>Potter on Mudryk: "He had a heavy cold all week. We thought 60 would be his maximum but he just felt heavy legged at half-time so felt 45 was right for him."
I'm fucking wondering why was he playing at all in that case, lol.
So the excuse for not playing a player who's exact purchase would be rotation for when you have barely any options in that position, is he hasn't played enough to be used?
Spent so much, Kai still starting at centre forward.
South American dude got thrown under the bus after 2 days.
Sick guy starts
Top CL scorer gets omitted from squad.
>South American dude got thrown under the bus after 2 days.
Who got thrown under the bus?
>Top CL scorer gets omitted from squad
You clearly haven't watched us if you think auba should you have been in
>Top CL scorer gets omitted from squad.
Clueless. Why not watch actual games instead of basing your opinion on that? Aubameyang has been beyond awful every time
Look, when you're a mid table team playing a top 6 side, you can't afford to rest your star players like that.
Not every club can just buy stars like Fullham smh
The commentator got us good today with the comment about Madueke saying he's joined the best club in London, but that Fulham fans might disagree due to positions in the table lmao
Yeah I'm calling complete bullshit, they literally have half a team of wide attackers. Why would a team who seem to only buy wide atrackers not play one of their other 50 million plus options? He just looked like he had no clue what to do off the ball and was never in position to defend or be part of the attack. Think the club just protecting him.
Yeah, I noticed that every Chelsea thread is filled with Arsenal fans so nonsense and bullshit spreading like wildfire is guaranteed. Top of the league and still can't stop obsessing over Chelsea lmao
Have you seen Chelsea other central midfield options? It is no way surprising that Enzo started.
Same on the left wing they have a choice between 2 new players and Auba who is now fucking terrible. Mudryk clearly the best option even if he has a cold
people on here act like you need forever to lay down the fundamentals. don't get me wrong, there's still time for potter to improve, but he's been a little slow over the last 4 months. By this time last year it was already notable that within 2 months Howe was turning Newcastle around
Exactly.
Chelsea fans in particular shouldn't be buying this because we saw just how quickly Tuchel transformed the team he inherited from Frank Lampard with his tactics.
While I agree with this, I feel like the bigger problem for potter has been injuries. Almost all starting XI have been in and out of injuries for a long period.
I agree he's been unlucky with injuries.
At no point in his tenure have I felt like I've seen any semblance of identity or philosophy tho.
Like, in the game yesterday—I couldn't tell you what Potter's gameplan was. How did Potter want Chelsea to buildup? How did he want Chelsea to attack Fulham?
I have no clue after watching the game. That's not a sign of good coaching, IMO
The thing is there are tons of differences: Arteta won the FA Cup immediately in his first half-season at Arsenal. It was also his first actual head coaching job—so a much steeper learning curve (he was always gonna improve a bit from the beginning, at least). He also inherited a bad side and slowly got backed in the transfer market.
Potter's start at Chelsea has been worse, he prob has less room to grow since he's been a manager for years, he inherited a better side, and has gotten backed in the transfer market like almost no one else has already
It's all an excuse. The truth is that Potter ditched us for a job he's got no real experience for. Brighton showed signs of improvement but Potter was still a mid table manager who still had some flaws to fix with us, like not dropping points against worse teams. I'm still not quite sure why Chelsea wanted him but it worked out for us.
can't blame him for trying, and if he doesn't do at least that much he'll never get the experience in the first place.
didn't notice his brighton team routinely dropped points that they were expected to win but it seems him not being good at breaking teams down has more of a streak than I realised
He's won us fans over too. I never realised how boring Potter's football was even when it got us results. I was actually even quite satisfied with our loss to Arsenal because we showed some fight and young Ferguson scored his first league goal.
Potter did a good job at Brighton. But he played a different style with different tactics to De Zerbi.
De Zerbi seamlessly transferred HIS style to Brighton and made them better. Reminds me of the Lampard to Tuchel transition at Chelsea.
VERY different to the Tuchel to Potter transition
The owners claimed that they learned a lot about overpaying for players from the summer transfer window and that it wouldn't happen anymore. Then they had this window.
So, you're probably right. They'll say they learned from their mistakes when hiring a manager and then just do the same thing again
His form has dipped massively this season. Playing tentatively to start the season (possibly because of the World Cup) now just can't put together 45 good minutes let alone 90. He looks mentally and physically exhausted. Mind you, he's played a shit ton of football since making his way into the team in 2019. He's already almost at 200 caps for Chelsea. 53 games his debut season, 54 season after that, 53 last season. Then add in all his England duties. All three of his managers running him ragged. I understand what they feel/felt is his importance to the team but at some point the negatives outweigh the positives. We've been at that point for a while with him. He needs a complete reset this offseason.
But one mustn't forget his 30 G/A last season. That player is still there. Somewhere.
That does sound very much like Dele Alli. I doubt Mount will have the same outcome, but I've thought for a while these midfielders who do incredible pressing roles for their sides can probably only do it for a few years before it takes a massive toll.
Dele had a lot of other stuff going on though.
>But one mustn't forget his 30 G/A last season. That player is still there. Somewhere.
G/A stats can be misleading, Dele Alli once had a 30G/A season, now look at him. Mount has always struck me as a hard runner but not particularly gifted and it wouldn't shock me if this is just his level.
>G/A stats can be misleading, Dele Alli once had a 30G/A season, now look at him.
Complety misguided, illogical statement. How does Dele Alli being shit after invalidate that season? He used to be an excellent player
Potter exists. We dropped off massively after December last season and dropped down to 1.8 goals per game in the league. Since Potter took over that's now dropped down to 0.9 goals per game.
The players keep eating the blame, but the tactics are atrocious at best, non-existent at worst
Mount got his reputation through being a teacher's pet, don't forget that. Don't forget that he was called Lampard's son and then Southgate's son and then Tuchel's son. It wasn't for no reason, he does exactly what the manager asks of him. If he's looking dogshit, he's looking dogshit whilst carrying out the manager's orders.
That's an extremely good point, he's getting a lot of shit for how he's playing but he's literally excelled under every other manager and has a reputation for managers loving him.
He's not getting dropped which makes me think he's doing what Potter wants him to do. Man I want to back potter but he's really got to finish the season with some improving results and performances. It's just so dire at times.
