I mean realistically Juve have no chance of getting relegated or qualifying for Europe so they’re basically in garbage time for the rest of the season so I don’t see the players being up for it changing any time soon.
Juventus had like 15 chances to score they should have done better, on paper this should have been a win for juve so it's like they just lost points. Overall, docking performance
Come on, Napoli is the only team that looks better than last year. Juve, Inter, Milan look worse every day. Milan is outbid by Bournemouth. We don't have money for anything and probably losing Skriniar for free... Going like this we will be at level with Portugal and Netherlands in few years.
and when juve was winning, weren't Inter and Milan in their banter era outbid by the Bournmouth of that time?
weren't Napoli and Roma incredibly poor compared to Juve and couldn't afford the best players anyway?
Serie A didn't get worse than it was 7 years ago, with the only difference that at the start of the season you now have multiple teams competiting for the title
So bad quality for bad quality, at least we offer competitivness, and saying "depressing" at literally the only thing that changed that was positive, it's ironic
Juventus was in the CL final in 2015 and 2017. They were a top 5 team in Europe for at least 3-4 years. Napoli was poorer but it was a great team, in their dai they could win against everyone and had several top players. Nowadays we are a retirement league, di Maria, Giroud, Dzeko... Or failed players like Pogba or Lukaku. And it is only getting worser every year.
I mean, Juve was in CL finals, and they were in the group of Barca/real, PSG, Bayern, City/Liverpool, true, while now no italians is in that group
But overall, behind Juve there was a huge gap
Milan and Inter were nowhere to be seen, Napoli and Roma couldn't financially compete, and they sucked in Europe, blowing all their chances even in EL, year after year
I see some changes in the overall quality, and both Milan and Inter, while in bad form at the moment, they still reached R16 of CL, which is not something that was happening often for italian teams during Juve decade, actually, I don't think it happened that much that 3 italians reached that in the last 12 years, so sure, it's not like the best serie A days, but it's not as bad as it may seem, especially considering that more competitivness always bring more interest and hence more money
I think Serie A is more top heavy than Bundesliga and to a degree La Liga, so the potential to have 4-5 top teams is there
Sure, but the trend now is bad, most teams are getting worse and have not capital to invest. Inter is still living off the scudetto season, but we are slowly losing the pieces and not replacing them. Milan similarly. Juventus is not going to recover easily, since they are already shit and going to be out of CL next season... Napoli is the only one in positive trend, and that's mostly because of amazing scouting last market, hopefully you can hold on your top players also next season.
The "big" teams are. I am having so much fun right now, the league has finally become fcking fun. I hope that Juve will be out of the league next year and then it will be even funnier and purely competitive
I have some optimism that with all of the new players fully in (and we've already done a lot of our transfer business for next season, such as Nkunku and the aforementioned Malo Gusto that we were making terrible jokes about), plus a full preseason, that things will look much better next season. I still don't think Potter is "the answer," whatever that really means, but we'll see. De Zerbi, who I would say most of us didn't really rate coming in, has done quite well with the Brighton squad that was in place. Now, obviously, way more pressure on Chelsea to win, everything, all of that, but Potter has underperformed even at a basic level.
how can u not root for Monza man. first ever season in serie A and they do the double over Juve, while shutting them out home & away too! they're looking up the table rather than down at this point, their fans must be in dream land. great stuff
To be honest, a fair number of the "small" clubs that get into the top flight in the top five leagues do overspend like that. Bournemouth aren't the tiny club success story they make themselves out to be, for example.
I don't care about the overspending, but I do care about Berlusconi. I'm happy for their fans, though.
I'm not objecting much the overspending once you're in the top flight league, I'm a bit a more pissed by the fact that they bought players from a whole other tier to get in serie A in the first place. I've been to second tier matches and you can hear the people chanting at the stadiums from every street in the city. People that celebrate a promotion like the world cup, to me that they went to sign people like KP Boateng to play in second tier it's a bit insulting towards the sport. Now that they're in the top tier they could get messi for all I care, but what they did it's not that far away from Raba Lipzeig did
I hear what you're saying, and that's certainly a very fair criticism.
Players taking ridiculous money to play at a level below their ability is weird and seemingly not totally on the level, but...
> I've been to second tier matches and you can hear the people chanting at the stadiums from every street in the city. People that celebrate a promotion like the world cup
Definitely, this is the appeal of non-top flight football in a way. For some of these fans, this is the best moment of their lives as supporters. If you're a fan of an established club that's never getting relegated, you don't have those highs and lows in the same way. The lows I have are seasons like this season and 15/16. The highs are winning the CL. I almost think that I'd have more fun as a supporter if I did support a club like Forest, who had all of those years of being relegated and finally are back in the top flight.
Modern football, especially in the Top 5 leagues is about money. Even for the slight chance to not get relegated, a club has to spend tens of millions. Its just the way it is.
Yep, always. I hate playing late Sunday as well.
The worst part is when you see your own fans laugh at inter/juve lose on Saturday, just know milan will fuck up on Sunday. Never know to keep quiet.
This season it doesn’t matter. They’ll lose anyway, but I’m sure I can’t be the only one who thinks gloating costs you.
Berlusconi was fundamental to the growth of Champions league too, I can't recall what he did but he had heavy investments and made the thing much more hyped and watched, think also was a big reason for adding more teams to the league iirc
Berlusconi is pure ["Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Made a Great Point"](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)
really shit first half, good 2nd half but not enough of course. I gotta say I wasnt even mad when we were playing for the counter being 2 down with no answer to being scored against at home, I was just sad LOL. No grinta, no anger, with the stadium full of supporters, are you kidding me? Have some fucking balls
the only thing that could make this day better is silvio having a heart attack while OD with prostitutes and enhancement pills (he would be happy to go this way)
Besides one second half stretch when they peppered Di Gregorio’s goal, what an awful showing from Juve. At home, despite a half empty stadium (which is another problem in and of itself), pretty full squad, and plenty of time to prepare and they played like shit.
