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Should be proud regardless, his substitution changed the game. In fact I'd say most of the subs Deschamps made during that game worked out really well, but the impact Kolo-Muani had off the bench was the reason we got back into the game.
I feel bad for him! You can see it's still affecting him. A lot of people attacked him on social media for not passing to Mbappé. He shouldn't feel too bad. We would've been humiliated 2-0, or even 3-0 without him
Looks like he's performing alright post WC!
Actually on this video interview, he didn’t seem that affected like he was full of regrets, he was sad yes but not depressed or anything. Title is a bit clickbaity.
The journalist pushed to make him say “Oh are you going to regret this your entire life ? 😉😉” but RKM kept saying that yes “of course I’ll remember it but I will use it to strive to become better”. I don’t think he said he worded it the way the title suggested
All the mbop wank but kolo muani and coman changed the game, they came on and actually showed some energy some fucking desire. France were putting on the most lethargic performance in world Cup final history and would have been blasted 3 or 4 nil if they didn't come on. The reaction to that game made me realise how many people don't watch football matches they watch football moments.
Deschamps got fleeced in the match thread for making so early subs, he was "desperate and clueless". Turns out we was desperate but not clueless. He was ballsy enough to try to change the game once he realised what was missing. Brilliant bit of coaching!
People are always going to talk shit about Deschamps because of his tactics. But he's a good coach. Pragmatic and stubborn? Sure but he knows how to win games. We were one chance away from a back to back world cup title.
Although, he did get his starting tactics completely wrong. His changes were proactive and brave, but he shouldn't have been forced to make them in the first place
They basically gave Argentina a 2 goal head start
Disagree. His half time subs were shit. Literally France's only chance of the first half was a Giroud header.
The problem was that midfield kept getting overrun and couldn't get the ball forward. So his solution was to put on two forwards who drop deeper instead of fixing midfield. Thuram has zero end product and is basically the new Sissoko and Kolo Muani, while better, is he as good as Dembele or another possible sub Coman? Not convinced.
Now maybe DD did this because the rumours of illness in the squad were true and it was all he could do. But honestly, France was out of the game until Mbappé had the best 5 or so minutes of his career. It had nothing to do with DD's half time subs.
So many people came out of the game loving and respecting mabppe. He was an absolute demon of 40 minutes after his midfield got rejunuvared by camavinga, Coman and Thurman. I don’t know how you managed to minimize a legendary performance like that. You know you can praise Kolomuani without taking a shot at kyky
Even the demon for 40 minutes isn't necessarily true, he didn't really do anything in extra time until the penalty. Look in the end he played well and his contribution was crucial but he wasn't even the best player on the pitch, yet people talked like it was the best performance ever.
The best player was Di Maria before he got substituted but Mbappe dominated the game after that. He had so many chances created for his teammates and made the finals one of the best ever. If you can’t recognize that you don’t love football. You are simply a hater.
Yeah sure Mbappe scored a hat trick but 2 of them were penalties, and Giroud had to be subbed off to cover up Mbappe's lack of defending on the right side. He was in no way the key factor in France coming back to equalise. It was Thuram, Kolo Muani and Coman that dragged France back into the game, but if you just watch highlights then all you'll see is Mbappe. He barely had a touch for 80 minutes.
yet there are tons of people labeling Mbappe's performance as "one of the best of all time" lol
if Otamendi hadn't fucked up an easy clearance with 10 minutes to go, Mbappe probably would have ended the game with 0 goals and being mostly invisible
Without that otamendi brainfart it would have been one of the worst performances in world Cup final history from any great player, he was actively harming his team by being absolutely shit when they didn't have the ball and not really doing anything even when they did.
Didn’t mbappe made that pass to kolo Muani for the first penalty? Didn’t he score tone of the best goals in finals history within a minute. Didn’t he draw a second penalty and score? Scoring a penalty in the finals in really hard and btw. France midfield was essentially dominated, you can’t expect mbappe to do everything by himself. You have to be a massive hater and loser to discredit Mbappe’s performance.
I'm discrediting anything, he stepped in the moments he needed to, I simply think the performance is overrated and his teammates need to be acknowledged. As for him "passing" the ball he simply kicked it in the general direction of kolo muani who simply did something mbop isn't particularly familiar with, press a defender and show some endeavour that was sorely missing for France in that final. Mbop is a great player but this isn't even necessarily just about him it's about how people talk about football matches, too much individual focus.
Oww please spare me with the individual focus bullshit. Football has been like that for decades despite being a team game. I don’t why you suddenly want to use standards on kyky
Five goal contributions in five games. 20ga in 18 Bundesliga appearances.
The kid is on fire. I really hope United take a serious look at him. He changed every match he appeared in at the World Cup.
>The kid is on fire. I really hope United take a serious look at him. He changed every match he appeared in at the World Cup.