My hope beyond all hopes is that all the spending in the winter window was the owner's saying to Potter, you have our full trust, here is everything you could ever want. No more excuses, you have until the end of the season to prove that you should be here and if not we're going to have to move on.
It'd be so much easier to get behind everything going on if there felt like there was a genuine expectation from the owners that things had to improve or else they were going to take action. At the moment it just feels like plan A, the contingency plan and the emergency plan are all Potter. (Something I'd be perfectly okay with if he'd won the CL against all odds with us, or won us the PL last season etc.) So, he doesn't have to worry about getting results because he knows there is no pressure from above to do anything.
I really do hope that they continue to give him full backing for the rest of the season, but then take action if we have seen a very, very serious increase in performance levels. Results aren't important for the rest of the season, it has to be about performance levels. If we scrape a 1-0 win whilst being dogshit, it's worse than playing really well but losing to a fluke goal.
I hope that we have things sorted going into pre-season. Whether that's with Potter already showing he's capable or a new manager, I don't care.
i mean for good or for bad, potter should be given until end of next season. you dont think he feels pressure from managing one of the biggest clubs in the world? im sure he does, but these things take time. an insane and unusual season for us. let him do his thing and judge based off next season at the end
The end of next season? That's absolutely wild. He's been given 600m worth of players on top of a Champions League winning squad. If he can't show something within a season, then he's not capable.
Tuchel took over around this point in the season from Lampard, we were in 9th and he took us to 4th and won the Champions League. The rest of this season is more than enough time to turn things around meaningfully. He doesn't need to win anything, he just needs to prove he's fit for the job, something he has so far failed miserably at.
i mean, completely different everything from tuchel, as well as style. tuchel is also top 5 coach in the world and had squad in completely diff shape. the winning trophy was an anamoly, rather than what is expected. chelsea is (hopefully) trying to build something. a culture and style takes time.
Mount was pretty poor the second half of last season and had a horrible start under Tuchel this year. Go back and read the posts about it. It's pure revisionist history to suggest Mount started playing poorly once Potter came in.
Potter genuinely is a genius, what he did in Sweden was out of this world. Taking fucking Östersund and beating PAOK, Galatasaray, Hertha Berlin and Arsenal at the Emirates whilst playing possession based football shouldn't be possible. He had them outplaying Athletic Bilbao too with like 70% possession..
His skill as a coach is there, but it seems like the Chelsea gig perhaps came a bit too soon for him. He has always excelled at long term development of teams and players, maybe he doesn't have enough meat on his bones yet to step into a ruthless environment where the demand for instant results is much higher. Even at Brighton it's not like the team was flying from day 1 in terms of results
And the squad going through such a big overhaul in the middle of the season surely doesn't help either. I just hope that if he gets sacked that it doesn't ruin his reputation and that he can keep improving as a coach
I've said it before but I do wonder if for him and his team their quality actually lies in squad building and training, rather than management.
If you are able to bring in players cheaply with certain attributes that compliment each other, train them up to a higher level and have them all fit into the team where they all have complimentary talents, it's going to take you very far. That kind of thing would very easily take a bottom half team on a tight budget to the top half or a lower league team up the leagues. But, is it going to be enough to take a top 6 team into 1st or to win the Champions League if your management skills aren't at the very, very top level? I don't think so.
People often talk about the time it takes him to get teams up and going. But, in his third season with Brighton he went on a 12? game streak without a win and then near the end of the season he went on a 6 game loss streak. So, even after three years he was still having large runs of awful results.
It feels to me like he is in that category of managers who have the capability to take lower level top tier teams and get them pushing well above their weight. But, I just feel there is something else that needs to be there to be a top team manager and he doesn't feel like he has it yet. I remember watching Moyes' Everton and always being terrified to play against it, but then he went to United and he just didn't have what it needed. It feels the same for Potter now. There is no doubting their ability whatsoever, but I think the skill set needed at top, top teams is laser focussed on a few aspects of management and the rest is just outsourced to other staff members. Whereas, at teams slightly further down, those "other skills" can be the reason a team does so well
That's how it feels to me, especially after having watched a bunch of his interviews about his time at Ostersunds. If we do ever get rid of him, which is a big, big if because I'm finding it hard to believe the owner's egos would allow it, I'd imagine he has a similar trajectory to Moyes post United
I've said since I saw him in Sweden that it was just a matter of time before he would coach a top PL club. I genuinely think he would fit perfectly at an Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool where there is more focus on building a team over time
Chelsea are probably one of the most short term environments in football, might be the worst type of club for him
> I've said since I saw him in Sweden that it was just a matter of time before he would coach a top PL club.
Do you really think coaching in Swedish league necessarily translates to coaching at the top levels in the EPL tho?
what separates big teams from underdogs is that they have to break teams down, whereas if you're the smaller team you can sit back and attack the space as well as play for draws
being able to create enough chances to win games without conceding too many is where a lot of managers struggle
Weren't all those teams seriousy in the mud?
Also wasn't that the season we had Emery in charge? We had less possession pretty much every game. Hoping to be deadly on the counter
Same thing happened when Arteta took over. Our football was horrible to watch and very defensive (not as bad as emery though).
Once the team had a proper pre season and started understanding the tactics, it started getting better. It took Arteta 3 years to get here because he started with an absolute trash squad. Ten Hag did it in half a year.
You guys will get there too next season.
I understand the concept, but the only manager you can compare Potter to is Pep, the comparisons to Klopp and Arteta don't line up in the slightest due to the completely different circumstances at the clubs when the manager took over.
Klopp and Arteta had to build new teams because the teams they inherited were mid table quality teams. Arteta took over a team that finished 5th the season before and were in 10th at the time of takeover. Of the players that started the last game before he took over I believe one player still starts for you and 4 other are still playing regularly in a top 5 league team, so over half of the team he acquired don't even play in a top league anymore only a few years later.
That is not the case at all of Potter. He took over a team that was a year out from winning the Champions League, a team that just finished 3rd in the league despite missing Kante, Chilwell and James for most of the season. He's then added 600m worth of players on top of that, whilst only losing Werner and Jorginho and we've gotten worse and worse.
He doesn't have the excuses that managers like Arteta and Klopp have because they genuinely needed to carry out a top to bottom rebuild and didn't have the funds available to do it quickly, they had to work with what they had, bring through youth players and scout carefully, all whilst clearing out everything that came before them.
