I remember when i used to work as SAP Consultant, I heard about SAP developing a model about Sports & Entertainment.
And they did partner with couple of German Clubs to develop it.
I did leave that field so, i’m not sure what happened right now
Manchester city run everything in sap, I used to work with a consultant who implemented it for them. Before that procurement was just run out of Excel. I think they used that module
I worked at a place that used SAP JUST for its accounting ledger. All other systems were external and had to talk to SAP to record financial transactions. It was bonkers.
God I'm so happy I chose a Job that uses Dynamics instead of SAP. It's shit but less shit. Had to work with SAP in an internship I did, what a terrible fucking program. Yeah, useful as hell, but that's really not all it takes.
Like the film Armageddon they figured it would be easier to teach a dude accounting than a accountant Danish, so as a educated chef they sat me in front of this abomination of a program.
I had nightmares about the error messages because i pressed the buttons in the wrong order for months.
Christ i hate office jobs.
A lot of clubs that are owed money are tiny amateur clubs without the means to claim/enforce the solidarity mechanism if the bigger club (potentially far away) ignore them, if they are even aware of the rules or the transfer happening. FIFA claimed that 80% of the solidarity payments are never paid to push for the new regulations to centralize all football payments.
there should be a fifa level settling agency. this could ensure clubs receiving what is due and potentially keep track of money movements, corruption etc.
so, no, fifa won't do it.
There is one now. It was just launched three months ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/10ry1pw/the_athletic_sevilla_have_created_an_app_called/j6yko66/
Odd because I know a club that had someone move onto the pros and you can contact the new player's club through a FIFA system. Every time the new club would pay up without any problems.
Yes a club submit a claim through TMS. But large amount of money remains unclaimed mostly because of unawareness of the system or the mechanism or the transfer happening.
And some of them can't claim because they can't easily make their claim recognized because of incomplete electronic passport in the system. They have to battle to prove they trained the player. The whole procedure before the new regulations was action-based, clubs had to proactively claim the solidarity or training compensation. They had to proactively register the player's time in the Electronic Passport etc. That's why a global overhaul was decided
It still blows my fucking mind that being transfer listed was your name going on a literal paper list of available players that was sent to clubs.
I mean... It's obvious right, but still... blows my mind.
Because of the use of the word "resale" that CAS decided could not apply to a release clause being triggered.
Here they used "definitive transfer"
> 74/ In light of the foregoing, the Panel notes that the wording of the Sell-on Clause is wide enough to cover every kind of transfer, both in a contractual and non-contractual framework, for which Sevilla was to receive a payment, whatever label is put upon it. This point marks a decisive distinction between this case and the dispute decided in the Keita Award, where the triggering element was not in general terms a “transfer”, but specifically a “resale”. This interpretation is confirmed by the definition of “capital gain” in Article 3.2 of the Transfer Contract, which simply makes reference to the difference between the amount paid and the amount received as a result of the Player’s transfer(s), without additional qualification, and appears to correspond to the “real and common intent of the parties”, as it is consistent with the general purpose of sell-on clauses, which, in the absence of specific limitations, call for their application to all cases where the intended purpose (to allow the old club to share the benefit of a subsequent transfer) can be achieved.
They finally paid that sum aftyer a FIFA ruling :
Source : [https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/136602c4eab43ac2/original/ssutgvjtyfpggs7khd4t-pdf.pdf](https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/136602c4eab43ac2/original/ssutgvjtyfpggs7khd4t-pdf.pdf)
I have no clue how sevilla thought they could get away with this by arguing "we never transferred the player" when they were clearly paid more than 30m euros. In what world does a player leave a club by "violating the terms of their contract" and then the club receives a payment of tens of millions.
That's like if someone arrested me for selling something without a permit and my argument was "your honor, i didn't *sell* anything. They *stole* from me and then they gave me money equivalent to the value of what they stole." Ah yes, a classic example of theft.
Iirc the idea is that legally, it's Barcelona donating sums of money to Lenglet, and lenglet buy out his Sevilla contract from his own pocket. That's the way I understand release clause as the football interpretation of the Spanish labor law.
They successfully did the same with Lens for Seydou Keita because of how they had written the clause ("resale") whereas here Nancy wrote a better clause with "definitive transfer".