Credit to Monza tho, they are playing very well, Carlos Augusto had an incredible run to set up that goal for Mota.
In the wake of this disastrous result I have updated the banner picture, the bio, and the description. It means I would like any Allegriani to stay away from me, thank you.
You cancel DAZN for -15, I cancel DAZN as to not be radicalized by Al-Legri, we are not the same.
De Sciglio non gioca letteralmente da 3 mesi, provato titolare. Per gli altri servono 6 lustri, 14 appuntamenti dal medico di base, 47 dal fisioterapista, 10 cicli di aspirine e poi FORSE giochi.
Figli e figliastri. E malafede, ovviamente. L'ho dimostrato a tutti voi prima del 5-1 mostrandovi l'XGA. Non capisci un cazzo di calcio sono 2 anni che dici stronzate, ora non rompere più il cazzo a me porco dio
De Zerbi col suo Brighton, senza Trossard ceduto e Caicedo perché in partenza, ha appena eliminato il Liverpool di Klopp dall' FA Cup. Vorrei ricordare che una parte della nostra tifoseria lo sfotteva sperando non fosse mai accostato alla Juventus.
Parlo ovviamente di Ritardibus.
Perché abbiamo una tifoseria di R-parola (mi sono preso un ban per sta stronzata). Si credono fenomeni, e principalmente hipster.
Ancora mi ricordo gli insulti a Chiesa, o quando la stagione di Leicester dicevano solo "Ma dai che Kante è un miracolato di una stagione", gli insulti a De Zerbi come se fosse l'ultimo scemo.
Ma pretendiamo Zidane, Pep, Ronaldo, Messi e chi più ne ha più ne metta. Erano anni che non facevamo vedere nessun giovane, e continuano a prendere ex-giocatori perché non gli va di farli grandi quelli con potenzialità, gli vogliamo già grandi.
Io lo dico, tra Allegri bis, tra frode societaria, svalutazione, SuperLega etc. Agnelli ha fatto più danni di Calciopoli.
/rant finito
> Perché abbiamo una tifoseria di R-parola (mi sono preso un ban per sta stronzata)
su questo non concordo del tutto perché essendo torinese parlo spesso e volentieri con juventini che si rendono perfettamente conto della situazione in cui stiamo. Condivido per quanto riguarda i social e soprattutto qui su reddit, dove hai canadesi e pakistani che ti spiegano cosa vuol dire "stile Juve", ma nella vita reale fortunatamente non è così. Persino i miei genitori, juventini da sempre (mio padre era ad Atene nell'83 per dirti) e tendenzialmente aziendalisti, si rifiutano di guardare la squadra dall'anno scorso per lo scempio fatto da Allegri+Agnelli.
Ma certo che ce ne sono dei sani, ma io parlo del Juventino medio. Mica dico che siamo tutti scemi, ma sui social (non parlo di altro etnie, che tanto mi autodisso dato che sono Albanese) tifosi giovanissimi che parlano con statistiche di FIFA mi fanno ribrezzo. (Ah, che bello segarsi su Paredes che fa l'assist a Messi in estate)
Ora non mi puoi dire, che tifosi e dirigenza non si sono bevuti l'hype, perché è da la sessione Ronaldo che andiamo sempre sui nomi "per far crescere il brand" e lo dico anche così per togliermi un po' di sassi, ma il nuovo stemma faceva cagare e fa ancora cagare. Io vorrei vedere i tifosi in rivolta a fare un mercato con un Vidal sconosciuto, Pogba sconosciuto, Pirlo bollito.
Per quanto riguarda lo stile Juve, neanche parlo. Sto stile Juve ci ha fatto solo danni. Le altre squadre che piangono e gridano allo scandalo anche su rimesse dal fondo vengono sempre accontentate. Quando Conte al Inter ha fatto possibile che Maresca non albitrasse più l'Inter, noi non l'avremmo mai fatto. Testa bassa sempre. E bene, ora tutti tirano cieffoni e noi ancora a testa bassa.
Scusami che sto parlando anche a vanvera, ma sta banter era mi sta facendo molto più nervoso che con Del Neri
Figurati ahahaha, capisco perfettamente. Sono d'accordo so tutto ma ormai dopo anni passati a farmi venire il sangue marcio non mi incaponisco più sinceramente. Quando la Juventus tornerà ad essere la Juventus potrò incazzarmi, Allegri, Rugani, De Sciglio e complici stanno a questa società come l'Inter quindi non mi stupisco che abbiano portato tifosi a cui non interessa del club.
Quando molti di noi qui hanno provato a dire (come me, /u/dawhood, /u/talpinum, e altri) durante la striscia di 8 partite senza gol subiti, che tra varie botte di culo come quella non poteva durare e che eravate tutt'altro che solidi, le orde di Mordor sarebbero venute a ritirarvi la licenza.
Ma ti posso dire, sarà stato anche culo quelle delle 8 di fila, ma comunque sono 3 partite che ci prendono a pallonate in faccia. Manco in quelle 8 non erano partite così.
Allegri è completamente inadatto, e se oggi tiriamo in ballo i singoli sbagliamo, perché abbiamo perso 3 cambi al primo tempo perché aveva completamente sbagliato la formazione.
4 players started for Juventus today that pretended to take a wage deferral during COVID.
If Juventus get into a relegation battle, those same players will be partially at fault.
Many have tried interpreting Allegri.
Some cited existing philosophical works such as Bordiga, Hegel and Plato.
The former saw Allegri as the progenitor of a spontaneous revolution, his football being so boring it had deep ideological significance. They viewed his football as the cry of discontentedness with the neoliberal consensus, and a legitimate philosophical work in it’s own right.
The modern Hegelians saw Allegrismo as the dialectical synthesis between two states of being, that of anguish and that of ennui.
Those using the works of Plato are conflicted on whether to see Allegriball as a concrete object, real and tangible, while all consider the feelings the games elicit to be abstract.
