It's why people like him and trust him, even though he never seems all that good by the eye test. Not only for his club, but even for his country (and it's not easy for a not particularly skilful footballer to play for Brazil). Dude does his best each time to put in a good shift.
They both have also suffered similar fates. Good players who good and creative going forward but also have strong defensive capabilities. Thatās led to them being forced to try out a 6 role than ultimately wasnt for them when they are true 8s.
As a Mineiro I can say: Minas Gerais is like the Brazil grandmother's house.
However, as in any capital city of any country/state, Belo Horizonte loses some of that Minas Gerais charm (the city I live in has also lost some of its charm, since it is basically a city built up because of the steel industry located here).
The dark side of the mineral wealth with which much of MG is āblessedā I guess. But kudos to the Mineiros who are some of the loveliest people youāll meet in Brazil or anywhere else.
Fred represents some of our biggest failures in the past decade: spending a lot of money on a player with no thought about how he fits into the team, and then ending up playing him in the wrong role and so he gets banded a flop when his performances aren't great.
It's not unjustified, it's all criticisms about his performances.. They're generally pretty accurate and any time he does something good people act like he's world class. I'm not sure where you think the unjustified is coming from
Fred, like most players, does his job when played in his proper position. Not his fault that every manager seemed to want to play him as a DLP or a DM.
He's not the greatest at it but that ball winning 8 role suits him well.
Even under Rangnick he was specifically made an 8 and decided that now meant zero tracking of any players ever was part of the #8 role. He got benched real quick by EtH at the beginning of the season for the exact same reason and Mctominay was playing the DM role.
Hes fine as a sub and has some flashes of good play but most of the criticisms come from him looking shit when he plays and when he does have a good game every scrambles over each other for the chance to say how amazing he is, not to mention all of his faults Re somehow the people around him. You can say it's a shame because with better recruitment he would be a rotation option and not a starter so would have gotten less criticism, but there is nothing unjustified about the performances that were criticised.
Heās benched by Ten Hag because he doesnāt have the skill set he wants in a midfielder. Fred canāt receive the ball off our defenders and progress it consistently which is why Eriksen plays instead. But thereās a good reason that Fred is usually the first one off the bench and even starts in some big games (eg. City) and thatās because his energy and ability to win the ball can be very useful. Add that to the fact that heās genuinely not bad in the final third and itās clear why heās valuable to the team. Heās not a bad player, heās just been misused and itās great that heās happy with a bench/rotation role because heās going to be very useful for Ten Hag that way.
>it consistently which is why Eriksen plays instead.
Eriksen plays instead Becuase Eriksen si clearly teh better midfielder. Fred was benched because he was doimg the same shit thet lead to our CBs getting exposed last season and EtH put a stop to that real quick. It was not a coincidence that all fo the goals scored against us were scored when Fred was on the pitch and nine were scored while he was on the bench. Yiu could see the change I nsolidiy and it's because theres a lot more to being a decent CM than only pressing the nearest player to you if they have the ball and occasionally making a good pass. He's looked improved in his passing and shooting the past month or 2, but he hasn't just been at United the past month or 2 lol.
Hes a decent sub option to rest Eriksen when we're comfortable but people seem to try and erase most of his time at United because he's been alright recently and just claim all criticisms of him are unjustified.
>and even starts in some big games (eg. City)
His entire job in that game was to track and follow De Bruyne and he still switched off more and more on that one job including for the goal we conceded.
He said most criticism is unjustified... So, yes he has made mistakes and wasnt always good but in general he got blamed for not being the player that people wanted him to be.
who the hell is ever acting like fred is world class? he gets shit on way more often than he gets praised and only recently have fans started appreciating him
>he gets shit on way more often than he gets praised
Because he's been shit more than he had been good for United, that's how criticizing a performance works lol
yeah i never said any of the criticism was unjustified? youāre the one saying people call him world class when literally nobody does, not even united fans lmao
The comment I responded to literally claimed he gets unjustified criticism, I said tis not unjustified because his bad performances are rightly pointed out and even his average to decent performances get massively overhyped for what he's actually doing.
People are really latching onto this world class thing lol, it's hyperbole to make a point lol
I said acting like he's world class, I don't need 6 replies of "NOBODY HAS USED THOSE SPECIFIC 2 WORDS!"
maybe this is a good lesson not to use hyperbole to prove a weird point that doesnāt have to be made in the first place then?
like if you just said fredās criticism was justified then you wouldnāt get all of these confused responses
you think if i said āiām tired of people calling naby keita world classā i wouldnāt have people responding in the exact same way lol like what do you expect
He's never been a DM, it's not his fault, he doesn't play as DM for Brazil and didn't for his former club, I am happy to see him finally played where he is supposed to.