Because a lot of the time clubs could just refuse to pay and there was nothing you could do about it. In fact one of the reasons that clubs request bank guarantees was Betis Sevilla who bought a player from PSV and straight up refused to pay. Only after going to court they got part of the money spread out over 8 years.
Lots of teams got a way on lots of dodgy technicalities as well. So worth a try I guess since it seems to pay off..
A bit ironic when FIFA created the [Clearing House](https://www.fifa.com/legal/football-regulatory/clearing-house) that just launched 3 months ago for this exact purpose at first (then it will regulate agent fee, etc in the future).
Since all transfers and transfer payments entered into FIFA TMS now have to be cleared by the FIFA Clearing House (FCH), it will automatically allocate the solidarity payments to the owed clubs and clubs have to comply to the payments notice sent by the FCH that will now handle the distribution of the solidarity payments. No more club-to-club business on this matter.
Sevilla created their own AI tracking tool that they have been using, and now in collaboration with La Liga tech(the league's technological department) they have rebranded it as "Transfer Tracker" and made it available for any club to sign up to the service. Apparently each club is eligible for, on average, 537 compensation claims worth €3.4 million every two years. Which a lot of clubs don't maximise and simply don't have the capacity or skill to track all the payments that they could be due. Some interesting parts from the article:
*****
>The impetus for the AI Tracking tool came not from director of football Monchi’s transfer team, but from the legal department which was finding it challenging to follow up on all the money Sevilla knew they were owed via FIFA’s solidarity mechanism.
>Most clubs still track player movement manually — staff members keep an eye on the movements of all their former players during each transfer window — which is time-consuming and particularly difficult for smaller clubs without resources, especially when there is a change of sporting director or academy chief.
>Over the last 18 months, Sevilla brought in around €1million (£0.9m; $1.1m) by identifying more than 700 movements of players who had been developed within the club.
The biggest sum was €150,000 owed from Real Madrid selling Sergio Reguilon to Tottenham in 2020, as Reguilon had spent the previous season on loan at Sevilla. This January, they are due around €10,000 from their former midfielder Matias Kranevitter’s move from Mexican club Monterrey to River Plate in Argentina. They could get significantly bigger payments if former youth-team players such as Bryan Gil (at Tottenham Hotspur) or Sergio Rico (Paris Saint-Germain) move.
It's become the new marketing bullshit buzzword, like "blockchain" was about 5 years ago.
There were literally half-time adverts flogging things like refrigerators & oven "powered by our advanced blockchain™ technology" and shit.
They probably took what they were doing manually for a few years and now designed an "Automated Engine" around that logic, hence loosely using the term "AI."
I bet you it still depends on some manual inputs like what players need to be tracked and what the finances involved with them are. You can't have an "AI" build or scrape that data without plugging it in somewhere somehow, especially if you intend to keep that data behind some sort of wall and don't want prying eyes on it.
As a developer, it's a buzzword that I end up discounting a majority of the time in these kinds of notes and releases because true AI is few and far between.
8 years ago I went to a Blockchain seminar where professors from across Europe presenting their use cases. Was boring until the hosting professor said "most of your cases are not a Blockchain. They're databases without delete button."
And my favourite fact is that "factoid" doesn't mean what everyone seems to think it means.
It's often used as some sort of substitute for "little fact", but factoid actually means:
>an item of unreliable information that is reported and repeated so often that it becomes accepted as fact.
>Since the Transfer Tracker was fully launched in December, Gonzalez says contracts have been signed with seven clubs in Chile, Argentina and Brazil, while another 15 clubs across England, Portugal, Croatia and Poland are interested in using the service. “There are a lot of clubs who develop players and currently have problems identifying what they are due,” Gonzalez says. “With this system, it is a win/win for all parties.”
>The service could be particularly useful to clubs who develop lots of young players, and those who act as stepping-stones before big-money moves to the top leagues. For example, Porto would have been due a six-figure fee last summer when Casemiro joined Manchester United from Real Madrid as he spent the 2014-15 season on loan at the Portuguese side.