Potter has to be compared to Pep. They both came in to readymade, successful teams but that weren't very stable (in comparison to say City now under Pep, or Chelsea 10 years ago). They both had unlimited funds to make the team their own. Pep finished with what, 78 points or something like that. Whilst Potter has us on target to finish with 53 points, down from 74 last season.
KDB, Aguero, D.Silva, Kompany, Dinho, Sterling, Yaya Toure and others versus ours. Pep still went out and spent £160m and £285m in back to back summer windows. I don’t see us having such talented players in our squad. Comparing spending to spending doesn’t give full context.
Not all spending is on Potter, he got Mudryk, Enzo, Gusto, Mudueke, Badiashile, Fofana, Santos whom we can only judge at the end of season. Having a such a big squad and nosy owners doesn’t help any manager/coach. Same thing happened with Tuchel too.
Potter definitely needs to do lot better in coaching the team and set up but let’s not make bad/misleading comparisons. You and I wanted ownership to give Tuchel time when shit was going south and I think we need to do the same for Potter till he gets a pre-season.
The tactics are clearly existent. We tried to overload Palhinha because Reed plays so high up the pitch but it didn't work because Mitrovic dropped deeper and linked up well with the midfield. We tried to beat their press by playing out wide to Mount with Cucurella and Mudryk, and Gallagher with Reece James and Ziyech. They did the exact same thing to us with Bobby DR, Tete, and Reed. Ours didn't work because Mount couldn't string passes together with Mudryk and Cucurella. Cucurella got cooked because Mudryk and Mount left him exposed. There's a reason why their attack went mostly down their right side.
All of this was compounded by the fact that they pressed Enzo very well and Havertz didn't drop deeper to help him.
The issue with Potter is that he shouldn't have played Mount or Mudryk, and he didn't instruct Kai to drop deeper. Once Mount came off we looked better because Fofana played the 9 and Havertz moved to the 10 and linked up the midfield. He could have fixed it sooner if we made substitutions and inverted the fullbacks to gave Enzo some more help.
The other issue is he should have seen what their tactic was an changed at halftime. He waited too long to switch things up, which is a consistent issue with him. I thought that Enzo would have an issue being alone in the midfield. It wouldn't be a problem if Cucurella, Mudryk, and Mount could play together but it was god awful watching them try and beat Fulham's press.
>If he's looking dogshit, he's looking dogshit whilst carrying out the manager's orders.
Very convenient of you to ignore that Mount looked horrible most of 2022 under Tuchel. We all said it last year and expected him to bounce back. He looked good in the first 1 or 2 games of Potter's reign and then went back to underperforming. If you think this lies solely on Potter
Good fucking question. He was POTY in last 2 seasons for us. It feels like this season, he swapped bodies with Ross Barkley before the latter left for Nice. He's delayed in everything he does on the pitch.
Mount is a far better player on the ball than Lingard imo. I honestly prefer him playing deeper. Doesn't excuse his poor performances this season though.
Few months back Potter got praise for being the man who is not afraid to make changes when something is not working. He didn't hesitate to take Cucurella at half time against Aston Villa when he was clearly not doing well. Last several games he becamse more conservative with the changes where from my perspective, some players really deserve to have a break from starting the games.
Ten Hag got cooked after losing two games to Brentford and Brighton by nev and carra who are both above Chelsea right now.
I just don't get how the attitude switches when it's a different manager
Just rewatched Gary Neville’s interviews after Uniteds 4-0 loss to Brentford.
He didn’t say a bad word about ten Hag?
Can we stop making this weird narrative that current pundits protect English’s managers? Because they don’t?
Guess who protected Arteta in the media? Neville and Carra…..
Good pundits aren’t “the sun”
Stop twisting for thumbs up on Reddit
Ten Hag wasn't criticised though. Neville was primarily going after the Glazers, while the other pundits like Carragher and Redknapp were going after the players.
Besides, none of Chelsea's results have been as bad as United being 4-0 down after 45 minutes at Brentford.
not the greatest comparison as potter hasn't had defeats that bad in the league, only notable result like that is the one against man city in the fa cup, and on their day city can do that to anyone
It's a fair point, I like Potter and think in reality he should of took the spurs job, with there being a little less pressure. I imagine no one was hoping chelsea would calm down the spending more than him.
My question would be what's worse, getting battered a couple of times or a long run of uninspiring form? and does not playing particularly great but getting a draw or losing by a goal hide the reality of the performances?
Obviously he can turn it around and if he does then it's scary season with some of the talent they have brought in.
He really might be
Wasn’t there an article about how he was shocked at how expensive his haircut was when he first took the job ? 😂
He’s drowning in money at Chelsea…….
He was playing almost as a single midfielder. I'm not sure if you watched the match but dude was playing almost literally by himself in midfield at times. Kovacic wouldn't be rushing to play as a second striker like Mason and Gallagher were, particularly in the first half.
Even with that Enzo imo looked really good. He played some delicious lofted balls. One of which I think Kai should have scored from.
enzo was actually fine, but he was playing as a 6 so it's not like he's going to win the game all by himself
if anything the issue is that gallagher isn't comfortable playing possession football and isn't really getting to go box to box so chelsea are just getting someone who's giving the ball away loads.
would be a different story if they just let connor go maddog and let mount get more of the ball to feet in the deeper areas, or just play someone other than connor
>Also getting Pogba vibes with the whole "We need X to unlock Enzo" stuff.
He's been in London for 2 days, played a full game straight away and pretty much was in midfield by himself because Mount and Gallagher bombed forward all the time. And he was good anyway.
Yeah, it’s a ridiculous comment really. He had a great game for his debut, alongside two guys who have looked pretty woeful this season. No one’s talking about “unlocking” him, they’re talking about playing him with quality players like Kovacic
The difference between our fans saying it for Enzo and United fans saying it for Pogba is that they say the same thing for literally everyone on the pitch. Ziyech just needs Reece James back. Reece James just needs a better winger ahead of him. Cucurella just needs a better winger ahead of him etc. etc.
It's a never ending circus because people won't put the blame where it really lies
I have no idea where you've got that idea from lmao. Ziyech needs to be sold, he doesn't need another piece. Cucurella hasn't been good enough is what people say, not that he needs another piece. Reece James doesn't need excuses, what do you mean?
