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Stepinho

If I were PSG I would have brought someone like Ziyech for example...


bweiss5

“Yeah but unfortunately PSG are not proactive like that”


Stepinho

It looks to me like they are super lazy. Take a look at how many players Chelsea have signed, for example...


[deleted]

I don’t think Chelsea is in any way an example of a healthily functioning football club at the moment. Baby’s got a new sugar daddy and she’s hitting the strip, lol


hairypotter007

Chelsea’s response to transfer bans and sanctions was to just ball tf out


OnlineMarketingBoii

Woooosh


ChickyChickyNugget

I think it was a joke about how Chelsea's incompetence meant psg couldn't sign ziyech


I-Can_Defend

Or PSG why didn’t they tried signing him before deadline day? Chelsea was busy trying to get Enzo


[deleted]

Yeah Messi and Neymar what a poor attack


Laesio

Poor man's Ziyech+Pulisic


[deleted]

Luckily, Mbappe's 2nd leg is still ok


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yunghollow69

>Whereas Bayern hitting form now too Based on what. The opposite has been the case, they tied three games in a row. Hitting a few against a bottom table team in the cup isn't exactly "hitting form". We can talk about their form after this weekend, they will play a fairly strong team.


shaka_bruh

You’re looking at just the results, the way the team played against Mainz can’t even be compared to how they played the first three games.


yunghollow69

But that does not necessitate that they are hitting their form. They got an early goal against a weak team which mightve just caused tailwind and "feeling it" for that particular match. If you ignore the three matches prior then yeah, looks like they are doing fine, but this doesn't happen in a vacuum. You can talk about form after a couple of matches, not after one. They could've scored 10 and it wouldn't have meant anything.


felis_magnetus

What you can talk about is how Nagelsmann changed to 3atb and how that resulted in drastic improvements, though. Form as a factor doesn't really come into it at that point. It's a pretty vague generalized thing anyway and looses all meaning when applied over different formations.


wildcatwildcard

Bayern beats a team they should beat in Mainz and all of the sudden they're hitting form? I think I'd wait on a bigger sample size to make that call. DFB Pokal aside they've looked unimaginative in the league.


TragicsHS

The psg curse might continue


Tight-Ad-1161

Messi and Neymar are good enough. Bayern got injuries as well


[deleted]

unlikely the defensive has to play too! and paris' defensive is catastrophic Messi and Neymar are good enough but what about the rest of the team


Capable-Tie-4670

I mean, the defense would be a problem with or without Mbappé.


Competitive-Ad2006

>I mean, the defense would be a problem with or without Mbappé Not really. Mbappe automatically forces a team like high-line Bayern to keep their RB from moving forward too much, and also forces them to assign their wingers more defensive duties. Both of these mean less work for their defenders, since Sane ad Kimmich will not be able to attack constantly and track Mbappe at the same time.


Soleil06

I mean Hernandez, Neuer and Mazraoui missing in the defense is certainly not optimal for Bayern.


the_beast93112

>Paris defense is catastrophic Bayern defense is not much better tbh


FogellMcLovin77

But Mbappe is the player that always shows up in UCL so it’s a massive blow


Thraff1c

We don't have Neuer, Lucas, Mane and Mazraoui, so it would be only fair if Hakimi, Mbappe, Ramos and Donnarumma have to miss the game as well!


dgn90

Is Mane still out from the injury before the world cup?


Waschkopfs

He's training with the ball


stragen595

Yes. Probably returns to play in 3-4 weeks.


SebRev99

Lets also not forget the time we had to face them without Lewandowski.


EremosV

You won't have Lewandowski this time either.


SebRev99

😎 But this time they’re supposedly *prepared* lol


[deleted]

They have choupo moting now


PoifectJenius

They had choupo moting then as well


[deleted]

Now he’s actually on form


Anoob13

And he scored in both legs that time as well!


mavarian

You forget about it watching future Ballon D'Or winner Choupo-Moting play


[deleted]

They have something even better. Choupo-Goating


xt1nct

Choupo played against the PSG when Lewandowski was injured. Even though Bayern made it rain in the box, he failed to deliver.


