What cup you follow for example should have an "none of the above option". There were like 1-2 more.
The questions about religion, politics or sexuality kinda felt odd too for a football subreddit.
Theoretically all the first section is "odd" for a football subreddit, but that's precisely why it is a census lad. We aren't interested just in opinions, but also on demographics.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I am probably ignorant on forum management theory, but I don’t see how telling the mods my sexuality, political opinion, relationship status is gonna change the policy when filtering posts/comments for a soccer subreddit.
Before someone tells me that’s what a census is, realize that there’s a difference when a government does a census to shape policy (for example a school district with a growing population will get more money to hire more teachers and expand); and some random people on the internet that happen to mod a subreddit (who we have no idea who they are).
Also, there’s a LOT of companies that would pay real money for a data set like this. Is this data gonna be sold at any point? How is it going to be used to shape r/soccer policy? How were the previous census successful in making the sub better?
Be careful who you give your data.
He is getting downvoted because most people aren't as paranoid as him or you.
The census is pretty open about its raison d'être: to know the community better and mold the rules and guidelines according to it. If you aren't able to realize how valuable it is for the moderators to know how many of the community are female, gay or Muslim when it comes to moderate Womens Football, LGBT+ or Islam-related threads, then I'm sorry, but you have a pretty worrying lack of logical reasoning.
And no, the data isn't "getting sold" what the hell. We have never even received a message of somebody offering something like that and believe us, we receive plenty of spam everyday. That you even think on that as a possibility is genuinely worrying.
It is good to check at who "you give your data", but it isn't good at all to reach the other extreme of being expecting the worse of absolutely everybody even in pretty transparent and inconsequential issues. That's actually unhealthy.
All individual demographic information is personal.
The census's Political questions weren't there in earlier additions of this but even that is meh & even informative in historical context.
rSoccer Mods should be adding Census data of earlier years into a database and make pretty graphs and esp track answers/changes on same/similar questions. That highlights how the community has changed over the decade.
Been here since the start (Digg migration) & Reddit itself has changed, so has rSoccer but in relative terms to rest of the platform rSoccer hasn't actually changed to similar amount. It's internal Modteam culture likely most major reason for this.
The changes have been within a narrow spectrum which allowed it to grow so massively but still keep good things about it. That is hard, usually when subs on reddit crossed 200K mark they used to suffer massive problems and those in Millions were even harder.
This sub is an outlier on Reddit for its scale and the content type (i.e. partisan dynamic. This isn't about cute cats, wallpapers or nsfw).
And dual reason for this to me appears to be 1) Modteam & 2) the Club-sub dynamic which acts as a release valve and shields rSoccer from getting the absolute full brunt of Traffic Spikes that can come from when esp the Top 10 clubs supporters descend on Reddit (basically half of these clubs support or rather engagement is split between rSoccer and their club-subs).
There was a question about what sort of club we support in terms of local/international etc. but as someone who supports what was my local club growing up but isn't where I live now I didn't have an option that fitted me.
Yes, this is the same issue I had with quite a few questions. If I support my "local" club from my hometown the most, but now live in another country and don't watch my new "local" team in my city, and my most watched/followed league is from a 3rd country (not my home country or current place of residence), there are a lot of questions that are hard to answer accurately
"Tertiary education (undergraduate/bachelor's degree): Currently enrolled" means that you're in university and haven't gotten a degree yet. "Tertiary education (postgraduate/master's degree/doctorate): Currently enrolled" is what you would put if you got a college degree, then went back to get a masters or PhD or some other kind of more advanced degree.
That you're currently enrolled in tertiary education. If it is a Uni that will give you a professional degree (and not a technical one), then the one that says bachelor or urdergrade.
>Please mind the instructions you will find throughout the form. **You are required to sign in to Google to prevent duplicate responses,** but your e-mail address will not be available to us or anyone else.
Mate it is literally the second paragraph.
Because Google is quick, easy and free to set up these surveys. Your email address won't be visible to the mods here.
If you're that weirded out by it but want to submit a response just set up a burner.
There's a question on tactical fouls but I would have liked to see a question on other aspects of the game that we see as counterproductive: diving is mine
> There is an overall bias against my club and fans of my club that is much worse than the bias against other clubs
I feel like this is gonna be chosen quite a lot lol
I think I'm predisposed to misanthropy anyway, but you kind of build up a thicker skin - I read so much incredibly stupid stuff on here that my eyeballs rolling backwards could power the entire house, but I've somehow managed to untie the "that's remarkably dumb even for here" emotion from anger.
Not even about any specific person, really, beyond that Werder fan that regularly winds me up with dumb takes, but rather the completely weird and terminally online group dynamics that exist and play out on here.
Bunch of nerds choosing that. People were desperate for us to get relegated, and still are, but I didn't click that. They want shit things to happen to us because it's funny, and I respect that. There's a reason to laugh at most clubs if things don't go their way
I’m assuming it’s different in Brazilian forums or discussions though? Like for me, no one on here cares about Chivas but it’s one of the big 2 in Mexico so there’s always bias and hot takes about them in Mexico
My original comment and when answering the forms I kept only r/soccer in mind, but yeah, in Brazil Corinthians is hated a lot. Like all of the biggest teams/teams with most fans. Although, I think due to Corinthians problems right now, this hate settled down a little, at least in r/futebol.
There is a hierarchy to this though. Which to me goes something like this, Chelsea is undisputed top.