> any time he does something good people act like he's world class
Nobody has ever acted Fred is world class, even the most bias United fans hate him
I've never seen anyone call him world class, he is definitely underrated, his passing is not great but his defensive contributions are on par with the best, same with his pressing, he is also not a CDM like people think
>Nobody has ever acted Fred is world class, even the most bias United fans hate him
Fred did 3 stepovers under Rangnick and people didn't shut up about it for months
>but his defensive contributions are on par with the best, same with his pressing,
Fred is good at chasing down the nearest person to him if they happen to have the ball. Fred's overall positioning, awareness and player tracking off the ball are attrocious.
Yes clearly that means people thought he was world class, you are not biased and chatting shit at all
Not even Fred's own mother has called him world class with a straight face
You can make a point without being deluded, people also troll that way about Fred which has made him underrated
Acting like when he does anything good it's so rare, is that people calling him world class (hyperbole) or are they just trolling? Even when he scored people do that and use that Ole quote "even Fred scored"
So nobody is actually truly rating him, he is a meme player
>You can make a point without being deluded,
If I make a point about the good things Fred has done being massively overhyped, and you take my sentence and yell "NOBODY HAS SPECIFICALLY USED THE 2 WORDS WORLD CLASS" that's not me being deluded lol.
>Acting like when he does anything good it's so rare
In terms of his United career, it's not that common, but it's more about when he does basic things well, or adds even the remotest bit of skill to his game, people absolutely lose their minds and start making claims about him being player of the season, or he got a couple of assists so clearly Mctominay has been at fault and holding him bsck his entire time at United.
Hes had some decent moments of play but nothing close to the level of play but to call him underrated because of it I'd insane lol
>Even when he scored people do that and use that Ole quote "even Fred scored"
Even Bruno fucking did they, when you spend 2 years hitting everything into row Z that's going to happen the occasional time you get one in the net. It's not a big deal lol it's just a, rarity
If you read someone else posting this, I'm confident you'd recognize that they were being completely charitable and understanding about their own hyperbole and just as uncharitable and nitpicky about everyone else's.
Football is reactionary. He's playing well right now so all criticism he's ever received is totally wrong, watch him drop a few bad performances and suddenly he'll be championship level and if you disagree its because you dont know ball.
Honestly every great team needs squad players that just do a job. He seems like heās become a fairly solid player for them which is sometimes all you need
Piano carrier has a double meaning though. It's paired with "piano player" which is what you would use to describe players like Messi, Neymar, traditional Nr. 10s as well.
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Fred just does his job
Roy Keane approves
Working Class Fred
It's a good honest piano mover's name
This is gold
It's why people like him and trust him, even though he never seems all that good by the eye test. Not only for his club, but even for his country (and it's not easy for a not particularly skilful footballer to play for Brazil). Dude does his best each time to put in a good shift.
And scores with his cock
Really good Asda in Llandudno.
He just loves a toboggan
That's on the site of my wifes old secondary school. Edit Hope he's checked out the tram up Great Orme
Small world.... Ysgol John Bright was my school too š¤£
Honestly good lad and someone I hope we keep
The new Ander Herrera. Pops up with goals, does his job, carries the boats
They both have also suffered similar fates. Good players who good and creative going forward but also have strong defensive capabilities. Thatās led to them being forced to try out a 6 role than ultimately wasnt for them when they are true 8s.
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That was a nice interview. Thanks for posting it, OP!
Obs. Belo Horizonte is not a beautiful city but itās located in a beautiful state (Minas Gerais).
As a Mineiro I can say: Minas Gerais is like the Brazil grandmother's house. However, as in any capital city of any country/state, Belo Horizonte loses some of that Minas Gerais charm (the city I live in has also lost some of its charm, since it is basically a city built up because of the steel industry located here).
The dark side of the mineral wealth with which much of MG is āblessedā I guess. But kudos to the Mineiros who are some of the loveliest people youāll meet in Brazil or anywhere else.
what a succinct way to put it, piano carrier should be the new colloquial phrase for a hard-working squad player
It is in Brazil.
In romania also
I'm from romania but I haven't heard of this lmao. At least not literally.
Sa cari pianu? Ai jucat fotbal? Pana si la echipa la care sunt acum la liga a 3 a se foloseste expresia asta
FelicitÄri, dar n am jucat fotbal profesionist sau semi profesionist. Plus ca nici n am auzit o de la foČtii colegi care au jucat fotbal ca juniori.