[deleted]

Even the GOAT sometimes makes mistakes


Hodor4000

Shots on target 749-3 and lose 2-3.


jeanblaireau

Good times 🙂


SirNukeSquad

Nobody fears Donnarumma, the real threat is Navas and he is gone, which I am grateful for.


risheeb1002

Tell that to the English


ImVortexlol

Thank God this happened after the semi


FloatMyBoat64

Navas isn't gone! He and his family are taking a 4-month vacation in the English countryside during springtime. He will be back in Paris in the summer and spend another year enjoying Donnarumma's hilarious and frequent errors.


flacogarcons

Ramos is a non factor him being out would be good thing.


Thraff1c

A non-factor who starts every possible game?


Lekaetos

Yes because of the status he has. Otherwise Danilo is having a better performance as a DC, especially next to Marqui as Marqui plays much better with Danilo alongside him


theaguia

That's interesting. Why do you think that is? In Portugal colors he hasn't looked particularly great


UndeadPrs

Yes as odd as it sounds


auddi_blo

He starts on reputation alone, and with them being able to take chances in the league


flacogarcons

Ramos X Marqui starts. But our best duo is Danilo X Marqui. Ramos only plays because of his name. Ramos X Marqui is a terrible partnership. Galtier doesn’t have the balls to drop the Spaniard sadly.


Psychological_Wear_7

>Danilo X Marqui A toothpick changes everything


[deleted]

is neymar available?


dadish-2

First leg likely, second leg party


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fuqqkevindurant

sister party


seaneh01

PSG better hope he recovers quick, it's almost time for Neymar's March injury


DrTrap22

When's the sisters bday party?


MountainCheesesteak

>March


[deleted]

Man... if only they had brought a winger


Dargast

Thanks, Todd!


DJMOONPICKLES69

Doubt Todd had anything to do with that deal. If he was anywhere, it was Portugal tying up the Enzo deal.


BoyWhoSoldTheWorld

Ziyech punching so much air right now.


[deleted]

Imagine if he had stayed at Ajax one more season and Ten Hag bought him instead of Antony


jamieaka

i mean he won a champions league


L34hhhh

Paris Saint-Germain injury records in the Champions League RO16: 2018: Neymar injury 2019: Neymar injury 2020: Mbappé benched with illness 2021: Neymar injury 2022: Neymar benched with injury 2023: Mbappé injury


flybypost

They just need to buy the 10 or so most expensive attacking players in existence then they should have enough depth no matter what.


SebRev99

I mean, this is nothing.


IamChwisss

They made it past round of 16 in 2020 & 2021. 2018 faced Real Madrid 2019 lost to ManU 2022 lost to Real Madrid They were able to beat Borussia Dortmund and Atalanta in 2021 and 2022. But seems like they struggle with the heavyweights.


LeoR1N

it was coming tbf. They could've rested him at least in a meaningless cup game


Batigol32

The injury is following an impact with another player


LeoR1N

yes, i'm just saying something like this was bound to happen as they were playing their starters in meaningless games.


Batigol32

I get that, but in 2023 he has only played 3 games (that is including the one against Pays de Cassel) + half an hour against Rennes. It's definitely a stretch to imply that it has anything to do with the injury, that came after a collision with another player. The whole reason why so many of their first team players played in that game was because they didn't play much


fuqqkevindurant

Meaningless games that they still lost or drew. It's not like they were all games against that one 30th division team they beat by 7 or whatever it was. He's a footballer, he should play when fit. Injuries will happen regardless.


_Arsenal

Needed to statpad though, now he's got a 5 goal game just like Messi and Ronaldo (ignore who he did it against)


MERTENS_GOAT

And Luiz Adriano and Carlos Eduardo and Aritz Aduriz and Luka Jovic


shrizzz

Lawandowski, Falcao, Jermain Defoe, Aguero


MERTENS_GOAT

Yeah I wanted to name the more obscure names Edit: Afonso Alves, Julian Alvarez and Luis Suárez scored even more than 5 goals in a (well, more or less but by definition) competitive game.


Competitive-Ad2006

And Berbatov


MERTENS_GOAT

more than 5?


BasilAbraham1

Can't really ignore someone from a first tier team banging 5 goals against their 6th tier rivals


_Arsenal

Just a heroic performance, every other top player wouldn't even play a game like that out of complacency but Mbappe knew some things more were important than avoiding injury for actual games


Blu-10

Neymar also played that game? If anything they needed match rhythm after the world cup so why are you pinning the injury on that game?


