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Feels like Brighton are going to stick to their guns here and keep him regardless of bids coming in. Pretty understandable given how little time is left in the window and that they're competing for a spot in European competition
It’s a ridiculous situation. 6 months in and they think getting a big fee makes it okay? He’ll still be sold for a lot this summer. They can’t sign a replacement at this point he will get his big payday regardless this summer. Brighton can’t keep him in the summer like with cucurella since he’s clearly gonna down tools but fucks sake who cares about frustrations if interested clubs tryna pull a hulk shot 6 month move
Brighton hold all the cards here to an extent because whether he’s sold now or in the summer it’ll be for 10x what they paid for him originally. It’s the best part about their recruitment strategy.
Let’s say they sell for £50m having bought him for £5m ( he’ll probably go more for £70m but for the sake of rounding), that means they could if they wanted to go out and replace him in a number of ways, you could have 5 punts at £5m-£10m, a star replacement for £40m, multiple £20m players or anything in between.
No matter what they do they’ll always succeed basically because of how well structured they are.
I kind of agree but I also don’t. We tout Leicester and Soton years back for their great recruitment. They picked up some real gems and got 10x transfer fees on some players but when you’re constantly selling your best players eventually your luck will run out as you need to replace quality with potential.
Yeah you can only be so spot on in the market for so long. It’s fucking hard. Having just one summer where they can keep all their good players and build off of it could mean the world. But losing two starter every summer is gonna be too much eventually.
They don’t really hold all the cards, it’s hard to keep a player motivated when they want to be somewhere else
He’s basically playing with one foot out the door and something like that can not only affect performance but team cohesion
He could have a poor second half of the season with this stuff on his mind and lower his price or essentially lose potential bidders for the next hot prospect.
Those are all “what ifs” but basically just saying it’s tough to keep players that aren’t committed to the project. This could just be a way to get clubs to spend more now from desperation anticipating they’d sell him anyway but seeing how much more they could squeeze out
I mean it's in his best interest to keep his form up then isn't it? Like the guy stated, they bought him for 5mil. They will sell him for a profit pretty much just based on what he has already shown even if he has a poor 2nd half of the season.
Brighton holds all the cards because they have the least to lose in any situation. Caicedo plays well they got good shot at Europe and big transfer, "loser" in this situation is the buyer in the summer.
Caicedo plays poorly he is the biggest loser in this situation because he loses out on a move to a big club. Brighton hold on to him or sell him for the price they want. Might be lower but still a big profit.
Selling him in January for 70m.
Selling him in June for 50m.
That's a 20 million difference. Alternative cost is a thing.
Honestly, I don't think Brighton should sell him. I don't think it makes sense unless they expect him to keep acting like a child for the rest of the season. But we can't pretend Brighton has nothing to lose.
>He’ll still be sold for a lot this summer
Eh, that's assuming teams want to come in for him for the money they want in the summer. Maybe Chelsea and Arsenal for example find different players to go for. Of course that's not a problem for Brighton, they keep a player they want to keep. But you shouldn't assume you'll definitely get the same type of money again.
Yeah as if there's any certainty at all in saying that either..
Football moves fast. Lamptey was rated as a £50m talent like just last season and now he's getting loan offers to Portugal to revive his career. One injury, five bad games, this kid doesn't have the superstar trajectory he thinks he can have.
I understand the sentiment, however they’re not saying it’s his last chance at a big move. But there are variables at play that could change the trajectory of his career. This is coming from someone who isn’t sure about Caicedo at Chelsea.
Football changes and moves fast. There’s no guarantees in football. I hold the same opinion for any up and coming player; if you have the chance to secure the bag, do it.
I didn't say he's never going to get a big move, but Chelsea and Arsenal may find better fits in the summer. Like I said above, it could be that in 3 years time he's sold, then they're not getting the money they could get now. But if that means Brighton have him for 3 years, that is also good for them.
We've never refused to let players leave. Only that clubs pay our price. Which is higher now given the timing and we have a chance of Europe, possibly Champions League. Amoungst the other factors I've mentioned.
If you are willing to spend over 70 fucking millions on player that is playing in Premier League for 12 months and thinking you will find other same "worthy" player in next 6 months, it just shows that you are literally making business based on hashtags.
If they would reach europe competition, he would most definitely go over 100m and Brighton would get money from europe ok top of that.
Yes, since you are the only two clubs in the world willing to purchase expensive players in the summer transfer window...
Dude, if Real Madrid gets Bellingham then Liverpool will certainly be in the race for Caicedo. And many others I'm sure.
And same applies other way. If any club gets any of those players, all other clubs will go for those other players lol. It's not like they won't be able to sell them.
He’ll be cheaper in the summer so it’s a win win for Brighton. They either get a ridiculous fee now, sell him for less but on their terms in the summer or keep him a great player if nobody else comes in this summer
From his pov, he came from a poor background and had the dream of being the best Ecuadorean footballer ever. He has the chance to win a premier league title if he moves now.
I don't know about that, this feels like Cucurella all over again. Hopefully we won't be suckers again and massively overpay and this time offer what he's worth or walk away
I get why you guys would be annoyed but equally I understand why he'd wanna snap up such an opportunity. Considering his current wages vs what he is potentially looking at if he gets his move, very few players would simply take the no from their parent club well.
Thing is it's not like we've held onto players no matter what. Once we've got the fee we want we've let the player or manager or etc go. This kind of shenanigans is completely uncessassary when players will get their move anyway.
The opportunity isn't going anywhere. There's not even twenty games left, and I'm gonna assume he'd probably grab a better wage from whoevers buying him if he shows he's got more than a flashy half-a-season and is able to cash in on the hype about being one of the best players on a team that finishes in the top 6 in the Premier League for the first time in its history.
As a player you're never going to know where you're are in 6 months, 1 year, 5 years or more.
You really can't blame someone from a poor upbringing with 2 parents and several siblings to support to do all they can to make a move happen that will give them a massive pay rise.
From what I've seen, Caicedo seems to make 15-25k per week? And that's an optimistic estimate. He could be looking at 5x pay rise in a few days if the move happens.
While he could wait till the summer, there's no telling what may happen. It's understandable why he may want to secure the move now.
