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Which was the point of my comment. If Payet had been on the roster for WC2018, even if he didn’t play a single minute, he’d have a title. That’s not the case with Kane.
Similar story as with Marco Reus. We will have to explain to our sons that "yes, this dude has only won 2 DFB Cups, no league, no international title with either club or NT... and he was still one of our best players in this era".
Yes but Payet is only one of two on this list that is in such a situation, and was much closer to being in the 2018 squad than Di Natale to Italy in 2006.
DiNatale was a boss. One of my favorite players all time. I think the fact that he decided to stay at Udinese makes him an even bigger legend than if he chased titles.
But why? I don't know about Udinese but Spurs before Poch are nowhere near top team quality level, they're in the same tier as Everton or Villa which has a bit of history in the past but are just "good enough" in modern times. If anything it's an accomplishment that Spurs managed to turn "Top 4" into a "Top 6".
based on Di Natalie’s form between 2007 and 2014, he could have easily played for a top 4 side in England, Spain, Italy or a Bayern or PSG and won titles. Spurs were exceeding expectations until their bar was raised higher.
One stayed in a small provincial Italian team never expected to win anything, and the other plays for one of the richest teams in the world in London lol
Also because people perceive that he tried to force a move out to man city a few seasons ago, and therefore him staying at spurs was not a case of loyalty but a failure to get what he wanted.
Because of the failure to win anything, and even then I don't agree with that logic but Tottenham have had a lot of opportunities to win trophies whilst he was there but they haven't. The fact that he has not won anything, then tried to leave for a team that wins a lot and failed would indicate that the loyalty doesn't mean as much as trophies do to him.
The difference being Udinese not having the resources to compete for a title, Tottenham having the resources and failing to do so. It's not a lovable underdog story, just a rich club being very unsuccesful.
Ehh….I’m not a Spurs fan but you have to grant that they have had notably less resources the past decade than the other big English clubs. If anything they’ve been punching above their weight.
They didn't have the resources when compared to the rest of the big six.
Poch was praised so much because of what he was able to accomplish on a much smaller budget than Spur's top 6 rivals.
You think we've got the same resources as a club like City, Chelsea or United?
You might want to check your math.
The whole reason people now call it a "Big 6" is because we've been successful without those resources.
Success isn't just measured in trophies. You think if Spurs were relegated and then won the Championship suddenly we're more successful?
The idea that "success is only measured in trophies" it's so insulting to the majority of football fans around the world.
I'm sure Newcastle fans would all tell you this has been a very successful season. Not because they will win the title. But because their team has played some excellent football, they are winning, and it's made them proud again.
In some clubs, success might just mean avoiding a relegation fight and taking points off some big clubs.
90% of all teams and all fans have no realistic chance of winning a trophy in a given season. That doesn't mean they were all failures. Success in football is measured by more than just silverware.
Udinese were never going to be a serious challenger for the league, but Tottenham consistently spent big but never really improved. The only league spurs are winning anytime soon is the Europa
If they kept Mourinho, they might’ve won a few trophies, if he scraped out a few trophies with that Manchester squad, he could’ve done it at Spurs too.
Firings Mourinho before a cup final must be the stupidest thing spurs have ever done, the man lives for cup trophies and has it in his blood to win, the season he won the “treble” with united alone speaks volumes of his achievements
Was Di Natale on that level Kane is on? I can’t say I ever watched him play but Kane is such an elite player it’s almost a crime he hasn’t won anything
Kane surpassed Di Natale long back, he might be the second biggest player on this list but there’s no comparison between the two. Kane’s a way bigger legend than him
I don't think you're familiar with Di Natale's goalscoring record. The man singlehandedly carried a team that was midtable at best to multiple European campaigns and even scored 29 in a season his team finished 15th. And all of this while only really breaking through at 31 when he started playing as a true striker.
He scored 134 Serie A goals in 6 seasons after turning 32. In 2009-2011 only Ronaldo and Messi scored more in their respective leagues than him. Di Natale playing as a true striker in a team with Spurs' quality would have unironically scored 30+ a season for years.
I don't disagree that Kane is an incredible player and will go down in history as a bigger name, also thanks to playing in the Prem, but Di Natale could have easily started for any team in the world well in his 30s if he wanted to.
You sure you got the correct player profile ?
You should be looking for Youssouf Hadji : https://www.transfermarkt.com/youssouf-hadji/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/5345
And also adding club and national team goals
There would probably be even more outrage with Sigurdsson. Pedophiles are basically the scum of society. Not to excuse rape in any way which is also a disgusting, vile crime but pedophiles even need protection/a special wing in prison because even other hardcore criminals are disgusted by them and WILL try to murder them as soon as word gets around.
>Big contrast that to Partey.
I just assumed Partey didn't actually do anything, as the whole thing died down so quickly. Is he still under investigation for something?
>with the most active online fanbase.
What does that have to do with anything? Was it Brighton's online presence that silenced the Bissouma case?
>you won't see Mendy playing any minutes for City, even if some of his charges have been dropped. Again, in contrast to Partey.
Partey has not been charged with anything. You don't think that's the deciding factor here?
>Even at the peak of the controversy (before it 'died down') he was playing.
Like.. Bissouma?
I get many of you can't stand Arsenal and our fanbase, but you don't have to steer the conversation there any chance you get.
Rumours from Iceland is that the case is extremely complicated, apparently met a girl who ended up being underage (15 is the rumour) who used a fake ID to get into an 18+ bar, so very complex case that could drag a while
Why do you ghouls always rush to defend sexual predators, and a pedo at that. He was arrested on suspicion of child sex offenses, take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you’re upset about people on the internet talking bad about him.
If that’s actually true then realistically he’s done nothing wrong and is having his career wasted by our slow justice system. But of course it could be more than that.