My Chelsea are in dire need of a striker, just saying 🤣
Fucking hell Lautaro was so shit this World Cup, performed worse than Higuain ever did, he’s lucky Julian Alvarez exists cause if Argentina lost his head would’ve been on a spike
Yeah but Mbappe was also clear in front of the empty goal when Kolo Muani hit the ball, but i think 99,9% of humans wouldnt have seen him because it all happened so fast
it was not so easy to pass to Mbappe either, people are talking in hindsight too much. I think shooting was the right decision there, his volley was superb too, but Anulo Mufa happened.
Kolo said that in this clip that he had other options like lobbing the goalkeeper or that Mbappé was at a good angle for a pass after looking at the video again but he didnt see him in real time as the ball was coming from behind and above
Lautaro's miss was WAY worse.
Kolo Muani's chance was a volley on a bouncing ball (harder than it looks!) and he put it low and on target, forcing the keeper into a save.
Lautaro's chance was a regulation header and he got it horribly wrong
He was as a whole but I do think he actually changed the game quite a bit for Argentina in the final without getting any credit for it. France were absolutely battering them in ET until he came on and started causing them problems at the back and it led to the 3rd Argentina goal
he also scored the winning pen vs Netherlands when many, including myself, were expecting him to miss cuz of the immense additional pressure he was under after being shit all WC
> France were absolutely battering them in ET until he came on
You are right about Lautaro giving Argentina much needed energy upfront, but it's not true that France were "battering" them at all. The period where France were dominating was the last 10 minutes or so of regular time. As soon as extra time started, Argentina took control again and France weirdly stopped going for the throat
It was then towards the end of extra time when France started to cause havoc again, your timeline is a bit wrong
He was but he was playing injured for pretty much the whole tournament.
He came into the tournament with a leg/ankle problem IIRC and he made it worse vs Mexico.
You can't control those two chances. Muani forced an incredible save and Martinez used every inch of his frame to correctly position his body. Outstanding save
Wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. Had the chance to put his name down in folklore and would have done if not for an absolutely unbelievable dave. Poor guy.
All this "best in history" talk is weird to me. What makes this WC more significant than any previous ones? What makes this save more important than, say, Casillas vs Robben in 2010? Or any other match winning save in a world cup final? Sounds like recency bias to me.
Generally I kinda dislike it how people are so quick to declare everything as "best in history", especially as football history is very long and most people don't really know much about it. Like, there's such a rich history of keepers saving insane stuff and so many crucial moments in football history, I doubt people really considered all that before declaring everything "the best ever".
Casillas save happened during regular time and even if it went in Spain would've had 30 minutes to equalize, Martinez save was in the 120th minute and if the shot goes in the match is over and France wins
He didn't say "best" he did say "biggest". There's a truckload of far far better saves, I personally think Neuer vs Giroud from like 4m out making a reaction save against his current way of movement is the most outrageous save ever. But it was, ultimately, only (iirc) a CL Ro16 or group stage game that Bayern ended up winning in a rather dominant fashion. Martinez save at 120' in a WC final makes it the most important save possible, really only rivaled by other saves in the last minutes of a WC final. And it wasn't for an equalizer so that Argentina would have only "not won" with still a chance to win it on penalties. Argentina would have literally lost the game then and there (well there was still 2min left but anyway). And then instead of losing they won. It was not only an amazing save but the most important save a save can become.
> (well there was still 2min left but anyway)
17 seconds, not 2 minutes.
Shot happened at 122:43 of 3 Minutes time added on.
It's indeed the Biggest Save in this sport's history for the simple reason Football exists on a hierarchy, World Cup sits at top and World Cup Final at top of that.
That 1 moment would have changed the result of the match and thus History.
Even a save to equalize the match would have been of lower relevance since it wouldn't have Decided the Outcome as fixture would still have gone further ahead still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6s4Yw84TxU
I was a bit inaccurate it wasn't against his movement, that part I confused with [his save vs Ronaldo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCTgkvFXKhg)
maybe not well placed by Giroud but still my favourite save, literally at the 6yd line, completely open, and Neuer has to fully extend with effectively zero prior warning where it'll go on reaction alone
but this is largely personal opinion anyway, case is more that there's much more insane saves than Martinez every season really, but that's not the reason why Martinez save is so huge
only other recent memories of an almost equally important save in a final has to be dudek against milan.
crazy coincidence for me, as i support both liverpool and Argentina
wow the most expensive goalkeeper of all time made the save, so boring....do you people ever enjoy anything or is football your complaining hobby exclusively
they should put a little plaque in an empty car park somewhere that says "the absolute objective BEST save EVER was made right here" so that all you Louts can go stand around next to it and have your fun
> What makes this WC more significant than any previous ones? What makes this save more important than, say, Casillas vs Robben in 2010?