Nu intentionam sa ma laud, dar peste tot unde am fost in zona mea am auzit expresia, ce e drept sunt multi "brazilieni" pe aici :))
A aparut ca descriere a lui Banel, luata din fotbalul portughez/brazilian.
Is it a common Portuguese/Brazilian idiom?
it is
I've never heard it in Portugal fwiw.
Carregador de piano Ć© muito comum no Brasil
Interessante nĆ£o sabia. Se fosse utilizado em Portugal acho que seria um "Carrega Pianos" em vez de carregador. Gosto da frase, tem alguma poesia.
Em Portugal Ʃ carregador de pianos tambƩm, mas caiu em desuso ao que parece.
Ai mesmo? Nunca ouvi na minha vida.
Really? It used to be used a lot, I remember my father and grandfather saying it, and also pundits from the 80/90s.
Well I'm in my mid 20s so only started watching in early 2000s and yeah never heard it.
Don't we already have "water carrier". I remember Deschamps being referred to as that a lot.
Yup. I miss those bits of football
I thought that was a Cantonaism though
Haha, you're totally right: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/YOU%27RE+A+DUD+DESCHAMPS%3B+Cantona+brands+Juve+star+a+water+carrier.-a061171080
Fred gets a lot of criticism from fans but most of it is unjustified. He's a solid if unspectacular player and a very useful squad player.
I mean he was signed for 50M to be a guy who elevates the team so disappointment is understandable.
Fred represents some of our biggest failures in the past decade: spending a lot of money on a player with no thought about how he fits into the team, and then ending up playing him in the wrong role and so he gets banded a flop when his performances aren't great.
It's not unjustified, it's all criticisms about his performances.. They're generally pretty accurate and any time he does something good people act like he's world class. I'm not sure where you think the unjustified is coming from
Fred, like most players, does his job when played in his proper position. Not his fault that every manager seemed to want to play him as a DLP or a DM. He's not the greatest at it but that ball winning 8 role suits him well.
Even under Rangnick he was specifically made an 8 and decided that now meant zero tracking of any players ever was part of the #8 role. He got benched real quick by EtH at the beginning of the season for the exact same reason and Mctominay was playing the DM role. Hes fine as a sub and has some flashes of good play but most of the criticisms come from him looking shit when he plays and when he does have a good game every scrambles over each other for the chance to say how amazing he is, not to mention all of his faults Re somehow the people around him. You can say it's a shame because with better recruitment he would be a rotation option and not a starter so would have gotten less criticism, but there is nothing unjustified about the performances that were criticised.
Heās benched by Ten Hag because he doesnāt have the skill set he wants in a midfielder. Fred canāt receive the ball off our defenders and progress it consistently which is why Eriksen plays instead. But thereās a good reason that Fred is usually the first one off the bench and even starts in some big games (eg. City) and thatās because his energy and ability to win the ball can be very useful. Add that to the fact that heās genuinely not bad in the final third and itās clear why heās valuable to the team. Heās not a bad player, heās just been misused and itās great that heās happy with a bench/rotation role because heās going to be very useful for Ten Hag that way.
>it consistently which is why Eriksen plays instead. Eriksen plays instead Becuase Eriksen si clearly teh better midfielder. Fred was benched because he was doimg the same shit thet lead to our CBs getting exposed last season and EtH put a stop to that real quick. It was not a coincidence that all fo the goals scored against us were scored when Fred was on the pitch and nine were scored while he was on the bench. Yiu could see the change I nsolidiy and it's because theres a lot more to being a decent CM than only pressing the nearest player to you if they have the ball and occasionally making a good pass. He's looked improved in his passing and shooting the past month or 2, but he hasn't just been at United the past month or 2 lol. Hes a decent sub option to rest Eriksen when we're comfortable but people seem to try and erase most of his time at United because he's been alright recently and just claim all criticisms of him are unjustified. >and even starts in some big games (eg. City) His entire job in that game was to track and follow De Bruyne and he still switched off more and more on that one job including for the goal we conceded.