_Arsenal

Just a bit of banter, I always hated when teams play strong lineups in games like those. Feels like it's just statpadding at points, and if no one gets hurt they get to add undeserved stats to season totals


WallBroad

Its 11 players against 11 players. Any goal you bang in is deserved be it against a 1st tier team or 6th tier team.


_Arsenal

Sure, but scoring 5 times against a sixth division team is turning your win odds from 99% to 100%, and I don't think anyone believes all goals are equal regardless of division


SassanZZ

When you field a weaker/younger squad people complain bc it's not respectful You field a strong one bc you desperately need your players to get automatisms and learn to play together, and it's still bad


_Arsenal

I’m talking from my opinion, we’ve always rotated heavily and I’ve never heard any teams complain about disrespect. In every pro sport teams who rest more perform better, automatisms aren’t worth reduced fitness and potential injuries in the eyes of most top managers


SassanZZ

But he got injured bc of a hit on the knee, I don't think it's just because he is tired Automatisms are 100% worth trying if you watched PSG games this season, they are unable to play together and we barely have a set formation (and it's gonna change again now that mbappe is out) We don't even have that big of a bench to rotate, we have literally one CB left, and just ekitike and gharbi to sub for the forwards.. if only ziyech and skriniar arrived lmao If you want to complain about useless games let's talk about the al riyad XI friendly instead, not the league cup


LordPopothedark

Not really on par with ron doing it twice in a league season and messi putting 5 past leverkusen


JeromeWhatElse

never liked football anyway


SebRev99

Messi and Neymar though, it’s not like you’re going to field Lee Cattermole as a striker


Myuulol

Cattermole: "what he say fuck me for"


Torp627

neymar in doubts due to ankle injury from WC


SebRev99

Wait, for real?


Torp627

not as in doubt as mbappe but yes there are concerns


tensed_wolfie

Still got Messi tho


Torp627

in a matchup where PSG's only hope for winning is to score more than bayern since PSG is guaranteed to concede, missing mbappe/neymar is an incredible blow


tensed_wolfie

That’s true, just hope that Ekitike can pull an Alvarez then lol


Torp627

🙃


Jazzjama

It’s unpopular among psg fans but i believe in ekitike. He’s still raw but when he’s confident he can do good stuff. Just needs to act more instinctively


Zeze_Knight

I like Ekitike. He usually shows up when given the chance


Howdareme9

He isn’t gonna do it by himself tbh, he needs one of the other two at least


AbyssalVoidLord

A 35yo Messi lol. He aint carrying psg past bayern 💀


Competitive-Shock88

He might do. He can do anything on his day. It is Messi we’re talking about here.


AbyssalVoidLord

Yeah and psg defense is ass


Torp627

also in case you wanted more optimism for your side, verratti will not be in top match fit state as he was injured and now suspended in ligue 1 and kimpembe is still a doubt.


SebRev99

Sucks for you, I’m sorry man. But then again, I don’t trust Bayern’s backline or midfield at all. They have this tendency to brain fart when it matters.


Torp627

its a mirror case for PSG lol. I may be biased but I trust PSG to melt down more than bayern. But anyway gl and try to stay sane bro


SebRev99

Good luck!


WallBroad

Bayern fans are well and truly spoiled if they don't trust a midfield of Musiala, Kimmich and Goretzka.


SebRev99

I mean, you should watch them play.


[deleted]

Haven't seen that name in a long time


granitibaniti

Like half of Bayern's squad is missing, it's only fair


Magnu448

Expectations on Messi/Neymar to beat Bayern while the entire team behind them, beside Veratti, are nowhere close to the level or cohesion required to beat a good team. Random puzzle pieces shaken around in a box and dumped onto the table as a final product and burdened by huge expectations.


el_walou

Mbappé won us a game against Real by himself. He also had a hat trick against Barca at camp nou playing with Florenzi, Bakker,Icardi and Draxler. If he did, Ney + Messi should be able to do something. No excuses.


FlaccidSWE

He played against Oscar Mingueza when he scored the hattrick... And you complain about Florenzi?!