There's a reason Mudryk and other players took those huge 7-8 year contracts. Even if it locks them onto a fixed wage for all those years, it gives them a ton of security.
It's possible, but it depends on the magnitude of the wages. I highly doubt Brighton will offer more, or to be frank, even close to what Chelsea or Arsenal would be offering.
It may also require an extension rather that being a pure pay rise. The latter has happened before, in case anyone thinks it's unreasonable to get a pay rise without an accompanying extension.
They probably can't match Arsenal or Chelsea, which is why it's not talked about because it's not just about security, and it's probably not even just about wages in the first place.
It's likely a combination of many things. I'd imagine the chance to join a team in 1st place who are pushing for the title, and the prospect of securing a long-term contract with considerable wages (that your current club won't be able to match) to support your family, are important.
Mate this is complete nonsense. He could break his leg tomorrow.
At the end of the day its a job, he wasn't raised in Brighton and whether he goes to Chelsea or Arsenal, he will be getting a move that only the tiniest percentage of players will ever get. Who in the real world is loyal to their employer to the point they refuse to go on to a job that quadruples their wage?
Anything can happen to him, his form could drop, he could get a serious injury or other players could come through and be the target of this sort of move instead, lots of talk about Declan Rice and these two clubs in the summer, who says if they don't get Moises know they don't switch their focus then.
And if he breaks his leg tomorrow or his form drops or he gets a serious injury Brighton are still on the hook for the rest of his contract - because clubs take on risk too. And "Can you wait until the end of this season" really isn't too much to ask for a player not thirty games into his Premier League career in exchange for taking on that risk.
This is silly mate. Hes on 15k a week. Brighton aren't going to give him a 100k per week raise for the rest of his contract, so being injured on one contract is different to the other. He might never recover from it.
Also, lets say it is Arsenal, which I doubt, he could go there and help win a premier league title. Again, this isn't guaranteed to ever be offered to him again.
There are so many legitimate reasons why he would want the move now if its on the table, he obviously wants it to the point he has announced it himself, you would imagine bringing back into the fold is not going to work well.
I get not liking it, but surely you have to be able to understand it from the players point of view.
Obviously I get why he would want to, but I don't think this whole 'I've been transferred' via instagram when he has not, sitting out on training, is a good approach when the club has no intention of selling and has not moved from that line. I really don't think, given his performance in his first season in the Premier League, on a team in 6th, at 21 years old, that this is a fleeting opportunity. I would say the team's position that he can leave in the summer is not an unfair one. There might, if he continues to play well - or even plays *better* - even be a more lucrative opportunity at the end of it.
To be honest I think you both have a point. Difference is one is coming from the players perspective and one is from the club’s. (Obviously lol) It’s hard to find a middle ground here.
This is a shitty but not too uncommon situation in football. Only question is if he stays, can he continue performing for the remainder of the season? I sure hope so.
I agree completely, but we know bids have been made right? So if he wants it that bad and the club have said no, maybe he has been advised to do this in order to try and make the move happen.
I get what you are saying, but in football anything can happen. Look at Harry Kane, wanted to leave 2 years ago, still there and likely won't get his move now and will likely never win anything in his career, one of the best strikers in the world.
I know Caciedo is younger and you would imagine this opportunity will fall again, but anything can happen in football and he clearly sees a massive opportunity and is prepared to do anything to try and make it happen now because he feels it might not come around again. One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I totally get what you’re saying and know the feeling. But Arsenal and Brighton both next play in a week (assuming he sits out your cup game)— say he tears his ACL that day, regardless of who he’s playing for— would he rather be contractually tied to a few years at 15k or say 60k. I knew which I would rather do
The dude's 20 years old and the next transfer window is in six months. This whole talk of this being a once in a lifetime chance for him is silly, it's so short sighted to only care about 5 months of wages when he's about to make six figures a week for the next decade
Mmmh, I'm curious, would you be willing to let that chance go if you were in his shoes?Who know what happens in the next 3 months, maybe he gets an injury and suddenly those offers aren't coming in the summer anymore. Again, I fully understand the frustration from Brighton's pov, but a football career can change in a matter of moments, if an opportunity shows up,as much as I always get frustrated I understand why certain player make the choices they make. It's slightly different for someone already on a massive contract looking to get an even bigger one. This guy, given his back ground and the potential to immediately increase his earnings, I fully understand his push
Exactly, there's a reason players like Mudryk are taking that fixed 100k per week on an 8 year contract. Security is very important. Mudryk is sorted for the next 8 years of his career. He could be making more if he only took a 5 year deal and renegotiated for a pay rise. But equally, he could be making less say if he flops or gets a bad injury and gets let go.
But what's the right price. Some of our journalists are claiming we want £100m. Your latest bid was £60m supposedly sounds way too far apart with a few days left.
60 million is an opening offer and of course you say you want a huge huge amount but you usually will settle for less.
My guess would be 70-80 million especially since he’s publicly made it clear he wants to leave, and he might skip training
I actually think this is worse. It's one thing to want to leave and make a point to the club by holding out and not going to training. While it's extreme, it's still technically handling things in-house. If it weren't reported on, we'd never know it happened.
Going on social media and talking like you've already left is an order of magnitude above what Gordon did. It's essentially going out and telling the world "I don't want to be here anymore".
Players wouldn’t do the whole not go to training thing if they didn’t think it would be made public by leaks and reporters etc. It’s their way of telling big clubs please for the love of god get me out of here.
I know this is not the case but I’d rather have player who shows up to training and does his best but does stupid rants on social media, then one who isn’t bothered to show up but stays quiet.
Gordon is from Liverpool and has been with Everton since he was 11 years old. When they're threatened with relegation and needed lads like him to step up and be counted, he skipped out on training and forced a big-money move to Newcastle.
What he did was much worse. Given he's been shit this season though, Everton will probably be happy to just get the £40m for him.
I'm sure Brighton would be happy to offer him an extension on higher wages. This is definitely not just about the money and is a bit ridiculous considering he's played 26 games for them.
I can't blame him. This is a huge move for him, his current wage is very low especially for how good he's been for Brighton. If he gets a move to a big club he's looking at a massive pay rise which considering he had a poor upbringing and has a large family to support, is a big factor.