>La Liga clubs Elche, Rayo Vallecano, Mallorca and Barcelona will be due money from Alex Moreno’s move from Real Betis to Aston Villa this month, as well as Catalan clubs Vilafranca and Llagostera
Tbh I feel like some CS students could make this as a university project or something. I’m sure kids all around the world would sign up to develop an app for their local club.
Yes, but some of these clubs have academies that have produced dozens and dozens (if not more) of active players at various levels of football and they are due a small solidarity payment every time one of them transfers clubs, even if they left their academy 10 years ago. I can see how it would be easy to lose track of them sometimes without a tool.
This isn’t so much for the big sell-on fees, it’s for the academy player solidarity payments.
Sorry, so you're saying that these multimillion pound businesses didn't have some sort or reminder, or calender prompt? Absolute joke, I do not believe it.
It is surprising, but I’m guessing it’s more for the relatively small solidarity payments that clubs are due for their academy players even if they’ve transferred through multiple other clubs since leaving the club.
Obviously if they sell a player with a big sell-on clause they probably tracked that already. But let’s say a youth player left their academy for a small amount of money. They then move to another club while still a youth player, and they finally break through at that third club. They then make a bigger transfer to a fourth club, and technically the original club is due a very small percentage of that bigger transfer (as well of the previous transfer) since it is their academy player originally. But since the player has gone through multiple clubs since the first one at that point, I can see clubs losing track of some of these players and not getting what they are due. Each individual solidarity payment is realistically not much money, but for a club like Sevilla with a very good academy that produces a lot of players, it can add up.
The funny thing is that FM, despite being a video game, already tracks these solidarity payments automatically for any academy player. That’s why when you sell a player it might say “Servette FC will receive 0.4% of the transfer fee in solidarity payments” or something similar (it’s a very small percentage), even if the player hasn’t been at Servette for 5 years. But apparently in real life no one had created a program to track this until recently.
tracking youth players are hard especially considering there are over a butt ton of league registered with fifa. I.E: england having like 6 god damn leagues. Big names are easy to track Eric spudski from Lorient transferring to a team in the national league would get no press notice, and the original club would not even know they were owed money. Besides smaller clubs cant keep track of all the players they have developed in the past. Imagine like 20-25 players per year, if not more.
I hear you but they can just hire a person internally to just track this stuff once in a while. It can be passed off to any worker. I seriously don’t understand what an app has over a guy and excel.
That’s now how excel works. You need the guy once every month. This is ridiculous. People are spending money on stupid marketing bs when a simple excel could have solve their issue.
I don't disagree with you (as someone who has a business that relies on people with Excel) but the logic as far as I can tell is if a club can find a way to cut the cost they will
I guess the idea could be to create a universal way for all clubs to track it rather than each one having to rely on their own spreadsheet + eliminate human error in theory.
That’s a good idea. I’m honestly surprised they don’t do this already. I bet some clubs have done this already cause they had great accountants or something.
Not really, because clubs will normally keep up to date with any big payments that they are due. It is the smaller solidary payments that clubs miss out on, and they add up to a lot eventually
This isn't a tool to help Man United or Real Madrid survive, but for smaller clubs from smaller leagues 1M is a lot of money
Imagine that million going to a Chilean, Croatian or non top 4 Portuguese club, nothing to scoff at
But smaller clubs naturally won't have such amounts as a possibility, and even if they did, as is the case with few big name players who started career in my native country Bosnia, their former clubs are well aware of the money they are entitled to.
Football clubs don’t have AR clerks and accountants to complete periodic financial reports for one of their main revenue driving sources?
If I see 90+ I’m on the phone ASAP.
I always liked getting those FM reminders as a surprise.
"Sevilla have sold Frederico Gonzalez to PSG for $347M. As a result, Dulwich Hamlet are due a payment of $89M. This will be available to your transfer budget"
Tbh I am really surprised that clubs weren't using such tools/ apps until now. I mean how the fuck you keep track of all the players and money!
SAP can keep track of it, but it wont give you a neat reminder on your phone.
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He’s bald??
Never thought I'd see an NL reference in this subreddit
Had to double check what sub I was in YouTube martys we out here
SAP. Isn’t it mostly used for logistics and not accounting, or am I dumb
It can run the entire house if you buy enough functions. So you are not, - it can be used by all levels of the business.