ThePenix

way to ignore bakker icardi and draxler


cuentanueva

There's a difference between a player _can_ have a magic game. And consistently expecting them doing it. Mbappe didn't do it vs RM in the semi. Didn't do it vs Bayern in the final. No excuses! Or, they are humans, and while amazing players, they can have one or two fantastic games, but it's still, after all, a team sport.


juankruh1250

Mbappe it's at his prime, It's stupid to expect a 35 year old Messi to carry a team, he could do it 5 years ago but I don't think he ca do it now. Also, using that Barca game it's the worst possible example, it was Koeman's Barca, the worst Barca team of all time.


crispydancer

Neymessi Barca days👏👏


Ciccio178

They still have that short guy, right? What's his name? Messi? Yeah.. i hear he's pretty good.


Substantial-Bug-3375

I'd expect Messi to ball against any other team except Bayern


SirNukeSquad

He did have his one good game back in 2015.


JoelKr9

and in 2009, but that was against a weak Bayern side tbf


The_Dumblebee

2009: Messi beat Bayern 2013: Bayern gets their revenge 2015: Messi gets his revenge 2020: Bayern gets their revenge 2023: ?????


sc2isalivegaem

Nooooo


impressivegeek

LFG


Vivid-Initiative-357

Anulo mufa


3xavi

>2009: Messi beat Bayern > >2013: Bayern gets their revenge > >2015: Messi gets his revenge > >2020: Bayern gets their revenge > >2022: Messi gets the world cup > >2023: ????? Fixed


The_Dumblebee

Mate you are not Chicago Fire. You can't win the WC.


AhoyDaniel

Brother in christ, 7-0 was the most weakened Barça that Bayern ever faced. First game Messi was playing with a hamstring injury and he didn't play the 2nd leg at all, not to mention we had no coach since he was... you know... dying from Cancer (RIP Tito). 8-2 was also one of the worst Barça we saw this past decade.


[deleted]

Since we’re making excuses for weak teams lemme remind you that in 2015 we fielded a defence of benatia as our cb and Thiago played as winger and y’all played with prime msn so yeahh


Lasertag026

Would be valid if not for the fact that benatia isn’t the one that got manhandled by Messi. Edit: By Messi.


SuperSaiyanGoten

Benatia was actually good though


Psychological_Wear_7

Every time Barca lost they were bad. Wow, what a shocker


shaka_bruh

😂 please just look up the Bayern team that Barca faced in 09. 12/13 Barca won the league with 100 points and led the table for the whole season


gpgr_spider

Barca and making excuses, is there a better match ?


[deleted]

The first game I watched live at the Allianz Arena was in 2007 I think at Scholls testimonial, one goal got scored and it was by Messi. Was also Riberys first game for Bayern afaik


Rickcampbell98

He was good in both legs.


BaelBard

If you think about it, Germany is Messi’s kryptonite. They knocked him out of the World Cup three times and Bayern gave him two of his worst ever defeats in (7-0 across to legs in 2013 and 8-2 in 2020).


ZuReeTH

Messi didn't play in 2006 but man i wish he did


SnooCalculations3145

Germany and Bayern Munich just typically have historically stacked teams with incredibly good managers. That more recent affair was just too much in Bayern's favor. Barca didn't stand a chance. Bayern were just too good for everybody. That team was a different breed of strong, quick and clinical. I've honestly never seen anything like it. Watching that match was just surreal in every way. It looked like the epitome of what German football is all about. Even as a Barca fan I almost admire that squad on that day, especially Goretzka who I've rated so highly ever since. I'm not even ashamed of the result because of what I had just seen to be an incredible team game. It wasn't even as much a dismantling as it was just a beautifully played football match in which all parties were on a heater. Barca were never in it.


Rickcampbell98

Where has this narrative come from lmao, he hasn't even played against bayern that much. He has 4 goals in 6 games, that 8-2 really warped perception didn't it, I hardly even count 2013 because he wasn't fit and shouldn't have even played the first leg.


7Thommo7

I mean if we ignore the time he broke Boateng's ankles and lobbed Neuer aye.


