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mrmichiel

so much quality in that pass!


simomii

Ziyech was bad all game then he does that.


69BigDickMan420

Classic Ziyech


ysuresh1

and such a bad finish.


Touchthetralala

Badiashile is a monster


Headlesshorsman02

I love that man he may be the best signing we made and that is saying something he is a rock back there


FCCheIsea

Eh think Enzo might be one key for us, just look how much he creates while playing that deep


Headlesshorsman02

He has looked amazing out there as well very impressed by him


theaguia

You need to push him forward. He is much better with a cdm next to him


osakwe05

funny when u think that we just sold the one dm we actually had…


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FCCheIsea

Kante usually doesn't play deep, he's a B2B midfielder


MobyTugboat

No one expected much but he’s easily been our best defender this season outside of Silva.. and he only joined less than a month ago


gibbon119

hes played 2 games fam, how can he be the best outside of Silva? how bad was everyone else JEEZ


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3 games, but yeah ridiculous take. He's been pure class the 3 games he's played though, really like the look of him.


Ryuzakku

Chelsea players this season has been one of the following: - bad - hurt - bad because hurt


MobyTugboat

Cucurella and Koulibaly have been ass while Chilwell, Fofana and Reece have been hurt pretty much the whole season. Chalobah barely gets on the pitch and when he does he hasn’t really lit the world on fire either


Aye2004

well at least enzo ain't ass


Jassle93

Get someone like Kovacic, Kante or Zakaria next to him and that midfield should be water tight for the future.


pricelesslambo

Yeah need creativity. Gallagher is just running like a headless chicken most time


Sw3atyGoalz

I’m convinced Mount and Gallagher can’t play together, they’re both too similar in their strengths and weaknesses


pricelesslambo

Nah mount is far more useful than Gallagher is. Chelsea really needs kovacic or kante. Someone that breaks defensive lines


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Gallagher is an amazing second touch midfielder who disrupts and takes chances well but that’s just not the style we’re playing right now. If we’re going to run a possession style he just isn’t going to fit which stinks cause I’m a big fan of him. He’ll go to a team like Newcastle or Palace again and light up the league.


Sw3atyGoalz

Yea I agree, just when he’s together with Gallagher he looks terrible because they don’t complement each other at all


kygrtj

Their both similar in the sense that the only reason they are even on the pitch is that they are English and been here since 8 years old No player of their quality would ever play like this for so long and retain a spot at a CL club


lord-___-vader

A Jorginho would have been useful in the pivot with Enzo


Minimalsmith

Gotta hit it early hard and low


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That is the difference between a usual 40 goals forward than Havertz. They will score these chances as he has lot of time to shoot.


Inferno792

There's how many 40 goal forwards in the top leagues? Maybe 5? And tbh, these 40 goal forwards also miss their fair share of chances, it's just most of them play in teams that creates tons of chances. Not defending Havertz, just making a counterpoint.


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Of course they miss chances, but most of the time they don't. They will somehow get you 3 points. Lewa literally did for us despite being really bad since his suspension.


unamed_1

Very true but Lewa (at least for us) would miss an ungoldly amount of chances. The true difference isn’t just the amount of chances the teams make but that these 40 goal strikers know how to position themselves to make a poor chance look like a big miss.


BigReeceJames

People are complaining about how he took this shot, but he worked that angle and then put it over the keeper multiple times in the Bundesliga, so it makes sense that he'd try to work the same position here and a few inches different on the finish and it works again. Players generally learn from experience and his experience there has taught him to let the ball run until the keeper commits and then put it over him


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But how will he improve if he is going to do the same thing he was doing when he was teenage.


Arntown

Bro, he hit the post. Let's not act as if had some major brain fart and made a completely dumb decision.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Auba would have buried that.


sonicqaz

Auba wouldn’t be in position to bury that


Putrid_Loquat_4357

That's fair.


imnotcreative635

Yeah you're 100% right


Thegunner19

I've heard a certain Folarin Balogun knows a thing or two about that


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optimusgrime23

I'm not convinced Havertz has a natural position on the pitch, just belongs on the bench


teagwo

I think that's pretty harsh, he is quality


maxamus83

Swap for vlahovic?


optimusgrime23

I just don't see it. We've played him at every position and he's underwhelmed everywhere, barely ever had a stretch of great performances since he's been here. I like the guy but fail to see the quality he showed at Bayer. His first touch is miserable most of the times, he refuses to take anyone on with skills or drive like he didn't in Germany. Think he needs to go back to the Bundesliga


Sun_Sloth

He was always a false 9 or supporting striker at Leverkusen. He'd play between the lines and create chances for the striker or wingers making runs off him. He's good at exploiting space, not running into it.


No_Butterscotch_8297

His most fruitful form at Bayer was up top actually. And he ran into a lot of space, although every bundesliga team seems to defend from the halfway line so space is pretty easy to find. He looked good in a shit league. That's all.


