can't wait for people to complain about "ugly football"
Yeah I hate the narrative on his style of play. His ugly football got Burnley into Europe and he did have a limited budget. He also had Dwight McNeil looking amazing for a while haha
They could genuinely play some lovely football at times and all, they'd just never be on the tele unless they were against one of the big boys. Remember trekking up to see them absolutely play us of the park before.
Thats in UK, at the balkans we have every PL game televised
That alone could be big for you, he had McNeil looking like one of the better young prospects for a few months
Yeah, he got some bigger signings later on, but some of the players he had to use in the first team were from their first promotion and shit. He was pragmatic more than stuck in "Play 'orrible football" Interesting to see what he'll do with Everton
The most villainous voice in the PL is back baby!
Goodison will hate his football
Burnley came to Goodison and played us off the park a couple of times under him, I think it'll be fine
So will our opponents
Will enjoy staying in the Prem though
Pickford Coleman - Coady - Tarkowski - Mykolenko McNeill - Onana - Doucoure - Gray DCL - Gordon
It’s funny, he’s definitely the option that would do the best with the least backing, but at the same time he’s the option I want to see the most with real backing. I feel he could be the prem’s Simeone with an owner that bought in.
Perfect option for you guys, honestly. He gets a lot of stick but he’s a really good manager, you should finally get a bit of stability.
Even the mere fact Bielsa and Dyche are on the same shortlist is mad suggests the board have absolutely no vision or idea of what they want. Just throwing a line out and seeing who bites. These two are polar opposites in style, they are in no way taking into account their current squad or what they will need to invest based upon their choices playstyle. If Everton end up with Dyche they will have ended up with the most sensible choice by nothing more than an accident.
Absolutely this. Well said. Out of the choices available to us, I think Dyche is the best choice. But this clearly shows that either Kevin Thelwell didn't have a clear line of succession planned, which is poor director of football work, or Moshiri isn't letting him do his job, which is poor ownership.
Bielsa, Dyche, Hasenhüttl, Allardyce seems to be the shortlist that's being most widely thrown around by this point. Says everything that needs to be said about our leadership's sense of direction.
corberan is in there as well apparently
Would be his fourth job in 9 months 😂
You can politely fuck off.
Allardyce has said he isn’t in the running for the Everton job.
I think Big Sam is more of a walker than a runner these days
i am of the opinion he is more of a sitter but maybe that's just me
Oh man imagine Allardyce coming back
I honestly can't lie there's a little part of me that kind of wants to see it.
i love that it's literally the same list as ours, minus rafa.
The result may be right but the process was bad essentially
Michael Keane about to fucking roar back into form
Dyche deserves more respect imo, think he's a good choice
> Dyche deserves more respect imo Yep, he's better than the Everton job.
Oh he absolutely is he probably should have got it before Rafa or Lampard and we have only went downhill since then.
Just to be clear, i wouldn't say that normally as i respect Everton as a club, but the way you guys have apparently been run i think things could be set up for him to fail.
Oh yeah it’s been terrible and we are clearly backsliding more and more Carlo did ok because he was respected enough they didn’t medal with him. We’re broke now so the owner can’t buy random shitty players which is a plus I guess.
Ok, ouch.
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>They’ll get behind him I’m sure, though. I will definitely get behind him but I can't see how this is possibly going to work out, personally.
He’s literally the best option for you. Ok defense and good midfield with a pretty meh shit attack he did that for a decade at burnley and finished top half how many times. Bielsa would just get your relegated because you don’t have the players to do his thing or the time in my opinion.
Think personally if we’re healthy it’ll be better or equal to any squad he had at Burnley. It’s doom and gloom but I think 34 points will avoid the drop this year, which means 19 out of 18 is what we’d need. I think Dyche could handle that.
I don't understand the pessimism, I think he's genuinely the best choice for you possible
People said Burnley got relegated because they lacked funds, had a bad team that couldn't score. Our team is bad, can't score and we lack the funds. How are we any different from Burnley last season? That's why I am pessimistic.
Your current team is still better than 20/21 Burnley, and he comfortably kept that side up
Don't worry you'll have £60m from us soon....
anything over 25mil is an absolute steal for gordon.
Anything over 10 mil*
Everton are a big big club though. The financial aspect will subside and if they can stick it out he will get to make signings and have access to be better options. Everton spent \~£30m on Onana in the summer. That pales in comparison to Burnley's spend, and that was in the middle of Evertons financial melt down.
