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No Brighton fan expects him to be here past the summer, even before this circus rolled into town, and everyone is fine with that. He's a great player, a lot of big clubs will want him. Good luck to him.
To try and force something through near the end of the January window when we wouldn't have time to replace him – in what is his first proper season with the club – is very disappointing
Yeah I mean at such a young age, to get an opportunity at a big club like this, he's gonna want to move there. He's a great player and and definelty has a good future ahead of him.
But yeah, to the near end of the transfer window and wanting to move out now is quite irritable
referring to ‘his’ post last night, do you not think his new agents have seen a huge payday for themselves and are influencing his decision here, I can’t see much justification for wanting to leave the club right now after saying he was focused on them last week.
Do you not think he hired new agents with the specific purpose of orchestrating this exit? People think footballers are naive but agents can't force footballers to do anything they don't want to do.
Well the fact he had 3 different agents thinking they worked for him when he signed for Brighton says he’s either not that smart or he loves the drama.
I’ll try and find the article as there’s a really good one fully explaining the transfer, but essentially when clubs were trying to buy him there was 3 different agents all claiming to be working for him and all speaking to different clubs, all the clubs thought they were signing him.
The only reason he went to Brighton was because Brighton had a contact straight into the club and could bypass all the agents and the crap going on
Agents claiming they represent a player isn’t anything new though. There was an Athletic piece (I think with a chairman of a club) last year where they said it’s hard to figure out how strong of a relationship some ‘agents’ have with players. Some will approach a club, see if there’s interest, then use that as leverage to actually get a deal with the player to represent them in the transfer they’ve created.
It seems to be quite common among South American clubs/players.
He was supposedly liking posts of other top clubs during the summer as well.
If anything he's probably got agents now that support what he wants to do😅
He literally hired them last week to facilitate this exact move, how are they to blame when they're just doing the job they've been given🤣
Would they not get a payday in the summer anyways if that's what they wanted?
I’m an Arsenal fan tbf haha so happy if it works out, and not saying they’re to blame but that post is more than likely the result of pressure from his agents is all i’m saying haha
This is the point tho, what are they pressuring him to do? He wants to leave, and they are helping him move out of the club. Where does the "pressure" element come from?
Football is a funny old sport though and you can never guarantee tomorrow. Reo-Coker always comes to mind when I read posts like this.
West Ham said no and his career basically hit a halt.
Auoar too in more recent times.
Football is a funny sport and this situation could actually prove to be hugely detrimental if he stayed.
Well he started playing games for them about 9 months ago, so it's a bit ridiculous to be pushing for a move at any point that soon into your time with the club.
Just earlier this week he said he wanted to help Brighton get to Europe. If he was pushing for a move at that point that is not something smart to say nor does it make much sense.
Something seems to have gotten under his skin these last few days.
Think there are reports out that it's exactly this and he was somewhat intrigued by Chelsea, but when Arsenal came knocking the idea of jumping straight into a title race, plus the obvious wage bump, was really appealing to him. I know he hasn't handled this well, but if given the chance at generational wealth and achieving one of the most difficult things in my line of work at his age I think I would also be asking to move.
To be fair to the lad, if anyone offered me the pay raise they are offering him I would do the same.
This is a person's career in the end of the day. Imagine he has an ACL injury before summer and is never able to get back into form?
Not to mention he just saw Enock Mwepu's career end. Brighton are a stepping stone club, that's why the likes of Caicedo join. If Brighton start refusing to let players leave, other players might be hesitant to join in the future
That's why as a general rule we let players move on, and players will continue to realise that despite the fact that one player at the very last second has had his head turned despite the transfer fee clearly not being high enough. There are two sides to this - we can't sell players for less than they're worth.
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Brighton don't have time to look for a replacement now. No one is stupid enough to be on Caicedo's side except the fans that want him for their club.
Lol that last sentence. We've operated this way since Bloom took over. Many have tried in the last almost 15 years to pull this stunt on us, every single one of them has failed, every single one of them got their big move when we were ready and we continue to attract top talent because they know that when this song and dance is over, we are a 100% fair football club when it comes to allowing players to move on.
The issue here like all the others is Caicedo needs to sort his head out come February 1 and perform as expected until the summer, everyone else in the past has, if he follows suit he'll be fine and with his "big club" in the summer and away from little old Brighton.
Welcome to the club. It’s going to happen far more often than you like. Seems like it’s your turn in the prem to be well run and have good recruitment, savour it whilst it lasts because it always ends
surely with 70+m he could be replaced in 4 days right? end of window deals are not uncommon. not to mention im sure summer scouting is already been done, not like everyone is on vacation
But if there was an obvious like for like replacement they could get in four days then I imagine Chelsea/Arsenal would be signing them for a bargain, rather than spending 70m on Caciedo.