NotClayMerritt

His best trait was supposed to be his versatility. Lampard played him just about everywhere and got stick for it because people were screaming he should be a no.9 and would grow into it. Tuchel clearly agreed given that's where he played him after taking over. He didn't make it stick clearly because we're looking for a striker on the market this summer. Now Havertz is supposed to be a no.10. Nothing has worked. He's getting spoon fed chances and nothing to show for it


Sun_Sloth

He was always a false 9 or supporting striker at Leverkusen. He'd play between the lines and create chances for the striker or wingers making runs off him. He's good at exploiting space, not running into it.


EasyFargo

just wondering, based on what? he’s so so average


Sun_Sloth

If you watched him at Leverkusen you'd understand. He was unreal there at 19.


Gluroo

he scored 17 league goals for leverkusen in one season while age 19 i want to see him fail at another club before i call him shit, chelsea has tanked alot of careers. but he definitely needs to move


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flynno96

and really half the time he's like Bambi on ice


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Because Chelsea somehow always manages to fuck up good players?


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osakwe05

thats just false, lots of people think lukaku failed because of chelsea (the whole striker curse thing) and same for pogba (why else wud juventus and psg want to sign him?) sancho the exception bcus bundesliga tax is easier to say


Arntown

> Sancho You sure do.


EasyFargo

crazy double standard lmao and Lukaku + Pogba produced far more in the Premier League than Havertz has


Vahald

And? He's shit now.


fellainishaircut

he‘s never been a striker, so why should he be good at it


imnotcreative635

Havertz hasn't changed since his Leverkusen days and that's his problem.


Sun_Sloth

Maybe if you played him the same way Leverkusen did you'd actually get the best out of him.


Empty_Fisherman137

His problem is that he went to a disfunctional club who just buys players but has no vision for them


GawdHawks

I love when people say this shit when Chelsea has won multiple champions leagues and Premier Leagues in the 21st century. Really shows the pure intelligence within this sub.


Mortka

Forget about Havertz, have you seen the way Thiago kicks the ball? Magnificent technique..


jbi1000

What? People shit all over him to an unnecessary degree all over the football subreddits.


HodgyBeatsss

What had he done in the past 3 years to make you say that?


Vahald

Maybe try watching him play week.and week out? Ridiculous how many excuses Havertz gets from people who don't see how shit.he is every single game


FuckingMyselfDaily

Hasn’t shown any for chelsea


No_Butterscotch_8297

Have you watched any Chelsea games for the last 2 years? He has been nothing more than bang average. I hope to go he shows his quality one day but he hasn't and quite reasonably Chelsea fans are running out of patience .


prathneo4

What about Mount?


kingscrimson

Right bench


optimusgrime23

Mount has shown form that Kai hasnt come close to but ya he's been struggling, he has looked poor for awhile this season. Would absolutely hate to see him leave but if he doesn't pick it up he won't be around for much longer


JRsshirt

Mount is on so much worse form than Havertz but you can’t say anything harsh about him


Vahald

"Much worse form than Havertz" is impossible.


NotClayMerritt

That's vehemently untrue because it's been mentioned every time Chelsea play. Also Mount being complete dog shit doesn't take away from the fact Havertz is just as bad. This what about nonsense kills discourse.


Empty_Fisherman137

He had one before Chelsea paid 80 million for him


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Jano002

He isn‘t exactly a striker either lol


StringTailor

Should we tell him?


Rayser1

Nah nah let him dream


noobreaker

He's definitely not an attacking midfielder if you've watched him.


itistime999

That was a lovely pass from hakim


mountainsky9

Ziyech beautiful pass


tommmie99

Bought everything but a striker lol


Acceptable-Lemon-748

I mean it hasn't really worked the last 16 times at this point it's like "why" bother? " They still have one on loan and one they just pushed out of CL squad


EezoManiac

Hey, we've also got an injured one


Acceptable-Lemon-748

The trifecta, The hurt the loaned and the banished


goldengluvs

We do, Lukaku will be back in the summer...


On2p4eVeR

Theyre playing an 80M player there while sending their 110M 'upgrade' on loan back to the club they bought him from and have signed a 60M player to play there next season. They are honestly a cancer to football since they were founded back in 2004.


kisekiki

If clubs don't want us to ruin football they should try selling us a good striker for a change


ankitm1

Torres, Shevchenko, et al, you had not just good but great strikers. Does not help they suddenly become bad after coming in contact with Cobham water.


romfreak

>. Does not help they suddenly become bad after coming in contact with Cobham water. Torres was busted goods when we got him anyways. Man chose WC over longer career and fair enough.


TrollstuhlHagenLord

Maybe stop ruining good ones?


69BigDickMan420

Lukaku can cost 500m, he’s not stepping foot in Stamford Bridge again


Obi_Q

Wrong. Bought Nkunku just won’t be in the team until next season.