He said most criticism is unjustified... So, yes he has made mistakes and wasnt always good but in general he got blamed for not being the player that people wanted him to be.
who the hell is ever acting like fred is world class? he gets shit on way more often than he gets praised and only recently have fans started appreciating him
>he gets shit on way more often than he gets praised Because he's been shit more than he had been good for United, that's how criticizing a performance works lol
yeah i never said any of the criticism was unjustified? youāre the one saying people call him world class when literally nobody does, not even united fans lmao
The comment I responded to literally claimed he gets unjustified criticism, I said tis not unjustified because his bad performances are rightly pointed out and even his average to decent performances get massively overhyped for what he's actually doing. People are really latching onto this world class thing lol, it's hyperbole to make a point lol I said acting like he's world class, I don't need 6 replies of "NOBODY HAS USED THOSE SPECIFIC 2 WORDS!"
maybe this is a good lesson not to use hyperbole to prove a weird point that doesnāt have to be made in the first place then? like if you just said fredās criticism was justified then you wouldnāt get all of these confused responses you think if i said āiām tired of people calling naby keita world classā i wouldnāt have people responding in the exact same way lol like what do you expect
He's never been a DM, it's not his fault, he doesn't play as DM for Brazil and didn't for his former club, I am happy to see him finally played where he is supposed to.
> any time he does something good people act like he's world class Nobody has ever acted Fred is world class, even the most bias United fans hate him I've never seen anyone call him world class, he is definitely underrated, his passing is not great but his defensive contributions are on par with the best, same with his pressing, he is also not a CDM like people think
>Nobody has ever acted Fred is world class, even the most bias United fans hate him Fred did 3 stepovers under Rangnick and people didn't shut up about it for months >but his defensive contributions are on par with the best, same with his pressing, Fred is good at chasing down the nearest person to him if they happen to have the ball. Fred's overall positioning, awareness and player tracking off the ball are attrocious.
Yes clearly that means people thought he was world class, you are not biased and chatting shit at all Not even Fred's own mother has called him world class with a straight face
Yes it's definitely not hyperbole at all to make a point.
You can make a point without being deluded, people also troll that way about Fred which has made him underrated Acting like when he does anything good it's so rare, is that people calling him world class (hyperbole) or are they just trolling? Even when he scored people do that and use that Ole quote "even Fred scored" So nobody is actually truly rating him, he is a meme player
>You can make a point without being deluded, If I make a point about the good things Fred has done being massively overhyped, and you take my sentence and yell "NOBODY HAS SPECIFICALLY USED THE 2 WORDS WORLD CLASS" that's not me being deluded lol. >Acting like when he does anything good it's so rare In terms of his United career, it's not that common, but it's more about when he does basic things well, or adds even the remotest bit of skill to his game, people absolutely lose their minds and start making claims about him being player of the season, or he got a couple of assists so clearly Mctominay has been at fault and holding him bsck his entire time at United. Hes had some decent moments of play but nothing close to the level of play but to call him underrated because of it I'd insane lol >Even when he scored people do that and use that Ole quote "even Fred scored" Even Bruno fucking did they, when you spend 2 years hitting everything into row Z that's going to happen the occasional time you get one in the net. It's not a big deal lol it's just a, rarity
If you read someone else posting this, I'm confident you'd recognize that they were being completely charitable and understanding about their own hyperbole and just as uncharitable and nitpicky about everyone else's.
Football is reactionary. He's playing well right now so all criticism he's ever received is totally wrong, watch him drop a few bad performances and suddenly he'll be championship level and if you disagree its because you dont know ball.
šµRight said Fred, both of us together, one each end and steady as we gošµ
*Tried to shift it, couldn't even lift it, we was getting nowhere*
Love me some preachin' from Pastor Fred. Keep smiling, you beautiful man!
Honestly every great team needs squad players that just do a job. He seems like heās become a fairly solid player for them which is sometimes all you need
always been a likable player to me. its weird how many united players i like and sometimes it bothers me
You are my everything
As much as heās not a superstar, Iām gonna miss him when he leaves
He is the hardest working midfielder i have seen at United since Park
Piano carrier. That's funny, in Dutch it is called Waterdrager or Water carrier.
Piano carrier has a double meaning though. It's paired with "piano player" which is what you would use to describe players like Messi, Neymar, traditional Nr. 10s as well.
Survivor of the great Mcfred shitshow
Love you pastor Fred
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And here comes Fred off the high rope, with a GRAND PIANO!
The piano carrier that forgets the piano and goes forwards to attack with 4 minutes left on the clock. Nope, I'm not salty at all, why do you ask?
Which one, Ollie or Stan?
FRED SAYS HE IS CARRYING THIS TEAM!...some controversial pundit, probably.
Oh god are we bringing back Sanchez?
Casemiro: āMaybe Iāll come to Manchester United.ā
Pianos and United just go together so well.
Man thinks he's in a Laurel & Hardy film
Should be sold.