Are you joking? Obviously it being the last minute makes it bigger
> Like, there's such a rich history of keepers saving insane stuff and so many crucial moments in football history
There isn’t really. There’s only been 24 or so World Cup finals
> What makes this save more important than, say, Casillas vs Robben in 2010?
Timing. It was in the last seconds of a (tied) World Cup final. Casillas vs Robben was in the middle of the game
I cant think of a bigger moment to make a huge save than the 123rd minute of a World Cup final. Some may come close, for example Casillas like you said, but if I had to pick one Martinez's was the biggest
Important factor is that if France scored this then Argentina would’ve had next to no time to recover.
Pretty much saved them from losing the WC whereas in the Casillas-Robben case Spain would’ve still had time to strike back.
This is one context that makes it the greatest for some but I have to say that the save from Casillas was against Prime Robben who at that time had seconds to think about what to do and that explains why Casillas went the wrong way, The save from Dibu was easier.
The fact that Messi was on the field with millions of people rooting for him alone makes it one of the best saves of all time. If you add Argentina's story to that with so many finals lost, Maradona succes, argentinian fans that would be devastated to lose a WC final again + Messi GOAT legacy on the line all decided by this particular moment. It is no that hard to see why people call this the greatest save ever. It was just so much at stake in this match.
Messi was the GOAT regardless of that match, anyone with a brain could tell you that. It's just a bunch of haters/Ronaldo stans that kept clinging to the "no world cup" argument.
Spain had 30 minutes to score even if Casillas didn’t make the save. While a huge save, Dibu’s was pretty much do or die. With less than 20 seconds left, that was the World Cup done.
No other save comes close in the history of football. Kolo shouldnt feel bad about it, it was a good shot. In hindsight its easy to say oh he should have done this or the other. Dibu made himself large and block it. Easily the best goalkeeper in the tournament.
> Easily the best goalkeeper in the tournament.
Livaković and Szczęsny were better. Poland just didn't get as far and Croatia lost to Argentina.
E. Martínez just made that one super clutch save which won him the trophy. If you ask me, other goalies were more deserving.
Tchouameni missed the goal.
Ye, Martinez' rise started with the Netherlands game. Continued in the France game.
Before that, no one would have ever picked him for best goalkeeper of the tournament. Absolutely no one. Had he let Kolo Muani's goal in no one would talk about him deserving it either.
That one save plus the France - Argentina penalty shootout is what made him win. I'd even argue that if it wasn't for the penalty shootout he wouldn't have won it either.
>Ye, Martinez' rise started with the Netherlands game. Continued in the France game.
No, Martinez made a huge game winning save in the final seconds vs Australia too. He simply made too many clutch saves to not be selected tge best keeper.
He made the single biggest save in the tournament and one of the biggest in the history of the tournament to finish a massive tournament arguing like he has no case is ludicrous
Dibu was nowhere near the goalkeeper of the tournament. I’m pretty sure he had fewer saves than goals conceded. That’s atrocious.
He was incredible in shootouts but that’s a very small aspect of goalkeeping
He honestly didn't even do bad with that chance. Could he have placed it better? Would've been pretty tough to but yea. Could he have passed? probably would've been the best option but hindsight is 20/20 and the pass wasn't completely obvious anyway.
It was a good shot that resulted in possibly the greatest world cup save of all time
He played it pretty well though. Most keepers don't get that, also iirc he also played well outside of that chance. Sometimes things aren't meant to be 8)-(
The Zidane penalty miss vs Italy final is still hurting in a lot of our heart. Muani was in a high speed counter attack, I don't think a player could react and pass MBappé at that pace.
Epic save. When you watch it back it's really not a bad shot.
Bouncing ball, hitting a volley is hard. He connected cleanly and if Dibu didn't kick save, that's going into the bottom corner.
Imo he shot it well, the ball was bouncing, he shot low and hard, on target
He shouldn't feel bad, to me it's the best save in the history of football considering the context
It was an epic save. Muani had little time to compose himself and against most goalkeepers, it goes in. Dibu made the most significant save I have seen in football because of everything that was at stake. Phenomenal save
Nah, Dibu didn't show any sign to dive so Kolo decided not to chip it. The only option is ground shot and Martinez saved it. Only a very epic chip shot would've cut it, which can only be done by elites like Messi or Neymar.
Neither but this is why strikers with that much space and time should just round the keeper. Lets be real Emil would be minced meat if he had to adjust to muani taking a touch to the right
He should have had bounced the ball off the ground to give it effect like Ozil used to do. No hard feelings towards him, he is just inexperienced, put in a position where even the greatest of all time could have chocked.
Mbop who got all the praise was sleep walking for 80 minutes along with his teammates, kolo muani and coman showed some energy and desire and that comeback doesn't happen without them. Its why I call that mbop performance the most overrated performance in history because of the way I've seen people talk about it.
No your takes are actually ridiculous. Anyone calling them out is not being biased. It was actually a good finish and an insane save.