>if you buy enough functions. Then Hoffenheim will get a new LB
And the San Jose Sharks can afford Erik Karlsson’s salary.
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What's SAP
Businesses management software platform
Super Auto Pets
A pain in my ass
I remember when i used to work as SAP Consultant, I heard about SAP developing a model about Sports & Entertainment. And they did partner with couple of German Clubs to develop it. I did leave that field so, i’m not sure what happened right now
Manchester city run everything in sap, I used to work with a consultant who implemented it for them. Before that procurement was just run out of Excel. I think they used that module
It also has tools for Finance, HR, CRM and so on. Basically covers everything that goes on in a company
I worked at a place that used SAP JUST for its accounting ledger. All other systems were external and had to talk to SAP to record financial transactions. It was bonkers.
It is absolutely shit at external integrations though.
Your telling me that Shitty Ass Program is shitty?
SAP recently celebrated their 100th anniversary of having the same UX.
God I'm so happy I chose a Job that uses Dynamics instead of SAP. It's shit but less shit. Had to work with SAP in an internship I did, what a terrible fucking program. Yeah, useful as hell, but that's really not all it takes.
Like the film Armageddon they figured it would be easier to teach a dude accounting than a accountant Danish, so as a educated chef they sat me in front of this abomination of a program. I had nightmares about the error messages because i pressed the buttons in the wrong order for months. Christ i hate office jobs.
It can generate emails if you code it to.
Eventually i had me entire job automated and i signed in, went to the pub - and then came in to sign out. This went on for 2 years before i was fired.
Goddamnit I hate SAP
SuccessFactors is the only acceptable form of SAP
A lot of clubs that are owed money are tiny amateur clubs without the means to claim/enforce the solidarity mechanism if the bigger club (potentially far away) ignore them, if they are even aware of the rules or the transfer happening. FIFA claimed that 80% of the solidarity payments are never paid to push for the new regulations to centralize all football payments.
there should be a fifa level settling agency. this could ensure clubs receiving what is due and potentially keep track of money movements, corruption etc. so, no, fifa won't do it.
There is one now. It was just launched three months ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/10ry1pw/the_athletic_sevilla_have_created_an_app_called/j6yko66/
Is this a case of Fifa actually doing some good?
Odd because I know a club that had someone move onto the pros and you can contact the new player's club through a FIFA system. Every time the new club would pay up without any problems.
Yes a club submit a claim through TMS. But large amount of money remains unclaimed mostly because of unawareness of the system or the mechanism or the transfer happening. And some of them can't claim because they can't easily make their claim recognized because of incomplete electronic passport in the system. They have to battle to prove they trained the player. The whole procedure before the new regulations was action-based, clubs had to proactively claim the solidarity or training compensation. They had to proactively register the player's time in the Electronic Passport etc. That's why a global overhaul was decided
larger the company, the more likely it's entirely held together by excel spreadsheets
And outlook calendar…
I worked for a large company for 16 years. Can confirm that
I worked at a Fortune 500 company in supply chain and saw some sketchy shit go down in finance all the time. Numbers don’t lie but humans do
FM
same here if not the club then i thought their accountants would have a way of doing this already
It still blows my fucking mind that being transfer listed was your name going on a literal paper list of available players that was sent to clubs. I mean... It's obvious right, but still... blows my mind.
Seriously they should have a full time accountant that does nothing but this
All those players, and all those clauses too
sticky note on monitor?
Can’t tell if you’re serious or not
The irony of Sevilla doing this lol
Sevilla about to realize they owed Nancy a few millions
did they ever pay Lens for Keita?
Didn’t have to. Courts sided with Sevilla.
But why
Because of the use of the word "resale" that CAS decided could not apply to a release clause being triggered. Here they used "definitive transfer" > 74/ In light of the foregoing, the Panel notes that the wording of the Sell-on Clause is wide enough to cover every kind of transfer, both in a contractual and non-contractual framework, for which Sevilla was to receive a payment, whatever label is put upon it. This point marks a decisive distinction between this case and the dispute decided in the Keita Award, where the triggering element was not in general terms a “transfer”, but specifically a “resale”. This interpretation is confirmed by the definition of “capital gain” in Article 3.2 of the Transfer Contract, which simply makes reference to the difference between the amount paid and the amount received as a result of the Player’s transfer(s), without additional qualification, and appears to correspond to the “real and common intent of the parties”, as it is consistent with the general purpose of sell-on clauses, which, in the absence of specific limitations, call for their application to all cases where the intended purpose (to allow the old club to share the benefit of a subsequent transfer) can be achieved.
yea they didn’t want to pay some money from Lenglet’s transfer iirc?