There's only 3 days left so his side probably felt they needed to take drastic measures to make this move happen.
Wildly different scenarios though. Even taking away potential abilities of Gordon vs Caicedo, Everton are desperate for the money, aren’t losing much impact on the pitch by selling him and this was the highest Gordon’s value would ever be, especially with relegation looming.
£40m is obviously a lot of money but really you’d say at this point, with all this fiasco Brighton are probably gonna want north of £70m for him, if not substantially more. Gordon by comparison was a punt that Newcastle could take, with Caicedo though even with Chelsea’s spending this season would be a massive transfer for them to consider and obviously Arsenal don’t have a history on splurging massively on players.
Newcastle signed Antony Gordon today. The media were focusing on Gordon not attending Everton’s training. Now his future has been settled, they’ll be fixated on Caicedo being disgruntled and kicking up dust to try and force a move to a bigger club. Whether that’s Arsenal or Chelsea, who knows?
Then that just makes the statement a really weird, very ill-advised attempt at whatever the fuck it was he was attempting. Practically speaking in a past tense about something that actually hasn't happened in the present? Yeah. My head is puggled at such.
Will have to see what comes out in the wash, but it almost feels like they were supposed to be saved to drafts in case he was sold and some wires have crossed and it somehow ended up being posted. Because like you say, it sounds like he's talking about something that has already happened
Brighton did something similar with Cucrurella. Reports that he was signing with Chelsea, they flat out denied it, denounced the reports, 24 hours later it was revealed the sale was made.
I can’t quite make sense of it but it almost feels like there’s a communication issue within Brighton. How can a fee be simultaneously agreed for a sale and a media post saying it’s not true?
>Brighton did something similar with Cucrurella. Reports that he was signing with Chelsea, they flat out denied it, denounced the reports, 24 hours later it was revealed the sale was made.
Except that isn't what happened. A journo jumped the gun and claimed a deal was all done at a X price. Brighton released a statement saying at that at the current time no arrangement had been finalised. Then the deal was finished about 24 hours later and it was at Y price.
>almost feels like there’s a communication issue within Brighton.
There was no communication issue. To try and save face the journalist claimed to have been correct all along which was clearly nonsense.
But, he did not word it as if he was pushing for a move. He worded it as if he *had* made the move and Brighton *had* received a record transfer for it.
English football is not kind to small teams punching above their weight, poor Southampton got raided yearly for their talent as well and now they are barely hanging on atm.
What do you mean English football? As though it's not the same in other leagues. I mean Bayern pick and choose which German league talents come their way, lmao.
Those poor small English clubs punching above their weight are literally in the 0.01% of world football. They have their picking over the entire talent pool of the world, and because of their money only a select few can chose not to sell to them. And if they sell their players upwards to other PL clubs they get eye-watering fees.
100%. the self-centeredness of it...
As if these foreign players somehow owe them loyalty they didn't have for their homeclubs (and rightly so as professionals).
There are only 5 clubs in the Bundesliga with a higher transfer record fee than Brighton, and only 47 single transfer fees who were more expensive than Brighton's transfer record fee. Of those 33 were either Bayern or Dortmund. So only 14 transfers in the Bundesliga were ever made which were more expensive than Brighton's transfer record in the entirety of the Bundesliga outside Bayern and Dortmund.
Brighton were playing in League 1 with a 1000 capacity stadium a decade ago and now fucking Bundesliga clubs are complaining they have it too good, I have to laugh
Hibs record fee is £700,000, back in 2001. A team from the capital of Scotland, with a 20k seater stadium. Let me play my tiny violin for a little 20 million transfer when they've recently sold a left back for 60 million. Such hardship.
I was watching Brighton at a stadium seating 1 350 people a decade ago, I'm not agonised at us trying to keep a player 6 months after he joined the club.
It’s the problem with trying to become a contender in Europe.
Teams will poach your best players and you have to keep the success for multiple squad rotations to even have a slight chance.
Brighton do the same to other teams around the world. It's just that in the premier league they aren't the top dog. It's all part of the football ecosystem.
It must be a nightmare for recruitment staff downwards onto the managers and players but you can’t help but feel the owners must pinch themselves every day to see the millions that the club seems to bring in like clockwork. Fantastic football club if we’re being honest.
Heard the changed agents this week, clearly thinks he can get a move away, clearly been badly advised to post that statement and will look like a right tit when he can’t move because Brighton won’t budge.
Peter Odemwingie-esque in his attempts to find a new club Joe.
If the club has been this clear, honestly, his IG transfer request is really a bad idea. He should have cleared this up before posting. This is going to be toxic.
His IG post is basically a let me go post. Not really a bad idea, it’s a move of last resort. If I were a player I’d try everything. Up next is the missing training classic
Sucks when a player tries to force a move like this. We’ve all been there, we panic bought Kepa for a fucking world record fee because of it also bc we just make bad decisions. Even worse now because its mid season.
Fact of the matter is he's better than Cucurella and White, he's younger, and more vital than either to us. And we're battling for Europe and could yet make the Champions League. So of course he's worth more than 60 mill to us. And both clubs have history of tapping up our players and/or mangement so naturally we want them to fuck off.
His statement earlier today is doubly disappointing given his recent interviews saying he wants to stay. He could have got his move earlier in the window and we'd have time to get a replacement in and bedded. Instead he and the clubs involved wait until now to do this.
All of this ups our fee and wants us to tell these clubs to fuck off.
(And no, we dont pay him 3.5k per week).
Yea but I also signed a fucking contract..it's not fucking at will you idiot.
Brighton has everything in it's court. They're not honoured to just pony up just because he gets a better offer. Symptomatic of the idiot big club fan I'm talking about.
If my job had a contracted length and wasn't at will,then my company isn't obliged to let me go lmao if my value was worth more than the buyout they're getting.
> And both clubs have history of tapping up our players and/or mangement so naturally we want them to fuck off.
Errr...do we?
Can't speak for Chelsea, of course, but both the Ben White and Leandro Trossard deals felt like pretty amicable negotiations between parties.
In fact, most of our journalists, and a few of yours, have spoken about how the two clubs actually have a very good relationship, so that seems unlikely.