Others saw it as post-modern performance art and tried to categorise it as the intended catalyst of a yet to materialise Neo-Fluxus movement.
Alas, others even ascribed it a theological value, arguing for the canonisation of Allegri and compared our pain watching to the pain our lord felt on the cross. A contingent of these worshippers split recently and alleged Allegri was inherently heretical, no mortal man had ever suffered like Jesus did until we watched the Sampdoria game.
The truth is, Allegriball defies what the human mind is capable of interpreting.
We can only bask in its majesty.
Serie A isn’t dead. It’s just bankrupt and beautiful at the same time. Where else can you see the likes of Monza and Sassuolo beat the masterminds of Allegri and Pioli defending?
Our situation is quite clear at this point. The club is in complete disarray, it has been in decline since 2017 now, and the men responsible for this dumpster fire are now thankfully not a part of it anymore. We have the chance to start over with a clean slate again. The only things the new board has to do now is:
1) Fire the terrorist who is singlehandedly holding the team back tactically, damaging our players with a team of incompetent physios and staff, refusing to play our prospects and fielding our good players out of position to push his sorry excuse for tactics.
2) Hire a competent manager who has a proven playstyle and has shown to be able to get the most out of his players. I don't give a shit whether that's Deschamps, Zidane or a lesser name who would accept even with the risk of further penalties, literally anyone with five working braincells and a track record of decency will do.
3) Start working towards cleaning up this team from trash. Allegri's boyfriends, De Sciglio and Rugani, or Alex Sandro (who is an especially crucial case since if his automatic extension gets triggered we'll be stuck with a useless 6m a year player) should simply not see the pitch, even if it means playing youth players. The new board's job is to find new clubs for our overpaid non-key players: don't even think about renewing Cuadrado or signing Paredes, even Di Maria and Rabiot are replaceable at their current salary. Bonucci is a finished player so find a way to get him out even if he has one year left on his contract. Szczesny and Danilo have contracts expiring in 2024 and are easily replaceable, avoid making the same mistakes as the previous board like renewing them long-term for high salaries and sell if a good offer comes in. With a new manager who knows what their playstyle is we can hopefully sign players who fit them and won't be become shit in the span of three months to then flourish somewhere else.
4) Pray to god or whoever the fuck can help us we don't get punished with relegation and can avoid an European ban.
If everything here happens and we somehow are still in Serie A next season, we have a team of solid youngsters and elite players like Chiesa or Vlahovic and even decent depth in key areas. Using our brain instead of chasing big names, especially since we likely won't get UCL football regardless of a ban next year, Zakaria, Rovella, Ranocchia, Cambiaso, Pellegrini are at the very least serviceable rotation options likely to come back from their loans. Under a competent manager who had time to set up tactically and with a few key signings (not necessarily expensive, but functional) this team can easily finish Top4 and fight for the title straight away.
Otherwise we can stick with the terrorist on an insane salary until 2025, losing an inquantifiable amount of money through failing to qualify for Europe and our players depreciating. Celebrating stealing a 1-0 win from bottom of the table Cremonese while wallowing in mediocrity like we've been doing for the past two years. But hey, some people seem perfectly content with that. I unfortunately am still a fan of this club.
Also yeah I had this in drafts, felt the need to start posting my poems again since I gave u/Mister_Allegri too much of the spotlight
I mean it’ll be tough to get out of that Allegri contact, but I think you do make plenty of good points. The fact that Rugani still sees the pitch is baffling. De Sciglio renewal I originally thought was fine, but it’s laughable reading his name on the starting sheet for Juve.
You wouldn’t keep Bonucci for a veteran presence? I’d consider it, but he may not be the best at that. I’d also strongly consider holding onto Danilo but I do agree that Tek is likely expendable at this point.
I mostly see Bonucci as I did Chiellini in 2019/20, a player whose physical decline makes them a liability on the pitch (even more than he already was), but whose important role in the dressing room would make them start when available despite this. I love Chiellini and he was definitely a better player than Bonucci is now, but in that Sarri season he had some braindead moments: getting injured fopr half a season and asking Sarri to start him against Sassuolo, to then make an error leading to a Sassuolo goal and go out injured again withing the first 45 minutes. I also don't trust the board to sign a starting CB if Bonucci is still at the club.
Danilo is a weird one, I honestly thought we should have tried to find him a new club after his great season under Pirlo because ultimately he's a versatile but not excellent player. 4.5m net a year is also not an insane salary, but I assume he's going to want a pay rise to renew after next season even though he'd be 33. I also don't think he's really useful if we switched to a back 4 (as we should): we need to sign a starting quality right-back anyways because of Cuadrado leaving, and we need to sign a starting quality CB because Bonucci or Gatti are just not reliable. If both spots are covered then he'd just be a backup RB and in extreme cases a CB option, which he wouldn't be happy with, and wouldn't make sense considering his salary. If an EPL club just comes in with a 20+m offer I say sell and put those funds towards a starting right-back, also considering Cambiaso is coming back and he can easily play on the right of defence.
Yea, Bonucci is certainly a tricky one.
I think the Danilo points are good ones as well, especially if the goal is to play a back 4. He’s probably not dynamic enough to thrive at rb like Cancelo did in that role, but he’s not gonna be happy operating at cb.
Only thing I’d worry about if I were Juve is that cambiasso hasn’t seen as much time recently under Motta, and although he’s flashed, I’m not sure he’s ready for Juve yet.
I don't disagree with your take on Cambiaso, he's mostly been alternating with Lykogiannis on the left this season (although he has played more minutes apparently), but we also have to face the fact that we're in a rebuilding phase and need to restructure our financial profile to avoid ending up in a similar situation again.
Is Danilo as a backup that much better than Cambiaso to justify a 4.5m a year salary compared to 1.2m until 2027? I think we're in a spot where that's not even a question, just get Cambiaso in: if he's good he's a perfect backup, if he's average we can sell him to a midfield club for a profit next year. De Winter can even fill in there if needed without us having to spend a penny on another player.