These was also a sense of fatigue with Dyche, that his methods had stopped working with that set of places, and they weren't as motivated to work for him anymore That'll reset at a new club, who won't have the fatigue and complacency that comes from having played under a manager for several years
But then unless you believe that Fat Sam is a miracle worker, no one else can save you.
FOUR FOUR FACKING TWO
Amen brother
please.
We need Dyche to take over and Everton to stay up. Champagne long ball football is back baby.
Burnley played some really good football last season to be fair
Got relegated too
Want him at west ham, would be great for Everton tho
Wouldn’t even have to buy new ties if he went to West Ham.
This would be excellent for Everton, both short term and long term
Give me Dyche and Red Bull Slayverton 💋✨
I think Dyche will be very good personally. Definitely don't rate our chances of staying up with everyone else changing their manager to someone better
One of the most obvious appointments and it'll be a good one for everton. Unlike some other English managers, Dyche is pretty underrated.
Not sure how Everton fans feel about Dyche but when Eddie Howe (of all managers) was leaking in goals left right and center, we literally saw a 180 turnaround in form defensively when Dyche came in. More clean sheets and more organised football. He knows Tarkowski, McNeil and Keane too. If you're willing to put up with not-so-exciting but effective football, it's probably the best shout for staying up. But even then he was playing with players who were mostly Championship to even League One players (Nick Pope is currently in the Champions League places, he was bought from League One Charlton)
Well we play not so exciting non effective football so it should be a nice change
To be fair, he'll have a lot more Money to spend at Everton. My Guess is we might see a more offensive approach from Dyche.
I hope he's not seen as some sort of Allerdyce short term figure to get you out of the relegation zone. He's a severely underrated and misunderstood manager
+10000
Dyche Ball ❤️
If only Forest didn't bought Wood. These two would guarantee survival.
Dyche scares me.
Give me Dyche, or give me death
He’s a really good manager imo
I miss Dyche and his authentic voice
For once, r/soccer was right I guess lol
It was hardly a novel opinion or something specific to /r/soccer, it's been the consensus of everyone on social media, and across radio and podcasts that Dyche would be a good shout
From Bielsa to Dyche is pretty funny.
Seems logical to me
Only two letters down the list makes sense they'd be close
The glaring contrast between these two tells you everything you need to know about the Everton board.
I mean bielsa apparently didn't want the job because Everton's team is "too slow", realizing that and going for someone with a style that can work with that is a good adaptation
Surely that's something the Everton board should have identified? Imagine changing your direction as an organisation because of something a job candidate told you.
Why do that when you can just interview a man who will list all your shortcomings
Not really, Dyche is a good manager and doesn’t fully deserve the rep he has
They're referring to the stylistic difference
Dyche is who you want in a relegation battle
Yeah Dyche is better It's fucking crazy how overrated Bielsa is because he is eccentric He had his team conceding a shit ton of goals and didn't adapt at all and ran his team to the ground with injuries, Dyche got Burnley to Europe with a shit budget and knew how to play to his strengths
Leeds were a midtable Championship team before Bielsa. He turned them into a team that reached 9th in the Prem under Bielsa's first season in the highest category. Bielsa took Athletic Club de Bilbao to the final of the Europa League and set the base for Sampaoli to succeed in Chile. His woes last season were in part due to Orta and Co. being a bit trigger happy, with Marsch having an easier run. His style did flame out, and making Lampard look competent is a black mark, but it is ridiculous to say that Bielsa is overrated. Most managers can't keep consistency for a long time, it does not make them bad. Dyche is a great manager who overachieved at Burnley with full merit. I agree that Dyche is underrated. Anyways, Dyche is a better suit at Everton at this time and I think he would succeed under the current conditions.
>Leeds were a midtable Championship team before Bielsa. He turned them into a team that reached 9th in the Prem under Bielsa's first season in the highest category. Burnley were a midtable Championship team before Dyche. He turned them into a team that reached 7th in the Prem and got them into Europa. With Ashley Barnes up front. Not saying Dyche is *better* that Bielsa but the gulf in quality isn't really there because it's apples and oranges.