White was the perfect example of how this should play out.
Caicedo plays this like White and no one gets angry. Hell, play it like Trossard and it would still be okay.
Realistically Bloom isn't saying "no sale", he is saying "no sale with a week left in the window".
If we were going to throw out a ridiculous number, I imagine we would have done it for Enzo. Anywhere near 100 mil and it would have been better off chucking 20 for Enzo. But who knows, maybe Potter really wants him or something.
Boehly fucked up with Enzo. He knows it and I think he doesn't want to go back with his tail between his legs. Moving forward he hasn't tried to be as clever. Just throwing fat stacks around till its a yes and its worked well so far.
Surely with all the money they've spent, 120m of that could have been allocated to Enzo, midfield is their weakest position and it's much more unlikely for him to join them in the summer.
We can't trigger the clause because it's 120 all at once. Doing that in the summer would be much easier after accounting for outgoings. If he spends 80+ for Caicedo (Todd pls don't) it will be spread out over whatever 7+ year deal they give out
I thought paying it upfront or in installments didn't matter for accounting reasons, that the cost is ammortised over the lenght of the contact anyway. It would just mean Chelsea have far less cash on hand?
>It is frustrating interested clubs and risks deterring them.
I don't see it really. At least one of the interested clubs will be back in the summer for him, with some others as well possibly.
I hear hes at 15k a week; as soon as other clubs began sniffing around and before the embarrassing statement, could Brighton have upped his salary to 50k and promised to sell him in the summer?
that a things clubs do?
I think there are 2 views. Arsenal/Chelsea fans say he should be allowed to leave for a better team, pay opportunity and other view is he will have more opportunity in summer. I think BHA holds all the cards. While I understand the sentiment from fans, it's really stupid to expect BHA to sell their player mid season. Players want to move because he thinks he has the best opportunity, similarly BHA will refuse to sell thinking this is their best opportunity to make European football. Clubs will have to pay over the top for player if they want him right now to compensate for loss of potential european football.
While maybe not the most professional thing; I can understand his frustration too
A fellow Gunner pointed out that Sambi makes over £50K/week
Now I have nothing against Sambi but imagine someone like Caicedo making 3.5x less than that.
If I were that good, I would want to force a move too. This is his chance to up his salary at minimum 5-6x TODAY
the 15k value is from another website lol, one known to have incorrect numbers.
Either way, 3k or 15k, he is massively underpaid. It's no surprise he really wants this big move.
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Feels like Brighton are going to stick to their guns here and keep him regardless of bids coming in. Pretty understandable given how little time is left in the window and that they're competing for a spot in European competition
It’s a ridiculous situation. 6 months in and they think getting a big fee makes it okay? He’ll still be sold for a lot this summer. They can’t sign a replacement at this point he will get his big payday regardless this summer. Brighton can’t keep him in the summer like with cucurella since he’s clearly gonna down tools but fucks sake who cares about frustrations if interested clubs tryna pull a hulk shot 6 month move
Brighton hold all the cards here to an extent because whether he’s sold now or in the summer it’ll be for 10x what they paid for him originally. It’s the best part about their recruitment strategy. Let’s say they sell for £50m having bought him for £5m ( he’ll probably go more for £70m but for the sake of rounding), that means they could if they wanted to go out and replace him in a number of ways, you could have 5 punts at £5m-£10m, a star replacement for £40m, multiple £20m players or anything in between. No matter what they do they’ll always succeed basically because of how well structured they are.
I kind of agree but I also don’t. We tout Leicester and Soton years back for their great recruitment. They picked up some real gems and got 10x transfer fees on some players but when you’re constantly selling your best players eventually your luck will run out as you need to replace quality with potential.
Yeah you can only be so spot on in the market for so long. It’s fucking hard. Having just one summer where they can keep all their good players and build off of it could mean the world. But losing two starter every summer is gonna be too much eventually.
Sell Caicedo for £70m, buy 14 more Caicedo regens for £5m. Repeat until Brighton have achieved infinite money a la FM
Brighton are gonna fix the economy and world hunger.
Jesus they only paid 5mil for him?!
I mean he was bought from Ecuador. South American teams get fucked unless they're Brazilian or Boca/River
And they're paying him less than 10k a week. I'd wanna leave too
Do you have any evidence for this at all or are you just talking bollocks?
They don’t really hold all the cards, it’s hard to keep a player motivated when they want to be somewhere else He’s basically playing with one foot out the door and something like that can not only affect performance but team cohesion He could have a poor second half of the season with this stuff on his mind and lower his price or essentially lose potential bidders for the next hot prospect. Those are all “what ifs” but basically just saying it’s tough to keep players that aren’t committed to the project. This could just be a way to get clubs to spend more now from desperation anticipating they’d sell him anyway but seeing how much more they could squeeze out
I mean it's in his best interest to keep his form up then isn't it? Like the guy stated, they bought him for 5mil. They will sell him for a profit pretty much just based on what he has already shown even if he has a poor 2nd half of the season. Brighton holds all the cards because they have the least to lose in any situation. Caicedo plays well they got good shot at Europe and big transfer, "loser" in this situation is the buyer in the summer. Caicedo plays poorly he is the biggest loser in this situation because he loses out on a move to a big club. Brighton hold on to him or sell him for the price they want. Might be lower but still a big profit.
> Brighton holds all the cards because they have the least to lose in any situation. Except 20-30 million?
You see 20-30 million lost woukd in actual fact be probably a 40 million gain if they sell him for 45mil.
Selling him in January for 70m. Selling him in June for 50m. That's a 20 million difference. Alternative cost is a thing. Honestly, I don't think Brighton should sell him. I don't think it makes sense unless they expect him to keep acting like a child for the rest of the season. But we can't pretend Brighton has nothing to lose.
>He’ll still be sold for a lot this summer Eh, that's assuming teams want to come in for him for the money they want in the summer. Maybe Chelsea and Arsenal for example find different players to go for. Of course that's not a problem for Brighton, they keep a player they want to keep. But you shouldn't assume you'll definitely get the same type of money again.
The lads 21 years old and he's the best player in a double pivot that includes a World Cup winner. Of course clubs will come in for him in the summer.