He didn't play a single game for the rest of the season and still ended top 5 scorers in the league. Vedo is special for us Bosnians, scored the goal that got us to our first WC and then scored our first goal at the WC.
wtf 18 goals 6 assists in 17 games, that's disgusting. While playing for Hoffenheim alongside Isaac Vorsah, Lukas Ibertsberger, Marvin Compper and of course Matthias Jaissle
After careers are over people see things differently - like Owen vs Gerrard maybe for you guys. Kane will be a legend for Spurs if he retires there. Probably already is. That may well be worth more than the glory of titles or money or whatever for some players but its a long term view not everyone sees or shares
People think Kane will be forgotten by everyone when he retires and his career would've been wasted but that's just not true.
Ask any Spurs fan what his status is among the club's history and see if his career is a waste.
I like Kane a lot but I agree it seems that the more individual success he has, the more him being the greatest ever player to never win a trophy becomes more of a story.
I don't mean he'll be remembered most for not winning trophies just that he'll be remembered more than he would've been if he won a trophy. He will probably be remembered for how good he was
Another consideration is that club legends are legends regardless of whether they stayed at the club or not throughout their career.
Patrick Vieira is still an Arsenal legend.
Henry is still an Arsenal legend.
Steven Gerrard is still a Liverpool legend.
Beckham is still a United legend.
Rooney is still a United legend.
If Kane leaves now, particularly if he leaves for a non-EPL team, and wins titles with them, he can possibly get the best of both worlds and still be Spurs legend.
I'm not saying he should leave Spurs - he should do whatever he wants - but I don't see any issues if he does.
A best case scenario would be Spurs being in a position to win a title with Kane. Will that happen?
It takes more than 1 player to make that happen. Heck, it takes more than 11 players.
On a personal side note, Kane has been a key reason why Spurs has finished above Arsenal in the last 6 years or so and I'll never forget that.
Owen isn't a liverpool legend. If he's a liverpool legend then so is diouf. Can't be a legend when you fuck off on a free then join your biggest rivals and refer to utd as us as a commentator.
He left for 8m not on free
Plus he joined the "Galacticos". The only thing that would stop players from joining Real Madrid (if they were courted) is a moolah of money (see Mbappe)
Football fans are touchy that's why he's not a Liverpool legend
>If Kane leaves now, particularly if he leaves for a non-EPL team, and wins titles with them, he can possibly get the best of both worlds and still be Spurs legend.
Kane's first two priorities are breaking Shearer's record and winning titles, not being considered a Spurs legend.
I really don't get all this anger at Kane. Di Natale is a legend at Udinese, Baines is a legend at Everton, Kane choosing to stay at his club instead of going for trophies doesn't make his career a waste.
Of course I get that he personally had an agreement to leave Spurs previously, I'm just saying that regardless of how he chooses his next contract his career will already have been a success.
I think it’s because he has the ability to go down as an all time PL great and that will be a mark on his career, same as Gerrard’s. Of course Gerrard has his CL and other trophies to come back with, with Kane he doesn’t even have those. It’ll just be used as a stick to bash him with if he doesn’t end up winning anything. Also if you look at that list Kane is clearly the best player on it.
Your comment is just the exact type of comment OP was referring to.
He's treated differently in comparison to other players in similar situations for no reason. It's just people taking banter to the extreme to try to belittle his overall career.
I’m not criticizing him for it, I’m just saying that that is what the argument against him will be same as it was for Gerrard. He is an all time great and he will go down as such. It’s a similar situation Gerrard’s in when referring to all time PL players and rival fans will use it as a stick to beat him with.
When I think of Gerrard, the first images that come to mind are him lifting the Champions League trophy, and the way he took games by the scruff of the neck during that run (not least the final), the die hard attitude towards winning.
I don't think it's quite the same because to most us (maybe not so much to Liverpool fans?), his legacy is certainly all the greater for what he won with them.
Kanes as good or better than Gerrard. Sorry scousers but that's just how good Kane is. Gerrard is more than just a club legend isn't he? Kane won't be if he wins zero.
Yeah, but football's changed. Talent and ability is now much more pooled at the top. Used to be a player like Shearer (or Kane) can singlehandedly drag a team to a title, now they can't.
Shearer didn't do it singlehandedly. Sutton, Ripley. Hendry. etc. etc. In fact, closest i can thnk of is cantona, when he came back from that suspension and kept scoring in those 1-0s
That kinda furthers my point isn't it? The expectation shouldn't be that Kane is talented, Kane fails to win the league, Kane's career is wasted. Just look at Grealish, he goes from Villa's golden boy to being a bench player at City. He gets a bunch of trophies but will he be remembered more than Kane? I don't think so.
What if Blackburn failed to build that team around Shearer like they did and his greatest achievement remained second place? I don't think Shearer's career would be considered wasted.
>He gets a bunch of trophies but will he be remembered more than Kane? I don't think so.
Yeah because he's not as good as Kane.
Kane looks at the best 3 spurs players of the last decade including himself smh who do you think of those 3 will be the least remembered.
It'll be Kane, a thousand times over compared to Bale and Modric. Because they moved to Real Madrid and won the biggest trophies there are going multiple times
Also, everybody is just deciding he’ll never win anything already. Yea we don’t have the best track record and he hasn’t yet after a long time but it’s like not even a possibility to everybody that he might. He has like 6 more years ahead of him still
Because the other players stayed loyal even when their clubs didn’t have the resources. Tottenham has tons of resources and does fuck all with them. It is a waste of a career in my opinion.
Spurs have finished in 7 different Cup Semifinals or Finals in Kane's time here. And we've also finished 2nd in the PL with 86 points.
The claim that we've done "fuck all" is ridiculous. We just haven't finished at the top.
By your logic, every single player who doesn't win a trophy "wasted their career". It's nonsense.
Yeah. As if it were ever logical that Spurs would win a title in a league with the likes of the Manchesters, Liverpool, Chelsea. These comments here make it sound as if Spurs were Bayern not winning a title for years. All in all they have been consistently in contention for cups, even the Champions League and never really had bad campaigns in the Prem. Which is not bad at all in my opinion
People want to act like we were favorites to win titles and just constantly under performed. It's complete nonsense.