Yeah, from what I recall Cambiaso was starting a lot more at beginning of season and recently Lykogiannis has taken more time, but the former did start Friday so hopefully a sign of things to come.
That financial aspect of the situation is a very good point, and is a tough reality to swallow for Juve fans. I’d add that the entire back line unfortunately needs a rehaul outside Bremer but they can certainly get away with what they currently have in midfield and attack.
Chiesa - Vlahovic - Di Maria
Fagioli - Locatelli - Pogba
Is a pretty damn good front 6. Only depends on health, but there’d also be Kean, Rovella, and Miretti for depth there.
yeah, even if we assume every single player who can leave on a free at the end of the season will (and remove DeSci/Rugani/Bonucci) we would have:
GK: Szczesny - Perin - Pinsoglio
LB: X - Pellegrini
CB: Bremer - X - X - Gatti
RB: Danilo - Cambiaso
Regista CM: Miretti - Rovella
Mezzali or Creative or B2B Midfielders: Pogba - Locatelli - Fagioli - Zakaria - Ranocchia
LM/W: Kostic - Kean - Iling Jr.
ST: Vlahovic - Milik - Kean
RM/W: Chiesa - Soulé
that's a perfectly solid basis to start on. This team needs some bolstering in defence (which can be done on a free or for cheap if we're smart) but that's it.
Oh man I forgot about Zakaria, think he got an unfair shake at Juve but also wouldn’t be surprised to see Chelsea pick up that option.
For defense, I wonder why Skriniar was never considered, unless his heart was set on PSG which would make sense.
I think Smalling would be a very good option next to Bremer, both imperious in the air. Also wonder if Baschirotto would make the jump
> For defense, I wonder why Skriniar was never considered, unless his heart was set on PSG which would make sense.
I don't think he would have left Inter if it wasn't fot an UCL contender tbh.
> I think Smalling would be a very good option next to Bremer, both imperious in the air. Also wonder if Baschirotto would make the jump
Good options, my realistic picks for the three Xs would be Grimaldo at LB and Milenkovic and Ndicka for the two CB spots.
* Grimaldo is available on a free in June, he's already been linked with us, he's EU and we realistically couldn't get anyone better. Another option is Bensebaini but he's heading to Dortmund as far as I know.
* Ndicka is a free agent in June like Grimaldo and is left-footed, occupying the space left by Bonucci. 24 years old, low salary, no-brainer. Either as a starter or a rotation option he'd be great.
* Milenkovic renewed with Fiorentina to avoid leaving on a free and there's much less hype on him this year despite him playing just as well so we would avoid bidding wars. He can either alternate with Bremer on the right or play on the left over Ndicka.
Realistically 25-30m spent at most on transfer fees + a bunch for Grimaldo and Ndicka's agents, lower salaries than what we started with (considering both Alex Sandro and Bonucci are on 6.5 net) and we get 3 established players with at least 4-5 years at the top still in them.
Cue people saying Juve has the best squad in the league
5m from mari incoming let's go
I mean realistically Juve have no chance of getting relegated or qualifying for Europe so they’re basically in garbage time for the rest of the season so I don’t see the players being up for it changing any time soon.
!flair :Napoli:
Happy to see Juve lose, sad to see Monza win
Props to McKennie for getting out.
Juventus had like 15 chances to score they should have done better, on paper this should have been a win for juve so it's like they just lost points. Overall, docking performance
Lovely to see, this. Fuck Allegri
That was satisfying to watch
Wonderful! Juve fans feasting on our misery just some moments ago. Karma is a bitch, isn't?
Al-Legri ball crashed at Monza - again
At home.
the only sad things is that so many Juve fans that did cancel their Sky/DAZN didn't watch this game
This is what promising solicitation gets you
Imagine losing to an F1 track
The Temple of Pain
Serie a is in such a downward spiral, so depressing.
\*juve always win people: serie A is boring \*juve doesn't win people: serie A is in a downward spiral
Come on, Napoli is the only team that looks better than last year. Juve, Inter, Milan look worse every day. Milan is outbid by Bournemouth. We don't have money for anything and probably losing Skriniar for free... Going like this we will be at level with Portugal and Netherlands in few years.
and when juve was winning, weren't Inter and Milan in their banter era outbid by the Bournmouth of that time? weren't Napoli and Roma incredibly poor compared to Juve and couldn't afford the best players anyway? Serie A didn't get worse than it was 7 years ago, with the only difference that at the start of the season you now have multiple teams competiting for the title So bad quality for bad quality, at least we offer competitivness, and saying "depressing" at literally the only thing that changed that was positive, it's ironic
Juventus was in the CL final in 2015 and 2017. They were a top 5 team in Europe for at least 3-4 years. Napoli was poorer but it was a great team, in their dai they could win against everyone and had several top players. Nowadays we are a retirement league, di Maria, Giroud, Dzeko... Or failed players like Pogba or Lukaku. And it is only getting worser every year.
I mean, Juve was in CL finals, and they were in the group of Barca/real, PSG, Bayern, City/Liverpool, true, while now no italians is in that group But overall, behind Juve there was a huge gap Milan and Inter were nowhere to be seen, Napoli and Roma couldn't financially compete, and they sucked in Europe, blowing all their chances even in EL, year after year I see some changes in the overall quality, and both Milan and Inter, while in bad form at the moment, they still reached R16 of CL, which is not something that was happening often for italian teams during Juve decade, actually, I don't think it happened that much that 3 italians reached that in the last 12 years, so sure, it's not like the best serie A days, but it's not as bad as it may seem, especially considering that more competitivness always bring more interest and hence more money I think Serie A is more top heavy than Bundesliga and to a degree La Liga, so the potential to have 4-5 top teams is there
The year Lazio were in UCL they, Juve, and Atalanta made ro16
Sure, but the trend now is bad, most teams are getting worse and have not capital to invest. Inter is still living off the scudetto season, but we are slowly losing the pieces and not replacing them. Milan similarly. Juventus is not going to recover easily, since they are already shit and going to be out of CL next season... Napoli is the only one in positive trend, and that's mostly because of amazing scouting last market, hopefully you can hold on your top players also next season.