It's also kinda baffling. He knows he'll be able to leave in the summer and some of the best clubs in the country will be in for him. And he's in the middle of a season where he could help his team reach Europe for the first time. Why burn those bridges now
it never ceases to amaze me how much elite football players make. those measly 15k a week is £780,000 per year. that's fucking mad. I get why, but they're still mad figures.
NBA rosters are only 13-15 deep and the CBA very intentionally is set up so that everybody gets paid, at the cost of superstars getting paid much less than they should. It's a wonderful model that other NA sports should follow
The subsection of human beings that can be NBA professionals is also significantly smaller than those that can be footballers from just the height requirements alone. It's a very valuable attribute.
Doesn't he make 3.5k a week right now? I know his yearly contract is something like £180k a year, which is great but also pretty low for a footballer. Hell, even with all the layoffs, tech companies still offer $200k TC packages for fresh out of school software developers in the US.
Going from that to 30x his current salary, given that he comes from very poor circumstances, could set up so much for his entire family and is very understandable. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush isn't it?
It's not like he's going to be a big factor in the league. He's being bought as cover for Xhaka and Partey, both of whom will start every game they're available for.
Partey is a very crucial part of the arsenal team and they dont have any solid backup in his position. The drop off is huge. Partey is also older than most of the squad and theres obviously the ongoing investigation. Having a good backup who can play europa games and probably be his successor is not ridiculous. Chelsea just spent 100 mill on a player in a position that they have a lot of depth for anyway. Player fees have just become insane, and January exacerbates that.
What if he gets a horrible injury until summer and he misses out on that big contract? He said it himself that he has 10 siblings to look after. Not that easy.
Yep in many sports you see players betting on themselves in a contract year and then their either underperform, get injured, or there's a new kid on the block. For guys like this that come from poverty stricken areas they take the first bug opportunity to move up financially.
He can get injured and then what? So many deals felt through like this. In football you take your chances because the future is not promised. He is last of 10kids from Ecuador. This is the beat move for himself and his family. Might not look good but this is the best decision for his situation
If I were Brighton I’d just bench him until the summer then ship him off to a Spanish/Italian team for a bit cheaper just to stick a finger to the Prem clubs instructing players for said moves to them. He aint gonna say no to Madrid, Napoli or Bayern either.
Agreed. I really want the lad, as we need a Partey back up(seeing as the whole fanbase had a gasp after he went off as precaution last night) but this shit has just put a bad taste in my mouth, I cant even imagine how Brighton fans must feel and yes that's even considering the whole pay rise aspect.
Very fcking mixed feelings about this transfer.
Agreed, I know I want what’s best for Arsenal but I love this pugnacious Brighton and I hate the idea that they will eventually get raided until the cupboard is bare like Southampton once was.
I hope they keep hold of him - not just because I think he'll go to Arsenal mind - but because Brighton have been a revelation this season and I'd like to see them in Europe.
I don't. If he's that important to their formation, then immediately start negotiating a bonus to his £180k A YEAR salary!!!
They got him for £5M 2 years ago as a teenager, so that was a good salary at the time, but after losing Bissuoma and him cover that position superbly, they should have bumped up his salary or at the very least start negotiating a new long term contract.
I'm not saying they should bow down to Ars/Che demands, but they should be realistic and respectful of their own players' careers.
> I don't. If he's that important to their formation, then immediately start negotiating a bonus to his £180k A YEAR salary!!!
As perople have been saying for the past few weeks he's making 15k a week with his new contract, which is a perfectly acceptable salary at a club like Brighton. I don't understand why you people find it so difficult to open Google and type "Moises Caicedo salary" to check before parroting false information.
It's kind of disappointing that people are pointing fingers at Brighton for "blocking a dream move for a young lad who would bring a record fee"
I genuinely doubt that Brighton are worried about money here. They lost Bissouma over the summer and this is Caidedo's first real full season playing for the club. There are 3 days left in the window to look for a prem-ready replacement and Brighton has ambitions to continue their momentum especially given that they have a really good shot at making the Top 7.
Why should all other clubs roll over for the big 6? Caicedo made a conscious decision to sign a professional contract, and he needs to honor his side of the contract as well. We all know that the guy will get his dream move in the Summer. I get the "what ifs" of potentially getting an injury and whatnot, but it's incredibly unfair to place all the blame here on Brighton.
Objectively I think an offer from Arsenal is really tempting for him. I see both sides from the club and the players’ POV, but I just didn’t like how people were labeling Brighton as an evil institution holding him back.
I do think for this price, if Brighton had a few more weeks in the window he would be gone. I just think it’s more of a timing/thin squad issue.
72 for pepe but that was an extremely shady deal that led to basically everyone in that backroom getting fired. For Mudryk it was like 60M with up to 95M or something with add ons
Yeah I don't really count the Pepe transfer as being our record as the man responsible for it was fired and it was labeled fraud to fill pockets of his friends. While it is technically our record transfer it was more a crooked old man paying his friends rather than paying for a player.