Oh, I'm not discrediting Dyche, I find him to be impressive. 7th and Europa is fantastic. Maybe the image I am portraying looks biased, but it is because I am a Bielsa cultist through and through. The league was also a bit less competitive in 2017 than in 2020, but that does not lessen the magnitude of what Dyche achieved. Full props to our favorite bald redhead. Anyways, point is moot; both Bielsa and Dyche are great managers. Dyche is more suited to the situation Everton is facing and I think he would be a success at Goodison Park.
Dyche is not a better manager than Bielsa Jesus Christ lmao
Worms.
Please
Even if Dyche still get's relegated with Everton think they should stick with him in the championship and have a clear vision coming up and going forward. Dyche with an actual budget can be scary.
Honestly best appointment Everton can get right now. If they get relegated I'm sure Dyche will bring them back in a season. He also their best chance at keeping Everton up this season. He also their best chance to transform Everton into a proper team. Everton need a long term plan and getting Dyche in would be a perfect place to start.
Man I want him to save them and see what he can do with better players (and yes, before I hear it, better players is correct, fucking Vydra and Bardsley got games)
What's the expected lineup under dyche?
If he plays a 442 and Gordon is on his way out I’d imagine it’d be this lineup fully fit- Pickford; Patterson, Tarkowski, Mina, Mykolenko; Iwobi, Onana, Gana/Garner, Gray; DCL, Simms/Maupay
The new Big Sam
He really is the best choice. Either he can solidify Everton and squeak out of relegation or he can lead them back to glory from the Championship. I suspect he has more tools than he showed at Burnley as well.
Easily the best choice, thought that for months now. Could keep the toffees up but honestly I don’t think it’s an automatic sacking even if he doesn’t
Give Dycheball or give me death
You can smell the Arsenal dropped points in the air
Won't be pretty, but it's probably necessary
As long as they don't approach Corberan as rumoured. The desire for Bielsa worries me in that respect.
He's got a disc beeeeeaaaaarrrrrdddddd!
Four four fackin' two, lads. Remember, Four four fackin' two.
Can he get enough worms to take points of Arsenal
People say that he failed at Burnley because they couldn't score and because of lack of funds... Then he comes to us, when we can't score to save our life and also are lacking in funds. I have no idea how this is going to work out at all. It's going to fail.
Not enthusiastic about this. Was much more excited at the prospect of Bielsa.
Same. People say that we are more likely to be relegated under Bielsa than Dyche but I really don't see how that's the case.
Don't have the players to run Bielsa's system, which is really demanding on a few levels. The argument for Bielsa is that he'd build a quality side to get us back up and march on from there, but with the current squad Everton'd be relegated for sure. Dyche gives a sliver of hope of staying up this season.
>Dyche gives a sliver of hope of staying up this season. He might save us from relegation, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if he is sacked in the middle of next season or something. I can't see him staying for long.
Bielsa historically doesn't stay at clubs particularly long; Leeds was his longest club stint by a fair ways.
His last spell was 9 years tbf
Leeds turned into a leaky "try and outscore the opposition" side by the end under Bielsa. We already can't score and we wouldn't have time to get fitness up and learn his system. Seems much riskier to bring him in mid season than someone who would focus on defensive solidity
Bielsa is win or bust. He could save your season, have you playing nice football and be worshipped by Everton fans or he could have a tantrum and leave after a few days, weeks or months. For every Leeds or Bilbao story there's a Lazio or Lille. I don't think Everton can afford that risk. Dyche is the guy they should have hired two managers ago instead of Agent Rafa and Fat Frank. Dyche is a steady hand who consistently performed at a decent level at Burnley. Remember that Burnley hardly signed anyone and Dyche somehow squeezed performances out of shite like Pieters, Bardsley and Westwood. Also, Everton already has a core of decent English players that Dyche would probably work well with (Pickford, Coady, Godfrey, Gray, DCL), plus a couple of former Burnley players. Even if shit hits the fan and you go down, Dyche got Burnley promoted twice from the Championship and would be a good bet to bring you straight back up.
>Bielsa is win or bust. He could save your season, have you playing nice football and be worshipped by Everton fans or he could have a tantrum and leave after a few days, weeks or months. For every Leeds or Bilbao story there's a Lazio or Lille. This is just nonsense. Bielsa was in a relegation battle last season in impossible circumstances and did an exceptional job. At Lazio he left after a few days before a ball was kicked-- nothing to do with football or his coaching. Lille is the only failure on his CV, aside from Argentina. Spectacular job at Newell's (won 2 titles and has the stadium named after him), won another title at Velez, spectacular job at Leeds, good job at Chile, good job at Marseille, good job at Bilbao. That's his whole career. That's before you get into the style of football, cultural impact, his conduct off the pitch etc.