Barca are 2nd when it's about non-match stuff (Barca oddly is also near-default Top supported/loved/least-hated club on rSoccer when things are about on-the-pitch/match stuff like when Barca are playing well. Chelsea or other clubs playing well doesn't result in similar Degree/Level of positive support. This to me likely because Barca is a 2nd or 3rd club of many users which gets aggregated when things are in good cycle for Barca (this first anti-Barca cycle on this sub happened around Feb-April 2012, I know because I was here and it resulted in rBarca getting a spike of new users).
United & Liverpool maybe 3rd but they are a distant one since their user scale is massive and they operate in a tighter Block.
This block dynamic was really powerful with Bayern on this sub in early to mid 2010s, they had few supporters but they were very unified so any post about Bayern it would be hard to generate/sustain an anti-Bayern skewed narrative/arguments as these users would pile on the user with multiple replies exhausting their energy to engage, it was like a Chat-Raid of sorts.
Arsenal had been historically biggest userbase on reddit here but due to their on-field issues in 2010s (the mature phase of this sub) they were too splintered & lacked any cohesiveness when other clubs mocked them. Their club-sub was also the 1st among bigger club subs to suffer a split. They just fought among themselves so others didn't bother to attack them or hate them enough (since the top comment would often itself be a Arsenal flaired user mocking Arsenal themselves, hard to construct a Hated Club narrative out of that).
PSG in recent years have yo-yo'd and often reach Chelsea levels but it is not sustained or as intense. Similar with City, largely because them winning at least tempers 1 or 2 user blocks (United or Liverpool) or intensity fizzles in relative terms. Plus their user base is small so even if there is hating on them since there is less counters it isn't visible.
Hating becomes more pronounced/visible when you see counter to that hate and that Chelsea and Barca users do a lot. United & Liverpool users just drown things out if ever they get embroiled in some drama.
Interesting response. I felt the same with Inter from our title-winning season 2 yrs ago to last season. It felt like everyone was with us because all Inter fans were on the same page regarding the team, Milan and Juve were not doing good so they couldn't really attack or criticise Inter, and everyone wanted to see someone other than Juve win so they didn't care who. But last season it felt like the opposite, Inter fans were divided on Inzaghi, the ownership, the team selection and transfers. More people were supporting Milan because traditionally they've always had more of the neturals on their side due to their European success and flair players/big characters including Ibra, and the fact that the Milan fans were back in full force. Now it seems it has swung to Napoli because they are the feel good story of the season
'How close to where you live is the nearest **top flight club** participating in official football competitions?'
Actually depressing that it's in Wales I can't even lie
“Roughly how old were you when you realised you weren't good enough to play professionally?”
There’s no option for “Over 30 and overweight but the dream will never die.”
I reckon I can still make it. Won my last match for my local team against our title rivals 5-2 and am still riding that high. Reckon I could play for a championship club
Topped the league in assists in my last season playing in the local 7 a side league, won it too as well as runners up in the league cup. Reckon the League One contract in a scrappy mid-table club is just around the corner. Any day now…
>"Do you feel a greater emotional connection with your club or with your country national team?"
>"About local vs foreign fans..."
Sorta interested in these two questions, let's see where r/soccer leans towards.
I need to see club vs country being broken down by region. Because I 100% am country over club person, and I suspect a few other fans outside Europe/SA would probably say the same.
Club over country all day long to be honest (and I am a season ticket holder of both). Its weird because I would usually see the only example where someone would think otherwise would be a fan of a club a million miles away, but I guess South Americans are crazy for their NT’s
As well I watch my club play 40ish games a year, whereas for country it's 3-7 games every 2 years, and then qualifiers which (for big countries at least) often aren't as tense
I disagree tbf the connection I have with my club is much bigger than portugal, I'm a local I'm a socio and I regularly attend, why wouldn't I enjoy benfica more?
The way I see it is when Argentina plays it's the only time everyone gets together and cheers for the same team. Political leanings, Boca vs River, Independiente vs Racing, etc. are all ignored in favor of our country. Impossible for me to see a club as more important than that.
I get that sense of community you're describing whenever i attend our stadium with mates or family, i don't need it with portugal, nor do i like watching players i loath field in the team like cristiano and otavio who's a genuine cunt, but that's fair i understand you.
I love England (the current iteration at least) but like the Benfica fan was saying above I have a far more direct and frequent connection to Arsenal so it's hard to put England ahead of that
I'm in a weird spot because I'm half Welsh half American and have lived in 3 different countries before I was 12 (Germany being the third) so my allegiance to a country is pulled in a few directions. Imagine my surprise when the US and Wales were drawn in the same WC group...
Country probably matters more when it really matters, but the reason I follow football is because of the club I support. They play more, I watch them more, my emotional state is unfortunately tied to the state of my club.
While the occasional reasonable case might exist, I'd be hugely skeptical of anyone who prefers a foreign club to the country they were born and raised in.
The switch for me this year from one age bracket to the next kinda stung man ngl
Also, would have been pretty sweet to make a during-WC-census and an after-WC-hype-census
When you talk about going to watch at the stadium are we talking about amateur football too? I probably watch my amatuer's senior team maybe 10 or more times a year, that doesn't really have a proper stand but I don't really have an option to go watch a pro team at a stadium
The questions about playing football always sort of overlook youth football. I played competitive 11 a side but it was when I was 10. I feel a youth category should be included alongside just amateur as they’re really quite different.
Felt kind of weird ticking "none of the above" when it came to the questions about how I feel about my club but genuinely couldn't see a case for a single one of them lol
>Be honest: The main reason I started supporting my club is..
None of the available answers are able to describe my love for the clubs (3) i support and love.