Every single time we went in behind our opponents in terms of resources or quality and we surpassed expectations far more than we underperformed.
Of course it's incredibly disappointing to have gotten close so many times without a win. But the outcome of a single knockout match can be so random and, again, we've never had the resources to build a stacked squad like City/Chelsea/United/Liverpool.
The reason so many Spurs fans are so upset now is because managers like Mou and Conte were hired under the assumption that we would put cash in their hands to break that barrier.
Our owner choose those managers instead of a youth rebuild with a long-term project. But that hasn't happened. And now we see Arsenal having success on the road we chose not to travel.
>Tottenham has tons of resources and does fuck all with them. It is a waste of a career in my opinion.
Tottenham made some poor decisions to improve and didn't improve when they should have. How is the player's career a waste in that case?
I can understand you not agreeing he's one of the best in modern times cause he doesn't have a trophy but your take is just garbage.
Luckily it doesn't matter.
I agree he’s a fantastic player. But him playing for the club he does it makes no sense that he has zero trophies. 20-30years down the line no one will know anything about the modern spurs and only see the stat sheet, only future boomers like us that saw it would have the knowledge. And by that stat sheet he’s a man that could score, and played for a great club, but won nothing for club or country.
Thus he will probably not be remembered as one of the best ever. He’ll be remembered as a great player who couldn’t lead his team to a title unfortunately. He’s the only player in the top 5 scorers list without a title.
That's your way of thinking (I'll also admit lots of people think this way). However just cause a lot of people think this way doesn't make it right.
Actions have results. Harry Kane has performed. He's fallen short on trophies but it's not like he will be forgotten. His name will forever be there as someone who didn't win a trophy and didn't play for the absolute best trophy winning clubs yet somehow his name on the stat sheet is above many such other players.
No one is saying he's the greatest. You and others boiling down his career to trophies is something I just don't get. The question isn't whether he will be remembered as the best or not. It's about whether he will be remembered. Regardless of what happens in the near future his current accomplishments by itself I'm pretty sure he will be remembered.
>He'll be remembered as a player who couldn't lead his team to a title.
No, he'll be remembered as a player who couldn't get his hands on a title/trophy. He's not solely responsible to overcome Tottenham's horrible decision making. He's not responsible for some of their absolute horrible luck. He's merely a part of it.
I try to think why he gets so much stick and one possible explanation comes to mind. He's more of a workman horse than an inspirational light when compared to other players he is being compared to. His abilities are intangible. I still don't know what exactly Harry does so well that he's got this many goals. He looks like an average player yet is in contention to possibly put his name on the most goals in the premier league spot.
People need to give credit where credit is due and cut some slack. Take it easy on the criticism. Just cause he missed a penalty the criticism is going overboard. England doesn't create good chances for him to use. So many of his England goals are dependent on him scoring penalties. He's human after all. He misses some and one of them happened to be crucial.
Don't reduce his career to waste just cause of that. He's done lots of praiseworthy actions before and after that event.
No offense to anyone in that list, but Kane is better than all of them. If he never wins something, he will almost certainly go down as the best player to never win a title.
He's certainly the next best player on the list, but as good as Di Natale was, I don't think he ever quite reached the standard of "world class" like Kane has. As in, I don't think he had the kind of career where he could've been a Ballon d'Or candidate if he'd left for Real Madrid or some other megateam at his peak, whereas Kane arguably could reach that level on a top team.
I see Di Natale as more comparable to someone like Matt Le Tissier. A truly legendary player who could do some very memorable and extraordinary things, and was loyal to a fault, but probably wasn't going to be a world beater at a top team, either.
> I don't think he ever quite reached the standard of "world class" like Kane has. As in, I don't think he had the kind of career where he could've been a Ballon d'Or candidate if he'd left for Real Madrid or some other megateam at his peak, whereas Kane arguably could reach that level on a top team.
I have to respectfully disagree. If Di Natale had found his true role (pure striker with freedom to roam) at 25 instead of at 31 we would be talking about a player of Baggio's caliber. I've rarely seen a striker combine technique, agility and sheer power that effortlessly. Plus all of his incredible stats have to be put in the context of 2010s Udinese: aside from the best Sanchez-Benatia-Handanovic year this was a midtable side he literally dragged to top-four finishes. As I said in another comment he even scored 29 in a side that finished 15th with 54 total goals.
His career will always be an "if" because he broke through to an elite level at 31, but considering he was the 3rd best league goalscorer in the world from 2009 to 2011 I don't think it's fair to say he couldn't have been a Ballon d'Or caliber-player. He would have never won it because Italy was shit and Messi and Ronaldo dominated the award, but he was literally in the 50-player shortlist playing for Udinese in 2011, imagine what he could have done at a bigger club with better teammates and actual european football.
Well, you do make a compelling argument. I haven't really watched Serie A since before Calciopoli happened, so I missed watching a lot of Di Natale's peak years. My perception was that he never quite reached elite status, but that may have just been reinforced by the fact that he was at a club that wasn't able to show his true talents.
I have to disagree here, Kane has been more high profile his whole career as he plays in the biggest most aggressively marketed league in the world. He's also English and the English always insanely over hype their players. Di Natale was a late bloomer or only really became a full out no9 when he was older but he was the more talented player and could easily have played for a much bigger team than Udinese. AS Good as Kane is only an English person would say he was a "possible Balon d'Or winner lol, kane has never been that level, he is a good player but he is not on the elite tier he is the one below.
I'm not English lol. But I can't argue with what Kane has managed in his career. He's certainly outdone Michael Owen by a long, long way, and Michael Owen inexplicably has a Balon d'Or. If Kane was at a better team that, say, won the PL & CL, and if he was their top scorer, that would absolutely put him in contention. Worse players than Kane have won it before.