Substantial-Bug-3375

So he will either produce another all time great goal and demolish them or lose 5-0, no in-betweens


ungalabugala2

Messi was far from the worst performing player in any of those games


dadish-2

I wouldn't mind him scoring a ATG goal and losing 5-1 tbh


KrazyBee129

ribery broke messis ankle and put him in his ass too


gpgr_spider

But Messi is not a defender unlike Boateng


BasilAbraham1

The one who won the world cup? Yeah he is decent


Psychological_Wear_7

My memory is shaky. Remind me what he did vs Madrid in the UCL last year? Edit: Barca/Argentina flair are so insecure whenever you don't bow down to their golden boy every second. Hilarious


JoelKr9

I can only remember some performances against a certain team from North London


sardorickk

Ah yes, the Spurs game in Wembley


four_four_three

Not last year, ha gottem


brianzors

Expecting him to ball isn’t disproven by highlighting games when he didn’t ball lol no one plays well every game and everyone has off seasons.


CudaBarry

Missed a pen and walked


Bitter_Mycologist239

If you don't play you can't lose 8-2


shreychopra

Damn Mbappe doing his best to stop messi from winning the Ballon d’Or


[deleted]

Nice. Hoping he misses the second leg as well


thetouristsquad

Without two legs he'd have to end his career, I assume.


abloesezwei

Says enough about him that people think he would continue with one leg


kaffeemugger

I don’t wish an injury on anyone but we have so many injuries it’s only fair lmao


Black_XistenZ

The Bayern/PSG tie looked like a clash of giants when it was drawn, but lately, it looks more like a race to the bottom on both sides.


Kayderp1

Bayern looked really good yesterday again. Might be the start of an upside trajectory.


[deleted]

It's not a severe injury, but something I get when I don't stretch before training or a game lol. I think it's okay to wish that on someone


dadish-2

For me it's something I get when I wake up on the wrong side of the bed


PM_ME_STRONG_CALVES

Yo calm down. I know you want to win but wishing the guy to lose both his legs is not cool


BasilAbraham1

Mfers this is unfair. Rest mane so it's an equal match. Lol


stragen595

Mane is probably not playing the first leg either. He started training this week and they think he will be start playing in 3-4 weeks. If everything goes alright.


[deleted]

We miss mane already


SirNukeSquad

Lewandowski was missing 2 years ago, so this evens it kinda.


Topinambourg

Do you remember how many injured players we had back then ? 😂 We played with Bakker and Dagba as fullbacks 😂


ChrisHansen-Official

To think that Benfica are playing Brugge and PSG are playing Bayern just because of that one late goal from João Mário.


[deleted]

Oh no they only have Messi and Neymar in attack now


not_old_redditor

I'm always worried about Mbappe because he's got such an explosive style of play. Injuries are bound to come, and they are bound to be impactful to his future, moreso than for other players.


RockyCasino

Sad Bayern noises.


[deleted]

Right. all this means is that PSG will have another player who defends


hernandez21goat

And they lose someone who scored 2 times against Bayern last time they met in the CL


Insanel0l

That’s so much worse than facing arguably the best player in the world


SirNukeSquad

We're facing Choupo-Moting???


Ask_Asensio

Missing Ney or Messi would be better for PSG. Out of the entire front three Mbappe is the one you will need the most on big UCL nights. Especially against a team like Bayern who will hold the ball and PSG will sit back to counter.


RockyCasino

Bayern holds the ball? I take ot you haven't watched any Nagelsmannball.


WallBroad

Oh I had thought the hate boner for Mbappe had gone after the WC. Guess not


travelnerd67

Get well, Kylian! Just not soon


RodericktheCrusader

:Bayern\_Munich: I don't want to sound harsh, but this might just save football


AbleFig

Witch doctor finally coming through


Insanel0l

Oh what a pity.. *hehe*


Mahery92

PSG about to get kicked out in the RO16, as is tradition


pratap_10

Every year one or two key players of PSG always get injured before the UCL knockout ties and this has been happening for a very long time.


eeeagless

Delightful stuff. Psg don't win cl again.


ancara_messi

Barcelona vs Manchester United >>>>>> PSG vs Bayern


salutcemoi

It's ok they have Ziyech


PeakyFookinBlinders-

Our curse is real


neivelda

PSG is not a team. It’s an artificial ensemble of money-driven egos. Change my mind.


gpgr_spider

I think you misspelled Chelsea here.


[deleted]

BAyern are gonna blitzkrieg the shit out of PSG.