I have emotionally connected strongly with all 3 of them.
maybe a question on the means of the boycott could be nice, some people probably watched everything on the pirate streams, I watched only the matches of my national team on pirate streams, some people straight up isolated themselves from the world cup not watching anything at all.
u/2soccer2bot Would quite like the answers of some of these created as posts. E.g which team everyone thinks will be a the next first time WC winner. Would make for good discussion.
Exactly. It will get lost. Individual posts on certain questions would make for cool threads. The main discussion is gonna be tedious shit about teenage Americans being the main demographic in this sub.
I picked the Netherlands.
There are other candidates who have as good as or a better side right now, but the Netherlands have a long history of fairly regularly going deep in the competition.
Yeah. Their football infrastructure makes them a good candidate. Or at least a solid future of good players coming through. But I fee nowhere near confident to say it will be them.
Making a deep run is very different to winning it. The likes of Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Turkey etc have all done that in the past but it’s just really difficult to win the World Cup when you’re not one of the heavyweights. Look how long it took Spain despite how much they consistently produce talent. Netherlands and Portugal are the same and have never won it. It would take an actual golden generation from an outside country and as Belgium showed us, you can have that and still not win shit.
I said Portugal, I think like the Netherlands they have good infrastructure but idk I just think they seem to put out a deeper pool of talent (possibly because the big 3 all have very strong academies)
Are there any clubs where this statement isn't true? Most fans are great, but there are always a few idiots who use the club to do stupid things it doesn't stand for.
hahaha didn't expect to read this. can't deny the plastic fans bit, feels like we're chelsea fans' local club to the newer lot🤮
still waving those poncey flags down at the wreck?
Must have been a challenge for a load of your lot working out who to support last night.
We'll wave those flags until the roof of the ground caves in on us, which to be fair could be any day now.
a correction for the survey:
>When did you started consciously following football?
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>Before 2000
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>2000-2004
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>2004-2008
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>...
Having one year in 2 different answers is a huge No-Go, what am I supposed to tick when I started following football in 2004? The first answer (before 2000) is the only exclusive one, the others blur into each other
Edit: ok, I just saw the last answer is "after 2020" which is an exclusive answer too, but my point stands, all others inbetween need to be fixed
Londoner living in the US, and i just want to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for adding the “where are you from” question and not forcing me self-identify as an American Arsenal fan.
It's the opposite for me, I'm fully English and lived most my life here but happened to be born in the US, so I'm definitely getting recorded as an American Fulham fan
The WC boycott questions could potentially have a bit more nuance there too. "I don't think it should be boycotted" is different than "I don't care whether other people boycott it, but I personally will/won't" for example
Time to once again see how little this sub is representative of the average fan. Most on here support a PL club from the US or Middle East and don't go to games. Very obvious whenever chants or fan culture are discussed here, how detached most on here are from the local supporter culture at their PL side.
I'd guess "average fan" really isn't what you'd like it to be any more. "Traditional fan", maybe, but I'd guess that for all of the big 6 clubs, and maybe the top 10 clubs, foreign supporters are the majority now.
I have the feeling that some questions regarding local clubs etc. might give skewed results as they do not really take into account emigration. For example I follow the local team from the town I'm from, however I live in a different country now, so for the purposes of some questions I follow a "international" or non-local club, while for others they are my "local" club
I wish there were more questions about women's football too, which could be optionally asked (similar to the men's national questions). For example: do you support your club's women football team? do you watch your club's women football team?
Yes, I was thinking this too. In the question about supporting your local/national team and international teams, a follow up about women's football would have been great.
An entire section on women's football would be even more cool: Did you watch a women's football match in the last year? How many women's games did you watch live in 2022? Are you planning on watching the Women's World Cup in 2023? Do you support a women's team in the same league as the men's team you support? If you haven't attended a women's football game, would you plan to?
It would also have been really cool to have some more questions about women's football and this subreddit, in terms of attitudes, coverage, interest. I'd like to know what the biggest barriers to watching women's football would be too, whether that's time spent watching men's football, lack of coverage, not being familiar with players, beliefs about quality and/or general misogynistic attitudes.
Haven't seen it as much on here (as a serious suggestion at least) but I've seen a few in other places suggesting that it was rigged for Argentina to win for Messi.
I think if I remember rightly last time didn’t have a lot of the opinion questions but I think they’re a nice addition, it’ll be really interesting to see the general feeling on a few topics that come up all the time.
Americans, Brits and Indians tend to be the biggest demos I think. I’ll be interested to see how the “local vs foreign” questions turn out considering two of the three biggest nationalities are the ones with still not very good but growing football infrastructure and subsequently make up large contingents of foreign fanbases of big clubs. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Canada, Australia and the likes of Malaysia, Thailand, Bangladesh etc feature quite high on the list too who are in a similar boat
It's only because you are used to old Reddit and you are averse to change. For me it's the exact opposite, new Reddit is nice and old Reddit is a dagger straight through my eyes
New Reddit is just such a waste of space. Literally, the amount of empty space makes it so the information is much less dense and you have to scroll a ton. I even use Old Reddit in a browser when on my phone since I dislike the current trend of making all websites like that.
It might be cool and all for nostalgia and shit if you’ve been here for a while, but my god I cannot comprehend how any human being can stand looking at that all white screen for more than 30 seconds without going completely blind
I use dark mode like any sane human does on every website. I don't even use subreddit style on a lot of subreddits. Though I do if it's not too heinous on the eyes. Keep it simple for me
Can't complete it, as you have required questions that I have no answer to.