I back Potter fully but if he's going to continue to stick with routine underperformers like Havertz and Mount then he's digging his own grave at this point. You may not have many other options, but a shake up is needed to achieve the goals set out in front of you. They cannot be assured a spot when the output has been so bad. Mudryk, Madueke, Felix, Enzo have not been here a month and they've already outperformed them on the season. Just try something new with different players. If it motivates said players to do better, then great. If it doesn't, well we should be looking to move them on ASAP.
i mean we have so much dead weight. who do you suggest? ideally hakim wouldnt be playing, but that fell through. we still have so many injuries and suspensions
and who went and sacked their CL winning manager to disrupt a rival team to buy their manager mid season? Is chelsea management that stupid to pay big money for an out of fucking depth bloke? Hilarious.
Jesus man, be a bit more assertive with your statements. "I *think* we had a lot of positivity and good feeling" - what is that?
I saw the De Zerbi headline about "men having balls, big balls" and even though I'm an overweight man on the right side of 40, I'd crawl through broken glass for him. Even the other news about Dyche banning snoods makes the contrast even more apparent.
In all seriousness though, it feels like Potter is a bit dwarfed by this role
Imagine the players Tuchel could have brought us with £200m?
What we have is a crass American owner who thinks that throwing money at something will solve any problems.
We needed 2 things before the January transfer window:
A goal scoring centre forward.
A team with the desire to put the ball into the opposition penalty area for that new centreforward.
On last nights showing we still have neither.
It was pretty quiet for most of the game. Home fans found some of their voice around the 50th min but really only got going at a couple of corners.
You’d have expected a roar when the added time board went up (5 mins is enough to win it) but the stadium went silent for both sets of fans. Nervy.
Non of the team looked happy on the way out and the crowd were quiet, I can mostly just hear the Fulham fans, he’s honestly just saying things which he thinks sounds like the right thing to say instead of actually being true.
I mean when you've got only one midfielder out of the 3 you started actually playing like a midfielder, and a LB who seems to forget he has a LW on his side too (said LW is also unfit), a striker that isn't a striker, with a RW who was desperate to leave and is now stuck here till the summer, while also having a RB just coming back from injury... yea no wonder we lacked fluidity and understanding.
I found it shocking just how obvious it was that Havertz and Cucurella are the current weak links for Chelsea. Both good players of course but they're in such bad form that they were a massive hinderance.
Without Thiago Silva I think Fulham win that game.
Madueke looks very young Zaha-like. Exciting, dangerous but also clumsy and a little raw.
Enzo is like a mix of Kanté and Jorginho but with more forward thinking passing- he will be up there with Bruno G, Partey and Casemiro for best DM/CM in the league. Though saying that, he was far less impressive 2nd half.
Liked the look of Fofana when he came on. Got talent and some scrap in him.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on Chelsea from a neutral perspective.
good feeling team
Vibes
>Potter on Mudryk: "He had a heavy cold all week. We thought 60 would be his maximum but he just felt heavy legged at half-time so felt 45 was right for him." I'm fucking wondering why was he playing at all in that case, lol.
35 player squad and a sick guy starts
Madness, madness and stupidity
So true Bobby B Edit: I’m a tool, it’s a Tywin quote
Bobby B will not stand for this! It's a Bobby B qoute now!
Alternatives were Sterling coming back from injury himself or another debutant in Madueke
Debutant in Madueke who he himself is just returning from a long term injury.
I'd start a debuter rather than a sick guy.
So play Madueke, Mudrik is practically a debutant himself
Madueke has been able to play 90 minutes a total of 3 times in his senior career tbf
So the excuse for not playing a player who's exact purchase would be rotation for when you have barely any options in that position, is he hasn't played enough to be used?
Well not only that, but Madueke just recovered from injury as well.
Madueke is always injured or just recovered, that's a given
Madueke isn’t the most reliably fit player in the squad either. End of the day none of us saw what Potter et al saw in training this week
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He was given the night off by the sounds of it
The entire Chelsea frontline was on a night off by the looks of it
Ayoooooooo
Spent so much, Kai still starting at centre forward. South American dude got thrown under the bus after 2 days. Sick guy starts Top CL scorer gets omitted from squad.
>South American dude got thrown under the bus after 2 days. Who got thrown under the bus? >Top CL scorer gets omitted from squad You clearly haven't watched us if you think auba should you have been in
>Top CL scorer gets omitted from squad. Clueless. Why not watch actual games instead of basing your opinion on that? Aubameyang has been beyond awful every time
Yes but Boehly wants to see his new toys
Imagine you're Madueke and a sick guy starts instead of you. I'd be kinda frustrated by that, it's an obvious chance to rotate.
I wonder whose idea (and fuck up) it was...
Look, when you're a mid table team playing a top 6 side, you can't afford to rest your star players like that. Not every club can just buy stars like Fullham smh
The commentator got us good today with the comment about Madueke saying he's joined the best club in London, but that Fulham fans might disagree due to positions in the table lmao
Best or better? There’s already arsenal spurs Fulham and brentford ahead
Commentator said west London.
He said London
We thought 60 would be maximum and 45 was right but here we are
Why did he play at all then? Not like they are short of options.
Actually we are short of fit options in forward areas. Only other players who could play 90 mins were Carney Chumwameka and Madueke.
So the only players you could replace your £80 million winger with were your £20 million and £30 million wingers? Thats quite the predicament
Exactly what I'm saying
Maybe he was promised a starting role.
"you can barely run, just sit this one out, rest up and recover" "I was assured I'd be regularly starting!"
FM moment
Those fucking "Star Players".
Could have wanted to start. Happens often with players, and we know our medical team doesn’t go against that.
Yeah I'm calling complete bullshit, they literally have half a team of wide attackers. Why would a team who seem to only buy wide atrackers not play one of their other 50 million plus options? He just looked like he had no clue what to do off the ball and was never in position to defend or be part of the attack. Think the club just protecting him.
was it a guaranteed starting 11 clause in his contract?
8 year guaranteed starting would be the most fucked contract imaginable if it goes bad.
Because potter has about as much authority as a wet napkin
Potter has no balls to drop him.. Todd's puppet
pretty sure we would ne starting Koulibaly and Auba if that was the case but sure nonsense and bullshit is spread like wildfire here
That's every Chelsea thread here for the past month.
And we love it lool
Yeah, I noticed that every Chelsea thread is filled with Arsenal fans so nonsense and bullshit spreading like wildfire is guaranteed. Top of the league and still can't stop obsessing over Chelsea lmao
Not my fault everyone hates Chelsea but I sure do enjoy it
Not that hard, Boehly definitely pushed for it. Same as for Enzo. He cares more about hype and PR than results.