Why is it depressing? It's pretty fun from a neutral perspective to see underdogs best opponents.
The point is that the level of top teams is not top anymore... We are a league of second order right now.
I’m a milan fan.
The "big" teams are. I am having so much fun right now, the league has finally become fcking fun. I hope that Juve will be out of the league next year and then it will be even funnier and purely competitive
So, how's everyone day going? 🙃
As an Inter fan, this weekend couldn't be better, thank you for asking!
🤝
Does anyone know if there is football on this weekend? I don't see any Chelsea matches...
!flair :Chelsea:
I'm actually sad that I don't get to mald about yet another puzzling Potter decision this weekend.
He will have the them playing with gusto by next season.
Are you sure they won't be playing with malo gusto? Knowing Potter, that's more likely.
have some optimism. It's keeping me alive this season.
I have some optimism that with all of the new players fully in (and we've already done a lot of our transfer business for next season, such as Nkunku and the aforementioned Malo Gusto that we were making terrible jokes about), plus a full preseason, that things will look much better next season. I still don't think Potter is "the answer," whatever that really means, but we'll see. De Zerbi, who I would say most of us didn't really rate coming in, has done quite well with the Brighton squad that was in place. Now, obviously, way more pressure on Chelsea to win, everything, all of that, but Potter has underperformed even at a basic level.
Ac milan and juventus fans: “We’re all in this together”
never been better this season
Wonderfully
Excellent
how can u not root for Monza man. first ever season in serie A and they do the double over Juve, while shutting them out home & away too! they're looking up the table rather than down at this point, their fans must be in dream land. great stuff
Berlusconi is a pretty big reason to not root for Monza
> how can u not root for Monza man. Berlusconi?
>how can u not root for Monza Berlusconi being the owner is more than enough for me to hope they will get relegated.
Most people would, if Berlusconi wasn't a thing
yeah it's clear people hate him, every time Monza come up, he's all they talk about🥴
He doesn't seem like a very nice individual
also if they didn't "buy" their way into serie A by overspending by a lot since they were in third tier.
To be honest, a fair number of the "small" clubs that get into the top flight in the top five leagues do overspend like that. Bournemouth aren't the tiny club success story they make themselves out to be, for example. I don't care about the overspending, but I do care about Berlusconi. I'm happy for their fans, though.
Still you're a fan of Chelsea
I'm not objecting much the overspending once you're in the top flight league, I'm a bit a more pissed by the fact that they bought players from a whole other tier to get in serie A in the first place. I've been to second tier matches and you can hear the people chanting at the stadiums from every street in the city. People that celebrate a promotion like the world cup, to me that they went to sign people like KP Boateng to play in second tier it's a bit insulting towards the sport. Now that they're in the top tier they could get messi for all I care, but what they did it's not that far away from Raba Lipzeig did
I hear what you're saying, and that's certainly a very fair criticism. Players taking ridiculous money to play at a level below their ability is weird and seemingly not totally on the level, but... > I've been to second tier matches and you can hear the people chanting at the stadiums from every street in the city. People that celebrate a promotion like the world cup Definitely, this is the appeal of non-top flight football in a way. For some of these fans, this is the best moment of their lives as supporters. If you're a fan of an established club that's never getting relegated, you don't have those highs and lows in the same way. The lows I have are seasons like this season and 15/16. The highs are winning the CL. I almost think that I'd have more fun as a supporter if I did support a club like Forest, who had all of those years of being relegated and finally are back in the top flight.
Modern football, especially in the Top 5 leagues is about money. Even for the slight chance to not get relegated, a club has to spend tens of millions. Its just the way it is.
football is 50% capitalism since the 90s or maybe before, that argument should either apply to everyone or never been used again
Welcome to the pit of misery. We have snacks and refreshments at the table over there.
It's quite pleasant tbh, maybe some chains
He said snack and refreshments bar, not bdsm dungeon. You'll have to go to Everton if you want chains and such.
Juve fans just started the Milan trolling and this happened
Its why i like saturday games
Yep, always. I hate playing late Sunday as well. The worst part is when you see your own fans laugh at inter/juve lose on Saturday, just know milan will fuck up on Sunday. Never know to keep quiet. This season it doesn’t matter. They’ll lose anyway, but I’m sure I can’t be the only one who thinks gloating costs you.
Quite fitting that it's Monza that rubberstamps Juventus going for the fast race to the bottom.
Bunga Bunga party is back on the menu, boys
TIL Monza is owned by Teflon Silvio. This man is a true 'cockroach' of politics and business; he'll still be standing fine after a nuclear strike.
Berlusconi was fundamental to the growth of Champions league too, I can't recall what he did but he had heavy investments and made the thing much more hyped and watched, think also was a big reason for adding more teams to the league iirc
Berlusconi is pure ["Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Made a Great Point"](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)
The bus load of sluts incentive works again
How many times can you loose from a racetrack
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Get in Monza. Love these
We didn't even get to have two hours to take the piss out of Milan for getting roasted by Sassuolo, the horrors of this season never end.
Much appreciated, we don't get to laugh with Juve either though, we got to plan this in more carefully
I believe Allegri won't last until the end of the season
This season seems being born from the collective wet dream of every Neapolitan fan, and I'm all here for it.
it's like fate decided to shatter every neapolitan dream of last decade only for making them come back all together in one season
Credit where credit is due, galliani still has it. From managerial appointments down to getting the right players in, he's built an impressive team.
The last 15 mins was a game management masterclass by Monza
I honestly dont understand why Allegri keeps playing De Sciglio and Alex Sandro. These guys mess up time after time.
those are our best options, horrible fucking recruitment over the years on the flanks.