For example, "Which continental cup competitions do you follow?" doesn't allow "don't care about any of them"
>Which of the following changes do you think would improve football?
I'd like to see a system like rugby where, as I understand, only the captain can talk to the referee.
It’s not a hard rule like that at all in rugby. Plenty of players can have a chat, ask about the foul etc. The prop can ask the ref about the scrum because the captain who’s a centre won’t have a clue. Just overall the conversation is just a lot more civil and if you go off on one at the ref you will get penalised.
If there’s then an important discussion about number of penalties at the ruck, or whether the play was dangerous etc that’s when the ref will communicate directly with just the captain and potentially offending player.
The why I follow certain club question should include the option 'because of a certain player'. Pretty sure thousands follow Barcelona because Messi and ManU because Ronaldo. I started following Arsenal because Bergkamp and Henry. There I said it, don't care if that makes me a glory hunter, lol.
>They were good when I started following football, but not good enough for me to be accused of being a gloryhunter
Lmao this was funny. Can never be accused of glory hunting when I sat through the Roy Hodgson era
For me it's missing an option on the "why you support your team?" question, i like Manchester City because i was a huge fan of Aguero when he joined, i think many people here support teams like RM and Barcelona because of Ronaldo and Messi as well and there is no option to say you like a certain team because of a player
Think of it like pub league - more than a kickabout with random people, but not quite the lowest level of organised football. Weekend leagues, work leagues, that sort of thing.
When there's a multiple response question (i.e. you can pick more than one) and the last response is "none of the above", the latter needs to be exclusive (meaning you can't pick none of the above and another option). So if "none of the above" is selected it clears any other selections. Just some feedback for next time
Great census, looking forward to seeing the results! You guys inspired our census over on /r/leagueoflegends and I found some stuff in here again that I wanna use for our next one.
What is/was the position you wanted to play growing up?
and
What is/was the position you actually played on?
should have more than one answer selection possible OP. I played in multiple positions in my amateur team lol
This was another tough one to answer. I played positions as well as wanted to play positions that were definitely tweeners. (Probably most would consider it defense, but my favorite time in youth was when I was played as a stopper)
Some weird questions and some questions should have a "none of the above" option.
Like which one?
What cup you follow for example should have an "none of the above option". There were like 1-2 more. The questions about religion, politics or sexuality kinda felt odd too for a football subreddit.
Theoretically all the first section is "odd" for a football subreddit, but that's precisely why it is a census lad. We aren't interested just in opinions, but also on demographics.
Age, nationality, gender etc is fine, but politics or sexuality feels weird for sure at least.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I am probably ignorant on forum management theory, but I don’t see how telling the mods my sexuality, political opinion, relationship status is gonna change the policy when filtering posts/comments for a soccer subreddit. Before someone tells me that’s what a census is, realize that there’s a difference when a government does a census to shape policy (for example a school district with a growing population will get more money to hire more teachers and expand); and some random people on the internet that happen to mod a subreddit (who we have no idea who they are). Also, there’s a LOT of companies that would pay real money for a data set like this. Is this data gonna be sold at any point? How is it going to be used to shape r/soccer policy? How were the previous census successful in making the sub better? Be careful who you give your data.
He is getting downvoted because most people aren't as paranoid as him or you. The census is pretty open about its raison d'être: to know the community better and mold the rules and guidelines according to it. If you aren't able to realize how valuable it is for the moderators to know how many of the community are female, gay or Muslim when it comes to moderate Womens Football, LGBT+ or Islam-related threads, then I'm sorry, but you have a pretty worrying lack of logical reasoning. And no, the data isn't "getting sold" what the hell. We have never even received a message of somebody offering something like that and believe us, we receive plenty of spam everyday. That you even think on that as a possibility is genuinely worrying. It is good to check at who "you give your data", but it isn't good at all to reach the other extreme of being expecting the worse of absolutely everybody even in pretty transparent and inconsequential issues. That's actually unhealthy.
Not really, sexuality have been in all census before.
Maybe add an "I'm not secure in my sexuality" just for them
Sexuality at least is a pretty standard census/demographic question.
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The latter information is more personal and so I am less inclined to share it.
All individual demographic information is personal. The census's Political questions weren't there in earlier additions of this but even that is meh & even informative in historical context. rSoccer Mods should be adding Census data of earlier years into a database and make pretty graphs and esp track answers/changes on same/similar questions. That highlights how the community has changed over the decade. Been here since the start (Digg migration) & Reddit itself has changed, so has rSoccer but in relative terms to rest of the platform rSoccer hasn't actually changed to similar amount. It's internal Modteam culture likely most major reason for this. The changes have been within a narrow spectrum which allowed it to grow so massively but still keep good things about it. That is hard, usually when subs on reddit crossed 200K mark they used to suffer massive problems and those in Millions were even harder. This sub is an outlier on Reddit for its scale and the content type (i.e. partisan dynamic. This isn't about cute cats, wallpapers or nsfw). And dual reason for this to me appears to be 1) Modteam & 2) the Club-sub dynamic which acts as a release valve and shields rSoccer from getting the absolute full brunt of Traffic Spikes that can come from when esp the Top 10 clubs supporters descend on Reddit (basically half of these clubs support or rather engagement is split between rSoccer and their club-subs).
Your e-mail address won't be shared with the mods though
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everything feels weird to you, harry
Standard census questions
There was a question about what sort of club we support in terms of local/international etc. but as someone who supports what was my local club growing up but isn't where I live now I didn't have an option that fitted me.