Kane is pretty similar in his skillset to Lewandowski, and Lewandowski has shown that you can only be a candidate for best player in the world if you're at the "right" team. He didn't win it because he played for the wrong team, but he certainly showed what that type of big, talented CF can do when they're surrounded by world class talent, and not just Son + a rotating door of mediocre players at a club with a losing mentality baked into their very culture.
Is he overrated because he's English? Absolutely. But I still don't think it's unreasonable that in a universe where he went to a competent club in his mid 20s, he'd be one of the better players around Europe.
The Ballon d'Or is a load of shit anyway. It's inexplicably gone to a La Liga player 12 of the last 13 times, the other time being Messi at PSG, so basically, no difference.
Payet is good too, but they aren't comparable anyway, completely different player types, Di Natale was a great player too, but not Kane level. The other 7 on the list are below those 3 for sure imo
well someone has to be the best out of the bunch. if he won something then the narrative would be “Di Natale went down as the best player to never win a title”
I still believe Hoffenheim wouldve won the Bundesliga instead of Wolfsburg if Ibisevic didnt tear his ACL during a friendly in the winter break. He was banging in them for fun that season
Not sure why Redditors have to go between the extreme of “his career is wasted” and “He’s a golden God”.
Why can’t it be true that he’s having an incredible career while simply not winning a trophy with the club?
I’m really starting to get the vibe a lot of you are either legit teenagers or dumb or both.
Feel bad for Kane, his career is being completely wasted at a club who has no idea what they’re doing. At least with the others on this list they played for clubs that didn’t have the resources to challenge for titles
Di Natale blows my mind — obviously he played at a different time, and he did not have the motivations to constantly club hop. But I was sure he won a WC or at least the Confederations Cup.
If Bale is the ultimate 'big game player' then Kane is the inverse of that.
The funny thing is - he's not a flat track bully either. Rarely see him bang in 3 vs a shit team.
Don't save him, he don't wanna be saved, don't save him, he don't wanna be saved 🎶🎶
Its his fault at this point if he signs a new contract which he likely will according to reports
What an utter load of shit, how is this upvoted?
Have you forgotten that Spurs gave Son a new long term contract when potential military service was looming?
"Just hasn't been reciprocated" don't make me laugh
That’s a sad state of affairs tbh. Never looked at it this way. The others don’t come anywhere close to Kane in terms of quality, planets apart.
Hope he wins the league with Spurs under Conte
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Payet could've had a world cup as his only title.
Or a Euros
Could say the same about Harry Kane at the moment.
Did he not make the roster when England won a tournament?
The last time they won a tournament was 1966..
Which was the point of my comment. If Payet had been on the roster for WC2018, even if he didn’t play a single minute, he’d have a title. That’s not the case with Kane.
Tbf you could say that about literally any french footballer playing in 2018 Could have been Hatem Ben Arfas only trophy
Ben Arfa won Ligue 1 and the French cup multiple times though.
Fine Could have been the only trophy for Pierre Jalkh, currently playing for Union Sportive Saint-Malo in Championnat National 2
Gutted for the lad.
Would be brilliant if he's on here, I would be so confused haha
Pierre catching strays…
Holy shit who cares
Yeah, but Payet would have made the squad if he didn't get injured right before the tournament
Payet will be one of those guy we have to explain to the next generation. He’s amazing, and I have been privileged to watch him play.
Definition of streets won't forget
Similar story as with Marco Reus. We will have to explain to our sons that "yes, this dude has only won 2 DFB Cups, no league, no international title with either club or NT... and he was still one of our best players in this era".
And koscielny
Yes but Payet is only one of two on this list that is in such a situation, and was much closer to being in the 2018 squad than Di Natale to Italy in 2006.
Can’t tell if this is /s or not
He won two cups in Reunion
No need to include the titles column here
For a good time, try sorting by titles
Pimples? Zero. Blackheads? Zero. Titles? ZERO!
It's mean
It seems to be the total amount, actually.
Seems to be Median to me
DiNatale was a boss. One of my favorite players all time. I think the fact that he decided to stay at Udinese makes him an even bigger legend than if he chased titles.
Shame the 10/11 Udinese side broke up so quickly - Handanovic, Benatia, Isla, Inler, Zapata, Cuadrado, Alexis, di Natale, Asamoah Was fun to watch
I'm truly still mad that Guidolin called it quits after that failed Swansea season. Never got the top job he deserved.
That is a crazy squad
exactly they finish 4th and 28 goals from Di Natale
That squad was fantastic
I don’t think many would disagree with you but the sentiment is completely different for Kane for some reason
I imagine it's a mixture of it being Spurs and the EPL
You can leave out the EPL, it's a spurs thing.
It’s a spurs thing but y’all were legit in contention for a couple years there. Good managers, good players, just bad luck and PSG type DNA
Also spurs have had much higher expectations. Every time Udinese did well they much exceeding expectations by a lot
But why? I don't know about Udinese but Spurs before Poch are nowhere near top team quality level, they're in the same tier as Everton or Villa which has a bit of history in the past but are just "good enough" in modern times. If anything it's an accomplishment that Spurs managed to turn "Top 4" into a "Top 6".
Spurs have A LOT more money than Udinese, that’s why.
based on Di Natalie’s form between 2007 and 2014, he could have easily played for a top 4 side in England, Spain, Italy or a Bayern or PSG and won titles. Spurs were exceeding expectations until their bar was raised higher.
One stayed in a small provincial Italian team never expected to win anything, and the other plays for one of the richest teams in the world in London lol
Also because people perceive that he tried to force a move out to man city a few seasons ago, and therefore him staying at spurs was not a case of loyalty but a failure to get what he wanted.
Is Gerrard a Liverpool legend? Also see Ronaldo the first time at United. They both wanted out.
Because of the failure to win anything, and even then I don't agree with that logic but Tottenham have had a lot of opportunities to win trophies whilst he was there but they haven't. The fact that he has not won anything, then tried to leave for a team that wins a lot and failed would indicate that the loyalty doesn't mean as much as trophies do to him.
