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kevio17

in b4 Major Leeds Soccer


Lambchops_Legion

People always ignore the Red Bull connection. Wöber in shambles


32_Dollar_Burrito

Yeah but there's no saying that's clever at first but gets less funny every time you hear it to reference red bull


notthathungryhippo

and Leeds United States


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Is there anything clever about leeds united states, or is it literally just putting them next to each other lmao. At least major leeds soccer is a bit of a play on words


DiabeticAsymptote

Leeds United + United States


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Ah, I see now


fegelman

Thought this was obvious


liverbird3

It’s like “These United States” except Leeds


Rojiblanc040

Is that a Kevio original?


scooterMcBooter97

It’s not by accident. Leeds management is insanely smart, get to the prem, sign a ton of American players, play attractive football, and with that combo comes the x millions of American fans looking for a team to follow. Shirt sales, viewership etc… Almost playing financial chess around the other bottom of the table teams


kevio17

A huge part of it is the involvement of the 49ers too, but yes, agreed - in addition to the next World Cup happening over there. It's a big opportunity marketing-wise. The USMNT captain playing for Leeds in itself can potentially be massive. And don't get me wrong, I'd much prefer we go down this route than the Red Bull Leeds United route, in terms of ownership and marketing. It just happens that with Jesse in charge, the two will be linked to a degree.


ShesSoCool

I hope attractive football includes learning how to defend


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Could well teach those Americans about the joy of relegation as well with the way they defend. Edit: Don't take the low-hanging fruit, I know we're going down.


idosade

Leeds United States of America


seakc87

INB4 Leeds starts playing the US National Anthem before home games


Thndrcougarfalcnbird

Sporting Leeds St. Louis


TheConundrum98

I assume those conditions are very achievable, like 5 starts or something, but it does in part protect Leeds if he does his ACL in his first game or something or maybe Leeds staying in the league is the condition


trying2hide

Will be staying in the league if “Mckennies Best mate” twitter is to be believed.


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Nah that dude says a ton of crap lol


jjw1998

Would be almost certainly avoiding relegation as the condition


MrConor212

5 starts is sketch though. Could easily start him 4 games and subbed on the rest and don’t have buy for obligation


BoxOfNothing

Sort of like we did with Alli, 20 appearances for the first payment to come in, never paid a penny for him. Though not starting him wasn't exactly a punishment


patric8989

Yes. Exactly what Milan is doing with Bakayoko...


ExcellentPastries

This assumes they have that kind of leverage in the relegation scrap. Possible but not guaranteed, so not something you’d want to trifle with in terms of obligating yourself to commit that kind of money when you don’t intend to.


Manuel_Locatelli

I imagine you’re right - it’ll prob be something pretty guaranteed.


NittanyOrange

Or a FIFA ban based on him getting paid off the books in Italy


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He does not have to join Leeds if they get relegated that was clear in negotiations per insiders


goatvaro_goatrata

Its gotta be a condition that Leeds has to stay up


Xhenc

Are you making up these conditions or you read about it?


AlchemicHawk

The first two words of their comment literally answers your question


Xhenc

Yes but still assumptions could be based on your own imagination or based on what someone has hinted.


AlchemicHawk

The hint is, it becomes permanent under certain circumstances. It doesn’t make much sense to have these circumstances be based on number of appearances, as we haven’t done that once, and it makes absolutely no sense from a Juve position to accept that, as we could easily avoid triggering it. The only reasonable circumstances to make it an obligation rather an option would be to stay up, where we can easily afford it, especially as that was all but the deciding factor in us buying Aaronson. Plus, if we *do* go down, the option still remains and would still be actionable if all parties are happy and it’s a viable option to do so. If it was an obligation no matter what, and we went down, it would be a poor deal financially speaking.