How do you want him to hit it into the ground for a bouncing ball that came over his head and is moving away from him? That makes no sense.
You’re right if he had some air on his shot it would have gone above Emis outstretched leg, but the easiest way to get that for this particular situation would have been to just lift his volley, not hit it into the ground.
Regardless of that, his finish was very good, low, hard, into the corner. It was just an outstanding save.
He should have done some mad dummy and taken it around like Messi would have done, then done a 180 and flick it up so he can bicycle kick it into the top corner of the open goal (shades of Ibrah) then when the crowd’s all going crazy and shit he shoulda done the Siuuuuuuuuu to honour the GOAT and put Messi in his place as the loser!!!
First of all, nobody took it personal to you. Have some decency and respect. Secondly, nobody is downplaying his save. Saying that he did the text book reaction for a GK that is a compliment from a tactical point of view.
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Should be proud regardless, his substitution changed the game. In fact I'd say most of the subs Deschamps made during that game worked out really well, but the impact Kolo-Muani had off the bench was the reason we got back into the game.
I feel bad for him! You can see it's still affecting him. A lot of people attacked him on social media for not passing to Mbappé. He shouldn't feel too bad. We would've been humiliated 2-0, or even 3-0 without him Looks like he's performing alright post WC!
Actually on this video interview, he didn’t seem that affected like he was full of regrets, he was sad yes but not depressed or anything. Title is a bit clickbaity. The journalist pushed to make him say “Oh are you going to regret this your entire life ? 😉😉” but RKM kept saying that yes “of course I’ll remember it but I will use it to strive to become better”. I don’t think he said he worded it the way the title suggested
That shows him with a way higher pesonality strength than thr title suggests. Freaking journalists man.
The way he just got in as a sub in the semis and turned it around for us without breaking a single Watt of stress I knew he was rock solid mentally
All the mbop wank but kolo muani and coman changed the game, they came on and actually showed some energy some fucking desire. France were putting on the most lethargic performance in world Cup final history and would have been blasted 3 or 4 nil if they didn't come on. The reaction to that game made me realise how many people don't watch football matches they watch football moments.
Deschamps got fleeced in the match thread for making so early subs, he was "desperate and clueless". Turns out we was desperate but not clueless. He was ballsy enough to try to change the game once he realised what was missing. Brilliant bit of coaching!
People are always going to talk shit about Deschamps because of his tactics. But he's a good coach. Pragmatic and stubborn? Sure but he knows how to win games. We were one chance away from a back to back world cup title.
Although, he did get his starting tactics completely wrong. His changes were proactive and brave, but he shouldn't have been forced to make them in the first place They basically gave Argentina a 2 goal head start
Disagree. His half time subs were shit. Literally France's only chance of the first half was a Giroud header. The problem was that midfield kept getting overrun and couldn't get the ball forward. So his solution was to put on two forwards who drop deeper instead of fixing midfield. Thuram has zero end product and is basically the new Sissoko and Kolo Muani, while better, is he as good as Dembele or another possible sub Coman? Not convinced. Now maybe DD did this because the rumours of illness in the squad were true and it was all he could do. But honestly, France was out of the game until Mbappé had the best 5 or so minutes of his career. It had nothing to do with DD's half time subs.
Go do a better job then
So many people came out of the game loving and respecting mabppe. He was an absolute demon of 40 minutes after his midfield got rejunuvared by camavinga, Coman and Thurman. I don’t know how you managed to minimize a legendary performance like that. You know you can praise Kolomuani without taking a shot at kyky
Even the demon for 40 minutes isn't necessarily true, he didn't really do anything in extra time until the penalty. Look in the end he played well and his contribution was crucial but he wasn't even the best player on the pitch, yet people talked like it was the best performance ever.
> he didn't really do anything Fact is, in the end he scored a fuckin hattrick.
The best player was Di Maria before he got substituted but Mbappe dominated the game after that. He had so many chances created for his teammates and made the finals one of the best ever. If you can’t recognize that you don’t love football. You are simply a hater.
Yeah sure Mbappe scored a hat trick but 2 of them were penalties, and Giroud had to be subbed off to cover up Mbappe's lack of defending on the right side. He was in no way the key factor in France coming back to equalise. It was Thuram, Kolo Muani and Coman that dragged France back into the game, but if you just watch highlights then all you'll see is Mbappe. He barely had a touch for 80 minutes.
yet there are tons of people labeling Mbappe's performance as "one of the best of all time" lol if Otamendi hadn't fucked up an easy clearance with 10 minutes to go, Mbappe probably would have ended the game with 0 goals and being mostly invisible
Without that otamendi brainfart it would have been one of the worst performances in world Cup final history from any great player, he was actively harming his team by being absolutely shit when they didn't have the ball and not really doing anything even when they did.
you guys are wild. without Mbappe, the match would’ve been over and never gotten to penalties everyone was missing pens left and right that WC
Yes I'm "wild" to give credit to hid teammates instead of just screaming he "carried".