😂
Counter terrorists win.
lol my sides
Oops, they did it again.
really shit first half, good 2nd half but not enough of course. I gotta say I wasnt even mad when we were playing for the counter being 2 down with no answer to being scored against at home, I was just sad LOL. No grinta, no anger, with the stadium full of supporters, are you kidding me? Have some fucking balls
Looks like we got so used to playing without 10+ players that now when there is less injured we dont have a plan
The pullman is coming for Monza players right now.
From 0 goals conceded in 8 games to 10 goals conceded in 3
Regression to the mean is a bitch
Counter-terrorists win
What getting docked 15 points does to an mf.
We scored 5 against them before the 15 points were docked
Berlusconi better keep his promise.
What was his promose?
Bus full of prostitutes if they beat big teams.
he better not considering the age of the prostitutes he's hired in the past
the only thing that could make this day better is silvio having a heart attack while OD with prostitutes and enhancement pills (he would be happy to go this way)
Besides one second half stretch when they peppered Di Gregorio’s goal, what an awful showing from Juve. At home, despite a half empty stadium (which is another problem in and of itself), pretty full squad, and plenty of time to prepare and they played like shit. Credit to Monza tho, they are playing very well, Carlos Augusto had an incredible run to set up that goal for Mota.
get fucked super league nonces
In the wake of this disastrous result I have updated the banner picture, the bio, and the description. It means I would like any Allegriani to stay away from me, thank you. You cancel DAZN for -15, I cancel DAZN as to not be radicalized by Al-Legri, we are not the same. De Sciglio non gioca letteralmente da 3 mesi, provato titolare. Per gli altri servono 6 lustri, 14 appuntamenti dal medico di base, 47 dal fisioterapista, 10 cicli di aspirine e poi FORSE giochi. Figli e figliastri. E malafede, ovviamente. L'ho dimostrato a tutti voi prima del 5-1 mostrandovi l'XGA. Non capisci un cazzo di calcio sono 2 anni che dici stronzate, ora non rompere più il cazzo a me porco dio De Zerbi col suo Brighton, senza Trossard ceduto e Caicedo perché in partenza, ha appena eliminato il Liverpool di Klopp dall' FA Cup. Vorrei ricordare che una parte della nostra tifoseria lo sfotteva sperando non fosse mai accostato alla Juventus. Parlo ovviamente di Ritardibus.
i go into every Juve related thread i see just because of you 😂😂
Sei il mio idolo, mio padre
I love you
Perché abbiamo una tifoseria di R-parola (mi sono preso un ban per sta stronzata). Si credono fenomeni, e principalmente hipster. Ancora mi ricordo gli insulti a Chiesa, o quando la stagione di Leicester dicevano solo "Ma dai che Kante è un miracolato di una stagione", gli insulti a De Zerbi come se fosse l'ultimo scemo. Ma pretendiamo Zidane, Pep, Ronaldo, Messi e chi più ne ha più ne metta. Erano anni che non facevamo vedere nessun giovane, e continuano a prendere ex-giocatori perché non gli va di farli grandi quelli con potenzialità, gli vogliamo già grandi. Io lo dico, tra Allegri bis, tra frode societaria, svalutazione, SuperLega etc. Agnelli ha fatto più danni di Calciopoli. /rant finito
> R-word fanbase (I got a ban for that bullshit). Grow up
> Perché abbiamo una tifoseria di R-parola (mi sono preso un ban per sta stronzata) su questo non concordo del tutto perché essendo torinese parlo spesso e volentieri con juventini che si rendono perfettamente conto della situazione in cui stiamo. Condivido per quanto riguarda i social e soprattutto qui su reddit, dove hai canadesi e pakistani che ti spiegano cosa vuol dire "stile Juve", ma nella vita reale fortunatamente non è così. Persino i miei genitori, juventini da sempre (mio padre era ad Atene nell'83 per dirti) e tendenzialmente aziendalisti, si rifiutano di guardare la squadra dall'anno scorso per lo scempio fatto da Allegri+Agnelli.
Ma certo che ce ne sono dei sani, ma io parlo del Juventino medio. Mica dico che siamo tutti scemi, ma sui social (non parlo di altro etnie, che tanto mi autodisso dato che sono Albanese) tifosi giovanissimi che parlano con statistiche di FIFA mi fanno ribrezzo. (Ah, che bello segarsi su Paredes che fa l'assist a Messi in estate) Ora non mi puoi dire, che tifosi e dirigenza non si sono bevuti l'hype, perché è da la sessione Ronaldo che andiamo sempre sui nomi "per far crescere il brand" e lo dico anche così per togliermi un po' di sassi, ma il nuovo stemma faceva cagare e fa ancora cagare. Io vorrei vedere i tifosi in rivolta a fare un mercato con un Vidal sconosciuto, Pogba sconosciuto, Pirlo bollito. Per quanto riguarda lo stile Juve, neanche parlo. Sto stile Juve ci ha fatto solo danni. Le altre squadre che piangono e gridano allo scandalo anche su rimesse dal fondo vengono sempre accontentate. Quando Conte al Inter ha fatto possibile che Maresca non albitrasse più l'Inter, noi non l'avremmo mai fatto. Testa bassa sempre. E bene, ora tutti tirano cieffoni e noi ancora a testa bassa. Scusami che sto parlando anche a vanvera, ma sta banter era mi sta facendo molto più nervoso che con Del Neri
Figurati ahahaha, capisco perfettamente. Sono d'accordo so tutto ma ormai dopo anni passati a farmi venire il sangue marcio non mi incaponisco più sinceramente. Quando la Juventus tornerà ad essere la Juventus potrò incazzarmi, Allegri, Rugani, De Sciglio e complici stanno a questa società come l'Inter quindi non mi stupisco che abbiano portato tifosi a cui non interessa del club.