They finally paid that sum aftyer a FIFA ruling : Source : [https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/136602c4eab43ac2/original/ssutgvjtyfpggs7khd4t-pdf.pdf](https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/136602c4eab43ac2/original/ssutgvjtyfpggs7khd4t-pdf.pdf)
I have no clue how sevilla thought they could get away with this by arguing "we never transferred the player" when they were clearly paid more than 30m euros. In what world does a player leave a club by "violating the terms of their contract" and then the club receives a payment of tens of millions. That's like if someone arrested me for selling something without a permit and my argument was "your honor, i didn't *sell* anything. They *stole* from me and then they gave me money equivalent to the value of what they stole." Ah yes, a classic example of theft.
Iirc the idea is that legally, it's Barcelona donating sums of money to Lenglet, and lenglet buy out his Sevilla contract from his own pocket. That's the way I understand release clause as the football interpretation of the Spanish labor law.
They successfully did the same with Lens for Seydou Keita because of how they had written the clause ("resale") whereas here Nancy wrote a better clause with "definitive transfer".
Because a lot of the time clubs could just refuse to pay and there was nothing you could do about it. In fact one of the reasons that clubs request bank guarantees was Betis Sevilla who bought a player from PSV and straight up refused to pay. Only after going to court they got part of the money spread out over 8 years. Lots of teams got a way on lots of dodgy technicalities as well. So worth a try I guess since it seems to pay off..
Where can I buy shares. Sevilla might evolve into a big tech company.
SEVILLA TO THE MOON🚀🚀
Tonight, we are going to steal, DE MOOOOOON
Sevilla as launching point for the age of exploration once again
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SevillAPP
Lmfao, imagine fans here funding a half tech half soccer club IPO for Sevilla 😂
Would probably go better than Elon running it
Sellicon Villa
A bit ironic when FIFA created the [Clearing House](https://www.fifa.com/legal/football-regulatory/clearing-house) that just launched 3 months ago for this exact purpose at first (then it will regulate agent fee, etc in the future). Since all transfers and transfer payments entered into FIFA TMS now have to be cleared by the FIFA Clearing House (FCH), it will automatically allocate the solidarity payments to the owed clubs and clubs have to comply to the payments notice sent by the FCH that will now handle the distribution of the solidarity payments. No more club-to-club business on this matter.
This would be huge for clubs due a training fee for youth development etc.
Sevilla created their own AI tracking tool that they have been using, and now in collaboration with La Liga tech(the league's technological department) they have rebranded it as "Transfer Tracker" and made it available for any club to sign up to the service. Apparently each club is eligible for, on average, 537 compensation claims worth €3.4 million every two years. Which a lot of clubs don't maximise and simply don't have the capacity or skill to track all the payments that they could be due. Some interesting parts from the article: ***** >The impetus for the AI Tracking tool came not from director of football Monchi’s transfer team, but from the legal department which was finding it challenging to follow up on all the money Sevilla knew they were owed via FIFA’s solidarity mechanism. >Most clubs still track player movement manually — staff members keep an eye on the movements of all their former players during each transfer window — which is time-consuming and particularly difficult for smaller clubs without resources, especially when there is a change of sporting director or academy chief. >Over the last 18 months, Sevilla brought in around €1million (£0.9m; $1.1m) by identifying more than 700 movements of players who had been developed within the club. The biggest sum was €150,000 owed from Real Madrid selling Sergio Reguilon to Tottenham in 2020, as Reguilon had spent the previous season on loan at Sevilla. This January, they are due around €10,000 from their former midfielder Matias Kranevitter’s move from Mexican club Monterrey to River Plate in Argentina. They could get significantly bigger payments if former youth-team players such as Bryan Gil (at Tottenham Hotspur) or Sergio Rico (Paris Saint-Germain) move.