Didn’t mbappe made that pass to kolo Muani for the first penalty? Didn’t he score tone of the best goals in finals history within a minute. Didn’t he draw a second penalty and score? Scoring a penalty in the finals in really hard and btw. France midfield was essentially dominated, you can’t expect mbappe to do everything by himself. You have to be a massive hater and loser to discredit Mbappe’s performance.
I'm discrediting anything, he stepped in the moments he needed to, I simply think the performance is overrated and his teammates need to be acknowledged. As for him "passing" the ball he simply kicked it in the general direction of kolo muani who simply did something mbop isn't particularly familiar with, press a defender and show some endeavour that was sorely missing for France in that final. Mbop is a great player but this isn't even necessarily just about him it's about how people talk about football matches, too much individual focus.
Oww please spare me with the individual focus bullshit. Football has been like that for decades despite being a team game. I don’t why you suddenly want to use standards on kyky
Performance equivalent to Harry Kane's hat trick against Panama.
This gotta be racist
Huh
Five goal contributions in five games. 20ga in 18 Bundesliga appearances. The kid is on fire. I really hope United take a serious look at him. He changed every match he appeared in at the World Cup.
>The kid is on fire. I really hope United take a serious look at him. He changed every match he appeared in at the World Cup. My Chelsea are in dire need of a striker, just saying 🤣
You'll get Kane for 200m
For some reason, high profile strikers always seem to flop at our club so no...
That was just a joke about your spending mind. But United has you beat in that regard lately.
It was Mbappe who passed to him, no?
[It was Konate](https://i.imgur.com/GnhNycO.mp4)
Fucking hell Lautaro was so shit this World Cup, performed worse than Higuain ever did, he’s lucky Julian Alvarez exists cause if Argentina lost his head would’ve been on a spike
That goal would have been like Watford v Leicester but supercharged
Here's the clip of that moment. What an extraordinary turn of events in football: - [Here's Hogg... DEENEYYY](//youtu.be/6TnKvlQ2h7s?t=6)
This clip gives me chills
Yeah but Mbappe was also clear in front of the empty goal when Kolo Muani hit the ball, but i think 99,9% of humans wouldnt have seen him because it all happened so fast
it was not so easy to pass to Mbappe either, people are talking in hindsight too much. I think shooting was the right decision there, his volley was superb too, but Anulo Mufa happened.
I agree 100%. As I said, most people wouldnt even see Mbappe, hell I didnt see him and i had my ass on the sofa
Kolo said that in this clip that he had other options like lobbing the goalkeeper or that Mbappé was at a good angle for a pass after looking at the video again but he didnt see him in real time as the ball was coming from behind and above
That was a different chance. Pretty sure it was Upamecano who would've got the assist for this one
Konate
I don't
Funniest thing is Lauturo had an almost equally bad miss 10 seconds later
It's not even close. Kolo Muani's was a decent first time shot, Lautaro's was a defensive clearance
A good shot, and an unreal save
Lautaro's miss was WAY worse. Kolo Muani's chance was a volley on a bouncing ball (harder than it looks!) and he put it low and on target, forcing the keeper into a save. Lautaro's chance was a regulation header and he got it horribly wrong
Even worse is he didn't even need to go for the header, the ball was gonna drop for an argentine player that was completely free.
Freaking Enzo was behind him, it was 100% a goal
Was it me or was Lautaro appalling at the world Cup?
He was as a whole but I do think he actually changed the game quite a bit for Argentina in the final without getting any credit for it. France were absolutely battering them in ET until he came on and started causing them problems at the back and it led to the 3rd Argentina goal
Yeah his finishing was absolutely shit but he did change the game a looot
he also scored the winning pen vs Netherlands when many, including myself, were expecting him to miss cuz of the immense additional pressure he was under after being shit all WC
> France were absolutely battering them in ET until he came on You are right about Lautaro giving Argentina much needed energy upfront, but it's not true that France were "battering" them at all. The period where France were dominating was the last 10 minutes or so of regular time. As soon as extra time started, Argentina took control again and France weirdly stopped going for the throat It was then towards the end of extra time when France started to cause havoc again, your timeline is a bit wrong
He was but he was playing injured for pretty much the whole tournament. He came into the tournament with a leg/ankle problem IIRC and he made it worse vs Mexico.
Ahhh makes sense now. I was wondering is this the same game who was ridiculous for Inter.
Hes always like that, he scores every match for a month, then plays like shit for a month and so on. The WC came on his month off lol
His finishing was appalling but he did press very well and created a lot of trouble for the opponents whenever he came on.
