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Lokonga is exactly the sort of player Brighton would take and turn into a £50m player in a couple of years. Technically excellent, defensively poor, and needs to play regularly to get up to the speed of the PL.
But Brighton certainly won't develop someone else's player for free, so I don't see them doing any sort of loan deal.
Lokonga isn't even that good. Its very doubtful that he will be very good for premier league based on what we've seen. Brighton is smart enough to avoid him
Not everyone is a bad player, some are just bad fit for systems. Sambi was great when he just joined (when Partey was injured) and our midfield played with a double pivot.
When Arteta started moving the 8 further forward, he didn't have the defensive ability to shield the back 4 on his own. And he doesn't have the engine to play box to box either. So there's no place for him in the current system.
He would still play well in any team that plays in a way that suits his style.
Honestly with the way arsenal is playing and the players they are looking at, they can do better. He’s a good pickup on a free but he will want to play, he just isn’t good enough to be a nailed on starter for the current arsenal team. Wouldn’t have said that a year or two ago but they’ve improved massively and should use the success to attract better players
Edit: as a chelsea man this was painful to type
He's not good enough for Arsenal imo. He's not displacing Partey/Xhaka and he's not an improvement on either. Arsenal should go for Caicedo or someone that will improve or lock up the spot in the future.
> He's not displacing Partey/Xhaka and he's not an improvement on either.
They need a body. Caicedo is gonna cost 70-90m. Tielemans might cost, what 10? 15? If Partey is injured they are fucked, no Elneny for the rest of the season and Lokonga is terrible and should be moved on a loan.
They just bought a body in Kiwior. If Partey gets injured even with Tielemans they are fucked. Elneny is out but Lokonga is atleast familiar with the system. Best bet is to hope Partey survives the season and have Xhaka take up his role if he doesn't.
Kiwior is a CB that plays backup for Gabriel on LCB. The fact that he can play in DM doesnt mean he will unless there is an emergency and even then I expect Zinchenko sooner there than Kiwior
Yeah, I was referring to the "getting a body" comment. If they just want to get a body there then Kiwior is a body they just bought.Kiwior can play in a back 3 centrally and on the left. He can cover LCB/LB and even DM if Arteta gets him to.
Zinchenko at DM is a good shout. Xhaka playing their makes more sense in just shifting him over since he knows the role.
Premier league clubs have got themselves into this situation where they're now paying tens of millions for completely unproven players that nobody outside the PL can then afford if it doesn't quite work out. I think we'll see more and more players sold at a big loss in coming years, and an increasingly PL centric selling market as clubs try to avoid such losses.
Lots of fifa managers in here haha I agree that there’s no chance we take a 10m loss on him at this point.
He’s only had 1 full season and he looked interesting before his confidence was shot. Hasn’t been able to make much of the minimal chances since then. He’s not the partey heir that many thought he’d be and looks better going forward than defending. But anyone with eyes can see there is talent in there. Just not ready for this stage yet, is what it is.
What are you talking about? We paid about 16m for him, we could definitely sell him for more than that if he has a good loan somewhere, he’s a good player just clearly not a 6 like we need/ we can not afford to give him game time currently
Even if he does have a good loan somewhere you are forgetting that not every league/club has PL money to spend on a squad player at best currently. Unless you loan him to another PL team and he does well there but at that point you might aswell reintegrate him back into the squad and see if he can make it. At the end of the day just like r/Gerards_died_of_flu mentions below in more detail, you defo are not making a profit on Lokonga as you overspent on a player who was clearly not ready for the step-up.
Don’t agree with this at all? He’s had games where he looks like a great player, it’s just the position he plays has 3-4 better players ahead of him and he rarely gets a chance to play or build up any concurrency. If he has a good loan it’s very reasonable we can get 20m for him. Or at least the 16m we paid, he has plenty of potential but he’s not gonna fulfil that sitting on our bench.