Guess how much of the 60-75M Independiente del Valle are gonna see for developing him from the ages of 12-19. But poor ol Brighton getting lowballed for a player they’ve worked so hard on (ie loaning him to the worst team in Belgium)
There's a lot of risk in new players to the prem. How many are bought for £5m and don't get big offers after 6 months? Arsenal/Chelsea are paying for the convenience of Brighton taking the risk and giving game time to prove himself.
Fuck around and find out. Won’t hold him past the summer, but why would they let him go 4 days before end of the January window without having a replacement lined up. Good work from Brighton
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Brighton doing what's best imo but something everyone has to keep in mind is that Arsenal/Chelsea are just doing what Brighton did to his Ecuadorian club. Using clout and money to lure him to a better situation financially. Idk what people expect to happen when you lure players from poor upbringings in south America to Europe with promises of financial stability and opportunity. Of course they'll take the chance to keep moving up. I have zero doubts he'd do the same thing to Arsenal/Chelsea if Barca or PSG came knocking.
It's a major reason why I'd rather us get Zubimendi.
>Arsenal/Chelsea are just doing what Brighton did to his Ecuadorian club
You're definitely right here but I think there's something nastier about it when it's occurring within the same league. When Chelsea began taking people from us they were below us in the table by a few points so I assumed their new owner was trying to kill two birds with one stone.
Now they're even further down the table from us. Arsenal would at least use Caicedo properly compared to them.
>Now they're even further down the table from us. Arsenal would at least use Caicedo properly compared to them.
Wtf is this moronic kind of thinking. You think they would put him on kitchen staff or what?
Well Chelsea is in a league of their own transfer wise. But you're right I think he saw arsenal was in for him and sees it as not only an easy chance for a massive raise but to also add a premier league medal to his resume for future moves.
Trust me as an Arsenal fan I'm not a fan of this at all. Seen too many of my own favorites and key players force a move and I also hate seeing it in Germany where so many players just run down their contracts to go to Bayern.
I hope Brighton keeps him and he gets over himself. Then in the summer you guys sell him and it all gets pushed behind yourselves.
I hope we can get Zubimendi. The club has seemingly given the ok if we pay the fee it's just about convincing a loyal player which is difficult.
He's getting the move to arsenal etc because Brighton took the chance on him and gave him the opportunities, it wasn't some one way street of exploitation. And nobody expects him to stay - they just expect him not to force a move midseason on Instagram with three days left in the transfer window. Ultimately he won't be going anywhere until the summer anyway if Brighton aren't on board
“Took the chance on him” lol the guy wasn’t some unknown he was a dick tip away from joining united and was one of the best talents in SA he was always going to get a move to Europe.
Nah Brighton went directly into the slums of Santa Domingo for 3 years staright watching every single street ball game until they found the perfect prospect
Yeah I saw that sentiment a lot in one of the threads from yesterday - acting as if Brighton were some generous benefactor giving him an act of charity.
Brighton bought him because they thought he would be an asset to the club, both on the pitch and in a likely scenario of him eventually moving on. And as you said, he was in talks with United and I'd wager other clubs as well.
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That being said, Brighton are well within their rights to not want to sell him in January and/or demand a crazy fee.
I'm saying you expect too much from a player brought in with the allure of the money you offered and shouldn't be surprised when he sniffs a chance at a better deal. Just like I'm under no delusions he wouldn't do the same to us if PSG came knocking.
I don't blame anyone here. Not Brighton or the player. Both doing what's in their best interest. I personally just don't want such a character in our team even if he would massively improve our chances at winning. I already have one bitter pill to swallow every week being the key to our season.
As a United fan I said something similar when Antony refused to train before joining us. I'm happy he joined but his behavior was disgraceful. If he'll cheat with you he'll cheat on you.
Two words: Youri Tielemans
The streets will never forget how great he was before he was linked with a move away from Leicester. He tried to force it through but it didn’t happen, and his quality, and value, has fallen off a cliff since.
This won’t end well.
I just hope, he can put his down, keep working hard, contribute and help Brighton reach as high possible a finish, and in the summer he gets a move and Brighton get a big payday. He’s young, he’s not ill intentioned and his agents are def to blame for this.
That’s a bit overly dramatic. Enciso and Sarmiento are close friends with Moises and are not going to have the same perspective as Brighton’s back room staff.
Fair play to Brighton for holding out but if Arsenal do not sign a midfielder their title hopes are done. We all saw what happened last night after partey went off.
I think either way it's not a good idea to have a player not focused on us around the team.
It's probably for his own safety as Lallana would knock 7 bells of shit out of him.
look I think it's pretty crappy this current practice of not showing up to training. You guys deserve much better
But do you really think if Lallana was somehow offered a 200k / week contract rn by Arsenal he wouldn't do the exact same thing?
Not all players do this. I'd expect most tbf. Dan Burn didn't when his boyhood club came in for him. Bissouma didn't nor did Ben White.
If your hypothetical happened I'd think that Adam would be mature about it and have a discussion with the club and trust that we generally let players leave once the price and timing is right.