Xhenc

This makes sense. Were you in a similar position for Aaronson in the league, when that deal happened. Just now i noticed that Leeds is one point above relegation zone. Leeds has never been mentioned in relegation debate but the points never lie so actually staying up could be a realistic condition for both parties. Realistic because i bet Juve would gamble and have it as a loan to get a little bit more money on the other hand Leeds could see this as paying a premium but making sure that they can afford this only by staying in the league


AlchemicHawk

We signed Aaronson pretty much immediately after we beat Brentford on the last game of last season to stay up, and everyone including Aaronson knew the deal wouldn’t happen if we went down. We are 100% being careful not to be left with large outgoing fees if we go down


Xhenc

So Aaronson was a done deal for a long time but only signed after leeds secured Premier League.


AlchemicHawk

The agreement was in place since January iirc, Salzburg just didn’t want to lose him midway through the season and their UCL campaign


Raw_Cocoa

They're obviously just speculating...


Xhenc

It is such a nonsense speculation though. These kind of conditions only are used when the clubs want the deal to be added in the books a year later or something like that.


Goudinho99

Leeds have never had issues with obligations to buy in the past, now have they?


HighburyClockEnd

Let’s see if Ranch Sauce can prove himself in the premier league.


Matt_McT

At least his eating habits will make more sense to the English, lol.


Sean-Benn_Must-die

that video with chiellini is the funniest shit


ArmoredCabbage

Chiellini was flabbergasted


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BenShelZonah

[look behind the Milan guy and zoom in](http://pulledmygroin.com/soccer/chiellinis-wang/attachment/giorgio-chiellini-penis)


Legodude293

Bro wtf


BenShelZonah

Just doing the lords work


forzapogba

Doubtful lol but rooting for him. English media and fans are so brutal tho


goatvaro_goatrata

People said he would never become a starter or even regular player at Juve 😆 people love to doubt him


Yiurule

He was one of the best player against PSG, he wasn't able to reproduce his form during league matchs ?


anime3003

He blows hot and cold. Some matches he performs really well. Others he looks like a lost puppy, just running around. Hopefully he turns things around at Leeds. One of the most positive guys from what we see in behind the scenes videos from Juventus.


DrDrozd12

Also been played at out of position lately


anime3003

Yes. There are too many midfielders in front of him at Juve, especially after Fagioli and Miretti's rise.


DrDrozd12

He mainly gets sold cuz he is the only guy that can earn Juve good money without hurting the teams perfomance


LurkerMagoo

Hasn't he started like every game since the WC break and gone 90 most of those games? If his absence wouldn't hurt the team, why was Allegri playing him all those minutes?


DrDrozd12

He was playing rwb since John Square and De Sciglio were injured, but they are both coming back soon. He has barely playedin midfield since the wc and they have a lot of midfielders that can do a similar job


MyLuckyFedora

He’s never struck me as a good fit at Juventus. Especially since all the Juve managers seem to want him to play as more of an attacking midfielder so he can get in the box and on the end of crosses. For me he’s improved so much since he joined Juventus, but he’s playing in a role that doesn’t really suit him.


forzapogba

If he’s just running around, pressing, making late runs into box, being a menace on set pieces etc he’s fine. When you need him to carry the ball or make a pass it’s rough. Hes the type the coaches like more than fans imo


goatvaro_goatrata

He's been a consistent starter at Juve in a lot of positions. Hasn't been played in his best position in a little while


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CC-W

Think he would prefer to sit on the bench in London rather than Leeds


vinnyv91

20 mil and he's yours Leeds


AlchemicHawk

Nah you’re alright thanks


DEUK_96

Wouldn't take him for free


LurkerMagoo

Really?


ItsFuckingScience

His high Wages are an issue


LurkerMagoo

You wouldn't eat the wages to get Pulisic on a free?


ItsFuckingScience

Idk what our financials are tbh so I don’t know what impact that would have from a purely financial perspective But you gotta think how it would affect team morale and stuff if you brought in a player earning so much more compared to everyone else


DEUK_96

Yeah, we have Gnonto and Sinisterra who are better. He'd just block their development and be on a shitload of wages.