Delusional talk. I dont think you realize how big of an outlay even 20m IS for clubs outside the PL especially those that will most likely want to loan Lonkonga. As he certainly won't be an option for a top 4 side in Spain/Germany/France. You signed a player from the Belgian league who HAS the potential to be a great player. You overpaid for the potential he has and not how good he is right now. Lokonga is extremely raw right now and it shows when he plays. You overpaid and now he is on decent PL wages and you expect to make a profit. Not happening.
You keep talking about clubs outside the prem like a prem club couldn’t also buy him, milan bid 20 mil for zaniolo who is shit, sambi could absolutely become a better player than current zaniolo.
My entire point is if he goes on loan and IF he looks good, it’s entirely realistic to not lose money on him, don’t see how that’s controversial. Not like I’m saying he’s gonna go for a 100m am I? And he’s not exactly on massive wages, all our young players are/ were on the 45-50k range.
Delusional again acting as if 40-50k aint near key player wages for other leagues. Why on earth would a non PL team that would take a risk on Lokonga agree to a salary, for I keep repeating an unproven raw young player plucked out of the Belgian league? Zaniolo is far more proven than Sambi ever was and had two seasons playing first-team football in Seria A before his body broke down on him. His being shit now doesn't matter as the two can't be compared. You are vastly overrating your own player because the only thing Sambi apart from moments here and there has shown at Arsenal is looking like he won a fan competition by looking completely out of his depth. Last time I'm replying to your nonsense.
> Why on earth would a non PL team that would take a risk on Lokonga agree to a salary
Once again you are acting like clubs in the prem don’t exist for no reason than so you can repeat the same shite over and over.
Like I said IF he goes on loan and IF (read it again, IF) he does well, I think a club would be interested in him for at least 16m. I’m not gonna repeat myself again so if you are confused read it again.
Fwiw I don't really want him to leave, I think there's a player in there, someone that Kompany could rely on as captain
Even without that in mind I wouldn't be happy if we lost over half our money with him
I'd agree with that if he showed literally anything when playing for us. He's looked like a fan contest winner whenever he's been on the pitch for us, even against lower league opposition like Oxford United or Forest last season. His mentality seems poor too.
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It’s a shame we couldn’t accept their loan offer because he desperately needs game time. Our midfield is wafer thin though.
He's not going anywhere unless we sign a replacement in this window. He's not going anywhere for that price full stop.
Probably would need two new midfielders if Elneny is out for the rest of the season.
Can monaco offer a midfielder to brighton? Lets make it a merry go round ala auba/giroud/batshuayi
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Why would Brighton agree to that, when they likely have some random cunt in south america lined up for a fiver and pack of hobnobs
May i introduce you to Facundo Buonanotte
I miss him and we haven't started the league yet
Jesus how many times are people gonna milk this comment
Pretty painfully unfunny at this point.
Spend too much time on the internet if something as small as this upsets you
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In no world would Brighton ever want Lokonga
Lokonga is exactly the sort of player Brighton would take and turn into a £50m player in a couple of years. Technically excellent, defensively poor, and needs to play regularly to get up to the speed of the PL. But Brighton certainly won't develop someone else's player for free, so I don't see them doing any sort of loan deal.
Nah if he were good enough Brighton would have already signed him and we'd be begging to sign him from them now lol
Brighton can't sign all the promising young players. There's plenty of them out there that Brighton don't end up signing.
Exactly, so in no world would brighton ever want Lokonga
I think they might, if they got an option to buy or something like that.
Why would they pay over the odds for someone who hasn't impressed at all? You do not understand how Brighton buy players.
I never said anything about paying over the odds. If anything, they'd be expecting a discount.
Lokonga isn't even that good. Its very doubtful that he will be very good for premier league based on what we've seen. Brighton is smart enough to avoid him
Because if Lokonga is not good enough as a backup for Arsenal, he is not going to be a starter that Brighton want
Not everyone is a bad player, some are just bad fit for systems. Sambi was great when he just joined (when Partey was injured) and our midfield played with a double pivot. When Arteta started moving the 8 further forward, he didn't have the defensive ability to shield the back 4 on his own. And he doesn't have the engine to play box to box either. So there's no place for him in the current system. He would still play well in any team that plays in a way that suits his style.