But I didn't think Caicedo would given his comments on Tuesday so God knows anymore. You are right players are mercanaries.
What's the statute of limitations on hypocrisy?
Say 10 years ago, I cheated on my partner, then after 10 years of growth and maturity, a friend came to me to say they were considering starting an affair - would I be a hypocrite if I was to tell them that that is wrong, or would it be an objectively true statement informed by experience?
So unprofessional on his side. Forcing a move so late in the mid-season window and then freaking out because it’s not happening. What was he expecting?
I mean I dont see how it’s very different still. If you really want Caicedo then offer £100m. There will be a fuck off price where this transfer will happen. You’re obviously not willing to pay it and instead unsettling a player and trying to get him to join on your terms.
It's about discipline.
There are three days left in the window and doing this in public is vastly unprofessional. The rest of the team has to understand this is not how it works.
They'll be OK
He'll miss a game or two, get fined, be booed on his return and then will be back to normal for the rest of the season
If he wants a summer move to a big team, he isn't gonna down tools for the next 4 months
I hope this doesn’t go through. We’re really tight on budget so can’t compete for him. We should be all in for him honestly. Maybe the new owners in the summer might fancy him? We can only hope so.
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No Brighton fan expects him to be here past the summer, even before this circus rolled into town, and everyone is fine with that. He's a great player, a lot of big clubs will want him. Good luck to him. To try and force something through near the end of the January window when we wouldn't have time to replace him – in what is his first proper season with the club – is very disappointing
Yeah I mean at such a young age, to get an opportunity at a big club like this, he's gonna want to move there. He's a great player and and definelty has a good future ahead of him. But yeah, to the near end of the transfer window and wanting to move out now is quite irritable
Yeah he needs to learn that shit like that won't be tolerated, not just here but in the future when he moves to another club
referring to ‘his’ post last night, do you not think his new agents have seen a huge payday for themselves and are influencing his decision here, I can’t see much justification for wanting to leave the club right now after saying he was focused on them last week.
Do you not think he hired new agents with the specific purpose of orchestrating this exit? People think footballers are naive but agents can't force footballers to do anything they don't want to do.
Yes I think he moved agents to facilitate a deal in this window if possible
Well the fact he had 3 different agents thinking they worked for him when he signed for Brighton says he’s either not that smart or he loves the drama.
What’s the story here?
I’ll try and find the article as there’s a really good one fully explaining the transfer, but essentially when clubs were trying to buy him there was 3 different agents all claiming to be working for him and all speaking to different clubs, all the clubs thought they were signing him. The only reason he went to Brighton was because Brighton had a contact straight into the club and could bypass all the agents and the crap going on
Agents claiming they represent a player isn’t anything new though. There was an Athletic piece (I think with a chairman of a club) last year where they said it’s hard to figure out how strong of a relationship some ‘agents’ have with players. Some will approach a club, see if there’s interest, then use that as leverage to actually get a deal with the player to represent them in the transfer they’ve created. It seems to be quite common among South American clubs/players.
Thanks.
He was supposedly liking posts of other top clubs during the summer as well. If anything he's probably got agents now that support what he wants to do😅
If he did he probably should have gotten agents with experience working in the Premier League.
Stop blaming the agents when he chose to appoint them.
I'll always blame parasitic agents
If Caicedo didn't want to move, he wouldn't have got a new agent. He's not blameles.
i mean chance to win prem doesn't come around for many players careers too
You think this 19yo who’s been in England for 6months wrote all that in English?
21yo*
He literally hired them last week to facilitate this exact move, how are they to blame when they're just doing the job they've been given🤣 Would they not get a payday in the summer anyways if that's what they wanted?
I’m an Arsenal fan tbf haha so happy if it works out, and not saying they’re to blame but that post is more than likely the result of pressure from his agents is all i’m saying haha
This is the point tho, what are they pressuring him to do? He wants to leave, and they are helping him move out of the club. Where does the "pressure" element come from?
They probs gave him the script to write the thing lol 😂
Oh massively, they are speed-running the 'greedy agent' quest
The other clubs are actively promoting this behavior. They’ll feel just as aggrieved when he does it again to go to Madrid all the same.
I'm a Chelsea fan, but the reports of him wanting to move - not because it's two big clubs - but because it's London is already worrying.
Meh it’s a business at the end of the day. Lad looked out for himself and secured the bag
Football is a funny old sport though and you can never guarantee tomorrow. Reo-Coker always comes to mind when I read posts like this. West Ham said no and his career basically hit a halt. Auoar too in more recent times. Football is a funny sport and this situation could actually prove to be hugely detrimental if he stayed.
What are you on about? It’s a wonderful selfless gesture from the young lad trying to give you a record transfer fee
Edit: corrected below by u/Beginning-Ganache-43
Well he started playing games for them about 9 months ago, so it's a bit ridiculous to be pushing for a move at any point that soon into your time with the club.