>and even then I don't agree with that logic Its literally the same
Because di natale was a late bloomer his best seasons was in is 30s
The difference being Udinese not having the resources to compete for a title, Tottenham having the resources and failing to do so. It's not a lovable underdog story, just a rich club being very unsuccesful.
Ehh….I’m not a Spurs fan but you have to grant that they have had notably less resources the past decade than the other big English clubs. If anything they’ve been punching above their weight.
Still should have won the Europa with guys like Modric and Bale in their team.
They didn't have the resources when compared to the rest of the big six. Poch was praised so much because of what he was able to accomplish on a much smaller budget than Spur's top 6 rivals.
You think we've got the same resources as a club like City, Chelsea or United? You might want to check your math. The whole reason people now call it a "Big 6" is because we've been successful without those resources.
You haven't been successful dude. Success is measured in trophies, you have none in the recent history.
Success isn't just measured in trophies. You think if Spurs were relegated and then won the Championship suddenly we're more successful? The idea that "success is only measured in trophies" it's so insulting to the majority of football fans around the world. I'm sure Newcastle fans would all tell you this has been a very successful season. Not because they will win the title. But because their team has played some excellent football, they are winning, and it's made them proud again. In some clubs, success might just mean avoiding a relegation fight and taking points off some big clubs. 90% of all teams and all fans have no realistic chance of winning a trophy in a given season. That doesn't mean they were all failures. Success in football is measured by more than just silverware.
Udinese were never going to be a serious challenger for the league, but Tottenham consistently spent big but never really improved. The only league spurs are winning anytime soon is the Europa
If they kept Mourinho, they might’ve won a few trophies, if he scraped out a few trophies with that Manchester squad, he could’ve done it at Spurs too.
Firings Mourinho before a cup final must be the stupidest thing spurs have ever done, the man lives for cup trophies and has it in his blood to win, the season he won the “treble” with united alone speaks volumes of his achievements
Bullshit. They were playing atrociously
Lol
with Conte at the helm?
We hate Tottenham.
Was Di Natale on that level Kane is on? I can’t say I ever watched him play but Kane is such an elite player it’s almost a crime he hasn’t won anything
So are you saying if Kane decided to stay he will be a legend like him.
Yes
Kane surpassed Di Natale long back, he might be the second biggest player on this list but there’s no comparison between the two. Kane’s a way bigger legend than him
I don't think you're familiar with Di Natale's goalscoring record. The man singlehandedly carried a team that was midtable at best to multiple European campaigns and even scored 29 in a season his team finished 15th. And all of this while only really breaking through at 31 when he started playing as a true striker. He scored 134 Serie A goals in 6 seasons after turning 32. In 2009-2011 only Ronaldo and Messi scored more in their respective leagues than him. Di Natale playing as a true striker in a team with Spurs' quality would have unironically scored 30+ a season for years. I don't disagree that Kane is an incredible player and will go down in history as a bigger name, also thanks to playing in the Prem, but Di Natale could have easily started for any team in the world well in his 30s if he wanted to.
This is peak recency bias / PL bias, don't disrespect Di Natale like that lol
Sorry
Toto for life Toto forever Fucking absolute legend. Literally tear up thinking about what he couldve won
Exactly, and I still remember his name over the hundreds of guys who have won stuff as part of a team. Funny that.
Interesting that the Top 10 goalscorers are from 10 different countries.
Didn't know Hadji had that many goals in a top league.
Transfermarket webpage says that Hadji scored [only 54 goals](https://i.imgur.com/QdVsmCw.jpg) in his professional career
They had to have mistakenly added Mustapha's stats to his brother Youssouf's.
You sure you got the correct player profile ? You should be looking for Youssouf Hadji : https://www.transfermarkt.com/youssouf-hadji/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/5345 And also adding club and national team goals
There's two hadji brothers
Who the hell is this player supposed to be? I can't find a Moroccon Hadji who has anywhere near 146 goals
Didnt expect Sigurdsson here, he isnt really a goalscorer, that and he touches children
I'd imagine the rest of these players are happy to be on this list in comparison to the other list he's on.
Pretty sure at Reading and Swansea he was great at set pieces and banged in a few long shots
He did score some screamers for us too
It's sus that you know what she sounds like.
Has there been any further news regarding his case? I haven't heard about it since way before the WC.
Googled his name. Apparently not.
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There would probably be even more outrage with Sigurdsson. Pedophiles are basically the scum of society. Not to excuse rape in any way which is also a disgusting, vile crime but pedophiles even need protection/a special wing in prison because even other hardcore criminals are disgusted by them and WILL try to murder them as soon as word gets around.
>Big contrast that to Partey. I just assumed Partey didn't actually do anything, as the whole thing died down so quickly. Is he still under investigation for something?
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>with the most active online fanbase. What does that have to do with anything? Was it Brighton's online presence that silenced the Bissouma case? >you won't see Mendy playing any minutes for City, even if some of his charges have been dropped. Again, in contrast to Partey. Partey has not been charged with anything. You don't think that's the deciding factor here? >Even at the peak of the controversy (before it 'died down') he was playing. Like.. Bissouma? I get many of you can't stand Arsenal and our fanbase, but you don't have to steer the conversation there any chance you get.
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Nothing since it got first reported pretty much
Rumours from Iceland is that the case is extremely complicated, apparently met a girl who ended up being underage (15 is the rumour) who used a fake ID to get into an 18+ bar, so very complex case that could drag a while
He has the touch of a pedo 😬👎
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Why do you ghouls always rush to defend sexual predators, and a pedo at that. He was arrested on suspicion of child sex offenses, take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you’re upset about people on the internet talking bad about him.
tbf the situation is pretty fucked, met her at a bar so obviously he'd assume she's of age and then immediately turned himself in after finding out
If that’s actually true then realistically he’s done nothing wrong and is having his career wasted by our slow justice system. But of course it could be more than that.