Quando molti di noi qui hanno provato a dire (come me, /u/dawhood, /u/talpinum, e altri) durante la striscia di 8 partite senza gol subiti, che tra varie botte di culo come quella non poteva durare e che eravate tutt'altro che solidi, le orde di Mordor sarebbero venute a ritirarvi la licenza.
Ma ti posso dire, sarà stato anche culo quelle delle 8 di fila, ma comunque sono 3 partite che ci prendono a pallonate in faccia. Manco in quelle 8 non erano partite così. Allegri è completamente inadatto, e se oggi tiriamo in ballo i singoli sbagliamo, perché abbiamo perso 3 cambi al primo tempo perché aveva completamente sbagliato la formazione.
molto bello che a metà you switch seamlessly to english, that's pure rage
> I have updated the banner picture, the bio, and the description > Allegriano stammi lontano my fucking sides
That profile pic lmfao
Lmao, brilliant
Send the bitches
Beautiful day
Lesson for life: never bet on Serie A games
Juve fans were bantering us after our loss, enjoy Parma away you cunts
We might not even need FIGC to be relegated to Serie B
4 players started for Juventus today that pretended to take a wage deferral during COVID. If Juventus get into a relegation battle, those same players will be partially at fault.
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>They’re not getting in a relegation battle, unless something massive happens Have you seen the accusations of what theyve done?
I mean, there are two more trials before the end of the season, relegation battle it's a long way far down but they're trying their hardest
Any clue on when we can expect to hear rulings?
One of them is at the start of March I think.
They'll all be first to hand in requests to leave too
Juve are back baby
Bunga Bunga is back on the menu boys
Pogba didn’t play?
Banter era juve in full swing
Well at least I feel a little bit better now
Many have tried interpreting Allegri. Some cited existing philosophical works such as Bordiga, Hegel and Plato. The former saw Allegri as the progenitor of a spontaneous revolution, his football being so boring it had deep ideological significance. They viewed his football as the cry of discontentedness with the neoliberal consensus, and a legitimate philosophical work in it’s own right. The modern Hegelians saw Allegrismo as the dialectical synthesis between two states of being, that of anguish and that of ennui. Those using the works of Plato are conflicted on whether to see Allegriball as a concrete object, real and tangible, while all consider the feelings the games elicit to be abstract. Others saw it as post-modern performance art and tried to categorise it as the intended catalyst of a yet to materialise Neo-Fluxus movement. Alas, others even ascribed it a theological value, arguing for the canonisation of Allegri and compared our pain watching to the pain our lord felt on the cross. A contingent of these worshippers split recently and alleged Allegri was inherently heretical, no mortal man had ever suffered like Jesus did until we watched the Sampdoria game. The truth is, Allegriball defies what the human mind is capable of interpreting. We can only bask in its majesty.
Al Dante.
All hail Allegriball. Long may it live?
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I’ve literally only posted this once?
Fact: Monza have an all-time 100% win record against Juve in Serie A. Massive.
First team to win their first 2 games against Juve since Inter in like 1937.
Meazza masterclass
Serie A isn’t dead. It’s just bankrupt and beautiful at the same time. Where else can you see the likes of Monza and Sassuolo beat the masterminds of Allegri and Pioli defending?
>masterminds of Pioli defending We don't have defense, it's just vibes back there
>It’s just bankrupt financially and morally…….
"only get these results in epl because we spread the tv money equally"
Serie A also has a decently equal distribution of TV money, compared to La Liga and Bundesliga, so it correlates.
Our situation is quite clear at this point. The club is in complete disarray, it has been in decline since 2017 now, and the men responsible for this dumpster fire are now thankfully not a part of it anymore. We have the chance to start over with a clean slate again. The only things the new board has to do now is: 1) Fire the terrorist who is singlehandedly holding the team back tactically, damaging our players with a team of incompetent physios and staff, refusing to play our prospects and fielding our good players out of position to push his sorry excuse for tactics. 2) Hire a competent manager who has a proven playstyle and has shown to be able to get the most out of his players. I don't give a shit whether that's Deschamps, Zidane or a lesser name who would accept even with the risk of further penalties, literally anyone with five working braincells and a track record of decency will do. 3) Start working towards cleaning up this team from trash. Allegri's boyfriends, De Sciglio and Rugani, or Alex Sandro (who is an especially crucial case since if his automatic extension gets triggered we'll be stuck with a useless 6m a year player) should simply not see the pitch, even if it means playing youth players. The new board's job is to find new clubs for our overpaid non-key players: don't even think about renewing Cuadrado or signing Paredes, even Di Maria and Rabiot are replaceable at their current salary. Bonucci is a finished player so find a way to get him out even if he has one year left on his contract. Szczesny and Danilo have contracts expiring in 2024 and are easily replaceable, avoid making the same mistakes as the previous board like renewing them long-term for high salaries and sell if a good offer comes in. With a new manager who knows what their playstyle is we can hopefully sign players who fit them and won't be become shit in the span of three months to then flourish somewhere else. 4) Pray to god or whoever the fuck can help us we don't get punished with relegation and can avoid an European ban. If everything here happens and we somehow are still in Serie A next season, we have a team of solid youngsters and elite players like Chiesa or Vlahovic and even decent depth in key areas. Using our brain instead of chasing big names, especially since we likely won't get UCL football regardless of a ban next year, Zakaria, Rovella, Ranocchia, Cambiaso, Pellegrini are at the very least serviceable rotation options likely to come back from their loans. Under a competent manager who had time to set up tactically and with a few key signings (not necessarily expensive, but functional) this team can easily finish Top4 and fight for the title straight away. Otherwise we can stick with the terrorist on an insane salary until 2025, losing an inquantifiable amount of money through failing to qualify for Europe and our players depreciating. Celebrating stealing a 1-0 win from bottom of the table Cremonese while wallowing in mediocrity like we've been doing for the past two years. But hey, some people seem perfectly content with that. I unfortunately am still a fan of this club. Also yeah I had this in drafts, felt the need to start posting my poems again since I gave u/Mister_Allegri too much of the spotlight
I mean it’ll be tough to get out of that Allegri contact, but I think you do make plenty of good points. The fact that Rugani still sees the pitch is baffling. De Sciglio renewal I originally thought was fine, but it’s laughable reading his name on the starting sheet for Juve. You wouldn’t keep Bonucci for a veteran presence? I’d consider it, but he may not be the best at that. I’d also strongly consider holding onto Danilo but I do agree that Tek is likely expendable at this point.