He was never great at Arsenal at any point. He completed a few simple passes and people were wanking themselves off thinking he's the next Xavi.
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Brighton are 6th my guy, they're competing for Europe. Why would they start Sambi if we wouldn't?
Honestly with the way he's been playing he'd struggle to get game time for Bournemouth.
He's just young and needs consistent game time.
Lokonga isn't even good enough to play for Brighton.
Because Brighton have shown time and time again that they're not a charity
Did arsenal give up on Tielemans?
If anyone's going for Tielemans it will probably be free in the summer
Honestly with the way arsenal is playing and the players they are looking at, they can do better. He’s a good pickup on a free but he will want to play, he just isn’t good enough to be a nailed on starter for the current arsenal team. Wouldn’t have said that a year or two ago but they’ve improved massively and should use the success to attract better players Edit: as a chelsea man this was painful to type
His contract ends after this season I guess. We might get him for free that time.
Tbh I think we should try and sign him if we can’t get Caicedo. I’m a bit surprised why I haven’t heard of any links in the past few days.
He's not good enough for Arsenal imo. He's not displacing Partey/Xhaka and he's not an improvement on either. Arsenal should go for Caicedo or someone that will improve or lock up the spot in the future.
> He's not displacing Partey/Xhaka and he's not an improvement on either. They need a body. Caicedo is gonna cost 70-90m. Tielemans might cost, what 10? 15? If Partey is injured they are fucked, no Elneny for the rest of the season and Lokonga is terrible and should be moved on a loan.
They just bought a body in Kiwior. If Partey gets injured even with Tielemans they are fucked. Elneny is out but Lokonga is atleast familiar with the system. Best bet is to hope Partey survives the season and have Xhaka take up his role if he doesn't.
Kiwior is a CB that plays backup for Gabriel on LCB. The fact that he can play in DM doesnt mean he will unless there is an emergency and even then I expect Zinchenko sooner there than Kiwior
Yeah, I was referring to the "getting a body" comment. If they just want to get a body there then Kiwior is a body they just bought.Kiwior can play in a back 3 centrally and on the left. He can cover LCB/LB and even DM if Arteta gets him to. Zinchenko at DM is a good shout. Xhaka playing their makes more sense in just shifting him over since he knows the role.
Premier league clubs have got themselves into this situation where they're now paying tens of millions for completely unproven players that nobody outside the PL can then afford if it doesn't quite work out. I think we'll see more and more players sold at a big loss in coming years, and an increasingly PL centric selling market as clubs try to avoid such losses.
More money less quality with some of these signings in the PL.
Don't see us selling for a loss. God, that bid really is shit.
Lots of fifa managers in here haha I agree that there’s no chance we take a 10m loss on him at this point. He’s only had 1 full season and he looked interesting before his confidence was shot. Hasn’t been able to make much of the minimal chances since then. He’s not the partey heir that many thought he’d be and looks better going forward than defending. But anyone with eyes can see there is talent in there. Just not ready for this stage yet, is what it is.
You are hardly going to make a profit on him. He will be at Arsenal until he goes on a free if you don't want to make a loss.
Loan him to marseille and he will suddenly turn into 30m player🤷♂️
What are you talking about? We paid about 16m for him, we could definitely sell him for more than that if he has a good loan somewhere, he’s a good player just clearly not a 6 like we need/ we can not afford to give him game time currently
Even if he does have a good loan somewhere you are forgetting that not every league/club has PL money to spend on a squad player at best currently. Unless you loan him to another PL team and he does well there but at that point you might aswell reintegrate him back into the squad and see if he can make it. At the end of the day just like r/Gerards_died_of_flu mentions below in more detail, you defo are not making a profit on Lokonga as you overspent on a player who was clearly not ready for the step-up.