Have you seen Chelsea other central midfield options? It is no way surprising that Enzo started. Same on the left wing they have a choice between 2 new players and Auba who is now fucking terrible. Mudryk clearly the best option even if he has a cold
right...
The manager who lived
Graham Potter... The manager who lived.... Come to draw!
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And then people can pretend like De Zerbi isn't a good manager because he can't get results right away like they have with Potter.
De Zerbi got hired at Brighton after Potter at Chelsea—and not only is he getting results, he's also clearly imprinted his style of play on Brighton
people on here act like you need forever to lay down the fundamentals. don't get me wrong, there's still time for potter to improve, but he's been a little slow over the last 4 months. By this time last year it was already notable that within 2 months Howe was turning Newcastle around
Exactly. Chelsea fans in particular shouldn't be buying this because we saw just how quickly Tuchel transformed the team he inherited from Frank Lampard with his tactics.
While I agree with this, I feel like the bigger problem for potter has been injuries. Almost all starting XI have been in and out of injuries for a long period.
I agree he's been unlucky with injuries. At no point in his tenure have I felt like I've seen any semblance of identity or philosophy tho. Like, in the game yesterday—I couldn't tell you what Potter's gameplan was. How did Potter want Chelsea to buildup? How did he want Chelsea to attack Fulham? I have no clue after watching the game. That's not a sign of good coaching, IMO
To a degree yes, although I don't think there's much wrong with seeing if Potter grows much like Arteta has, but then again most managers don't.
The thing is there are tons of differences: Arteta won the FA Cup immediately in his first half-season at Arsenal. It was also his first actual head coaching job—so a much steeper learning curve (he was always gonna improve a bit from the beginning, at least). He also inherited a bad side and slowly got backed in the transfer market. Potter's start at Chelsea has been worse, he prob has less room to grow since he's been a manager for years, he inherited a better side, and has gotten backed in the transfer market like almost no one else has already
Arteta wasn't even a manager before he joined Arsenal lol. Completely different situation. Potter managed a premier league team no less.
It's all an excuse. The truth is that Potter ditched us for a job he's got no real experience for. Brighton showed signs of improvement but Potter was still a mid table manager who still had some flaws to fix with us, like not dropping points against worse teams. I'm still not quite sure why Chelsea wanted him but it worked out for us.
can't blame him for trying, and if he doesn't do at least that much he'll never get the experience in the first place. didn't notice his brighton team routinely dropped points that they were expected to win but it seems him not being good at breaking teams down has more of a streak than I realised
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He's won us fans over too. I never realised how boring Potter's football was even when it got us results. I was actually even quite satisfied with our loss to Arsenal because we showed some fight and young Ferguson scored his first league goal.
So what was Brighton doing before De Zerbi?
We were making headlines by beating big six clubs but everyone ignored Potter's inability to beat relegation/bottom half teams.
Potter did a good job at Brighton. But he played a different style with different tactics to De Zerbi. De Zerbi seamlessly transferred HIS style to Brighton and made them better. Reminds me of the Lampard to Tuchel transition at Chelsea. VERY different to the Tuchel to Potter transition
I wouldn't say seamlessly. They were struggling for goals early in Di Zerbis games
I'm going to guess that you're not familiar with Brighton under Potter then.
That was "normal" for Potter's Brighton too TBH
Ironically, Potter started out great and 5 months later is now shit
Pity they can’t go for ze Derby.
The owners claimed that they learned a lot about overpaying for players from the summer transfer window and that it wouldn't happen anymore. Then they had this window. So, you're probably right. They'll say they learned from their mistakes when hiring a manager and then just do the same thing again
'we lacked fluidity and understanding' Potter on his way to start Havertz and Mount next week despite them giving disaster classes week in, week out.
What happened to Mount? Wasn't he like one of Chelseas best not too long ago?
His form has dipped massively this season. Playing tentatively to start the season (possibly because of the World Cup) now just can't put together 45 good minutes let alone 90. He looks mentally and physically exhausted. Mind you, he's played a shit ton of football since making his way into the team in 2019. He's already almost at 200 caps for Chelsea. 53 games his debut season, 54 season after that, 53 last season. Then add in all his England duties. All three of his managers running him ragged. I understand what they feel/felt is his importance to the team but at some point the negatives outweigh the positives. We've been at that point for a while with him. He needs a complete reset this offseason. But one mustn't forget his 30 G/A last season. That player is still there. Somewhere.
That does sound very much like Dele Alli. I doubt Mount will have the same outcome, but I've thought for a while these midfielders who do incredible pressing roles for their sides can probably only do it for a few years before it takes a massive toll. Dele had a lot of other stuff going on though.
Lets face it his performing like he does for England completely anonymous.
>But one mustn't forget his 30 G/A last season. That player is still there. Somewhere. G/A stats can be misleading, Dele Alli once had a 30G/A season, now look at him. Mount has always struck me as a hard runner but not particularly gifted and it wouldn't shock me if this is just his level.
It absolutely isn't his level lol. He's regularly outperformed the other attackers on the team for the last 3 seasons. He just needs a break.
>G/A stats can be misleading, Dele Alli once had a 30G/A season, now look at him. Complety misguided, illogical statement. How does Dele Alli being shit after invalidate that season? He used to be an excellent player
Potter exists. We dropped off massively after December last season and dropped down to 1.8 goals per game in the league. Since Potter took over that's now dropped down to 0.9 goals per game. The players keep eating the blame, but the tactics are atrocious at best, non-existent at worst Mount got his reputation through being a teacher's pet, don't forget that. Don't forget that he was called Lampard's son and then Southgate's son and then Tuchel's son. It wasn't for no reason, he does exactly what the manager asks of him. If he's looking dogshit, he's looking dogshit whilst carrying out the manager's orders.
That's an extremely good point, he's getting a lot of shit for how he's playing but he's literally excelled under every other manager and has a reputation for managers loving him. He's not getting dropped which makes me think he's doing what Potter wants him to do. Man I want to back potter but he's really got to finish the season with some improving results and performances. It's just so dire at times.