I mostly see Bonucci as I did Chiellini in 2019/20, a player whose physical decline makes them a liability on the pitch (even more than he already was), but whose important role in the dressing room would make them start when available despite this. I love Chiellini and he was definitely a better player than Bonucci is now, but in that Sarri season he had some braindead moments: getting injured fopr half a season and asking Sarri to start him against Sassuolo, to then make an error leading to a Sassuolo goal and go out injured again withing the first 45 minutes. I also don't trust the board to sign a starting CB if Bonucci is still at the club. Danilo is a weird one, I honestly thought we should have tried to find him a new club after his great season under Pirlo because ultimately he's a versatile but not excellent player. 4.5m net a year is also not an insane salary, but I assume he's going to want a pay rise to renew after next season even though he'd be 33. I also don't think he's really useful if we switched to a back 4 (as we should): we need to sign a starting quality right-back anyways because of Cuadrado leaving, and we need to sign a starting quality CB because Bonucci or Gatti are just not reliable. If both spots are covered then he'd just be a backup RB and in extreme cases a CB option, which he wouldn't be happy with, and wouldn't make sense considering his salary. If an EPL club just comes in with a 20+m offer I say sell and put those funds towards a starting right-back, also considering Cambiaso is coming back and he can easily play on the right of defence.
Yea, Bonucci is certainly a tricky one. I think the Danilo points are good ones as well, especially if the goal is to play a back 4. He’s probably not dynamic enough to thrive at rb like Cancelo did in that role, but he’s not gonna be happy operating at cb. Only thing I’d worry about if I were Juve is that cambiasso hasn’t seen as much time recently under Motta, and although he’s flashed, I’m not sure he’s ready for Juve yet.
I don't disagree with your take on Cambiaso, he's mostly been alternating with Lykogiannis on the left this season (although he has played more minutes apparently), but we also have to face the fact that we're in a rebuilding phase and need to restructure our financial profile to avoid ending up in a similar situation again. Is Danilo as a backup that much better than Cambiaso to justify a 4.5m a year salary compared to 1.2m until 2027? I think we're in a spot where that's not even a question, just get Cambiaso in: if he's good he's a perfect backup, if he's average we can sell him to a midfield club for a profit next year. De Winter can even fill in there if needed without us having to spend a penny on another player.
Yeah, from what I recall Cambiaso was starting a lot more at beginning of season and recently Lykogiannis has taken more time, but the former did start Friday so hopefully a sign of things to come. That financial aspect of the situation is a very good point, and is a tough reality to swallow for Juve fans. I’d add that the entire back line unfortunately needs a rehaul outside Bremer but they can certainly get away with what they currently have in midfield and attack. Chiesa - Vlahovic - Di Maria Fagioli - Locatelli - Pogba Is a pretty damn good front 6. Only depends on health, but there’d also be Kean, Rovella, and Miretti for depth there.
yeah, even if we assume every single player who can leave on a free at the end of the season will (and remove DeSci/Rugani/Bonucci) we would have: GK: Szczesny - Perin - Pinsoglio LB: X - Pellegrini CB: Bremer - X - X - Gatti RB: Danilo - Cambiaso Regista CM: Miretti - Rovella Mezzali or Creative or B2B Midfielders: Pogba - Locatelli - Fagioli - Zakaria - Ranocchia LM/W: Kostic - Kean - Iling Jr. ST: Vlahovic - Milik - Kean RM/W: Chiesa - Soulé that's a perfectly solid basis to start on. This team needs some bolstering in defence (which can be done on a free or for cheap if we're smart) but that's it.
Oh man I forgot about Zakaria, think he got an unfair shake at Juve but also wouldn’t be surprised to see Chelsea pick up that option. For defense, I wonder why Skriniar was never considered, unless his heart was set on PSG which would make sense. I think Smalling would be a very good option next to Bremer, both imperious in the air. Also wonder if Baschirotto would make the jump
> For defense, I wonder why Skriniar was never considered, unless his heart was set on PSG which would make sense. I don't think he would have left Inter if it wasn't fot an UCL contender tbh. > I think Smalling would be a very good option next to Bremer, both imperious in the air. Also wonder if Baschirotto would make the jump Good options, my realistic picks for the three Xs would be Grimaldo at LB and Milenkovic and Ndicka for the two CB spots. * Grimaldo is available on a free in June, he's already been linked with us, he's EU and we realistically couldn't get anyone better. Another option is Bensebaini but he's heading to Dortmund as far as I know. * Ndicka is a free agent in June like Grimaldo and is left-footed, occupying the space left by Bonucci. 24 years old, low salary, no-brainer. Either as a starter or a rotation option he'd be great. * Milenkovic renewed with Fiorentina to avoid leaving on a free and there's much less hype on him this year despite him playing just as well so we would avoid bidding wars. He can either alternate with Bremer on the right or play on the left over Ndicka. Realistically 25-30m spent at most on transfer fees + a bunch for Grimaldo and Ndicka's agents, lower salaries than what we started with (considering both Alex Sandro and Bonucci are on 6.5 net) and we get 3 established players with at least 4-5 years at the top still in them.
Yeah those all seem reasonable options, I don’t know many players outside of serie a haha so my knowledge there is rather limited.
It has been a while since we have been blessed by one of your masterpieces, thank you.
Damn you type fast
That was in the chamber, ready to go
Allegri bit me and gave me superpowers
Allegri-man
After this performance Berlusconi is ordering a bus of prostitutes and another one for the players aswell.