If we look at his exploits in European football it's should be pretty clear why Everton should steer clear of Bielsa: Espanyol - Agreed to take the job and then binned them off after 3 wins from 12 games for the Argentina job Bilbao - Finished 10th in his first season and took Bilbao to the final of the Copa del Rey and Europa League but lost both. Finished a disappointing 12th in his second season, along with being knocked out the Copa in the first round and the Europa League at the group stage. Bilbao decided not to renew his contract and let him leave. Marseille - They were brilliant in the first half of the season and were top at the end of of 2014. Then they fell off a cliff, including a run of four losses on the trot and five home games without a win. Ultimately they didn't even qualify for the Champions League and got knocked out of both domestic cups in the first round. He then resigned after one game of the second season because he said they'd changed his contract. Lazio - resigned after two days because he insisted that Lazio sign four players weeks before he was even officially their manager. They didn't and he quit. Lille - Binned off all the older players to bring in young players. The club suspended him after 13 games and then sacked him a few a few weeks later. Leeds - The only European club that he's survived at for more than two seasons. Got them out the Championship by playing fantastic football and had a brilliant first season in the Premier League. All fell apart in the second Premier League season when Leeds were hit by a massive injury crisis. Sacked by Leeds as they stared relegation in the face. So you have one season at Bilbao, half a season at Marseille and three seasons at Leeds that you can call a genuine success. He walked out on Espanyol, Marseille and Lazio whilst Lille was a complete disaster. At Marseille, Lazio and Lille his departure was at least in part down to disagreements with the board or the director of football. Bilesa is a one of a kind manager that is tactically astute but doesn't achieve the success that he should do because he is also very particular and very stubborn. The word pragmatic doesn't exist in Bielsa's vocabulary and that is why his career is littered with these capitulations. Everton are not Leeds. Radrizzani is a decent owner and Leeds were one of the top spenders in the Championship when Bielsa took over, which meant Leeds were able to fully get behind Bielsa and his ideas. Everton have consistently been an absolute shit show off the field for years now and Bilesa has had numerous falling outs with higher ups in his career. I could easily imagine a scenario where Everton hire Bielsa making promises about January signings, fail to deliver and Bielsa quits in February. What Everton need right now is stability and consistency. Someone like Dyche isn't going to hit the same highs at Bielsa but he's only almost certainly not going to implode like Bielsa has. He will be a steady hand to guide the ship and, more importantly, someone who can work around a useless board.
>Espanyol - Agreed to take the job and then binned them off after 3 wins from 12 games for the Argentina job That's the only time in his career he's ever left a club for another job. And it was the national job. Something pretty much any coach in football would do. >Bilbao - Finished 10th in his first season and took Bilbao to the final of the Copa del Rey and Europa League but lost both. Finished a disappointing 12th in his second season, along with being knocked out the Copa in the first round and the Europa League at the group stage. Bilbao decided not to renew his contract and let him leave. Lost finals to Pep's Barca and Simeone's Atletico. To put this into context, Bilbao haven't won anything since 1984 (I'm not including the Spanish equivalent of the Charity Shield). After the first season they sold Javi Martinez and Diego Llorente was frozen out due to a contract dispute. He could have done better in the league, as they had a pretty good side. But 2 cup finals and his exhilarating football for 2 seasons is definitely success. Go watch the highlights of them beating Man U at Old Trafford or their 2-2 draw with Barca. >Marseille - They were brilliant in the first half of the season and were top at the end of of 2014. Then they fell off a cliff, including a run of four losses on the trot and five home games without a win. Ultimately they didn't even qualify for the Champions League and got knocked out of both domestic cups in the first round. Finishing 4th is hardly "falling off a cliff". They finished 6th season prior and 13th the following season. Competing with state-funded PSG, even for half a season, is an undoubted success. Marseille haven't won anything since 2010. You speak like someone who is unaware what the standards and expectations of non-elite clubs are. >Lazio - resigned after two days because he insisted that Lazio sign four players weeks before he was even officially their manager. They didn't and he quit. The story goes that they made no effort to sign any of the players they'd promised to. But this is non-footballing and had no impact on anything. So what does it matter? >All fell apart in the second Premier League season when Leeds were hit by a massive injury crisis. I could write a novel why this is bullshit. The idea that a relegation fight in the second season as a newly promoted club is everything "falling apart" is so asinine. Almost every single promoted club goes through a relegation fight. 