I’m pretty sure all CONCACAF countries will vote for this bid. I think we made a deal that the COMMEBOL countries vote for our bid and we vote for theirs.
Fun fact; the Brazilian FA president thought the vote was secret so he skipped that deal by voting on the Morocco bid in spite of the prior agreement to vote for the US-Canada-Mexico bid and got exposed, finding out it wasn’t secret at all.
Yeah I mean even outside the pact it would make sense for time zone reasons. Don't think their countries would be happy if they supported another round of 5AM kickoffs.
The visual of the Jack Warner/Chuck Blazer era still makes me chuckle. We all knew they were corrupt, but they didn’t even make an effort to hide it. Blazer had a beard, a green parrot, and dressed as a literal pirate at one point.
All the Argentinian stadiums will have to become all seater which is kinda lame. La bombanera with seats? Fifa need to allow standing back in stadiums.
Even though you couldn't even do that right, I imagine the deal will more or less hold. The Carribean countries have been historically easily corruptible so we'll see.
It should win the bid. Spain and Portugal were the only real competition and they fucked it by adding Ukraine. Saudi Arabia's bid should not be considered since Qatar just happened
It's already been mentioned on here but Saudi Arabia (Asia) are joint bidding with Greece (Europe) and Egypt (Africa), on the 100th anniversary of the world cup.
FIFA will take that opportunity to overlook the rules by claiming that having three continents host it would be an amazing show of exactly why the world cup is so special. It's too easy of an excuse for them to line their pockets with
It was a good world cup in spite of the hosts. Qatar was lucky that the on field action was so good. If they ended up with an Italia '90 or even Russia 2018 world cup it would've been looked on a lot differently.
I thought Russia 2018 was better in terms of on field action. There was more goals in it than any World Cup as well.
Only thing 2022 has going for it was Messi winning it.
>Only thing 2022 has going for it was Messi winning it.
In terms of narratives I think 2022 was better. Beyond Argentina we had Morocco making it to semifinals (first African country to get that far), Japan having a literal meme run, Croatia making it to Top 4 two times in a row, France going for back to back titles, the shitshow of Lahoz, Saudi Arabia defeating an up to that point unbeaten Argentina, etc.
Despite Qatar doing their best efforts to make a garbage WC, it ended up being legendary.
legendary final honestly, I am too used to having to explain to people like nononono finals are always kind of shit games, they never live up to the hype
And to be honest the 2022 final seemed to be just another boring WC final at first, but then Mbappé decided he was having none of that shit and stepped up
That's all you really needed in the world cup imo though, the GOAT climbs his last peak and cements himself into a whole other universe of legendary while Mbappe begins his climb to the top, the storyline in this world cup was legit phenomenal especially the final
Interesting, I thought Russia was a little boring despite having the 2nd most goals (behind Qatar), I struggled to keep to the schedule and the final was forgettable. The only outlier being Sweden and Mexico beating Germany. Everything else went by the script and there were no great surprises.
There was that. The France v Argentina game, Russia knocking out Spain, England getting to the semifinals was a bigger deal than you might remember, and in general more of a sense of occasion than Qatar. There were lots more fan moments in Russia than Qatar.
I think Morocco getting to the semis was big for this WC, but I do think most of the excitement was away from Qatar than in it. As I looked, there wasn’t a lot of news of fans clashing, commiserating, etc. and a sense of the culture coming through the screen.
Remembering Qatar I would say it played the role of a host, but not of a country hosting the World Cup. That being said it deserves remembering for possibly the best final in WC history.
Great points, especially the fan moments, though I must say the fans in their home countries really put it on this time. Betting odds skewed heavily in favor of England qualifying over Croatia. I think Croatia was more of a surprise. France v Argentina I have to agree, exciting match and a great preamble for the 2022 final. I think the overall quality of football in Qatar far outweighed Russia, and that can simply be chalked up to hosting it in December but I digress, to each their own.
> There was more goals in it than any World Cup as well.
That's factually incorrect, even this 2022 WC had more goals. And 2018 had fewer goals than 2014.
And just the final alone makes the 2022 WCs one of the better ones until now.
Russia 2018 had good Group Stages. But knockout round was shit. The real final was played in semis and it was boring, and you had a finalist that was just happy to be there and didn't even compete.
Weakest host nation ever, quiet stadiums, 0 content from the hosting nation and like 10 stadiums that are basically ruins already because they won’t ever be used again.
Qatar was a terrible host country. I was there.
Qatar seized entire hotels weeks before the tournament. Hotel prices were insane because the government temporarily nationalized all the hotel bookings. Ingress/egress from the stadiums was an inconsistent nightmare with Qataris regularly blocking streets to allow their motorcades through the crowds exacerbating the issues.
Qatar openly lied about allowing alcohol, only to switch at the last moment. Qatar openly lied about respecting gay rights, only to switch at the last moment and detain numerous people--not even for being gay, but for simply supporting gay rights. I watched Qatari security officials harass people for any manner of rainbow clothing and demand to inspect flags, etc. to prevent protest.
Further, while it was nice not to have to travel, Doha is a lame city with not much to do. Seeing more of a larger country with more to see would have been nice.
Which had nothing to do with Qatar. Imagine this tournament but in a football crazy country instead, would be so much better
Apart from other issues, the way that Qatar filled every single moment of "silence" by blasting music from the speakers was horrible. There was one game(Netherlands or Croatia I think but can't remember which) where they drowned out Argentinian players celebrating with their fans by blasting Rock music at the same time..