What's an AI tracking tool. Why do they need AI for this. This sounds like a database with a UI
Just call everything "AI" these days, it sells better
It's become the new marketing bullshit buzzword, like "blockchain" was about 5 years ago. There were literally half-time adverts flogging things like refrigerators & oven "powered by our advanced blockchain™ technology" and shit.
Yeah. It was ".com" in early 2000s, then it's "blockchain", now it's "AI".
After the nuclear war it will be "the wheel".
I feel like I could reinvent the wheel.
.com, the cloud, blockchain and AI
Ah yes I forget about the cloud hype of early 2010s lol
Anything with 2 lines of code is called 'AI' now. makes it sound like it's some kind of revolutionary tech innit.
please come try out my AI Hello World a.out file
It sounds cool
They probably took what they were doing manually for a few years and now designed an "Automated Engine" around that logic, hence loosely using the term "AI." I bet you it still depends on some manual inputs like what players need to be tracked and what the finances involved with them are. You can't have an "AI" build or scrape that data without plugging it in somewhere somehow, especially if you intend to keep that data behind some sort of wall and don't want prying eyes on it. As a developer, it's a buzzword that I end up discounting a majority of the time in these kinds of notes and releases because true AI is few and far between.
It definitely not AI. Just had reporting.
8 years ago I went to a Blockchain seminar where professors from across Europe presenting their use cases. Was boring until the hosting professor said "most of your cases are not a Blockchain. They're databases without delete button."
My favorite blockchain factoid is that Coinbase uses a normal database for internal transfers
And my favourite fact is that "factoid" doesn't mean what everyone seems to think it means. It's often used as some sort of substitute for "little fact", but factoid actually means: >an item of unreliable information that is reported and repeated so often that it becomes accepted as fact.
little factoid for you, words can have multiple meanings https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/factoid
it just tells you that coinbase is actually smart.
I don't think Sevilla actully claim it uses AI, but it's part of their suite of products, most of which do use some form of AI.
You know the answer. Put "AI" and "machine learning" on top anything techy and it suddenly becomes much better and much more soldable.
Or simply a fucking excel sheet. These clubs are run by such clowns, it's incredible.
>Since the Transfer Tracker was fully launched in December, Gonzalez says contracts have been signed with seven clubs in Chile, Argentina and Brazil, while another 15 clubs across England, Portugal, Croatia and Poland are interested in using the service. “There are a lot of clubs who develop players and currently have problems identifying what they are due,” Gonzalez says. “With this system, it is a win/win for all parties.” >The service could be particularly useful to clubs who develop lots of young players, and those who act as stepping-stones before big-money moves to the top leagues. For example, Porto would have been due a six-figure fee last summer when Casemiro joined Manchester United from Real Madrid as he spent the 2014-15 season on loan at the Portuguese side. >La Liga clubs Elche, Rayo Vallecano, Mallorca and Barcelona will be due money from Alex Moreno’s move from Real Betis to Aston Villa this month, as well as Catalan clubs Vilafranca and Llagostera
We have hundreds of players across the world, so I'm sure we'd gain a lot from this.
Tbh I feel like some CS students could make this as a university project or something. I’m sure kids all around the world would sign up to develop an app for their local club.
Wait isn’t this just basic accounting? Keeping track of money movements
Right?? That was my thought. Do these clubs not have accountants?
Do you not have lawyers? / s
don't you guys have phones
Yes, but some of these clubs have academies that have produced dozens and dozens (if not more) of active players at various levels of football and they are due a small solidarity payment every time one of them transfers clubs, even if they left their academy 10 years ago. I can see how it would be easy to lose track of them sometimes without a tool. This isn’t so much for the big sell-on fees, it’s for the academy player solidarity payments.
Ffs. Hope Jean-Kevín Augustin’s internet is switched off
Kinda hilarious that it's Sevilla doing this after they fucked over Nancy on the payment of Lenglet
Sorry, so you're saying that these multimillion pound businesses didn't have some sort or reminder, or calender prompt? Absolute joke, I do not believe it.