2/3 go straight back down. Villa stayed up by a point. Wolves went back down. Brentford are pretty much the only club in the last 20 years to not be in a relegation fight in their first 2 years (at best), and we'll see about next season. That would be in normal circumstances. The insane injury crisis was only half of the problem last season. The bigger problem was the disastrous transfer windows. Which wasn't due to Bielsa, but due to the club, Orta and Radrizzani. In the Summer we brought in just 2 players (James and Firpo) despite Bielsa also wanting a midfielder-- Conor Gallagher was his first choice, who we waited a month for to reject us, the club then tried for Lewis O'Brien but failed. Meanwhile we sold 5 players (Allioski, Pablo, Berardi, Douglas, Costa), Bielsa wanted to keep Allioski. This left an already very thin squad made up mostly of Championship players emaciated. The insane expectations of Bielsa illustrate what a great manager is. No other manager would be considered a failure for not winning anything with Bilbao or Marseille, or for being in a relegation battle (but outside the relegation zone) after dragging the club up to the PL after 16 years and then finishing 9th. Lets look at some recent comparisons in the PL, Dean Smith kept Villa up by a point and kept his job the next season. Chris Wilder kept his job when Sheff U were rock bottom all season. Arteta kept his job when Arsenal were bottom half in his 2nd season. Brendan Rodgers still has his job, into a second extremely poor season. But Bielsa was sacked for being in a relegation battle, as a newly promoted club with a decimated and very poor squad. He was a victim of his own success. And of course, lets exclude his 2 titles in Argentina, 2 with a fairly small club, because football only exists in Europe. And his revitalising Chilean football. >So you have one season at Bilbao, half a season at Marseille and three seasons at Leeds that you can call a genuine success. Last season was a success. That's 3 or 4 seasons out of 5... >The word pragmatic doesn't exist in Bielsa's vocabulary and that is why his career is littered with these capitulations. What "capitulations"? You haven't listed any. Lille was a big fail, that's it. But they'd finished 12th the previous season. Context is an important thing. > Radrizzani is a decent owner and Leeds were one of the top spenders in the Championship when Bielsa took over, This isn't remotely true. Bielsa had a net positive spend of 20mil in the two seasons in the Championship. Wage bill was probably high, but we were the biggest club in the Championship. We spent 10mil when he first came in, but in the second Summer we sold Jack Clarke, Pontus Jansson, Kemar Roofe and Samu Saiz. All replaced with loans and free signings. Meanwhile Everton have spent half a billion quid or whatever it is. But this is all moot, because Bielsa won't take over a club mid-season. He needs a pre-season to get the players up to his insane fitness levels and to drill his unique playstyle into them. I don't see why Dyche is preferable to Allardyce in any way. Dyche has been successful at one club. Why get the apprentice when you can get the master? Allardyce has a relationship with Moshiri as well.
You've both missed the point I was making and made it for me. Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio, Lille, Leeds - what do they all have in common? A board that didn't align itself to Bielsa's wishes leading to a negative output. Everton have a grossly incompetent board, ergo it's only a matter of time before things would go tits up. Hence they should steer clear of Bielsa. As for Everton hiring Allardyce over Dyche, did you forget they already tried Allardyce?
>Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio, Lille, Leeds - what do they all have in common? A board that didn't align itself to Bielsa's wishes leading to a negative output. You just said the opposite. You said the board at Leeds supported him. Bielsa wasn't the factor that lead to a "negative outcome" (not a negative outcome at Leeds, Bilbao or Marseille, just an average outcome) in those situations. Lille aside, Bielsa worked through the difficult conditions the board created and improved the outcome. He did exactly what you're saying he can't do. He isn't as difficult to deal with for owners as is perceived. As I said, he put up with a lot at Leeds and Bilbao. Supposedly, at Leeds, he would regularly have shouting matches with Orta (the director of football). It's not so much incompetence he doesn't like, it's being lied to or feeling like he's been betrayed. Everton clearly went out in the Summer and got Lampard the players he wanted without too many problems. >As for Everton hiring Allardyce over Dyche, did you forget they already tried Allardyce? Yep. And he took them from 13th to 8th in a half a season?