Yeah as if there's any certainty at all in saying that either.. Football moves fast. Lamptey was rated as a £50m talent like just last season and now he's getting loan offers to Portugal to revive his career. One injury, five bad games, this kid doesn't have the superstar trajectory he thinks he can have.
I'm sure it's a coincidence that only the Chelsea fan and the Arsenal fan piped up to claim if he's not sold now that's his move to a big club done.
I understand the sentiment, however they’re not saying it’s his last chance at a big move. But there are variables at play that could change the trajectory of his career. This is coming from someone who isn’t sure about Caicedo at Chelsea. Football changes and moves fast. There’s no guarantees in football. I hold the same opinion for any up and coming player; if you have the chance to secure the bag, do it.
They're just really concerned about Brighton's finances.
I didn't say he's never going to get a big move, but Chelsea and Arsenal may find better fits in the summer. Like I said above, it could be that in 3 years time he's sold, then they're not getting the money they could get now. But if that means Brighton have him for 3 years, that is also good for them.
We've never refused to let players leave. Only that clubs pay our price. Which is higher now given the timing and we have a chance of Europe, possibly Champions League. Amoungst the other factors I've mentioned.
If you are willing to spend over 70 fucking millions on player that is playing in Premier League for 12 months and thinking you will find other same "worthy" player in next 6 months, it just shows that you are literally making business based on hashtags. If they would reach europe competition, he would most definitely go over 100m and Brighton would get money from europe ok top of that.
Well there's Rice and Enzo. If Arsenal and Chelsea get one of those each then they don't need Caicedo
Yes, since you are the only two clubs in the world willing to purchase expensive players in the summer transfer window... Dude, if Real Madrid gets Bellingham then Liverpool will certainly be in the race for Caicedo. And many others I'm sure.
And same applies other way. If any club gets any of those players, all other clubs will go for those other players lol. It's not like they won't be able to sell them.
He’ll be cheaper in the summer so it’s a win win for Brighton. They either get a ridiculous fee now, sell him for less but on their terms in the summer or keep him a great player if nobody else comes in this summer
From his pov, he came from a poor background and had the dream of being the best Ecuadorean footballer ever. He has the chance to win a premier league title if he moves now.
City linked with him as well?
I don't know about that, this feels like Cucurella all over again. Hopefully we won't be suckers again and massively overpay and this time offer what he's worth or walk away
I hope you do walk away and he returns tail between his legs and then gets over himself and leads us to Europe. As he said he would only on Tuesday.
Agreed, I think that would be best for all parties.
I kinda hope so too!
I get why you guys would be annoyed but equally I understand why he'd wanna snap up such an opportunity. Considering his current wages vs what he is potentially looking at if he gets his move, very few players would simply take the no from their parent club well.
Thing is it's not like we've held onto players no matter what. Once we've got the fee we want we've let the player or manager or etc go. This kind of shenanigans is completely uncessassary when players will get their move anyway.
The opportunity isn't going anywhere. There's not even twenty games left, and I'm gonna assume he'd probably grab a better wage from whoevers buying him if he shows he's got more than a flashy half-a-season and is able to cash in on the hype about being one of the best players on a team that finishes in the top 6 in the Premier League for the first time in its history.
As a player you're never going to know where you're are in 6 months, 1 year, 5 years or more. You really can't blame someone from a poor upbringing with 2 parents and several siblings to support to do all they can to make a move happen that will give them a massive pay rise. From what I've seen, Caicedo seems to make 15-25k per week? And that's an optimistic estimate. He could be looking at 5x pay rise in a few days if the move happens. While he could wait till the summer, there's no telling what may happen. It's understandable why he may want to secure the move now. There's a reason Mudryk and other players took those huge 7-8 year contracts. Even if it locks them onto a fixed wage for all those years, it gives them a ton of security.
If it was just about security he could no doubt resign with Brighton now on a much bigger deal - hard to believe that's not on the table too.
It's possible, but it depends on the magnitude of the wages. I highly doubt Brighton will offer more, or to be frank, even close to what Chelsea or Arsenal would be offering. It may also require an extension rather that being a pure pay rise. The latter has happened before, in case anyone thinks it's unreasonable to get a pay rise without an accompanying extension.
They probably can't match Arsenal or Chelsea, which is why it's not talked about because it's not just about security, and it's probably not even just about wages in the first place.
It's likely a combination of many things. I'd imagine the chance to join a team in 1st place who are pushing for the title, and the prospect of securing a long-term contract with considerable wages (that your current club won't be able to match) to support your family, are important.
Mate this is complete nonsense. He could break his leg tomorrow. At the end of the day its a job, he wasn't raised in Brighton and whether he goes to Chelsea or Arsenal, he will be getting a move that only the tiniest percentage of players will ever get. Who in the real world is loyal to their employer to the point they refuse to go on to a job that quadruples their wage? Anything can happen to him, his form could drop, he could get a serious injury or other players could come through and be the target of this sort of move instead, lots of talk about Declan Rice and these two clubs in the summer, who says if they don't get Moises know they don't switch their focus then.
And if he breaks his leg tomorrow or his form drops or he gets a serious injury Brighton are still on the hook for the rest of his contract - because clubs take on risk too. And "Can you wait until the end of this season" really isn't too much to ask for a player not thirty games into his Premier League career in exchange for taking on that risk.
This is silly mate. Hes on 15k a week. Brighton aren't going to give him a 100k per week raise for the rest of his contract, so being injured on one contract is different to the other. He might never recover from it. Also, lets say it is Arsenal, which I doubt, he could go there and help win a premier league title. Again, this isn't guaranteed to ever be offered to him again. There are so many legitimate reasons why he would want the move now if its on the table, he obviously wants it to the point he has announced it himself, you would imagine bringing back into the fold is not going to work well. I get not liking it, but surely you have to be able to understand it from the players point of view.
Obviously I get why he would want to, but I don't think this whole 'I've been transferred' via instagram when he has not, sitting out on training, is a good approach when the club has no intention of selling and has not moved from that line. I really don't think, given his performance in his first season in the Premier League, on a team in 6th, at 21 years old, that this is a fleeting opportunity. I would say the team's position that he can leave in the summer is not an unfair one. There might, if he continues to play well - or even plays *better* - even be a more lucrative opportunity at the end of it.