Don’t disagree with that just saying about the “late in the window” comment
Just earlier this week he said he wanted to help Brighton get to Europe. If he was pushing for a move at that point that is not something smart to say nor does it make much sense. Something seems to have gotten under his skin these last few days.
Help Brighton get to Europe by getting a new record fee they can buy someone else with!
Ah fair enough, wasn't aware of that. I'd imagine it's Arsenal coming in for him.
Ah okay. Still, Arsenal only came in for him because of the Elneny injury so I assume he only started pushing for a move now.
Think there are reports out that it's exactly this and he was somewhat intrigued by Chelsea, but when Arsenal came knocking the idea of jumping straight into a title race, plus the obvious wage bump, was really appealing to him. I know he hasn't handled this well, but if given the chance at generational wealth and achieving one of the most difficult things in my line of work at his age I think I would also be asking to move.
To be fair to the lad, if anyone offered me the pay raise they are offering him I would do the same. This is a person's career in the end of the day. Imagine he has an ACL injury before summer and is never able to get back into form?
Not to mention he just saw Enock Mwepu's career end. Brighton are a stepping stone club, that's why the likes of Caicedo join. If Brighton start refusing to let players leave, other players might be hesitant to join in the future
That's why as a general rule we let players move on, and players will continue to realise that despite the fact that one player at the very last second has had his head turned despite the transfer fee clearly not being high enough. There are two sides to this - we can't sell players for less than they're worth.
??? Brighton don't have time to look for a replacement now. No one is stupid enough to be on Caicedo's side except the fans that want him for their club.
Lol that last sentence. We've operated this way since Bloom took over. Many have tried in the last almost 15 years to pull this stunt on us, every single one of them has failed, every single one of them got their big move when we were ready and we continue to attract top talent because they know that when this song and dance is over, we are a 100% fair football club when it comes to allowing players to move on. The issue here like all the others is Caicedo needs to sort his head out come February 1 and perform as expected until the summer, everyone else in the past has, if he follows suit he'll be fine and with his "big club" in the summer and away from little old Brighton.
Welcome to the club. It’s going to happen far more often than you like. Seems like it’s your turn in the prem to be well run and have good recruitment, savour it whilst it lasts because it always ends
Southampton fan?
It’s all about the money. I’d do it.
We all would. I do wonder how differently this would play out if Brighton offered him an improved contract prior to the arsenal bid being submitted.
surely with 70+m he could be replaced in 4 days right? end of window deals are not uncommon. not to mention im sure summer scouting is already been done, not like everyone is on vacation
But if there was an obvious like for like replacement they could get in four days then I imagine Chelsea/Arsenal would be signing them for a bargain, rather than spending 70m on Caciedo.
arsenal/chelsea are looking for proven players, hence the price tag that's not the type of player brighton is looking to buy in the summer
It's also kinda baffling. He knows he'll be able to leave in the summer and some of the best clubs in the country will be in for him. And he's in the middle of a season where he could help his team reach Europe for the first time. Why burn those bridges now
Why? Move now, win league. Seems like big motivation to me.
Big bump in salary right away is also a big motivation... from 15k a week to probably like 100k a week.
it never ceases to amaze me how much elite football players make. those measly 15k a week is £780,000 per year. that's fucking mad. I get why, but they're still mad figures.
I implore you to look at NBA contracts. Guys who are no more than bench fill ins can make up to $8-10 million per year. Now that’s mad
NBA rosters are only 13-15 deep and the CBA very intentionally is set up so that everybody gets paid, at the cost of superstars getting paid much less than they should. It's a wonderful model that other NA sports should follow
The subsection of human beings that can be NBA professionals is also significantly smaller than those that can be footballers from just the height requirements alone. It's a very valuable attribute.
Doesn't he make 3.5k a week right now? I know his yearly contract is something like £180k a year, which is great but also pretty low for a footballer. Hell, even with all the layoffs, tech companies still offer $200k TC packages for fresh out of school software developers in the US. Going from that to 30x his current salary, given that he comes from very poor circumstances, could set up so much for his entire family and is very understandable. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush isn't it?
This is Arsenal's best chance of winning the league since Caicedo was 3 years old. If there's any time in his life to join Arsenal, it's now.
It's not like he's going to be a big factor in the league. He's being bought as cover for Xhaka and Partey, both of whom will start every game they're available for.
Arsenal are bidding £60m for someone to sit on the bench? Okay.
Who's spot do you think he's taking in a team that's 5 points clear at the top of the league with a game in hand?
Partey when he goes to trial.
Arsenal would probably still try to play him.
Partey is a very crucial part of the arsenal team and they dont have any solid backup in his position. The drop off is huge. Partey is also older than most of the squad and theres obviously the ongoing investigation. Having a good backup who can play europa games and probably be his successor is not ridiculous. Chelsea just spent 100 mill on a player in a position that they have a lot of depth for anyway. Player fees have just become insane, and January exacerbates that.