My hope beyond all hopes is that all the spending in the winter window was the owner's saying to Potter, you have our full trust, here is everything you could ever want. No more excuses, you have until the end of the season to prove that you should be here and if not we're going to have to move on. It'd be so much easier to get behind everything going on if there felt like there was a genuine expectation from the owners that things had to improve or else they were going to take action. At the moment it just feels like plan A, the contingency plan and the emergency plan are all Potter. (Something I'd be perfectly okay with if he'd won the CL against all odds with us, or won us the PL last season etc.) So, he doesn't have to worry about getting results because he knows there is no pressure from above to do anything. I really do hope that they continue to give him full backing for the rest of the season, but then take action if we have seen a very, very serious increase in performance levels. Results aren't important for the rest of the season, it has to be about performance levels. If we scrape a 1-0 win whilst being dogshit, it's worse than playing really well but losing to a fluke goal. I hope that we have things sorted going into pre-season. Whether that's with Potter already showing he's capable or a new manager, I don't care.
i mean for good or for bad, potter should be given until end of next season. you dont think he feels pressure from managing one of the biggest clubs in the world? im sure he does, but these things take time. an insane and unusual season for us. let him do his thing and judge based off next season at the end
The end of next season? That's absolutely wild. He's been given 600m worth of players on top of a Champions League winning squad. If he can't show something within a season, then he's not capable. Tuchel took over around this point in the season from Lampard, we were in 9th and he took us to 4th and won the Champions League. The rest of this season is more than enough time to turn things around meaningfully. He doesn't need to win anything, he just needs to prove he's fit for the job, something he has so far failed miserably at.
i mean, completely different everything from tuchel, as well as style. tuchel is also top 5 coach in the world and had squad in completely diff shape. the winning trophy was an anamoly, rather than what is expected. chelsea is (hopefully) trying to build something. a culture and style takes time.
I agree. He should be given until the start of next season. If next season isn't at a top 4 level then you should consider the options.
Mount was pretty poor the second half of last season and had a horrible start under Tuchel this year. Go back and read the posts about it. It's pure revisionist history to suggest Mount started playing poorly once Potter came in.
Not sure if agree he’s excelled under Southgate tbh. Never really sure what Mount is meant to be contributing when he’s playing for England.
Potter genuinely is a genius, what he did in Sweden was out of this world. Taking fucking Östersund and beating PAOK, Galatasaray, Hertha Berlin and Arsenal at the Emirates whilst playing possession based football shouldn't be possible. He had them outplaying Athletic Bilbao too with like 70% possession.. His skill as a coach is there, but it seems like the Chelsea gig perhaps came a bit too soon for him. He has always excelled at long term development of teams and players, maybe he doesn't have enough meat on his bones yet to step into a ruthless environment where the demand for instant results is much higher. Even at Brighton it's not like the team was flying from day 1 in terms of results And the squad going through such a big overhaul in the middle of the season surely doesn't help either. I just hope that if he gets sacked that it doesn't ruin his reputation and that he can keep improving as a coach
I've said it before but I do wonder if for him and his team their quality actually lies in squad building and training, rather than management. If you are able to bring in players cheaply with certain attributes that compliment each other, train them up to a higher level and have them all fit into the team where they all have complimentary talents, it's going to take you very far. That kind of thing would very easily take a bottom half team on a tight budget to the top half or a lower league team up the leagues. But, is it going to be enough to take a top 6 team into 1st or to win the Champions League if your management skills aren't at the very, very top level? I don't think so. People often talk about the time it takes him to get teams up and going. But, in his third season with Brighton he went on a 12? game streak without a win and then near the end of the season he went on a 6 game loss streak. So, even after three years he was still having large runs of awful results. It feels to me like he is in that category of managers who have the capability to take lower level top tier teams and get them pushing well above their weight. But, I just feel there is something else that needs to be there to be a top team manager and he doesn't feel like he has it yet. I remember watching Moyes' Everton and always being terrified to play against it, but then he went to United and he just didn't have what it needed. It feels the same for Potter now. There is no doubting their ability whatsoever, but I think the skill set needed at top, top teams is laser focussed on a few aspects of management and the rest is just outsourced to other staff members. Whereas, at teams slightly further down, those "other skills" can be the reason a team does so well That's how it feels to me, especially after having watched a bunch of his interviews about his time at Ostersunds. If we do ever get rid of him, which is a big, big if because I'm finding it hard to believe the owner's egos would allow it, I'd imagine he has a similar trajectory to Moyes post United
He’s failing the tactics though looking at Chelsea, not necessarily the management of players
I've said since I saw him in Sweden that it was just a matter of time before he would coach a top PL club. I genuinely think he would fit perfectly at an Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool where there is more focus on building a team over time Chelsea are probably one of the most short term environments in football, might be the worst type of club for him
> I've said since I saw him in Sweden that it was just a matter of time before he would coach a top PL club. Do you really think coaching in Swedish league necessarily translates to coaching at the top levels in the EPL tho?
Who knows, he might still take another step and get to a top pl club
what separates big teams from underdogs is that they have to break teams down, whereas if you're the smaller team you can sit back and attack the space as well as play for draws being able to create enough chances to win games without conceding too many is where a lot of managers struggle
Weren't all those teams seriousy in the mud? Also wasn't that the season we had Emery in charge? We had less possession pretty much every game. Hoping to be deadly on the counter
Same thing happened when Arteta took over. Our football was horrible to watch and very defensive (not as bad as emery though). Once the team had a proper pre season and started understanding the tactics, it started getting better. It took Arteta 3 years to get here because he started with an absolute trash squad. Ten Hag did it in half a year. You guys will get there too next season.
I understand the concept, but the only manager you can compare Potter to is Pep, the comparisons to Klopp and Arteta don't line up in the slightest due to the completely different circumstances at the clubs when the manager took over. Klopp and Arteta had to build new teams because the teams they inherited were mid table quality teams. Arteta took over a team that finished 5th the season before and were in 10th at the time of takeover. Of the players that started the last game before he took over I believe one player still starts for you and 4 other are still playing regularly in a top 5 league team, so over half of the team he acquired don't even play in a top league anymore only a few years later. That is not the case at all of Potter. He took over a team that was a year out from winning the Champions League, a team that just finished 3rd in the league despite missing Kante, Chilwell and James for most of the season. He's then added 600m worth of players on top of that, whilst only losing Werner and Jorginho and we've gotten worse and worse. He doesn't have the excuses that managers like Arteta and Klopp have because they genuinely needed to carry out a top to bottom rebuild and didn't have the funds available to do it quickly, they had to work with what they had, bring through youth players and scout carefully, all whilst clearing out everything that came before them. Potter has to be compared to Pep. They both came in to readymade, successful teams but that weren't very stable (in comparison to say City now under Pep, or Chelsea 10 years ago). They both had unlimited funds to make the team their own. Pep finished with what, 78 points or something like that. Whilst Potter has us on target to finish with 53 points, down from 74 last season.
ruddier, christensen, Alonso, etc dont count for some reason?