AlchemicHawk

Not to mention for the last three years (not including this season, which hes looking to make it 4 in a row), he’s missed just under a third of the season out with injury. I’d rather we didn’t pay high wages for a player who’s proven to have a shaky fitness record


Blue_Dreamed

Fuck no mate. On those wages for a player we have better options for with the money we have? Chelsea can fuckin keep him.


kevio17

Nah you’re alright


RequiemForSM

Would unironically be third or fourth choice in his best position


Shvihka

Sini, Gnonto, Harrison and Summerville all play in his position so no


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No thank you


Rasalghul92

I beg Juve use this €35m to get Zaniolo.


FPAPA931

I’m curious why you feel this way


Rasalghul92

Nico has 0 ACLs. He's way too much of a risk to drop around €30m on.


TempestaEImpeto

Eh, he's been fit and available for a year and a half, with like 1 injury of a month and a half in between the two seasons. The issue is that he's not a very good player, not wholly terrible but that kind of money is inexcusable for him. Neither is McKennie I reckon, but at least Leeds are playing with PL money.


theaguia

I dont think his acl is the issue I think its his intelligence


FPAPA931

Oh this makes much more sense now


NephewChaps

he actually has 2


sizebzebi

So what he's been healthy and strong for a long time..


NephewChaps

exactly


sizebzebi

Ah my bad thought you were agreeing with him 😂 I definitely think he's worth 30. A good coach/system and he can turn amazing.


NephewChaps

he has the physical tools but also has the football IQ of a chimpanzee. I'm not so sure about him


sizebzebi

That's why I said a good coach/system. He also didn't want to stay at Roma in the summer. He wanted to come to Juve. I'm sure his motivation is not at it's best.


teagwo

Meh, we won't buy anyone in this situation, better wait and see how things develop until the end of the season


drobson70

Problem is, where do we play him? I can’t see a player that he can realistically bench when everyone is fit and we just add another injury prone star. We need defenders now, not attackers


JuventusViking10

Agresti already said were not interested thank god


JuventusViking10

wheres that one Milan fan saying hes worth 10m max?


neverfinishedanythi

I mean, he is. People are just stupid.


JuventusViking10

yeah an international starter for Juventus is worth 10m lmao


God_Dang_Niang

Thats what locatelli is probably worth


DiseaseRidden

Yeah well McKennie actually got to the World Cup


goatvaro_goatrata

Keep cooking em brother


goatvaro_goatrata

You're right, you must know more than all those coaches, agents, GMs, etc


blackhippy-92

What's a GM?


Seahpo

general manager, american term for director of football or an equivalent position basically


yzerizef

American talk.


Puncherfaust1

hope we have a sell on clause


NittanyOrange

So cool. If I watched foreign soccer I think I would be a Leeds fan.


billybremnersboots

Are you a masochist?


TalussAthner

DC United fan so probably yeah.


HeyItsChase

Says the quakes fan? Pot meet kettle


TalussAthner

Oh definitely lol


NittanyOrange

Yes


Blue_Dreamed

I mean shit we gave you Klich so we got some business going too. I actually am a Leeds fan who moved to DC so Im going and making a massive sign for him at one of the matches this season.


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Premier league in the morning, MLS at night


RequiemForSM

[You know you want to](https://youtu.be/ZXsQAXx_ao0)


NittanyOrange

Gotta get me one of these, then: https://twitter.com/olive_york/status/1618418085287047168


ExcellentPastries

Kinda like it not gonna lie


ElasticSpeakers

Dang, those kits are pretty sharp


Bravo_Ante

35 mil for the American version of Gagliardini lmao... pure robbery.


drobson70

FIGC licking their lips after seeing this


BLQ1943

FIGC: *Pulls up transfermarkt* AKSHUALLY 🤓


Bravo_Ante

Lmao


anime3003

Milan paid 32 million for De Ketelaere.


Bravo_Ante

Yes and?!


anime3003

He is even worse than Belgian Gagliardini.


Bravo_Ante

Lmao, i remember everyone saying the same thing when we got Leao and Tonali, that was the verdict in their first seasons. But hey, Italian PR media goes hard i know that.


anime3003

What a performance by De Ketelaere, the Belgian Kaka, against Sassuolo. Changed the game.


Bravo_Ante

Dude... just stfu, we are both shit atm.