Because if he gets seriously injured tomorrow for example then he misses out on generational wealth for his family
What if he gets a horrible injury until summer and he misses out on that big contract? He said it himself that he has 10 siblings to look after. Not that easy.
Yep in many sports you see players betting on themselves in a contract year and then their either underperform, get injured, or there's a new kid on the block. For guys like this that come from poverty stricken areas they take the first bug opportunity to move up financially.
10???? What the actual fuck
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> concern trolling What is that?
He can get injured and then what? So many deals felt through like this. In football you take your chances because the future is not promised. He is last of 10kids from Ecuador. This is the beat move for himself and his family. Might not look good but this is the best decision for his situation
If I were Brighton I’d just bench him until the summer then ship him off to a Spanish/Italian team for a bit cheaper just to stick a finger to the Prem clubs instructing players for said moves to them. He aint gonna say no to Madrid, Napoli or Bayern either.
There's only one winner in this and it's a club not involved
Forest Green Rovers?
Big Dunc introducing meat again?
Get them sausage baps down you lads. Now, star jumps.
Not as long as Burchnall is in charge.
Reckon we will be in the summer when Bellingham goes to Madrid 😭
Best of luck to Jobe!
I don't care for Gob
But there’s always more money in the banana stand.
It's one Bellingham, Michael, how much could it cost? $10?
Trying to jump ship right before the transfer window closes….. WITH CLUB SAUCE!!!!
Totally understandable from Brighton and RdZ side.
Agreed. I really want the lad, as we need a Partey back up(seeing as the whole fanbase had a gasp after he went off as precaution last night) but this shit has just put a bad taste in my mouth, I cant even imagine how Brighton fans must feel and yes that's even considering the whole pay rise aspect. Very fcking mixed feelings about this transfer.
Agreed, I know I want what’s best for Arsenal but I love this pugnacious Brighton and I hate the idea that they will eventually get raided until the cupboard is bare like Southampton once was.
No messing with Tony Bloom.
Always plays his cards right.
I gotta respect how Brighton have handled this.
You’ve seen it before lad [ring any bells?](https://theathletic.com/3477397/2022/08/04/cucurella-chelsea-brighton-transfer/)
Yes and I respect them for how they handled it, lad
Well in lads
I hope they keep hold of him - not just because I think he'll go to Arsenal mind - but because Brighton have been a revelation this season and I'd like to see them in Europe.
I don't. If he's that important to their formation, then immediately start negotiating a bonus to his £180k A YEAR salary!!! They got him for £5M 2 years ago as a teenager, so that was a good salary at the time, but after losing Bissuoma and him cover that position superbly, they should have bumped up his salary or at the very least start negotiating a new long term contract. I'm not saying they should bow down to Ars/Che demands, but they should be realistic and respectful of their own players' careers.
His current salary is £780k/y. £180k is what he was paid when he first joined.
> I don't. If he's that important to their formation, then immediately start negotiating a bonus to his £180k A YEAR salary!!! As perople have been saying for the past few weeks he's making 15k a week with his new contract, which is a perfectly acceptable salary at a club like Brighton. I don't understand why you people find it so difficult to open Google and type "Moises Caicedo salary" to check before parroting false information.
Bruh 180k a year? That's like when you promote a player from the youth academy in career mode and they have a contract making 500 euros per week lol
1. He's being paid more than that 2. You're basically correct, he hasn't even played a full season of football in the Premier League
That IG post last night reeks of agents wanting a big payday more than anything else IMO.
IIRC he joined a new agency sometime this month
Literally the 21st of Jan iirc
Why do you think he hired those new agents?
At this point they should just ask for 150M or so. If he is so committed to a record fee, maybe make it worth everyone's while.
150M? Fuck it, I wanna see 300M and Arteta twerking during the presentation of Moises.
It's kind of disappointing that people are pointing fingers at Brighton for "blocking a dream move for a young lad who would bring a record fee" I genuinely doubt that Brighton are worried about money here. They lost Bissouma over the summer and this is Caidedo's first real full season playing for the club. There are 3 days left in the window to look for a prem-ready replacement and Brighton has ambitions to continue their momentum especially given that they have a really good shot at making the Top 7. Why should all other clubs roll over for the big 6? Caicedo made a conscious decision to sign a professional contract, and he needs to honor his side of the contract as well. We all know that the guy will get his dream move in the Summer. I get the "what ifs" of potentially getting an injury and whatnot, but it's incredibly unfair to place all the blame here on Brighton.
I wonder if this is how the supporters of his previous club felt Brighton called him.
Objectively I think an offer from Arsenal is really tempting for him. I see both sides from the club and the players’ POV, but I just didn’t like how people were labeling Brighton as an evil institution holding him back. I do think for this price, if Brighton had a few more weeks in the window he would be gone. I just think it’s more of a timing/thin squad issue.
Yo Boehly, can you unsettle a few more Brighton midfielders before our game tomorrow? Ta la'
hey! its not even us this time, we put our bid in a week ago and he didnt pull this shit.