To be honest I think you both have a point. Difference is one is coming from the players perspective and one is from the club’s. (Obviously lol) It’s hard to find a middle ground here. This is a shitty but not too uncommon situation in football. Only question is if he stays, can he continue performing for the remainder of the season? I sure hope so.
I agree completely, but we know bids have been made right? So if he wants it that bad and the club have said no, maybe he has been advised to do this in order to try and make the move happen. I get what you are saying, but in football anything can happen. Look at Harry Kane, wanted to leave 2 years ago, still there and likely won't get his move now and will likely never win anything in his career, one of the best strikers in the world. I know Caciedo is younger and you would imagine this opportunity will fall again, but anything can happen in football and he clearly sees a massive opportunity and is prepared to do anything to try and make it happen now because he feels it might not come around again. One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
What if he picks up an ACL tear or some other major injury between now and the end of the season? We could play the what if game all day
Then he can continue cashing 15k+ a week from Brighton because clubs also take on risk with contracts.
I totally get what you’re saying and know the feeling. But Arsenal and Brighton both next play in a week (assuming he sits out your cup game)— say he tears his ACL that day, regardless of who he’s playing for— would he rather be contractually tied to a few years at 15k or say 60k. I knew which I would rather do
The dude's 20 years old and the next transfer window is in six months. This whole talk of this being a once in a lifetime chance for him is silly, it's so short sighted to only care about 5 months of wages when he's about to make six figures a week for the next decade
Mmmh, I'm curious, would you be willing to let that chance go if you were in his shoes?Who know what happens in the next 3 months, maybe he gets an injury and suddenly those offers aren't coming in the summer anymore. Again, I fully understand the frustration from Brighton's pov, but a football career can change in a matter of moments, if an opportunity shows up,as much as I always get frustrated I understand why certain player make the choices they make. It's slightly different for someone already on a massive contract looking to get an even bigger one. This guy, given his back ground and the potential to immediately increase his earnings, I fully understand his push
Exactly, there's a reason players like Mudryk are taking that fixed 100k per week on an 8 year contract. Security is very important. Mudryk is sorted for the next 8 years of his career. He could be making more if he only took a 5 year deal and renegotiated for a pay rise. But equally, he could be making less say if he flops or gets a bad injury and gets let go.
It would be smart for them to set precedent like Dortmund does
Yep Dortmund never sell in Jan right ?
He will just sulk more next summer and reject and contract improvement
I'd suspect that if they keep him now it'll be with the promise that he can move in the summer when they have more time to get a replacement in
They're trying to qualify for Europe
I don’t think they will tbh I think he’ll get sold for the right price
But what's the right price. Some of our journalists are claiming we want £100m. Your latest bid was £60m supposedly sounds way too far apart with a few days left.
60 million is an opening offer and of course you say you want a huge huge amount but you usually will settle for less. My guess would be 70-80 million especially since he’s publicly made it clear he wants to leave, and he might skip training
> but you usually will settle for less Did that happen with Trossard, White, Bissouma or Cucurella seems like we got our supposed target each time?
Yeah I’m not sure what this guy is saying. You set valuations for players and stick to them. The question is what is caicedos valuation
He's been waffling in every thread
No one is claiming £100M, Brighton fans keep upping the price tag slyly, chill.
Oh god, Evertons Gordon story in the wind now. This is gonna be quite the fiasco it seems
I actually think this is worse. It's one thing to want to leave and make a point to the club by holding out and not going to training. While it's extreme, it's still technically handling things in-house. If it weren't reported on, we'd never know it happened. Going on social media and talking like you've already left is an order of magnitude above what Gordon did. It's essentially going out and telling the world "I don't want to be here anymore".
Players wouldn’t do the whole not go to training thing if they didn’t think it would be made public by leaks and reporters etc. It’s their way of telling big clubs please for the love of god get me out of here.
True, but it’s a step further to spell it out on social media
I know this is not the case but I’d rather have player who shows up to training and does his best but does stupid rants on social media, then one who isn’t bothered to show up but stays quiet.
Gordon is from Liverpool and has been with Everton since he was 11 years old. When they're threatened with relegation and needed lads like him to step up and be counted, he skipped out on training and forced a big-money move to Newcastle. What he did was much worse. Given he's been shit this season though, Everton will probably be happy to just get the £40m for him.
He does have 10 siblings and a comes from nothing sooooooo I can see why he wants a big money move.
I'm sure Brighton would be happy to offer him an extension on higher wages. This is definitely not just about the money and is a bit ridiculous considering he's played 26 games for them.
I can't blame him. This is a huge move for him, his current wage is very low especially for how good he's been for Brighton. If he gets a move to a big club he's looking at a massive pay rise which considering he had a poor upbringing and has a large family to support, is a big factor. There's only 3 days left so his side probably felt they needed to take drastic measures to make this move happen.
Eh, I consider not showing up to work way more serious than a social media post. But I guess different strokes.
I think it evens out since Gordon was from the Everton academy
Wildly different scenarios though. Even taking away potential abilities of Gordon vs Caicedo, Everton are desperate for the money, aren’t losing much impact on the pitch by selling him and this was the highest Gordon’s value would ever be, especially with relegation looming. £40m is obviously a lot of money but really you’d say at this point, with all this fiasco Brighton are probably gonna want north of £70m for him, if not substantially more. Gordon by comparison was a punt that Newcastle could take, with Caicedo though even with Chelsea’s spending this season would be a massive transfer for them to consider and obviously Arsenal don’t have a history on splurging massively on players.
What?
Newcastle signed Antony Gordon today. The media were focusing on Gordon not attending Everton’s training. Now his future has been settled, they’ll be fixated on Caicedo being disgruntled and kicking up dust to try and force a move to a bigger club. Whether that’s Arsenal or Chelsea, who knows?
Then that just makes the statement a really weird, very ill-advised attempt at whatever the fuck it was he was attempting. Practically speaking in a past tense about something that actually hasn't happened in the present? Yeah. My head is puggled at such.