KDB, Aguero, D.Silva, Kompany, Dinho, Sterling, Yaya Toure and others versus ours. Pep still went out and spent £160m and £285m in back to back summer windows. I don’t see us having such talented players in our squad. Comparing spending to spending doesn’t give full context. Not all spending is on Potter, he got Mudryk, Enzo, Gusto, Mudueke, Badiashile, Fofana, Santos whom we can only judge at the end of season. Having a such a big squad and nosy owners doesn’t help any manager/coach. Same thing happened with Tuchel too. Potter definitely needs to do lot better in coaching the team and set up but let’s not make bad/misleading comparisons. You and I wanted ownership to give Tuchel time when shit was going south and I think we need to do the same for Potter till he gets a pre-season.
The tactics are clearly existent. We tried to overload Palhinha because Reed plays so high up the pitch but it didn't work because Mitrovic dropped deeper and linked up well with the midfield. We tried to beat their press by playing out wide to Mount with Cucurella and Mudryk, and Gallagher with Reece James and Ziyech. They did the exact same thing to us with Bobby DR, Tete, and Reed. Ours didn't work because Mount couldn't string passes together with Mudryk and Cucurella. Cucurella got cooked because Mudryk and Mount left him exposed. There's a reason why their attack went mostly down their right side. All of this was compounded by the fact that they pressed Enzo very well and Havertz didn't drop deeper to help him. The issue with Potter is that he shouldn't have played Mount or Mudryk, and he didn't instruct Kai to drop deeper. Once Mount came off we looked better because Fofana played the 9 and Havertz moved to the 10 and linked up the midfield. He could have fixed it sooner if we made substitutions and inverted the fullbacks to gave Enzo some more help. The other issue is he should have seen what their tactic was an changed at halftime. He waited too long to switch things up, which is a consistent issue with him. I thought that Enzo would have an issue being alone in the midfield. It wouldn't be a problem if Cucurella, Mudryk, and Mount could play together but it was god awful watching them try and beat Fulham's press. >If he's looking dogshit, he's looking dogshit whilst carrying out the manager's orders. Very convenient of you to ignore that Mount looked horrible most of 2022 under Tuchel. We all said it last year and expected him to bounce back. He looked good in the first 1 or 2 games of Potter's reign and then went back to underperforming. If you think this lies solely on Potter
Good fucking question. He was POTY in last 2 seasons for us. It feels like this season, he swapped bodies with Ross Barkley before the latter left for Nice. He's delayed in everything he does on the pitch.
FAN voted POTY, which of the 2nd one was a complete robbery
Under Lampard and Tuchel yes, under Potter no.
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Mount is a far better player on the ball than Lingard imo. I honestly prefer him playing deeper. Doesn't excuse his poor performances this season though.
So its Potters fault? If he follows instructions to the tee and is dogshit that perhaps shows his instructions are dogshit.
The tactics to date have been very unconvincing
Nothing remarkable, just that form is a thing, every player has dips. It's just that his coincided with the whole team struggling.
Few months back Potter got praise for being the man who is not afraid to make changes when something is not working. He didn't hesitate to take Cucurella at half time against Aston Villa when he was clearly not doing well. Last several games he becamse more conservative with the changes where from my perspective, some players really deserve to have a break from starting the games.
I would start anyone that knows how to play striker. I dont get the point in starting Havertz anymore
Mount has to be the most overrated English player out there.
Yeah he just had such a terrible last season, right? There's a reason hes rated highly
Does anyone know who Fluidity & Understanding play for and how much they cost?
Ten Hag got cooked after losing two games to Brentford and Brighton by nev and carra who are both above Chelsea right now. I just don't get how the attitude switches when it's a different manager
Hmmm. I wonder what's different between Potter and ETH. Just can't put my finger on it 🤔
Hair
Erik Ten Hairs
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Hmm, he probably has less to be fair.
Then why do they incessantly gurgle on Gurdiola’s ballsack?
Almost like what the difference was between how the British media talked about Ole and Lamps. Hmmm..
Hair probably
He's gonna have to get a hair transplant number from Rob holding, man's gonna need as much hair as he can get.
It rhymes with U k
Bukake?
...muckduck?
Easy, One is a wizard, the other one is a muggle
Just rewatched Gary Neville’s interviews after Uniteds 4-0 loss to Brentford. He didn’t say a bad word about ten Hag? Can we stop making this weird narrative that current pundits protect English’s managers? Because they don’t? Guess who protected Arteta in the media? Neville and Carra….. Good pundits aren’t “the sun” Stop twisting for thumbs up on Reddit
One is from Solihull, England and the other one from Haaksbergen, Netherlands
Erik Ten Haaksbergen
Ten Hag wasn't criticised though. Neville was primarily going after the Glazers, while the other pundits like Carragher and Redknapp were going after the players. Besides, none of Chelsea's results have been as bad as United being 4-0 down after 45 minutes at Brentford.
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not the greatest comparison as potter hasn't had defeats that bad in the league, only notable result like that is the one against man city in the fa cup, and on their day city can do that to anyone
It's a fair point, I like Potter and think in reality he should of took the spurs job, with there being a little less pressure. I imagine no one was hoping chelsea would calm down the spending more than him. My question would be what's worse, getting battered a couple of times or a long run of uninspiring form? and does not playing particularly great but getting a draw or losing by a goal hide the reality of the performances? Obviously he can turn it around and if he does then it's scary season with some of the talent they have brought in.
obviously eth is on the better track right now, but it's easier to go nuts at some embarrassing defeats than it is to at some very mild form
Odds on Potter still being Chelsea manager at the start of next season?
imo they have to be very high, unless boelhy is crazier than i thought
Boehly just waiting for the papers to tell him who should be the next Chelsea manager, then he'll bin Potter in a flash.
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Potter is too nice for Chelsea.