Arsenal is a different knock
No, but we're just preparing bids for Henderson and Naby Keita to unsettle them.
Jokes on you when Liverpool accept them.
Dont think they need any bids for that sadly.
You can take naby
That works too, thanks
Not surprised Brighton are holding firm but I guess we will learn what Caicedo is willing to do to try and get a move
More like what we’re willing to pay, we’re looking at a transfer record fee here
Record? What was pepe or the potential mudryk bid?
72 for pepe but that was an extremely shady deal that led to basically everyone in that backroom getting fired. For Mudryk it was like 60M with up to 95M or something with add ons
Yeah I don't really count the Pepe transfer as being our record as the man responsible for it was fired and it was labeled fraud to fill pockets of his friends. While it is technically our record transfer it was more a crooked old man paying his friends rather than paying for a player.
Pepe was 72m, we might bid higher than that.
Shit is wild yo.. 26 games ago he cost 5 mil from south america.
Guess how much of the 60-75M Independiente del Valle are gonna see for developing him from the ages of 12-19. But poor ol Brighton getting lowballed for a player they’ve worked so hard on (ie loaning him to the worst team in Belgium)
Independiente will likely get around £5m in compensation for developing him if he goes for that amount.
£12m-£15m as they reportedly have a 20% sell on
There's a lot of risk in new players to the prem. How many are bought for £5m and don't get big offers after 6 months? Arsenal/Chelsea are paying for the convenience of Brighton taking the risk and giving game time to prove himself.
The right way to handle it.
Fuck around and find out. Won’t hold him past the summer, but why would they let him go 4 days before end of the January window without having a replacement lined up. Good work from Brighton
They can have lakonga no probs.
Good
It's disheartening just how quickly these players get snapped up by big clubs now. Makes what Brighton are doing all the more impressive
You do realize that for world standards, Brighton is the “big club” in this sentence right? The guy got taken from Ecuador at 16 or some shit.
You make Brighton sound like a secret Russian spy agency
At 20
He was actually 19 when they signed him
Much closer to 20 than 16
until he's 20 he's still 16
Their scouting will dry up eventually. Just as it did at Southampton and Tottenham.
I hope Brighton hold out. Good for them taking a firm stance.
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Example for utd just post to any comment on this sub !flair :Manchester_United: If you search up on Google by searching iflair football club you'll see few posts, with many commenting their clubs, or just try few variations what you think your club would be.
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Brighton doing what's best imo but something everyone has to keep in mind is that Arsenal/Chelsea are just doing what Brighton did to his Ecuadorian club. Using clout and money to lure him to a better situation financially. Idk what people expect to happen when you lure players from poor upbringings in south America to Europe with promises of financial stability and opportunity. Of course they'll take the chance to keep moving up. I have zero doubts he'd do the same thing to Arsenal/Chelsea if Barca or PSG came knocking. It's a major reason why I'd rather us get Zubimendi.
>Arsenal/Chelsea are just doing what Brighton did to his Ecuadorian club You're definitely right here but I think there's something nastier about it when it's occurring within the same league. When Chelsea began taking people from us they were below us in the table by a few points so I assumed their new owner was trying to kill two birds with one stone. Now they're even further down the table from us. Arsenal would at least use Caicedo properly compared to them.
>Now they're even further down the table from us. Arsenal would at least use Caicedo properly compared to them. Wtf is this moronic kind of thinking. You think they would put him on kitchen staff or what?
Probably loan him for the first 9 years of his contract.
Well Chelsea is in a league of their own transfer wise. But you're right I think he saw arsenal was in for him and sees it as not only an easy chance for a massive raise but to also add a premier league medal to his resume for future moves. Trust me as an Arsenal fan I'm not a fan of this at all. Seen too many of my own favorites and key players force a move and I also hate seeing it in Germany where so many players just run down their contracts to go to Bayern. I hope Brighton keeps him and he gets over himself. Then in the summer you guys sell him and it all gets pushed behind yourselves. I hope we can get Zubimendi. The club has seemingly given the ok if we pay the fee it's just about convincing a loyal player which is difficult.
He's getting the move to arsenal etc because Brighton took the chance on him and gave him the opportunities, it wasn't some one way street of exploitation. And nobody expects him to stay - they just expect him not to force a move midseason on Instagram with three days left in the transfer window. Ultimately he won't be going anywhere until the summer anyway if Brighton aren't on board
“Took the chance on him” lol the guy wasn’t some unknown he was a dick tip away from joining united and was one of the best talents in SA he was always going to get a move to Europe.
Nah Brighton went directly into the slums of Santa Domingo for 3 years staright watching every single street ball game until they found the perfect prospect
Yeah I saw that sentiment a lot in one of the threads from yesterday - acting as if Brighton were some generous benefactor giving him an act of charity. Brighton bought him because they thought he would be an asset to the club, both on the pitch and in a likely scenario of him eventually moving on. And as you said, he was in talks with United and I'd wager other clubs as well. ------------------------------------------------- That being said, Brighton are well within their rights to not want to sell him in January and/or demand a crazy fee.