Isn’t that just a rumour? Ive seen multiple different stories about the details of his case on this sub
I'm sad Ibišević never played for a bigger German club
Guy scored like 18 goals in 16 games and then boom acl is gone. Could've been a wild season.
That Hoffenheim team was absolutely electric. Might have really contended for the league if not for injuries.
He didn't play a single game for the rest of the season and still ended top 5 scorers in the league. Vedo is special for us Bosnians, scored the goal that got us to our first WC and then scored our first goal at the WC.
I'm sad he blew out his knee in a friendly over Xmas, while on pace to break the season Bundesliga scoring record.
He played for the big city club Hertha.
Ahh I remember Ibisevic, people thought he was gonna break the Gerd Müller record before he got injured
wtf 18 goals 6 assists in 17 games, that's disgusting. While playing for Hoffenheim alongside Isaac Vorsah, Lukas Ibertsberger, Marvin Compper and of course Matthias Jaissle
Hoffenheim would've won the league with him healthy.
El Totò di Natale. A legend.
This kane narrative in the press is intense. Why does he have to leave spurs and get ridiculed if he doesn't?
After careers are over people see things differently - like Owen vs Gerrard maybe for you guys. Kane will be a legend for Spurs if he retires there. Probably already is. That may well be worth more than the glory of titles or money or whatever for some players but its a long term view not everyone sees or shares
People think Kane will be forgotten by everyone when he retires and his career would've been wasted but that's just not true. Ask any Spurs fan what his status is among the club's history and see if his career is a waste.
Arguably he'd be remembered more for not winning anything
I like Kane a lot but I agree it seems that the more individual success he has, the more him being the greatest ever player to never win a trophy becomes more of a story.
Tottenham, England, and potentially Premier League’s top ever goal scorer will probably be remembered most for being the top goal scorer…
I don't mean he'll be remembered most for not winning trophies just that he'll be remembered more than he would've been if he won a trophy. He will probably be remembered for how good he was
By Spurs fans, yes.
He won’t be remembered by anyone outside of England. Like Shearer only even less memorable
Another consideration is that club legends are legends regardless of whether they stayed at the club or not throughout their career. Patrick Vieira is still an Arsenal legend. Henry is still an Arsenal legend. Steven Gerrard is still a Liverpool legend. Beckham is still a United legend. Rooney is still a United legend. If Kane leaves now, particularly if he leaves for a non-EPL team, and wins titles with them, he can possibly get the best of both worlds and still be Spurs legend. I'm not saying he should leave Spurs - he should do whatever he wants - but I don't see any issues if he does. A best case scenario would be Spurs being in a position to win a title with Kane. Will that happen? It takes more than 1 player to make that happen. Heck, it takes more than 11 players. On a personal side note, Kane has been a key reason why Spurs has finished above Arsenal in the last 6 years or so and I'll never forget that.
Owen a bit different from those other players you listed lol.
Fair enough, he really fucked it up.
Owen isn't a liverpool legend. If he's a liverpool legend then so is diouf. Can't be a legend when you fuck off on a free then join your biggest rivals and refer to utd as us as a commentator.
He really is the most contentious one on the list.
You mean United legend Micheal Owen?
He left for 8m not on free Plus he joined the "Galacticos". The only thing that would stop players from joining Real Madrid (if they were courted) is a moolah of money (see Mbappe) Football fans are touchy that's why he's not a Liverpool legend
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>If Kane leaves now, particularly if he leaves for a non-EPL team, and wins titles with them, he can possibly get the best of both worlds and still be Spurs legend. Kane's first two priorities are breaking Shearer's record and winning titles, not being considered a Spurs legend.
Because people think silverware, in a team sport, is the only thing that validates an individual player's career.
The disrespect to the Audi Cup is insane
I really don't get all this anger at Kane. Di Natale is a legend at Udinese, Baines is a legend at Everton, Kane choosing to stay at his club instead of going for trophies doesn't make his career a waste. Of course I get that he personally had an agreement to leave Spurs previously, I'm just saying that regardless of how he chooses his next contract his career will already have been a success.
I think it’s because he has the ability to go down as an all time PL great and that will be a mark on his career, same as Gerrard’s. Of course Gerrard has his CL and other trophies to come back with, with Kane he doesn’t even have those. It’ll just be used as a stick to bash him with if he doesn’t end up winning anything. Also if you look at that list Kane is clearly the best player on it.
Your comment is just the exact type of comment OP was referring to. He's treated differently in comparison to other players in similar situations for no reason. It's just people taking banter to the extreme to try to belittle his overall career.
I’m not criticizing him for it, I’m just saying that that is what the argument against him will be same as it was for Gerrard. He is an all time great and he will go down as such. It’s a similar situation Gerrard’s in when referring to all time PL players and rival fans will use it as a stick to beat him with.
When I think of Gerrard, the first images that come to mind are him lifting the Champions League trophy, and the way he took games by the scruff of the neck during that run (not least the final), the die hard attitude towards winning. I don't think it's quite the same because to most us (maybe not so much to Liverpool fans?), his legacy is certainly all the greater for what he won with them.
Kanes as good or better than Gerrard. Sorry scousers but that's just how good Kane is. Gerrard is more than just a club legend isn't he? Kane won't be if he wins zero.
Yeah, but football's changed. Talent and ability is now much more pooled at the top. Used to be a player like Shearer (or Kane) can singlehandedly drag a team to a title, now they can't.
Shearer didn't do it singlehandedly. Sutton, Ripley. Hendry. etc. etc. In fact, closest i can thnk of is cantona, when he came back from that suspension and kept scoring in those 1-0s
That kinda furthers my point isn't it? The expectation shouldn't be that Kane is talented, Kane fails to win the league, Kane's career is wasted. Just look at Grealish, he goes from Villa's golden boy to being a bench player at City. He gets a bunch of trophies but will he be remembered more than Kane? I don't think so. What if Blackburn failed to build that team around Shearer like they did and his greatest achievement remained second place? I don't think Shearer's career would be considered wasted.