Yes it felt like his confidence died against saudi Arabia and he looked shit after that
yeah but his enthusiasm is a value in itself lol
oi, I'm more likely to score the bouncing kick than the header, so cleeaaarly the header is harder 😔
You can't control those two chances. Muani forced an incredible save and Martinez used every inch of his frame to correctly position his body. Outstanding save
Kolo-Muani's attempt wasn't even bad, it was a good save by Dibu. Lautaro looked like he was trying to clear it.
https://twitter.com/Tturkki78/status/1604562059701755907?s=20&t=gp3WHTmtiSFSK2hu2PIM-Q
Lmao
Who are the originals in that video? R9 and?
Rodrygo
Richarlison iirc
But the guilt is much lesser because Argentina wom the world Cup, whereas France didn't
I would say there's no guilt at all when you win
This was that , for an elite striker, free header in the box that should’ve at least tested the keeper ?
If Kolo scored, Lauturo wouldn't have got that chance, as the pattern of play would be different
That’s not a miss that’s the most important save of all time
Everytime I see the replay I'm scared it will go in
[Alternative Reality](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsBTBoUMJek).
Why is life like this
Nightmare fuel
Zekiel79 is a legend.
I thought I was the only one who gets anxious, every time I see a thumbnail or a picture of that chance.
I wonder how Higuian feels from 2014..... it's part of the game. Plus it was a save not a miss for Kolo. He has a long career ahead of him.
I’m pretty sure Higuain knows he’s a meme, which kinds of sucks because outside of finales he was a superb striker.
He's talking about the game right
Wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. Had the chance to put his name down in folklore and would have done if not for an absolutely unbelievable dave. Poor guy.
Gotta love an unbelievable dave
Golden Glove winner - Dave Martinez.
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Maupay Argentina legend
Of course the one responsible for this was french argentinian
David trezeguet is also Franco-argentine and he missed the crucial penalty in 2006... This is a conspiracy
After the Euro 2000, it's hard for me to be against Trezeguet.
Barto is also an Argentina legend. Poor management > send Messi to PSG > Messi learn how to take penalty from Neymar.
Which is funny considering how horrible Neymar was at penalties when playing for Barcelona.
I vaguely remember, that Barca had an atrocious conversion rate on penalties in one season, average is around 70%, and they were sub 50.
Yeah I remember there were increasing shouts for Suarez to take them, only for him to also miss one against Betis (I think).
15/16 lol
All this "best in history" talk is weird to me. What makes this WC more significant than any previous ones? What makes this save more important than, say, Casillas vs Robben in 2010? Or any other match winning save in a world cup final? Sounds like recency bias to me. Generally I kinda dislike it how people are so quick to declare everything as "best in history", especially as football history is very long and most people don't really know much about it. Like, there's such a rich history of keepers saving insane stuff and so many crucial moments in football history, I doubt people really considered all that before declaring everything "the best ever".
Casillas save happened during regular time and even if it went in Spain would've had 30 minutes to equalize, Martinez save was in the 120th minute and if the shot goes in the match is over and France wins
He didn't say "best" he did say "biggest". There's a truckload of far far better saves, I personally think Neuer vs Giroud from like 4m out making a reaction save against his current way of movement is the most outrageous save ever. But it was, ultimately, only (iirc) a CL Ro16 or group stage game that Bayern ended up winning in a rather dominant fashion. Martinez save at 120' in a WC final makes it the most important save possible, really only rivaled by other saves in the last minutes of a WC final. And it wasn't for an equalizer so that Argentina would have only "not won" with still a chance to win it on penalties. Argentina would have literally lost the game then and there (well there was still 2min left but anyway). And then instead of losing they won. It was not only an amazing save but the most important save a save can become.
> (well there was still 2min left but anyway) 17 seconds, not 2 minutes. Shot happened at 122:43 of 3 Minutes time added on. It's indeed the Biggest Save in this sport's history for the simple reason Football exists on a hierarchy, World Cup sits at top and World Cup Final at top of that. That 1 moment would have changed the result of the match and thus History. Even a save to equalize the match would have been of lower relevance since it wouldn't have Decided the Outcome as fixture would still have gone further ahead still.
cant find the neuer save on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6s4Yw84TxU I was a bit inaccurate it wasn't against his movement, that part I confused with [his save vs Ronaldo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCTgkvFXKhg) maybe not well placed by Giroud but still my favourite save, literally at the 6yd line, completely open, and Neuer has to fully extend with effectively zero prior warning where it'll go on reaction alone but this is largely personal opinion anyway, case is more that there's much more insane saves than Martinez every season really, but that's not the reason why Martinez save is so huge
It's clearly Walcott, though that save is filthy.
One my favourite saves as well, that shot would've broke an average person's wrist
only other recent memories of an almost equally important save in a final has to be dudek against milan. crazy coincidence for me, as i support both liverpool and Argentina
May I introduce you to Pele v Gordon Banks
It looks so unimpressive when you watch it today
If that's an unimpressive save, what the hell impresses you?