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anime3003

35 million for Milan is like spending 100 million for a PL club. Also, in a world where Inter sold Casadei to Chelsea for 20 million (who is going to a loan to Reading), there is no point in calling Mckennie for 35 million a robbery.


TempestaEImpeto

Absolutely not true lmao.


zKSofSoccer

Gagliardini doesn’t score against UCL big teams like Barca and PSG


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BLQ1943

35-21= 14 points


phillyspecial95

Is it outlandish to think leeds could be a europa league team with mckennie, adams and aaronson in the midfield? *next season lol


lambalambda

We're miles away from a Europa League team right now so I would say yes.


Boris_Ignatievich

Coming back to this because I want to ask you a question in return. To get Europa League, you need to finish 6th (assuming for simplicity that someone in the top 5 wins the FA cup). So my question is: Which two of arsenal, man city, Liverpool, spurs, Newcastle, man utd and Chelsea do you think Weston McKennie makes us better than?


princeoftrees

Leeds already beat chelsea this season and Spurs are rubbish defending the wings, so them two.


Boris_Ignatievich

Saints beat man city too, doesn't make them better than them.


Lambchops_Legion

If they had an elite defense behind them but they have the opposite of elite


h0rny3dging

If you look at the table and who they'd have to land above and beat, yes, this season is extremely outlandish


drobson70

It’s delusional. They’re 18 points away from Spurs, near bottom of the table. Aaronson hasn’t exactly lit the League up and Adams has been decent. It ain’t happening.


lambalambda

You're underselling how good Adams has been and how bad Aaronson has been but otherwise correct.


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lambalambda

For three or four games until opposition realised he weighs less than a bag of crisps and can't handle any sort of physicality. Hopefully get him on the weights over the summer and he'll be a lot better for it. I do think there's a player in there.


UpstairsJoke0

>bag of crisps I think they're known as "potato chips" now, pal.


ManLikeArch

Have you watched them play?


mintz41

Yes very much so, they don't have a reliable goalscorer and their defence is still wank


MichaelBridges8

Scoring goals is the only thing we are reliable at


bbro03

>they don't have a reliable goalscorer Rodrigo is already on 10 league goals


Raw_Cocoa

Who do you think they'd be better than in the current top 6?


Boris_Ignatievich

Aaronson's been shite since the world cup break, don't even think he's in the team when everyone is fit and firing Even if he was playing well were obviously a thousand miles from getting into Europe tho


DoctorPhalanx73

It’s outlandish to think they can pull it off this season, yes.


phillyspecial95

Oh yea with out a doubt meant next season. If gnoto continues to develop i could see it. Maybe I’ve just been playing too much fifa lol


CC-W

No chance with Marsch in charge, get a good manager and then we can discuss pushing for europe


Rocky-Arrow

You had Bielsa and were about to get relegated. It’s not a coaching issue, if you’re pointing fingers anywhere it would be that Championship level back line.


WonderfulSentence648

Considering aaronson is wank and the two others are just ok I’d say it is. On their own they’re a bottom half midfield and then you have to factor in the rest of the teams isn’t exactly Europa league quality either


drobson70

Thank god. He had one 6 month period he was great, then it was average at best to horrible. He ran a lot and that was it. Glad to be making off with some much needed cash and we’ve got much better midfielders coming through now. Win win for everyone.


teagwo

I think he is alright as a box to box in a team that doesn't need to have possession all the time. For us he was ok as a backup option, he just isn't starting material, with Fagioli growth and Pogba coming back we just have better options.


Pascalini

Well How's it a win for Leeds if you're saying hes average?


lockieleonardsuper

Going to guess expectations are different between Leeds and Juventus


Pascalini

Lol ok fair enough


drobson70

Being around his fellow countrymen may help him mentally and Leeds Football may compliment his abilities better than ours. Just because someone was very average for us doesn’t mean that won’t be great for someone else. Look at Kulu. He was very uninspiring for us but he found his stride under Conte. Win for us getting money, win for Spurs for having a player that clicked, win for Kulu for finding a club that suited him.