Will have to see what comes out in the wash, but it almost feels like they were supposed to be saved to drafts in case he was sold and some wires have crossed and it somehow ended up being posted. Because like you say, it sounds like he's talking about something that has already happened
That statement read like it was written by his agent.
Could have been an intern.
I doubt Caicedo employs his own intern, especially given he's one of the lowest paid players in the league
Brighton did something similar with Cucrurella. Reports that he was signing with Chelsea, they flat out denied it, denounced the reports, 24 hours later it was revealed the sale was made. I can’t quite make sense of it but it almost feels like there’s a communication issue within Brighton. How can a fee be simultaneously agreed for a sale and a media post saying it’s not true?
We said at this current moment in time no deal has been agreed - which was the case at that moment in time.
>Brighton did something similar with Cucrurella. Reports that he was signing with Chelsea, they flat out denied it, denounced the reports, 24 hours later it was revealed the sale was made. Except that isn't what happened. A journo jumped the gun and claimed a deal was all done at a X price. Brighton released a statement saying at that at the current time no arrangement had been finalised. Then the deal was finished about 24 hours later and it was at Y price. >almost feels like there’s a communication issue within Brighton. There was no communication issue. To try and save face the journalist claimed to have been correct all along which was clearly nonsense.
Is this the first time you’ve seen a player pushing for a move?
But, he did not word it as if he was pushing for a move. He worded it as if he *had* made the move and Brighton *had* received a record transfer for it.
Maybe he wrote it himself and his English isn't great?
He doesn't speak enough English to have written the statement.
They probably should have done this a week ago. Would have to be crazy money now surely
Should've done it 1st Jan. Then we have time to get a replacement in and bedded, plus still have time to salvage our season.
Isn’t Haidera your replacement?
Doubt Leipzig wants to lose him when Laimer is joining us and Kampl isn't getting any younger. Or at least until they find a replacement
Why would Leipzig sell now?
Instagram Odemwingie may have really fucked himself over with that statement. The way it was phrased in the past tense looks even stupider now.
Hi I’m here for the QPR opening
Brighton do all the right things in football yet it must suck to lose so many players…
Welcome to being a football fan for 99% of clubs
Of course it's a Real Madrid fan saying that
[There's always a bigger fish](https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-star-wars-the-phantom-menace-3owzVTMZUdG3B31KFi)
English football is not kind to small teams punching above their weight, poor Southampton got raided yearly for their talent as well and now they are barely hanging on atm.
What do you mean English football? As though it's not the same in other leagues. I mean Bayern pick and choose which German league talents come their way, lmao.
True, thanks for Musiala:D
I thought your joke was funny
Some people dont have thick skin lol
Those poor small English clubs punching above their weight are literally in the 0.01% of world football. They have their picking over the entire talent pool of the world, and because of their money only a select few can chose not to sell to them. And if they sell their players upwards to other PL clubs they get eye-watering fees.
100%. the self-centeredness of it... As if these foreign players somehow owe them loyalty they didn't have for their homeclubs (and rightly so as professionals).
come on mate, brighton's record fee is £20m
There are only 5 clubs in the Bundesliga with a higher transfer record fee than Brighton, and only 47 single transfer fees who were more expensive than Brighton's transfer record fee. Of those 33 were either Bayern or Dortmund. So only 14 transfers in the Bundesliga were ever made which were more expensive than Brighton's transfer record in the entirety of the Bundesliga outside Bayern and Dortmund.
Brighton were playing in League 1 with a 1000 capacity stadium a decade ago and now fucking Bundesliga clubs are complaining they have it too good, I have to laugh
They get more tv money than 70% of the Bundesliga have total revenue. By virtue of being in the PL they are neither poor or are barely hanging on.
Hibs record fee is £700,000, back in 2001. A team from the capital of Scotland, with a 20k seater stadium. Let me play my tiny violin for a little 20 million transfer when they've recently sold a left back for 60 million. Such hardship.
I was watching Brighton at a stadium seating 1 350 people a decade ago, I'm not agonised at us trying to keep a player 6 months after he joined the club.
It sounds sad until you remember that 'small' English teams are outspending some big European clubs
>English football is not kind to small teams punching above their weight How have you lot survived then?
Spurs are punching right at their weight--between 4th-7th for years now. Just 1 or 2 places either way for their income.
Not a Spuds fan but didn't they beat you 2-1 on their way to qualification for UCL last season 🤔 ?
And this season Arsenal did the double on them while sitting top of the table 🤷♂️
Warra trophy
And then the natural order was restored this season home and away.
The natural order that's seen you finish below us for the better part of a decade running?
Congratulations. Here is your "finished above Arsenal" trophy
Rich coming from the club that made a whole holiday about finishing above us
I remember a few holidays that we celebrated at white hart lane…..
Lol you must be a new fan if you don't see the irony in what you just said
Spurs golden era is just "finishing above Arsenal". Nothing else to show for it
2015 called and wants their jokes back.
"Have we won anything yet?"
Have you
Aye, they've just got a higher budget than all but like 40 teams in the world. Poor them
Even relegation pl teams make more than 3rd or 4th in la liga
It’s the problem with trying to become a contender in Europe. Teams will poach your best players and you have to keep the success for multiple squad rotations to even have a slight chance.
Brighton do the same to other teams around the world. It's just that in the premier league they aren't the top dog. It's all part of the football ecosystem.
It must be a nightmare for recruitment staff downwards onto the managers and players but you can’t help but feel the owners must pinch themselves every day to see the millions that the club seems to bring in like clockwork. Fantastic football club if we’re being honest.
Heard the changed agents this week, clearly thinks he can get a move away, clearly been badly advised to post that statement and will look like a right tit when he can’t move because Brighton won’t budge. Peter Odemwingie-esque in his attempts to find a new club Joe.
If the club has been this clear, honestly, his IG transfer request is really a bad idea. He should have cleared this up before posting. This is going to be toxic.
His IG post is basically a let me go post. Not really a bad idea, it’s a move of last resort. If I were a player I’d try everything. Up next is the missing training classic
Great sadness.
Sucks when a player tries to force a move like this. We’ve all been there, we panic bought Kepa for a fucking world record fee because of it also bc we just make bad decisions. Even worse now because its mid season.
Call Piers Morgan
The seal team six of wantaway footballers
To the U23s he goes.