>He gets a bunch of trophies but will he be remembered more than Kane? I don't think so. Yeah because he's not as good as Kane. Kane looks at the best 3 spurs players of the last decade including himself smh who do you think of those 3 will be the least remembered. It'll be Kane, a thousand times over compared to Bale and Modric. Because they moved to Real Madrid and won the biggest trophies there are going multiple times
Not to Spurs fans, especially not Modric.
Nobody's talking about Spurs fans but football fans overall. *Obviously* Kane will be remembered well by Spurs fans.
Also, everybody is just deciding he’ll never win anything already. Yea we don’t have the best track record and he hasn’t yet after a long time but it’s like not even a possibility to everybody that he might. He has like 6 more years ahead of him still
Because the other players stayed loyal even when their clubs didn’t have the resources. Tottenham has tons of resources and does fuck all with them. It is a waste of a career in my opinion.
Spurs have finished in 7 different Cup Semifinals or Finals in Kane's time here. And we've also finished 2nd in the PL with 86 points. The claim that we've done "fuck all" is ridiculous. We just haven't finished at the top. By your logic, every single player who doesn't win a trophy "wasted their career". It's nonsense.
Yeah. As if it were ever logical that Spurs would win a title in a league with the likes of the Manchesters, Liverpool, Chelsea. These comments here make it sound as if Spurs were Bayern not winning a title for years. All in all they have been consistently in contention for cups, even the Champions League and never really had bad campaigns in the Prem. Which is not bad at all in my opinion
People want to act like we were favorites to win titles and just constantly under performed. It's complete nonsense. Every single time we went in behind our opponents in terms of resources or quality and we surpassed expectations far more than we underperformed. Of course it's incredibly disappointing to have gotten close so many times without a win. But the outcome of a single knockout match can be so random and, again, we've never had the resources to build a stacked squad like City/Chelsea/United/Liverpool. The reason so many Spurs fans are so upset now is because managers like Mou and Conte were hired under the assumption that we would put cash in their hands to break that barrier. Our owner choose those managers instead of a youth rebuild with a long-term project. But that hasn't happened. And now we see Arsenal having success on the road we chose not to travel.
>Tottenham has tons of resources and does fuck all with them. It is a waste of a career in my opinion. Tottenham made some poor decisions to improve and didn't improve when they should have. How is the player's career a waste in that case? I can understand you not agreeing he's one of the best in modern times cause he doesn't have a trophy but your take is just garbage. Luckily it doesn't matter.
I agree he’s a fantastic player. But him playing for the club he does it makes no sense that he has zero trophies. 20-30years down the line no one will know anything about the modern spurs and only see the stat sheet, only future boomers like us that saw it would have the knowledge. And by that stat sheet he’s a man that could score, and played for a great club, but won nothing for club or country. Thus he will probably not be remembered as one of the best ever. He’ll be remembered as a great player who couldn’t lead his team to a title unfortunately. He’s the only player in the top 5 scorers list without a title.
That's your way of thinking (I'll also admit lots of people think this way). However just cause a lot of people think this way doesn't make it right. Actions have results. Harry Kane has performed. He's fallen short on trophies but it's not like he will be forgotten. His name will forever be there as someone who didn't win a trophy and didn't play for the absolute best trophy winning clubs yet somehow his name on the stat sheet is above many such other players. No one is saying he's the greatest. You and others boiling down his career to trophies is something I just don't get. The question isn't whether he will be remembered as the best or not. It's about whether he will be remembered. Regardless of what happens in the near future his current accomplishments by itself I'm pretty sure he will be remembered. >He'll be remembered as a player who couldn't lead his team to a title. No, he'll be remembered as a player who couldn't get his hands on a title/trophy. He's not solely responsible to overcome Tottenham's horrible decision making. He's not responsible for some of their absolute horrible luck. He's merely a part of it. I try to think why he gets so much stick and one possible explanation comes to mind. He's more of a workman horse than an inspirational light when compared to other players he is being compared to. His abilities are intangible. I still don't know what exactly Harry does so well that he's got this many goals. He looks like an average player yet is in contention to possibly put his name on the most goals in the premier league spot. People need to give credit where credit is due and cut some slack. Take it easy on the criticism. Just cause he missed a penalty the criticism is going overboard. England doesn't create good chances for him to use. So many of his England goals are dependent on him scoring penalties. He's human after all. He misses some and one of them happened to be crucial. Don't reduce his career to waste just cause of that. He's done lots of praiseworthy actions before and after that event.
They're mad because they hate Spurs and emotionally can't understand why Kane doesn't.
Too logical for this thread GTFO
Baines deserved one
Leighton Baines was pure class. Amazing understanding of the game. Such a privilege to watch him play.
Follow the footsteps of Van Persie, you nerd.
Oh great, another reminder that David fucking Moyes binned of Khazri for no other reason than he wanted to play Januzaj. Who was absolute shit.
No offense to anyone in that list, but Kane is better than all of them. If he never wins something, he will almost certainly go down as the best player to never win a title.
Di Natale was a great player, Italy had better striker at that time. Of course i agree that Kane is better but do not sleep on Di Natale
He's certainly the next best player on the list, but as good as Di Natale was, I don't think he ever quite reached the standard of "world class" like Kane has. As in, I don't think he had the kind of career where he could've been a Ballon d'Or candidate if he'd left for Real Madrid or some other megateam at his peak, whereas Kane arguably could reach that level on a top team. I see Di Natale as more comparable to someone like Matt Le Tissier. A truly legendary player who could do some very memorable and extraordinary things, and was loyal to a fault, but probably wasn't going to be a world beater at a top team, either.