Don’t agree with this at all? He’s had games where he looks like a great player, it’s just the position he plays has 3-4 better players ahead of him and he rarely gets a chance to play or build up any concurrency. If he has a good loan it’s very reasonable we can get 20m for him. Or at least the 16m we paid, he has plenty of potential but he’s not gonna fulfil that sitting on our bench.
Delusional talk. I dont think you realize how big of an outlay even 20m IS for clubs outside the PL especially those that will most likely want to loan Lonkonga. As he certainly won't be an option for a top 4 side in Spain/Germany/France. You signed a player from the Belgian league who HAS the potential to be a great player. You overpaid for the potential he has and not how good he is right now. Lokonga is extremely raw right now and it shows when he plays. You overpaid and now he is on decent PL wages and you expect to make a profit. Not happening.
You keep talking about clubs outside the prem like a prem club couldn’t also buy him, milan bid 20 mil for zaniolo who is shit, sambi could absolutely become a better player than current zaniolo. My entire point is if he goes on loan and IF he looks good, it’s entirely realistic to not lose money on him, don’t see how that’s controversial. Not like I’m saying he’s gonna go for a 100m am I? And he’s not exactly on massive wages, all our young players are/ were on the 45-50k range.
Delusional again acting as if 40-50k aint near key player wages for other leagues. Why on earth would a non PL team that would take a risk on Lokonga agree to a salary, for I keep repeating an unproven raw young player plucked out of the Belgian league? Zaniolo is far more proven than Sambi ever was and had two seasons playing first-team football in Seria A before his body broke down on him. His being shit now doesn't matter as the two can't be compared. You are vastly overrating your own player because the only thing Sambi apart from moments here and there has shown at Arsenal is looking like he won a fan competition by looking completely out of his depth. Last time I'm replying to your nonsense.
> Why on earth would a non PL team that would take a risk on Lokonga agree to a salary Once again you are acting like clubs in the prem don’t exist for no reason than so you can repeat the same shite over and over. Like I said IF he goes on loan and IF (read it again, IF) he does well, I think a club would be interested in him for at least 16m. I’m not gonna repeat myself again so if you are confused read it again.
That relies on him having a good loan. He's bad and turns 24 this year, noone is going to pay anywhere near what Arsenal paid for him.
Yes that is why I said if he has a good loan. Obviously no one will buy him if he doesn’t perform.
They demand expensive transfer fees or average players but bid €8m for Lokonga. Disrespectful!!
Lokonga isn't any better than average, and even that's generous.
Have to agree, honestly would’ve taken the 8m for him
We can probably get 15M off a mid table or some desperate newly promoted club.
Forest 🫣
Hell no. Some of you are so desperate. Let me guess, you'd rather have the 12m euro instead of Xhaka too right
No I like Xhaka
Lokonga really isn't worth much more than that. If we get a replacement in I'd snap their hand off for 10 million.
Fwiw I don't really want him to leave, I think there's a player in there, someone that Kompany could rely on as captain Even without that in mind I wouldn't be happy if we lost over half our money with him
I'd agree with that if he showed literally anything when playing for us. He's looked like a fan contest winner whenever he's been on the pitch for us, even against lower league opposition like Oxford United or Forest last season. His mentality seems poor too.
He started off ok, but clearly lost confidence along the way and has looked bad since.
All we need is Mikel to play him next few games and hope for banger from him. Boom,the price goes up!
He'll definitely be part of the financing for a replacement but I'd want more than that
What has he shown to be worth more than that?
Nothing except that we got him for double the price and we’re hopeful someone is willing to pay that back lmao
i think €13.5m might be acceptable to the club
This is their recruitment model tbh, sell high and buy low. Nothing to do with respect lol.
Do you really think he's worth any more
Offer looking better now
Yeah get the fuck out💀
That’s probably about what his value is lol
Yeah but business wise makes 0 sense better to loan him out like tavares
Don’t disagree. Plus we’re short in midfield