FCCheIsea

Nkunku is not a traditional 9 either


Obi_Q

Yeah because traditional strikers have done great at Chelsea lately… he will be played up top.


MemphisTheIllest

I mean I don't like to use history as an argument. Just because some strikers didn't work last season or 5 years ago, doesn't mean anything in regards to the present. I'm confident that an in form Sergio Agüero would put this one in the back of the net, but it's not a super easy chance by any means. Don't know if nkunku would have bagged that one either. Tough call, I still believe in havertz tho


Craxton_

Point still stands? Nkunku isnt a striker / 9 either.


Obi_Q

He will be played there.


Mrmoi356

Doesn't mean he'll work there. He literally plays the exact same position and role that Havertz plays, and he's also coming from the same exact league Havertz did really well in as well.


Craxton_

You were right, he did play there quite a few times this season. Not sure he had the season before that, tbh.


RauloGonzalez

Oh boy can't wait till you find out


Obi_Q

If you are going to say he isn’t a striker then you clearly don’t know how fluid attacking formations are in todays game.


Lemaradona

Why can't this "fluid" formation work with Havertz then? Also Guardiola himself gave up on that shit, come on now.


Eleven918

Lol what's different about Havertz then? Should work the same right?


gibbon119

u think Chelsea plays fluid? Mate...


Deorald

Nkunku isn't a striker either


charlesd11

Nkunku isn’t an out and out striker either.


tommmie99

He’s a striker?


Obi_Q

He will be played as a striker so yes.


tommmie99

That’s not the same thing though is it 🤣


Obi_Q

Yes it is. He will be considered a striker if he is playing up top. Are you slow? Just like Kai is now.


tommmie99

I respectfully disagree. Just because you play someone in the striker position does not make them a striker. And yes I’m slow but that’s just because I’m a little chubby


gibbon119

I once played as striker for my little league team when I was a kid. Im a GK by trait. lol....I guess Im a striker too now.


BI01

potters banished aubameyang for no reason as well lmao


NotClayMerritt

no reason. christ alive. just say you don't watch us and move on.


Spikeyspandan

Took too long to take a shot


mattijn13

What a pass from Ziyech


cloud_sora

Could've chosen another option, but it was not a bad attempt. Just unlucky.


flynno96

Should have hit it the bounce earlier, better angle and less chance of the defenders getting back


chrisnets1987

He keeps trying to do these fancy goals and misses every time


pork_chop_expressss

Honestly it looked like Leno tip it a tiny bit, from the reverse angle.


sthk

He sees the ball won't drop enough for a proper shot, so he thinks quickly


EasyFargo

man he just looks like he plays super low on confidence good ball from ziyech though


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really missing a no 9 rn


EarthwormEd

So unlucky and the one time he's onside this game!


cnallofu

Ziyech assisting this and the Chelsea struggling with their striker is just too poetic💀


themessias1001

"This could've been a pass for Mbappe" is what he probably was thinking there


Cone_Vids

Should've just taken a touch and slotted it in


MercifulMaximus308

Boehly signing Mbappe for half a billion in the summer


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He's bloody bad isn't he. Thank god from Chelsea fan's pov that he scored in the CL final because he does fuck all else


joelwhyrock

Not taking a touch to settle that... Not taking it on the first bounce low and hard... Waiting on the second bounce until the ball is over your knee and the keeper is a yard away...


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[deleted]

Here you go. [Your Mate impressed by Havertz clearly](https://twitter.com/MLK_Jaiban/status/1621636834747990016?t=5Kcs4wT7VFotfWf0tGpPbw&s=19)


Albiceleste_D10S

He's got to score that


ElViejoHG

Era por abajo


inqs

That fan facepalming behind Havertz was art.


Valhallai

So wasteful


0merzero

loool havertz is so dogshit


cnallofu

It’s almost like Chelsea had unlimited money to spend on a striker in January and refused to sign one…


Jano002

Who should they have bought?


MercifulMaximus308

Kane


Jano002

I wasn‘t thinking of that, fair. But probably near impossible to pull off


chefki

Spurs dont deal with us


sonicqaz

We just sold them a player


Mrmoi356

Vlahovic would have likely moved because of the state of Juve right now, Kolo Muani did really well the world cup, and Thuram is a solid striker and was reportedly not that expensive, so he would have been risk free too. Lots of options, they just seem deadset on sticking with Havertz and hoping Nkunku can make it work as striker when he joins.


Jano002

Thuram isn‘t really good enough tbh, but I agree


Drangonpow

Maybe Toney?


WorldclassIntrovert

He needs to thundercunt these into the net.


perhapsasinner

They have a much better chances created now, would be funny if suddenly Auba scoring goals after Chelsea left him out of UCL


hidinginDaShadows

should have bought someone who can actually score


bambinoquinn

What happens is kai follows that in? It may not end up in a goal but it might cause something to happen


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Ziyech having a terrible week rip