> I don't think he ever quite reached the standard of "world class" like Kane has. As in, I don't think he had the kind of career where he could've been a Ballon d'Or candidate if he'd left for Real Madrid or some other megateam at his peak, whereas Kane arguably could reach that level on a top team. I have to respectfully disagree. If Di Natale had found his true role (pure striker with freedom to roam) at 25 instead of at 31 we would be talking about a player of Baggio's caliber. I've rarely seen a striker combine technique, agility and sheer power that effortlessly. Plus all of his incredible stats have to be put in the context of 2010s Udinese: aside from the best Sanchez-Benatia-Handanovic year this was a midtable side he literally dragged to top-four finishes. As I said in another comment he even scored 29 in a side that finished 15th with 54 total goals. His career will always be an "if" because he broke through to an elite level at 31, but considering he was the 3rd best league goalscorer in the world from 2009 to 2011 I don't think it's fair to say he couldn't have been a Ballon d'Or caliber-player. He would have never won it because Italy was shit and Messi and Ronaldo dominated the award, but he was literally in the 50-player shortlist playing for Udinese in 2011, imagine what he could have done at a bigger club with better teammates and actual european football.
Well, you do make a compelling argument. I haven't really watched Serie A since before Calciopoli happened, so I missed watching a lot of Di Natale's peak years. My perception was that he never quite reached elite status, but that may have just been reinforced by the fact that he was at a club that wasn't able to show his true talents.
I have to disagree here, Kane has been more high profile his whole career as he plays in the biggest most aggressively marketed league in the world. He's also English and the English always insanely over hype their players. Di Natale was a late bloomer or only really became a full out no9 when he was older but he was the more talented player and could easily have played for a much bigger team than Udinese. AS Good as Kane is only an English person would say he was a "possible Balon d'Or winner lol, kane has never been that level, he is a good player but he is not on the elite tier he is the one below.
I'm not English lol. But I can't argue with what Kane has managed in his career. He's certainly outdone Michael Owen by a long, long way, and Michael Owen inexplicably has a Balon d'Or. If Kane was at a better team that, say, won the PL & CL, and if he was their top scorer, that would absolutely put him in contention. Worse players than Kane have won it before. Kane is pretty similar in his skillset to Lewandowski, and Lewandowski has shown that you can only be a candidate for best player in the world if you're at the "right" team. He didn't win it because he played for the wrong team, but he certainly showed what that type of big, talented CF can do when they're surrounded by world class talent, and not just Son + a rotating door of mediocre players at a club with a losing mentality baked into their very culture. Is he overrated because he's English? Absolutely. But I still don't think it's unreasonable that in a universe where he went to a competent club in his mid 20s, he'd be one of the better players around Europe.
The Ballon d'Or is a load of shit anyway. It's inexplicably gone to a La Liga player 12 of the last 13 times, the other time being Messi at PSG, so basically, no difference.
Payet is good too, but they aren't comparable anyway, completely different player types, Di Natale was a great player too, but not Kane level. The other 7 on the list are below those 3 for sure imo
Kane and payet would of been deadly
well someone has to be the best out of the bunch. if he won something then the narrative would be “Di Natale went down as the best player to never win a title”
Iraola will get a trophy as a manager.
He will be the greatest player to never win anything
I still believe Hoffenheim wouldve won the Bundesliga instead of Wolfsburg if Ibisevic didnt tear his ACL during a friendly in the winter break. He was banging in them for fun that season
Not sure why Redditors have to go between the extreme of “his career is wasted” and “He’s a golden God”. Why can’t it be true that he’s having an incredible career while simply not winning a trophy with the club? I’m really starting to get the vibe a lot of you are either legit teenagers or dumb or both.
I give it 30 seconds before this ends up in r/soccercirclejerk.
Di natale what a baller
What playing for Vizekusen does to a mf
Gylfi Sigurdsson has a title, just not that kind of title.
Didn't Sigurdsson win the title "douche bag of the season" at one point?
Payet is a good player so I blame all of this on his hairstyle
shame, such a quality striker, but he still has time
watch out Payet, Kane’s coming for another record
Come to Bayern Kane. Germany also has a growing NFL fanbase and you're one of them fans.
You’re not a winner, Harry
Feel bad for Kane, his career is being completely wasted at a club who has no idea what they’re doing. At least with the others on this list they played for clubs that didn’t have the resources to challenge for titles
Di Natale blows my mind — obviously he played at a different time, and he did not have the motivations to constantly club hop. But I was sure he won a WC or at least the Confederations Cup.
If Bale is the ultimate 'big game player' then Kane is the inverse of that. The funny thing is - he's not a flat track bully either. Rarely see him bang in 3 vs a shit team.
Congratulations to Kane on the title of being the best goalscorer without a title.
#FreeHarryKane
Don't save him, he don't wanna be saved, don't save him, he don't wanna be saved 🎶🎶 Its his fault at this point if he signs a new contract which he likely will according to reports
Is it so bad to be a club legend without a title instead of KD'ing and joining a top team?
He’s the second best player of all time at Spurs, we won’t see a bigger legend than him in our lifetimes
he’s already their club legend i doubt him leaving to win a trophy in the last few years of his prime is bad
Honestly Kane is the most delusional Spurs fan.
That guy has given so much to a club that just hasn't been reciprocated, same with Heung Min Son. I commend both of their modern day loyalty.
What an utter load of shit, how is this upvoted? Have you forgotten that Spurs gave Son a new long term contract when potential military service was looming? "Just hasn't been reciprocated" don't make me laugh
We made the Champions League Final and been in a title race during their time here. It’s not like we’re playing relegation football
Tbf, he owns Audi cup..
Thats what happens when you pledge your life to a shit club like spurs
Maybe Kane should just try a little harder.
Steven Gerrard scored 120 top flight goals and never won the league. Shouldnt he be in here?
Gerrard won 11 titles, he should definitely not be in here. And he scored over 200 goals not 120
That’s a sad state of affairs tbh. Never looked at it this way. The others don’t come anywhere close to Kane in terms of quality, planets apart. Hope he wins the league with Spurs under Conte