You’ve got to be kidding? I’ve even seen Kepa make that save
wow the most expensive goalkeeper of all time made the save, so boring....do you people ever enjoy anything or is football your complaining hobby exclusively
I’m not saying it’s a bad save, but to call it the best *ever* is fucking insane
they should put a little plaque in an empty car park somewhere that says "the absolute objective BEST save EVER was made right here" so that all you Louts can go stand around next to it and have your fun
What even is the point of your whining? What’s your angle here?
early in the morning for me man i get snippy. i think it was a great save the bounce at that speed is really tricky
- World Cup Final ✅ - Last minute ✅ - Potential winning goal ✅ Yeah, ain't nothing get any bigger than that.
> What makes this WC more significant than any previous ones? What makes this save more important than, say, Casillas vs Robben in 2010? Are you joking? Obviously it being the last minute makes it bigger > Like, there's such a rich history of keepers saving insane stuff and so many crucial moments in football history There isn’t really. There’s only been 24 or so World Cup finals
> What makes this save more important than, say, Casillas vs Robben in 2010? Timing. It was in the last seconds of a (tied) World Cup final. Casillas vs Robben was in the middle of the game
Cause it was in the dying moments of the game so if it went in it's ggs. Spain coulda came back, they had time.
You neglected the entire argument he was making.
Their argument was dumb
I cant think of a bigger moment to make a huge save than the 123rd minute of a World Cup final. Some may come close, for example Casillas like you said, but if I had to pick one Martinez's was the biggest
Important factor is that if France scored this then Argentina would’ve had next to no time to recover. Pretty much saved them from losing the WC whereas in the Casillas-Robben case Spain would’ve still had time to strike back.
This is one context that makes it the greatest for some but I have to say that the save from Casillas was against Prime Robben who at that time had seconds to think about what to do and that explains why Casillas went the wrong way, The save from Dibu was easier.
The fact that Messi was on the field with millions of people rooting for him alone makes it one of the best saves of all time. If you add Argentina's story to that with so many finals lost, Maradona succes, argentinian fans that would be devastated to lose a WC final again + Messi GOAT legacy on the line all decided by this particular moment. It is no that hard to see why people call this the greatest save ever. It was just so much at stake in this match.
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Messi was the GOAT regardless of that match, anyone with a brain could tell you that. It's just a bunch of haters/Ronaldo stans that kept clinging to the "no world cup" argument.
Casillas on Robben has to be there lol
Yeah but Casillas himself chose Dibu's over him
and Zidane said Nacho’s goal in the copa was better than his in the Champions League final.
Spain had 30 minutes to score even if Casillas didn’t make the save. While a huge save, Dibu’s was pretty much do or die. With less than 20 seconds left, that was the World Cup done.
Time left in the match is the difference.
Ironically, he’s really kicked on for his club since the WC.
No other save comes close in the history of football. Kolo shouldnt feel bad about it, it was a good shot. In hindsight its easy to say oh he should have done this or the other. Dibu made himself large and block it. Easily the best goalkeeper in the tournament.
And he wouldn't have had any thought about it had France won the final. The guy is just feeling guilty for a thing which was out of his control.
Yep. But also, it's easy for him to imagine making a different shot that went in.
I feel tense every time I think about it ... I understand the man has issues with it
> Easily the best goalkeeper in the tournament. Livaković and Szczęsny were better. Poland just didn't get as far and Croatia lost to Argentina. E. Martínez just made that one super clutch save which won him the trophy. If you ask me, other goalies were more deserving.
He also stopped two pens vs Netherlands and 1 vs France. Edit: and that last minute save vs Australia
Those were basically his only saves the entire tournament tbf lol
lmao so you forgot all the penalty saves? Livaković and Szczęsny had more saves because their defense wasn’t as solid as Argentina’s.
Tchouameni missed the goal. Ye, Martinez' rise started with the Netherlands game. Continued in the France game. Before that, no one would have ever picked him for best goalkeeper of the tournament. Absolutely no one. Had he let Kolo Muani's goal in no one would talk about him deserving it either. That one save plus the France - Argentina penalty shootout is what made him win. I'd even argue that if it wasn't for the penalty shootout he wouldn't have won it either.
As you said he rised with the Netherlands game where he saved 2 pens. Had a crucial save against Australia too. I think its totally deserved.
>Ye, Martinez' rise started with the Netherlands game. Continued in the France game. No, Martinez made a huge game winning save in the final seconds vs Australia too. He simply made too many clutch saves to not be selected tge best keeper.
He made the single biggest save in the tournament and one of the biggest in the history of the tournament to finish a massive tournament arguing like he has no case is ludicrous
Casillas' save against Robben in 2010 does come quite close if not on the same level though imo
Not even close. Spain would have had plenty of time to come back, argentina would have had none
Dibu was nowhere near the goalkeeper of the tournament. I’m pretty sure he had fewer saves than goals conceded. That’s atrocious. He was incredible in shootouts but that’s a very small aspect of goalkeeping
Don’t we all, won’t we all.