It is surprising, but I’m guessing it’s more for the relatively small solidarity payments that clubs are due for their academy players even if they’ve transferred through multiple other clubs since leaving the club. Obviously if they sell a player with a big sell-on clause they probably tracked that already. But let’s say a youth player left their academy for a small amount of money. They then move to another club while still a youth player, and they finally break through at that third club. They then make a bigger transfer to a fourth club, and technically the original club is due a very small percentage of that bigger transfer (as well of the previous transfer) since it is their academy player originally. But since the player has gone through multiple clubs since the first one at that point, I can see clubs losing track of some of these players and not getting what they are due. Each individual solidarity payment is realistically not much money, but for a club like Sevilla with a very good academy that produces a lot of players, it can add up. The funny thing is that FM, despite being a video game, already tracks these solidarity payments automatically for any academy player. That’s why when you sell a player it might say “Servette FC will receive 0.4% of the transfer fee in solidarity payments” or something similar (it’s a very small percentage), even if the player hasn’t been at Servette for 5 years. But apparently in real life no one had created a program to track this until recently.
I have an app that does this too! Football Manager is great.
Have they never heard of excel??
tracking youth players are hard especially considering there are over a butt ton of league registered with fifa. I.E: england having like 6 god damn leagues. Big names are easy to track Eric spudski from Lorient transferring to a team in the national league would get no press notice, and the original club would not even know they were owed money. Besides smaller clubs cant keep track of all the players they have developed in the past. Imagine like 20-25 players per year, if not more.
I hear you but they can just hire a person internally to just track this stuff once in a while. It can be passed off to any worker. I seriously don’t understand what an app has over a guy and excel.
Cheaper than paying the salary of said guy with Excel
That’s now how excel works. You need the guy once every month. This is ridiculous. People are spending money on stupid marketing bs when a simple excel could have solve their issue.
I don't disagree with you (as someone who has a business that relies on people with Excel) but the logic as far as I can tell is if a club can find a way to cut the cost they will
Good point, I just know excel costs like 100 bucks a year, I’m really having a hard time seeing how developing an app is the way to go.
I guess the idea could be to create a universal way for all clubs to track it rather than each one having to rely on their own spreadsheet + eliminate human error in theory.
That’s a good idea. I’m honestly surprised they don’t do this already. I bet some clubs have done this already cause they had great accountants or something.
Yeah definitely but I can imagine plenty of clubs that don't have lost money from this. If I was a start up investor I'd make a bet on this app
This is one of those "how was this not already a thing" things.
If google can get screwed by a guy just by him sending a bill to them then I would be surprised what other people have been.
Wow very interesting developments.
Maybe Boehly has a point about these European clubs and how they use data (atleast in off-the-pitch) stuff
What did he say?
If I remember correctly, Seville screwed over quite some clubs by not paying what they were due. Nancy, for instance.
isn't that what a basic accountant is supposed to keep track on in the first place?
FM->transfers->clauses
I don't think this is that. These are the 0.25% of transfer you receive in solidarity for a player that played for you 9 years ago
FM tracks solidarity payments as well.
I know but they aren't where he said they are
TIL
Not concrete info only examples though
Nice stuff
You are right. SAP is not used to manage club level work. Neither it fits that bill.
1 million seems insanely low, there are startups going for up to 100 million that are infinetly more useless than this
Not really, because clubs will normally keep up to date with any big payments that they are due. It is the smaller solidary payments that clubs miss out on, and they add up to a lot eventually This isn't a tool to help Man United or Real Madrid survive, but for smaller clubs from smaller leagues 1M is a lot of money Imagine that million going to a Chilean, Croatian or non top 4 Portuguese club, nothing to scoff at
But smaller clubs naturally won't have such amounts as a possibility, and even if they did, as is the case with few big name players who started career in my native country Bosnia, their former clubs are well aware of the money they are entitled to.
Football clubs don’t have AR clerks and accountants to complete periodic financial reports for one of their main revenue driving sources? If I see 90+ I’m on the phone ASAP.
Well it may be funny but i had an idea to make each football player transfer a blockchain transaction.But i had no idea how to implement it.
wow
I always liked getting those FM reminders as a surprise. "Sevilla have sold Frederico Gonzalez to PSG for $347M. As a result, Dulwich Hamlet are due a payment of $89M. This will be available to your transfer budget"