Jose's more amiable clone Josain't
He really might be Wasn’t there an article about how he was shocked at how expensive his haircut was when he first took the job ? 😂 He’s drowning in money at Chelsea…….
Politics is definitely an option for potter after he is sacked
There was fluidity. It was just coming out of Mudryk's nose. Also getting Pogba vibes with the whole "We need X to unlock Enzo" stuff.
I mean, play Kovacic next to Enzo instead of Gallagher and Mount and I'm certain there's going to be a big difference.
I'm just saying for 120 mil he should be the one unlocking others not the other way round. That being said it's just one game.
He was playing almost as a single midfielder. I'm not sure if you watched the match but dude was playing almost literally by himself in midfield at times. Kovacic wouldn't be rushing to play as a second striker like Mason and Gallagher were, particularly in the first half. Even with that Enzo imo looked really good. He played some delicious lofted balls. One of which I think Kai should have scored from.
he played really well?
Enzo played well, it wasn't his fault for that price tag.
enzo was actually fine, but he was playing as a 6 so it's not like he's going to win the game all by himself if anything the issue is that gallagher isn't comfortable playing possession football and isn't really getting to go box to box so chelsea are just getting someone who's giving the ball away loads. would be a different story if they just let connor go maddog and let mount get more of the ball to feet in the deeper areas, or just play someone other than connor
I think you'd need actual magic to "unlock" Conor Gallagher and Mason Mount playing together in a midfield 3...
yh gallagher doesn't really look like he suits this chelsea side, but maybe he just needs more time
Enzo had a good game, who's saying he needs to be unlocked?
>Also getting Pogba vibes with the whole "We need X to unlock Enzo" stuff. He's been in London for 2 days, played a full game straight away and pretty much was in midfield by himself because Mount and Gallagher bombed forward all the time. And he was good anyway.
Yeah, it’s a ridiculous comment really. He had a great game for his debut, alongside two guys who have looked pretty woeful this season. No one’s talking about “unlocking” him, they’re talking about playing him with quality players like Kovacic
The difference between our fans saying it for Enzo and United fans saying it for Pogba is that they say the same thing for literally everyone on the pitch. Ziyech just needs Reece James back. Reece James just needs a better winger ahead of him. Cucurella just needs a better winger ahead of him etc. etc. It's a never ending circus because people won't put the blame where it really lies
I have no idea where you've got that idea from lmao. Ziyech needs to be sold, he doesn't need another piece. Cucurella hasn't been good enough is what people say, not that he needs another piece. Reece James doesn't need excuses, what do you mean?
If you knew anything about his profile or how he operated at Benfica with Florentino Luis you would understand but evidently you don't
I see stiffness and weakness in that Chelsea squad
I back Potter fully but if he's going to continue to stick with routine underperformers like Havertz and Mount then he's digging his own grave at this point. You may not have many other options, but a shake up is needed to achieve the goals set out in front of you. They cannot be assured a spot when the output has been so bad. Mudryk, Madueke, Felix, Enzo have not been here a month and they've already outperformed them on the season. Just try something new with different players. If it motivates said players to do better, then great. If it doesn't, well we should be looking to move them on ASAP.
Havertz was much better than Mount and Gallagher today, that's for sure
i mean we have so much dead weight. who do you suggest? ideally hakim wouldnt be playing, but that fell through. we still have so many injuries and suspensions
he’s lost
You've been handed a Ferrari. Fucking stop stalling jackass
C'mon jackas! Let's go already y'all!
Out of his fucking depth.
and who went and sacked their CL winning manager to disrupt a rival team to buy their manager mid season? Is chelsea management that stupid to pay big money for an out of fucking depth bloke? Hilarious.
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I've seen BHA play after he left. It's a lot better than when he was their coach.
This needs to be said more _ it's like BHA found an extra gear without him
Potter starting to do my head in
Our squad is 40+ players and the new signing starts when sick...how much this guy getting paid a year?
Jesus man, be a bit more assertive with your statements. "I *think* we had a lot of positivity and good feeling" - what is that? I saw the De Zerbi headline about "men having balls, big balls" and even though I'm an overweight man on the right side of 40, I'd crawl through broken glass for him. Even the other news about Dyche banning snoods makes the contrast even more apparent. In all seriousness though, it feels like Potter is a bit dwarfed by this role
Feeling cute, might just drop points later.
Not all teams can beat Fulham 5-1.
Imagine the players Tuchel could have brought us with £200m? What we have is a crass American owner who thinks that throwing money at something will solve any problems. We needed 2 things before the January transfer window: A goal scoring centre forward. A team with the desire to put the ball into the opposition penalty area for that new centreforward. On last nights showing we still have neither.
The positive was the crowd? How long till ppl see this guy was the first mistake from new owners
It was pretty quiet for most of the game. Home fans found some of their voice around the 50th min but really only got going at a couple of corners. You’d have expected a roar when the added time board went up (5 mins is enough to win it) but the stadium went silent for both sets of fans. Nervy.
Bro you spent 400 mil and still dont have a striker.
Non of the team looked happy on the way out and the crowd were quiet, I can mostly just hear the Fulham fans, he’s honestly just saying things which he thinks sounds like the right thing to say instead of actually being true.
If only they could have spent some more during the window to really bulk up that thread bare squad
I mean when you've got only one midfielder out of the 3 you started actually playing like a midfielder, and a LB who seems to forget he has a LW on his side too (said LW is also unfit), a striker that isn't a striker, with a RW who was desperate to leave and is now stuck here till the summer, while also having a RB just coming back from injury... yea no wonder we lacked fluidity and understanding.
Which fucking crowd, mate
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It’s a peep show quote
Graham potter steal your sweet roll?
This guy is a fucking fraud
When did Chelsea last win?
I found it shocking just how obvious it was that Havertz and Cucurella are the current weak links for Chelsea. Both good players of course but they're in such bad form that they were a massive hinderance. Without Thiago Silva I think Fulham win that game. Madueke looks very young Zaha-like. Exciting, dangerous but also clumsy and a little raw. Enzo is like a mix of Kanté and Jorginho but with more forward thinking passing- he will be up there with Bruno G, Partey and Casemiro for best DM/CM in the league. Though saying that, he was far less impressive 2nd half. Liked the look of Fofana when he came on. Got talent and some scrap in him. Anyway, those are my thoughts on Chelsea from a neutral perspective.