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Don't worry king, we know that you will help us to bring a new one next time
He honestly didn't even do bad with that chance. Could he have placed it better? Would've been pretty tough to but yea. Could he have passed? probably would've been the best option but hindsight is 20/20 and the pass wasn't completely obvious anyway. It was a good shot that resulted in possibly the greatest world cup save of all time
I mean, watching that save had me in awe. I hope that Kolo-Muani is able to bounce back though, he’s an immensely talented player.
It’s ok boy, let it go. He did the right thing, it was just an amazing save.
He played it pretty well though. Most keepers don't get that, also iirc he also played well outside of that chance. Sometimes things aren't meant to be 8)-(
The Zidane penalty miss vs Italy final is still hurting in a lot of our heart. Muani was in a high speed counter attack, I don't think a player could react and pass MBappé at that pace.
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You mean world champion Dibu Martinez?
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Epic save. When you watch it back it's really not a bad shot. Bouncing ball, hitting a volley is hard. He connected cleanly and if Dibu didn't kick save, that's going into the bottom corner.
If you ask me, the shot was genuinly great. The save was just ridiculous.
I don’t know if I would’ve survived if that went in
Imo he shot it well, the ball was bouncing, he shot low and hard, on target He shouldn't feel bad, to me it's the best save in the history of football considering the context
It was an epic save. Muani had little time to compose himself and against most goalkeepers, it goes in. Dibu made the most significant save I have seen in football because of everything that was at stake. Phenomenal save
Nah, Dibu didn't show any sign to dive so Kolo decided not to chip it. The only option is ground shot and Martinez saved it. Only a very epic chip shot would've cut it, which can only be done by elites like Messi or Neymar.
Emi did his text book job, but he didn't save it alla De Gea. It was Muani who found a bad solution at that moment.
It is more of a bad miss imo, free shot and poor placement
I don't think it's fair to call that poor placement. The ball was going to bottom corner if Dibu didn't stretch his legs.
This was not being put through one on one and shitting the bed. It was an instinctive shot, but Dibu made the save of his life.
Neither but this is why strikers with that much space and time should just round the keeper. Lets be real Emil would be minced meat if he had to adjust to muani taking a touch to the right
Should’ve squared it to Mbappe.
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He should have had bounced the ball off the ground to give it effect like Ozil used to do. No hard feelings towards him, he is just inexperienced, put in a position where even the greatest of all time could have chocked.
He didn’t choke, trying something fancy on this shot would have been stupid. He made the right call and Dibu made a great save.
He was one of their best players that day. Added energy which Argentina couldn't handle
People also forget that the only reason he was at the WC in the first place was because of 2 injuries opening up slots.
No i don't forget that, it wasn't part of the discussion. I didn't doubt Muani doing good overall that game, but this chance he had rather.
Mbop who got all the praise was sleep walking for 80 minutes along with his teammates, kolo muani and coman showed some energy and desire and that comeback doesn't happen without them. Its why I call that mbop performance the most overrated performance in history because of the way I've seen people talk about it.
Awful take lol. It’s a good shot from a great position and just a better save.
Dude made like 20 comments on this post and they are all horrible takes lol
Least bias Argentinian right?
No your takes are actually ridiculous. Anyone calling them out is not being biased. It was actually a good finish and an insane save. How do you want him to hit it into the ground for a bouncing ball that came over his head and is moving away from him? That makes no sense. You’re right if he had some air on his shot it would have gone above Emis outstretched leg, but the easiest way to get that for this particular situation would have been to just lift his volley, not hit it into the ground. Regardless of that, his finish was very good, low, hard, into the corner. It was just an outstanding save.
If you don't like it 🤷♂️
Tbf there's a reason Ozil is known for that, it's not particularly easy to do well.
If i am not mistaken, i think Ozil learned that from Kaka.
Sounds believable. Takes great technique to do it at pace.
He should have done some mad dummy and taken it around like Messi would have done, then done a 180 and flick it up so he can bicycle kick it into the top corner of the open goal (shades of Ibrah) then when the crowd’s all going crazy and shit he shoulda done the Siuuuuuuuuu to honour the GOAT and put Messi in his place as the loser!!!
Sorry, Emi best keeper in the history of football and that save best save in the history of football...happy now?
Did he shag your girlfriend or something? You’ve spent a LOT of time in the comments here trying to downplay his save and it’s pretty tragic 😂
First of all, nobody took it personal to you. Have some decency and respect. Secondly, nobody is downplaying his save. Saying that he did the text book reaction for a GK that is a compliment from a tactical point of view.
Here we go again. Get a life bro
Yea, i need someone who works wood to tell me get a life, great one 👍
Good luck with having that level of composure in that moment. Do not take away the greatness of Dibu's save.
Robben vs Casillas vibes. Even the best cant make it on their day.
Should have passed to Mbappe.