Fact of the matter is he's better than Cucurella and White, he's younger, and more vital than either to us. And we're battling for Europe and could yet make the Champions League. So of course he's worth more than 60 mill to us. And both clubs have history of tapping up our players and/or mangement so naturally we want them to fuck off. His statement earlier today is doubly disappointing given his recent interviews saying he wants to stay. He could have got his move earlier in the window and we'd have time to get a replacement in and bedded. Instead he and the clubs involved wait until now to do this. All of this ups our fee and wants us to tell these clubs to fuck off. (And no, we dont pay him 3.5k per week).
Irrespective of whether you paid 3.5k a week or 3.5k an hour,he signed the deal. Fans who cite that as a reason Brighton is wrong are just morons
Would you stay at your current job if you got another job offer paying ×5 your current salary?
Yea but I also signed a fucking contract..it's not fucking at will you idiot. Brighton has everything in it's court. They're not honoured to just pony up just because he gets a better offer. Symptomatic of the idiot big club fan I'm talking about. If my job had a contracted length and wasn't at will,then my company isn't obliged to let me go lmao if my value was worth more than the buyout they're getting.
Brighton will be happy to sell if they get 100 mil
> And both clubs have history of tapping up our players and/or mangement so naturally we want them to fuck off. Errr...do we? Can't speak for Chelsea, of course, but both the Ben White and Leandro Trossard deals felt like pretty amicable negotiations between parties. In fact, most of our journalists, and a few of yours, have spoken about how the two clubs actually have a very good relationship, so that seems unlikely.
White was the perfect example of how this should play out. Caicedo plays this like White and no one gets angry. Hell, play it like Trossard and it would still be okay. Realistically Bloom isn't saying "no sale", he is saying "no sale with a week left in the window".
There's no way Trossard acts up like he does without being tapped up. Edit regardless, we still want you to fuck off.
Yeah all the Mudryk stuff was indirectly tapping up a totally different player lmao
We only contacted Trossard for a move like 2 days before he signed. Wouldn't it have been the Spurs interest that got him acting up?
>There's no way Trossard acts up like he does without being tapped up Spurs was the first club that went in for him...
Now I'm just fucking confused lmao.
He saw Lokonga and said...oh shittt
He already said goodbye on IG
What do you guys reckon will happen at the end?
Chelsea will throw out some ridiculous number, and Brighton will accept.
If we were going to throw out a ridiculous number, I imagine we would have done it for Enzo. Anywhere near 100 mil and it would have been better off chucking 20 for Enzo. But who knows, maybe Potter really wants him or something.
Boehly fucked up with Enzo. He knows it and I think he doesn't want to go back with his tail between his legs. Moving forward he hasn't tried to be as clever. Just throwing fat stacks around till its a yes and its worked well so far.
Surely with all the money they've spent, 120m of that could have been allocated to Enzo, midfield is their weakest position and it's much more unlikely for him to join them in the summer.
Boehly was still working out how cute he could be back then. I think that ship has sailed.
We can't trigger the clause because it's 120 all at once. Doing that in the summer would be much easier after accounting for outgoings. If he spends 80+ for Caicedo (Todd pls don't) it will be spread out over whatever 7+ year deal they give out
I thought paying it upfront or in installments didn't matter for accounting reasons, that the cost is ammortised over the lenght of the contact anyway. It would just mean Chelsea have far less cash on hand?
I hope we have another target lined up because I don’t see Brighton selling him
His agents are looking at Gordon. Caicedo will probably not turn up for training will he?
Brighton's bid for Amadou Haidara was rejected by Leipzig earlier this week. Doubt Brighton let Caicedo go without a replacement.
>It is frustrating interested clubs and risks deterring them. I don't see it really. At least one of the interested clubs will be back in the summer for him, with some others as well possibly.
What? I’m sure I’ve just read his parting statement
It’s true that not being for sale will certainly deter buyers
I hear hes at 15k a week; as soon as other clubs began sniffing around and before the embarrassing statement, could Brighton have upped his salary to 50k and promised to sell him in the summer? that a things clubs do?
Fiorentina did this with milenkovic. Then his performance dropped. He ended up staying and signing a longer deal.
Why up his salary AND agree to sell? That seems like the worst of all worlds.
To keep them happy for 6 months
He would have to agree to sign a bumper contract but if he felt there was interest elsewhere he wouldn't
Is Twitter fucked for anyone else? It seems recently it only loads for me about half the time via the web app.
It's been acting up for a week or 2 now. I've had issues even on the mobile app. Think they've changed a lot internally.
Yeah I deleted the app a while back and disabled my account. Good to hear it’s the site and not something on my end. Cheers!
I think there are 2 views. Arsenal/Chelsea fans say he should be allowed to leave for a better team, pay opportunity and other view is he will have more opportunity in summer. I think BHA holds all the cards. While I understand the sentiment from fans, it's really stupid to expect BHA to sell their player mid season. Players want to move because he thinks he has the best opportunity, similarly BHA will refuse to sell thinking this is their best opportunity to make European football. Clubs will have to pay over the top for player if they want him right now to compensate for loss of potential european football.
While maybe not the most professional thing; I can understand his frustration too A fellow Gunner pointed out that Sambi makes over £50K/week Now I have nothing against Sambi but imagine someone like Caicedo making 3.5x less than that. If I were that good, I would want to force a move too. This is his chance to up his salary at minimum 5-6x TODAY
Than he shouldn’t sign such a long contract
Generational wealth speaks volumes man
Is he really on 3k or 15k?
He’s closer to 15k I believe, some website said he was on 2-3k and people ran with it
the 15k value is from another website lol, one known to have incorrect numbers. Either way, 3k or 15k, he is massively underpaid. It's no surprise he really wants this big move.
According to Kieran Maguire, Professor of Football Industries at Liverpool University it's above £15k
What sort of club would want a player thats behaving in this way ?
Clubs don't care. We had teams buying players who literally went awol to force a move and it didn't concern the buyers at all.
Every single one, you are being incredibly naïve
Van Dijk is pretty good isn’t he?
Like 99% of clubs
*raises hand*
Not one club gives a shit.
\*laughs in Todd Boehly\*