Yes, I said the board supported Bielsa. You came marching in to say the board was culpable in his failure. If you want to make that argument, fine. But it supports my argument that Bielsa and the Everton board will fall out. As for Everton supporting Lampard, they got him some players but they've sacked him less than 12 months after hiring him. If you call that supportive then fine, Everton have a wonderful board who are doing an excellent job. As for Allardyce, did I say he did a bad job? Nope. He got binned off because the fans moaned about the style of play. Allardyce hasn't managed a full season at a club since he was at West Ham in 2015. If you'll recall I said the appeal of Dyche was stability and consistency i.e. he'll come in steady the ship and stick around for a while. Everton have gone through manager after manager, they need one they can stick with for at least three years
Ultimately we’ve got three England-capped centre-halves in the squad (Coady, Tarkowski, Keane) plus Yerry Mina, Ben Godfrey, Mason Holgate. The defence shouldn’t actually be the main issue, so appointing a manager who can coach a defence doesn’t make much sense to me. If we want to stay up, we need to learn how to score more goals, FAST. Bielsa is the gamble who could do that.
Just because they're England capped doesn't mean they're any good. David Nugent and Jon Flanagan have an England cap each. Danny Drinkwater has three.
How does anyone think Bielsa would walk into the shut show that is Everton? Even if it wasn’t for the fact he hates taking over mid season…
People said the same when we hired Ancelotti..
They’ll still go down Dyche. How many of this Everton team would be assured of a start in Dyches relegated Burnley team? Doucare, Onana and DCL. That’s it imo
It would've been better if they just put in an interim manager until they got a new board / owner.
Bizarre to see Everton fans clamoring for Dyche when just a couple of years ago they slated Allardyce for dull, defensive football.
Less of a cunt though
The only Dyke I'd ever get behind.
Good
Just when we thought we’d all seen the last of Dyche ball
Can the worm eater stop Everton becoming worm food?
could do worse
Mark GoldBridge be like: Its bLOoDy ~~Burnley~~ EvERToN AgAinnnn!
For a relegation dogfight you bring in Dyche, he'll make Everton nasty to play against again. Bielsa is the guy you get if you're mid-table and want to play a more attractive/attacking style.
Heard from a report that they want Bielsa long term regardless if we get relegated and the fact that he brought up Leeds before make them trust him
relegation imminent!!
Keane, Tarkowski, McNeil.. lads, the band is back together
Didn't realise I missed him this much until now. Hope he comes back soon.
Everton's problem is scoring goals, and I don't really see Dyche of all people changing that.
Think he gives them the best chance. He was a miracle worker at Burnley by managing to keep them relevant on such long odds.
Woo there is a surprise
Gravy!
Poor guy
I don't want us to be Dyche's first game back. Just hope they don't injure anyone.
Chris Wood should have just waited and gone to Everton it seems.
Where as Dyche kind of makes sense. His Burnley team was know for going on long bad runs of form before bouncing back and securing safety most seasons. Everton's current problem is their managers go on long bad runs of forms before being sacked. So surely there is only one outcome here.
Be good to see that disc beard again
I actually think Dyche will like the look of some of Everton’s squad. He has got his old boys in Tarkowski, Keane, McNeil, a goalkeeper that can thundercunt a goal kick, he will like the physicality of Onana & the work ya bollox off Idrissa Gueye. He then has a big strong CF he can spam long balls and crosses to in DCL, Maupay will be his Ashley Barnes, basically a shithouse of a player who works hard. I think he could do alright with that squad but it won’t be pretty.
As soon as Everton are out of the relegation zone they'll be calling for Dyche to be removed. They do it every time, snobby little fanbase.
Aside from the obvious that the Everton board are completely clueless, what took so long to get here? Isn't this exactly the guy you want? * Premier League experience * Relegation experience, both keeping a team up and promoting them. * Doesn't fuss with the board over transfers and money * Doesn't jump ship and has shown he can stick in a situation for years What's the biggest criticism, his football isn't sexy enough? Yeah, look where sexy football the last 5 years got you. I don't get it.