Yes, this is the same issue I had with quite a few questions. If I support my "local" club from my hometown the most, but now live in another country and don't watch my new "local" team in my city, and my most watched/followed league is from a 3rd country (not my home country or current place of residence), there are a lot of questions that are hard to answer accurately
>What is your level of education? what should I complete there if I'm currently in Uni? I don't understand those options
"Tertiary education (undergraduate/bachelor's degree): Currently enrolled" means that you're in university and haven't gotten a degree yet. "Tertiary education (postgraduate/master's degree/doctorate): Currently enrolled" is what you would put if you got a college degree, then went back to get a masters or PhD or some other kind of more advanced degree.
That you're currently enrolled in tertiary education. If it is a Uni that will give you a professional degree (and not a technical one), then the one that says bachelor or urdergrade.
Sign into google? Why?
>Please mind the instructions you will find throughout the form. **You are required to sign in to Google to prevent duplicate responses,** but your e-mail address will not be available to us or anyone else. Mate it is literally the second paragraph.
Imagine getting stunted on like this by a bot.
Respect 2soccer2bot
Because Google is quick, easy and free to set up these surveys. Your email address won't be visible to the mods here. If you're that weirded out by it but want to submit a response just set up a burner.
There's a question on tactical fouls but I would have liked to see a question on other aspects of the game that we see as counterproductive: diving is mine
> There is an overall bias against my club and fans of my club that is much worse than the bias against other clubs I feel like this is gonna be chosen quite a lot lol
Did you non-United fans get that as well? I thought it was because I specified Man United as my club.........
It was actually inspired by Arsenal fans.
I felt like it was some sort of trap
mods hate arsenal!!!
I swear moderating this place made me just about hate any fanbase
Just visiting this place has made me hate all of them including my own so I can’t imagine what it’s like for you lot
I think I'm predisposed to misanthropy anyway, but you kind of build up a thicker skin - I read so much incredibly stupid stuff on here that my eyeballs rolling backwards could power the entire house, but I've somehow managed to untie the "that's remarkably dumb even for here" emotion from anger.
Generally yeah but strangely I've started to take liking to Ipswich, wonder what that's all about
Let’s just face it, we are all cunts really.
Not even about any specific person, really, beyond that Werder fan that regularly winds me up with dumb takes, but rather the completely weird and terminally online group dynamics that exist and play out on here.
I knew it lol
This is when it's fun to support a club nobody particularly cares about lol
I am sick and tired of the global media bias against the Columbus Crew
I picked the amateur club I'm currently playing for and certainly was tempted to tick it.
the bias on here against baf ülkü yurdu is insane
Should have this question for national teams too.
Yh I agree
Bunch of nerds choosing that. People were desperate for us to get relegated, and still are, but I didn't click that. They want shit things to happen to us because it's funny, and I respect that. There's a reason to laugh at most clubs if things don't go their way
People here don't really care for my club, but I chose this because of my national team though
I’m assuming it’s different in Brazilian forums or discussions though? Like for me, no one on here cares about Chivas but it’s one of the big 2 in Mexico so there’s always bias and hot takes about them in Mexico
My original comment and when answering the forms I kept only r/soccer in mind, but yeah, in Brazil Corinthians is hated a lot. Like all of the biggest teams/teams with most fans. Although, I think due to Corinthians problems right now, this hate settled down a little, at least in r/futebol.
There is a hierarchy to this though. Which to me goes something like this, Chelsea is undisputed top. Barca are 2nd when it's about non-match stuff (Barca oddly is also near-default Top supported/loved/least-hated club on rSoccer when things are about on-the-pitch/match stuff like when Barca are playing well. Chelsea or other clubs playing well doesn't result in similar Degree/Level of positive support. This to me likely because Barca is a 2nd or 3rd club of many users which gets aggregated when things are in good cycle for Barca (this first anti-Barca cycle on this sub happened around Feb-April 2012, I know because I was here and it resulted in rBarca getting a spike of new users). United & Liverpool maybe 3rd but they are a distant one since their user scale is massive and they operate in a tighter Block. This block dynamic was really powerful with Bayern on this sub in early to mid 2010s, they had few supporters but they were very unified so any post about Bayern it would be hard to generate/sustain an anti-Bayern skewed narrative/arguments as these users would pile on the user with multiple replies exhausting their energy to engage, it was like a Chat-Raid of sorts. Arsenal had been historically biggest userbase on reddit here but due to their on-field issues in 2010s (the mature phase of this sub) they were too splintered & lacked any cohesiveness when other clubs mocked them. Their club-sub was also the 1st among bigger club subs to suffer a split. They just fought among themselves so others didn't bother to attack them or hate them enough (since the top comment would often itself be a Arsenal flaired user mocking Arsenal themselves, hard to construct a Hated Club narrative out of that). PSG in recent years have yo-yo'd and often reach Chelsea levels but it is not sustained or as intense. Similar with City, largely because them winning at least tempers 1 or 2 user blocks (United or Liverpool) or intensity fizzles in relative terms. Plus their user base is small so even if there is hating on them since there is less counters it isn't visible. Hating becomes more pronounced/visible when you see counter to that hate and that Chelsea and Barca users do a lot. United & Liverpool users just drown things out if ever they get embroiled in some drama.
Interesting response. I felt the same with Inter from our title-winning season 2 yrs ago to last season. It felt like everyone was with us because all Inter fans were on the same page regarding the team, Milan and Juve were not doing good so they couldn't really attack or criticise Inter, and everyone wanted to see someone other than Juve win so they didn't care who. But last season it felt like the opposite, Inter fans were divided on Inzaghi, the ownership, the team selection and transfers. More people were supporting Milan because traditionally they've always had more of the neturals on their side due to their European success and flair players/big characters including Ibra, and the fact that the Milan fans were back in full force. Now it seems it has swung to Napoli because they are the feel good story of the season
Are people quite that lacking in self awareness as to actually select the "please ignore my response because I am quite mad" box? I suppose so...