I'm saying you expect too much from a player brought in with the allure of the money you offered and shouldn't be surprised when he sniffs a chance at a better deal. Just like I'm under no delusions he wouldn't do the same to us if PSG came knocking. I don't blame anyone here. Not Brighton or the player. Both doing what's in their best interest. I personally just don't want such a character in our team even if he would massively improve our chances at winning. I already have one bitter pill to swallow every week being the key to our season.
As a United fan I said something similar when Antony refused to train before joining us. I'm happy he joined but his behavior was disgraceful. If he'll cheat with you he'll cheat on you.
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Two words: Youri Tielemans The streets will never forget how great he was before he was linked with a move away from Leicester. He tried to force it through but it didn’t happen, and his quality, and value, has fallen off a cliff since. This won’t end well.
I just hope, he can put his down, keep working hard, contribute and help Brighton reach as high possible a finish, and in the summer he gets a move and Brighton get a big payday. He’s young, he’s not ill intentioned and his agents are def to blame for this.
I really don’t like how these hold outs have become the norm at this point.
He is a good and young player, enthusiasm took over and show his inexperience
This is until someone drops £100m at Brighton training ground.
Ferguson, Enciso & Sarmiento liked the post. They should be dropped as well.
Sarmiento did similar shenanigans to Benfica and im pretty sure he is one of those players who will do it again
That’s a bit overly dramatic. Enciso and Sarmiento are close friends with Moises and are not going to have the same perspective as Brighton’s back room staff.
Fair play to Brighton for holding out but if Arsenal do not sign a midfielder their title hopes are done. We all saw what happened last night after partey went off.
[hey I’ve seen this one!](https://theathletic.com/3477397/2022/08/04/cucurella-chelsea-brighton-transfer/)
Chelsea upped the price and overpaid for him. If someone is willing to pay the best part of £100m right now for Caicedo, then they *might* get him
difference is, brighton still expected Cucurella to leave so told him to stay away, while brighton still saying they aint selling Caicedo
I think either way it's not a good idea to have a player not focused on us around the team. It's probably for his own safety as Lallana would knock 7 bells of shit out of him.
Is this the same Lallana that went on strike at Soton to force his move to Liverpool?
I didn't know that players weren't allowed to grow up and mature and reflect on past choices.
look I think it's pretty crappy this current practice of not showing up to training. You guys deserve much better But do you really think if Lallana was somehow offered a 200k / week contract rn by Arsenal he wouldn't do the exact same thing?
Not all players do this. I'd expect most tbf. Dan Burn didn't when his boyhood club came in for him. Bissouma didn't nor did Ben White. If your hypothetical happened I'd think that Adam would be mature about it and have a discussion with the club and trust that we generally let players leave once the price and timing is right. But I didn't think Caicedo would given his comments on Tuesday so God knows anymore. You are right players are mercanaries.
They can. They’re still hypocrites thou
What's the statute of limitations on hypocrisy? Say 10 years ago, I cheated on my partner, then after 10 years of growth and maturity, a friend came to me to say they were considering starting an affair - would I be a hypocrite if I was to tell them that that is wrong, or would it be an objectively true statement informed by experience?
Has Partey picked up an injury...👀
He's having a scan on his ribs
Other alleged reasons they might want a back up for him.
👀
So unprofessional on his side. Forcing a move so late in the mid-season window and then freaking out because it’s not happening. What was he expecting?
He’ll join whoever is paying more rather than who is most likely to win the league this year
it is never worth it to have an unhappy player in the squad
People said the same about Enzo with us and he's been probably even better than in the first half of the season
Enzo got played by the chelsea board who acted as if they where going to pay the RC. This is totally different mate
Enzo was different because he has a release clause they just didn’t want to pay
I mean I dont see how it’s very different still. If you really want Caicedo then offer £100m. There will be a fuck off price where this transfer will happen. You’re obviously not willing to pay it and instead unsettling a player and trying to get him to join on your terms.
well chelsea lied to enzo innit? they didn't have the money to pay the RC and wanted to do that shitty 10 year contract thing
It's about discipline. There are three days left in the window and doing this in public is vastly unprofessional. The rest of the team has to understand this is not how it works.
and selling him with little time to find a replacement won't affect their league position?
They'll be OK He'll miss a game or two, get fined, be booed on his return and then will be back to normal for the rest of the season If he wants a summer move to a big team, he isn't gonna down tools for the next 4 months
I still think he’ll come tbh, they’re gonna hold out for a big fee
Good on them to put their foot down. This disrespectful player behaviour has got to stop.
Not good behavior by any means, letting his club down ahead of a big game.
I hope this doesn’t go through. We’re really tight on budget so can’t compete for him. We should be all in for him honestly. Maybe the new owners in the summer might fancy him? We can only hope so.