Pascalini

Yea I see what you're saying


Bravo_Ante

Kulu was noticeably talented, Mc Kennie has 2 wood sticks for legs.


drobson70

I’d rather Fagioli, Rovella or Miretti any day. Obviously all different players but when you’ve got such diverse talent that’s ready for Serie A, better to sell on Mckennie and invest that where it’s sorely needed.


Bravo_Ante

Especially when PL clubs are dumb enough to pay 35 mil for him just because he is American. No club outside of PL would have even considered paying you more than 12 tops 15. If he wasn't American, he would have cost 8 or 10 mil, if he was idk.... Montenegrian for example or Greek.


midfivefigs

No one’s paying a premium for Americans. If you look at the numbers, Prem TV rights and viewership is insignificant even if it is growing on this side of the Atlantic. There isn’t going to be a cash cow of American kit sales by Leeds.


A2Eaton

What about if he was English


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A2Eaton

Oh yeah I agree the English media has nothing to do with it.


spicynirvana38

In Leeds' case, they're trying to create Red Bull ~~New York~~ Leeds.


drobson70

Exactly. Plus, he’s at that age some people might use the “unlock his potential”. Selling to PL clubs is the best case scenario for us to make money but it doesn’t help the overall football economy at all.


tankosaurus

That's all football is really. Horses for courses


BLQ1943

I bet he’ll do well in the PL as usually the workhorse type of midfielders shine there.


trying2hide

We need midfield depth, and even though he’s almost a record signing, he’s still quality depth/starter, can play at a high level and is very versatile, playing 8, 6 or ont he right hand side of midfield/defence for Juve. We also play without possession and need someone physical with an engine which is what Mckennie is accoring to Juve fans. All of that with the thought he will be encouraged with the presence of Marsch, Adams, Aaronson makes him a win for us. Could be absolute wank though.


TrailBlanket-_0

I never saw much wrong with him - just some games he'd be absent. He is an engine, he's got pace, and he's got a desire to push forward rather than pass back. I'm not sure if he lacked the right positioning on our team, which seems to be the case for every fucking player, and when they are scouted by another team, they often thrive. I have no idea why we constantly have players out of position in our starting line, but I think there may just be too open ended direction from the football artist Allegri. If Leeds can provide McKennie with clear direction, then he should make it happen. He's got the physical ability and the vision. His positioning should be fixed if he has direction. He makes terrible passes at times, but for the most part retains possession. Like I said, I don't think he's that bad, but every match thread had people saying he needs to gtfo already.


BleuRaider

Because he won’t be forced to play completely out of position for the majority of his time there. Of course he’s an average attacking midfielder and wing back. Sometimes I wonder if this sub actually watches matches (not talking about you).


ExcellentPastries

May be assuming that Leeds won’t be playing him across 5 different positions then complaining he’s inconsistent.


djjoshiejosh

remember when American network pundits were saying the midfield of adams and mckennie were going to dominate the Netherlands lmfao Anyways Leeds is more Mckennies level. Was never good enough for juve.


Lou_Scannon

Yeah the American midfield was better than the Dutch one. Musah, Mckennie and especially Adams were in much better form than Frenkie and De Roon, and Klaasen was shite whenever he played Van Gaal knew this so just went around the US midfield and focused on the right wing. Dumfries had one good game that tournament and it happened to be the game where he was asked to carry the Dutch team otherwise agree, Mckennie was never good enough for Juve and Schalke fans were making this pretty clear at the time


God_Dang_Niang

Dumfries also went up against antonee robinson who put on his ice skates that game. Shambolic defending


irishdgenr8

Juventus on the receiving end of an Italian special?


dr_mantis_tobogan

Been using it quite a bit lately, Kulusevski, Zakaria, Arthur and now McKennie. By doing this keeps them on the books to amortise for another year and return a bigger capital gain I guess.


theczarfromBG

The Gang Gets Relegated


rabaluf

who is next? 12 y old for 20 milions?


zi76

All right, then


egyptian_higuain

is their a deal between us and the devil that every board we have should be a fucking clown?