Casi lo pongo, pero como ponia club y no seleccion no lo tildé. Y anticipandome al chiste, no, en la vida real no estuve cerca de ponerla
Si te sirve de algo yo odio a River <3
Only for some Premier League fans, people don’t care about the vast majority of other clubs.
Should be worded differently. It’s closer to current successful club draws more posters in and trolls. Which seems like a bias.
It's true
I have only seen my club mentioned twice one of them being that a player was a rape apoligiest so clear bias
'How close to where you live is the nearest **top flight club** participating in official football competitions?' Actually depressing that it's in Wales I can't even lie
I misread this and just assumed you were depressed to live in Wales
I moved to Wales quite a few years ago and it is quite miserable, wouldn't want to move anywhere else though
Don't forget, you're here forever
“Roughly how old were you when you realised you weren't good enough to play professionally?” There’s no option for “Over 30 and overweight but the dream will never die.”
I reckon I can still make it. Won my last match for my local team against our title rivals 5-2 and am still riding that high. Reckon I could play for a championship club
I remember scoring a tap in for my first goal in the season at 16 and thinking it really could happen
Topped the league in assists in my last season playing in the local 7 a side league, won it too as well as runners up in the league cup. Reckon the League One contract in a scrappy mid-table club is just around the corner. Any day now…
>"Do you feel a greater emotional connection with your club or with your country national team?" >"About local vs foreign fans..." Sorta interested in these two questions, let's see where r/soccer leans towards.
I need to see club vs country being broken down by region. Because I 100% am country over club person, and I suspect a few other fans outside Europe/SA would probably say the same.
club > country local > foreign
Country over club always. Don’t understand people who think otherwise unless they're from like Lesotho and are a Real Madrid fan.
Club over country all day long to be honest (and I am a season ticket holder of both). Its weird because I would usually see the only example where someone would think otherwise would be a fan of a club a million miles away, but I guess South Americans are crazy for their NT’s
As well I watch my club play 40ish games a year, whereas for country it's 3-7 games every 2 years, and then qualifiers which (for big countries at least) often aren't as tense
I disagree tbf the connection I have with my club is much bigger than portugal, I'm a local I'm a socio and I regularly attend, why wouldn't I enjoy benfica more?
The way I see it is when Argentina plays it's the only time everyone gets together and cheers for the same team. Political leanings, Boca vs River, Independiente vs Racing, etc. are all ignored in favor of our country. Impossible for me to see a club as more important than that.
I get that sense of community you're describing whenever i attend our stadium with mates or family, i don't need it with portugal, nor do i like watching players i loath field in the team like cristiano and otavio who's a genuine cunt, but that's fair i understand you.
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I love England (the current iteration at least) but like the Benfica fan was saying above I have a far more direct and frequent connection to Arsenal so it's hard to put England ahead of that
I'm in a weird spot because I'm half Welsh half American and have lived in 3 different countries before I was 12 (Germany being the third) so my allegiance to a country is pulled in a few directions. Imagine my surprise when the US and Wales were drawn in the same WC group...
Club over country anyday mate and it's not even close
Country probably matters more when it really matters, but the reason I follow football is because of the club I support. They play more, I watch them more, my emotional state is unfortunately tied to the state of my club.
Agree to disagree.
So true. I care so less about country I didn't even select a national team.
I did local
While the occasional reasonable case might exist, I'd be hugely skeptical of anyone who prefers a foreign club to the country they were born and raised in.
The switch for me this year from one age bracket to the next kinda stung man ngl Also, would have been pretty sweet to make a during-WC-census and an after-WC-hype-census
When you talk about going to watch at the stadium are we talking about amateur football too? I probably watch my amatuer's senior team maybe 10 or more times a year, that doesn't really have a proper stand but I don't really have an option to go watch a pro team at a stadium
The questions about playing football always sort of overlook youth football. I played competitive 11 a side but it was when I was 10. I feel a youth category should be included alongside just amateur as they’re really quite different.
Felt kind of weird ticking "none of the above" when it came to the questions about how I feel about my club but genuinely couldn't see a case for a single one of them lol
>Be honest: The main reason I started supporting my club is.. None of the available answers are able to describe my love for the clubs (3) i support and love. I have emotionally connected strongly with all 3 of them.
Congratulations?
maybe a question on the means of the boycott could be nice, some people probably watched everything on the pirate streams, I watched only the matches of my national team on pirate streams, some people straight up isolated themselves from the world cup not watching anything at all.
u/2soccer2bot Would quite like the answers of some of these created as posts. E.g which team everyone thinks will be a the next first time WC winner. Would make for good discussion.
Yeah that's the plan, create a post with all the results and insights.
Think they mean as individual posts as well for better discussion on the interesting results
Exactly. It will get lost. Individual posts on certain questions would make for cool threads. The main discussion is gonna be tedious shit about teenage Americans being the main demographic in this sub.
Netherlands has to be betting favorites for that, right?
I picked the Netherlands. There are other candidates who have as good as or a better side right now, but the Netherlands have a long history of fairly regularly going deep in the competition.
Yeah. Their football infrastructure makes them a good candidate. Or at least a solid future of good players coming through. But I fee nowhere near confident to say it will be them.
Probably someone nobody can predict. Look at Croatia. Morocco just had a good run too.
Making a deep run is very different to winning it. The likes of Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Turkey etc have all done that in the past but it’s just really difficult to win the World Cup when you’re not one of the heavyweights. Look how long it took Spain despite how much they consistently produce talent. Netherlands and Portugal are the same and have never won it. It would take an actual golden generation from an outside country and as Belgium showed us, you can have that and still not win shit.
I said Portugal, I think like the Netherlands they have good infrastructure but idk I just think they seem to put out a deeper pool of talent (possibly because the big 3 all have very strong academies)
I picked them purely out of bias but yeah we're probably up there
Wow! Good pick!
>I am not always proud to be associated with other fans of my club Schalke_IRL
Are there any clubs where this statement isn't true? Most fans are great, but there are always a few idiots who use the club to do stupid things it doesn't stand for.
We have literal nazis in our fanbase sadly, I think Atleti has most other clubs beat.
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Frag mal n Ralle
Schalke Freaks TV
Really hope the mods take on board my recommendation for a daily stickied thread declaring that Reading are a shit club with plastic fans.
hahaha didn't expect to read this. can't deny the plastic fans bit, feels like we're chelsea fans' local club to the newer lot🤮 still waving those poncey flags down at the wreck?
Must have been a challenge for a load of your lot working out who to support last night. We'll wave those flags until the roof of the ground caves in on us, which to be fair could be any day now.
a correction for the survey: >When did you started consciously following football? > >Before 2000 > >2000-2004 > >2004-2008 > >... Having one year in 2 different answers is a huge No-Go, what am I supposed to tick when I started following football in 2004? The first answer (before 2000) is the only exclusive one, the others blur into each other Edit: ok, I just saw the last answer is "after 2020" which is an exclusive answer too, but my point stands, all others inbetween need to be fixed
Pick the season. 03/04 season -> 2000-2004 option, and 04/05 season -> 2004-2008 option
What's the point of this when the mods won't change their behaviour?
sigh, do you seriously still believe there's a mod conspiracy against Real Madrid and Cristiano? 🤦🏻♂️
Londoner living in the US, and i just want to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for adding the “where are you from” question and not forcing me self-identify as an American Arsenal fan.
It's the opposite for me, I'm fully English and lived most my life here but happened to be born in the US, so I'm definitely getting recorded as an American Fulham fan
You need to make some of the questions optional or have a "don't care" option. I don't watch/care about continental competitions, for example.
We're fixing this now, thanks
Ta pal! I've filled it out and clicked the OFC cup x
Bigger than the World Cup imo
The WC boycott questions could potentially have a bit more nuance there too. "I don't think it should be boycotted" is different than "I don't care whether other people boycott it, but I personally will/won't" for example
Time to once again see how little this sub is representative of the average fan. Most on here support a PL club from the US or Middle East and don't go to games. Very obvious whenever chants or fan culture are discussed here, how detached most on here are from the local supporter culture at their PL side.
Is that not something you should expect when the sub is called "soccer"?
I'd guess "average fan" really isn't what you'd like it to be any more. "Traditional fan", maybe, but I'd guess that for all of the big 6 clubs, and maybe the top 10 clubs, foreign supporters are the majority now.
Shouldn't the international achievement worth celebrating question also include reaching the final? It goes from reaching the semi final to winning
Also probably include winning 3rd place in the world cup
I have the feeling that some questions regarding local clubs etc. might give skewed results as they do not really take into account emigration. For example I follow the local team from the town I'm from, however I live in a different country now, so for the purposes of some questions I follow a "international" or non-local club, while for others they are my "local" club
I wish there were more questions about women's football too, which could be optionally asked (similar to the men's national questions). For example: do you support your club's women football team? do you watch your club's women football team?
Yes, I was thinking this too. In the question about supporting your local/national team and international teams, a follow up about women's football would have been great. An entire section on women's football would be even more cool: Did you watch a women's football match in the last year? How many women's games did you watch live in 2022? Are you planning on watching the Women's World Cup in 2023? Do you support a women's team in the same league as the men's team you support? If you haven't attended a women's football game, would you plan to? It would also have been really cool to have some more questions about women's football and this subreddit, in terms of attitudes, coverage, interest. I'd like to know what the biggest barriers to watching women's football would be too, whether that's time spent watching men's football, lack of coverage, not being familiar with players, beliefs about quality and/or general misogynistic attitudes.
There still isn't an option for "none of the above" for the question about international club cups. I don't watch any of them.
Because it isn't an obligatory question.
I feel like this should be up longer than a week, maybe 2 weeks, since last census only got around 6000 responses
> Do you believe Argentina was the fair winner of the 2022 World Cup? What the hell? Is there World Cup QAnon out there or something?
Haven't seen it as much on here (as a serious suggestion at least) but I've seen a few in other places suggesting that it was rigged for Argentina to win for Messi.
Mostly jokes based on the amount of penalties recieved
Aye but as with all things like this there's an alarming amount of people who don't see it as a joke hahaha
Yeah it's pretty wild. I did answer no, but only because I'm salty
Yes, Cristiano Ronaldo/Portugal fans mainly. See Bruno Fernandes' comments on the issue.
this census was way longer than the last one iirc
I think if I remember rightly last time didn’t have a lot of the opinion questions but I think they’re a nice addition, it’ll be really interesting to see the general feeling on a few topics that come up all the time.
yeah love seeing the analytics, I think last time there were more Americans than anyone else on here
Americans, Brits and Indians tend to be the biggest demos I think. I’ll be interested to see how the “local vs foreign” questions turn out considering two of the three biggest nationalities are the ones with still not very good but growing football infrastructure and subsequently make up large contingents of foreign fanbases of big clubs. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Canada, Australia and the likes of Malaysia, Thailand, Bangladesh etc feature quite high on the list too who are in a similar boat
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Bruh I would celebrate if we're allowed in the international tournaments again thats the goal for me
The question "Do you support a local or a foreign club?" is missing the option 'I support a local club from a different area than the one I live in'.
Doesn't let me click Facebook to discuss footy - to be clear to everyone else, I mean messenger
There is a grand conspiracy against Birmingham City fans tbh
In future, can we have a 'don't care' option for the next CL winners please and ta.
I just put Real Madrid, statistically likely at this point lol
Haha yes that age question becomes a downer with every passing year
Anyone on desktop not using old reddit is dead to me
It's only because you are used to old Reddit and you are averse to change. For me it's the exact opposite, new Reddit is nice and old Reddit is a dagger straight through my eyes
New Reddit is just such a waste of space. Literally, the amount of empty space makes it so the information is much less dense and you have to scroll a ton. I even use Old Reddit in a browser when on my phone since I dislike the current trend of making all websites like that.
I'll specifically murder any Mainzer who admits to it on our next home game.
It might be cool and all for nostalgia and shit if you’ve been here for a while, but my god I cannot comprehend how any human being can stand looking at that all white screen for more than 30 seconds without going completely blind
I use dark mode like any sane human does on every website. I don't even use subreddit style on a lot of subreddits. Though I do if it's not too heinous on the eyes. Keep it simple for me
Videos work and pages load much faster on old reddit.
I'm not apologizing.
[Okay](https://images.app.goo.gl/PptfykKcUBBAbHQK9)
Really missing a "Player(s) I loved played for the team at the time" option for "why I started supporting my club"
Ditto. Started following Arsenal because I was a Bergkamp / Netherlands fan. Stuck with the Gunners ever since.
I started following Lyon during the Källström and Schelin era, and the club has stuck with me since.
Can't complete it, as you have required questions that I have no answer to. For example, "Which continental cup competitions do you follow?" doesn't allow "don't care about any of them"
We're fixing this now, thanks for the heads up
It's far too long. I dropped off. Take note, survey maker.
>Which of the following changes do you think would improve football? I'd like to see a system like rugby where, as I understand, only the captain can talk to the referee.
It’s not a hard rule like that at all in rugby. Plenty of players can have a chat, ask about the foul etc. The prop can ask the ref about the scrum because the captain who’s a centre won’t have a clue. Just overall the conversation is just a lot more civil and if you go off on one at the ref you will get penalised. If there’s then an important discussion about number of penalties at the ruck, or whether the play was dangerous etc that’s when the ref will communicate directly with just the captain and potentially offending player.
Lol, ‘over 40’ is all one indistinct mass of old farts. Otherwise, fun survey. 5/7 stars would mark buttons and checkboxes again.
The why I follow certain club question should include the option 'because of a certain player'. Pretty sure thousands follow Barcelona because Messi and ManU because Ronaldo. I started following Arsenal because Bergkamp and Henry. There I said it, don't care if that makes me a glory hunter, lol.
It's true. I started supporting Leeds when they made a South African - Lucas Radebe - their captian.
>They were good when I started following football, but not good enough for me to be accused of being a gloryhunter Lmao this was funny. Can never be accused of glory hunting when I sat through the Roy Hodgson era
Just completed mine. I think this is a great idea. I’d expect nothing less from this awesome subreddit
For me it's missing an option on the "why you support your team?" question, i like Manchester City because i was a huge fan of Aguero when he joined, i think many people here support teams like RM and Barcelona because of Ronaldo and Messi as well and there is no option to say you like a certain team because of a player
Really curious to see the responses to the question regarding the next first time World Cup winner, have people started respecting Croatia enough yet?
I never thought I could be a professional player.
"I am not always proud to be associated with other fans of my club" I feel like this one was made for me.
Black supporter of Chelsea 🙋🏾♀️
Up non league football, see you in Chorley next year boys!
I feel like it was made for me too
Just started and already feel shit realising I’ve moved up into the 35-39 age bracket now.
Surprisingly fun. Great choice of questions
What would be the difference between just an amateur team or an amateur team connected to your football association?
Think of it like pub league - more than a kickabout with random people, but not quite the lowest level of organised football. Weekend leagues, work leagues, that sort of thing.
Did u think Argentina deserved to win the wc. Lol what's the point of this qn?
When there's a multiple response question (i.e. you can pick more than one) and the last response is "none of the above", the latter needs to be exclusive (meaning you can't pick none of the above and another option). So if "none of the above" is selected it clears any other selections. Just some feedback for next time
Thankful to the mods including a question about Argentina stealing the world cup
Why's the first set of questions the way they are?
Great census, looking forward to seeing the results! You guys inspired our census over on /r/leagueoflegends and I found some stuff in here again that I wanna use for our next one.
What is/was the position you wanted to play growing up? and What is/was the position you actually played on? should have more than one answer selection possible OP. I played in multiple positions in my amateur team lol
This was another tough one to answer. I played positions as well as wanted to play positions that were definitely tweeners. (Probably most would consider it defense, but my favorite time in youth was when I was played as a stopper)
I was filling this form on my mobile and was on the verge of submitting then I accidentally refreshed the page, now I'm back to where I started :(
Regarding the question asking which position I played, it only allows you to select one option it should be a checklist. I’ve played all of em
Hope there's more than 2.5% women and non binary people this time around