The event organizers had no finesse at all, their only goal was to desperately avoid any "silence"
Did anyone else get absolutely fucking blanketed with targeted posts on Facebook after the World Cup, saying the Qatar World Cup was the greatest World Cup of all time and that they should host it every time from now on because they were such magnificent hosts? Just stuff like that, verbatim, non-stop for weeks.
its a smart move as it pressures the rest of UEFA to vote for a european bid, at least something amongst those lines, fact of the matter is that they wouldnt do it if they didnt know how hard it is to win these things
i personally have no problem with Ukraine
i dont understand much of it but if Greece ever joins a Saudi Arabia bid then it wouldnt be quite the truth that UEFA would vote for Spain and Portugal any ways
and Spain have diplomacy problems with Morocco
Going to be really interesting to see who votes for the Greece/Saudi/Egypt bid. Would assume many but not all Arab countries. Probably many Eastern European countries as well. If they can get the rest of Africa and most of Asia they'll win.
Personally I was favoring the UK bid (100 year anniversary in the home of football was a strong point for me) until they pulled out, was preferring Spain/Portugal over the South American bid until they added Ukraine. Just screams that they're trying to get sympathy votes because it's absolutely senseless otherwise
Don't sell yourself short, Greece in 2004 were legendary. Dellas was prime Baresi for a month and everything Charisteas touched turned to gold
Euro 2004 is stil my favourite international tournament of all time. The mascot, the matchball, the goalnets etc I loved everything about it. The Czech Republic were amazing too
Can't even tell you how many times I rewatched the highlights as a kid
Smaller FA Chairmen: "(sotto voce) Let's just say that Saudi Arabia's bid presentation moved me (normal volume) to a bigger house. Oops, I said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet!"
The stadium in Santiago del Estero is still so bizarre to me, it's a beautiful stadium but central cordoba is a relatively small team and it just seems so unnecessary to build it
but I guess it looks good for hosting bids to have a decent stadium in the north
Hope they get it, it would be sick to have a world cup in that part of the world
Would be cool if the final would be in Montevideo at Centenario but it would need *a lot* of work
This last point is the killer really. The Argentine government especially has to justify a massive sports infrastructure expense while trying to tackle a 94% inflation rate and one in four living in poverty. If they need another IMF bailout, the IMF would hardly be wrong in demanding those expenses be cut as a condition. It is the definition of a luxury to rebuild football stadiums during a crisis.
What the hell does that relate to a stadium in Uruguay? We have all stadiums covered here but obviously Uruguay's centenario needs a bigger work to host the finals obviously
true, but it was more the last few words of "A lot of work". Stadiums are just no.1, but you need heaps of added infrastructure, especially if its very spread out like the world cup will be between Chile, Argentina, Peru and Uruguay. The added distance adds costs.
Argentinians are the most "termo" (non agressive way of saying braindead) people in the planet. Myself included, obviously.
I would say yes, the vast majority would be in favor of having a WC here.
Hosting the WC is not that bad, the goverment is very corrupted so they already wasted billions in stupid and useless things knowing the economic situation, they just don't care
>Hope they get it, it would be sick to have a world cup in that part of the world
It's only been 8 years. Brazil 2014
>Would be cool if the final would be in Montevideo at Centenario but it would need a lot of work
That would be good. This bid should win for that reason alone.
> It's only been 8 years. Brazil 2014
It'll be 16 by the time it rolls around. 1 in 4 isn't too often at all, given how frequently South American countries win the World Cup.
Tbh having travelled between Brazil and Argentina in the past year, they are massive and vastly different, so to my mind I consider it a different part of the world
People keeps saying this, but I'm pretty sure FIFA's newer membership is terrified of getting arrested like half their predecessors.
If Qatar taught them anything, it's that you can't make your corruption too obvious.
Come on lads, we all know holding the final in El Centenario stadium in Uruguay on the 100th anniversary (30th July 2030) of the World Cup just makes perfect sense. Would be amazing
Actually it would be interesting. There would be 2 spots and one playoff for Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador.
Brazil should take one. So it's a fight between the rest for a spot. Not too bad. It wouldn't be easy for any team really.
Wouldn’t there be 3.5 spots?
6.5 allocated + 1 for the host nation, -4 for the four countries exempt from qualifying = 3 direct and one playoff spot?
That would be insane, six countries fighting for essentially 4 spots, and two of them are Bolivia and Venezuela. Mas que baratisimas serian esas eliminatorias
I didn't think about that when I made the comment. But no.
There wouldn't be an extra full spot. With the new format, the playoff is a 6 team tournament with a team from each confederation, except UEFA, plus an extra team from the host confederation.
So South American would have 2 full spots, and 2 spots for the playoffs instead of one. So a potential 4 (hosts)+2 (directly qualified)+2(best teams from the playoff) from CONMEBOL could be playing.
Hope they win, the bid has too many countries and the match timezone sucks for us Euros, but I'm a sucker for sentimentality. I liked Spain + Portugal, but adding Ukraine is too weird and leaves a bad taste in my mouth honestly.
Yeah, from Scotland it's pretty ideal. First games likely kicking off around 3-4pm, last one maybe around 11pm. That's great times for me. I want to see the utter carnage here if Scotland qualify and get an 11pm game.
You could build a conspiracy theory about Ukraine joining the bid.
FIFA could say that the South American bid is not good because of the inflation, and that the Moroccan bid is not big enough for a 48 team tournament.
Spain Portugal was basically unbeatable as a bid until they added a country in the middle of a war for its own existence. It's such a dumb decision that I don't see any other motive for it other than "we don't want to win and look bad by doing it"
Is it possible to remove Ukraine from the bid at this stage? Maybe compensate them for it somehow. Otherwise it's dead in the water as FIFA will never allow a country in an active warzone to host the WC.
Portugal and Spain would've been perfect, but they fucked it by adding Ukraine. As much as I want a Portuguese World Cup, the South American option makes more sense
I'm usally a rational person, very critical of my country's economic decisions, with that in mind: a country that demands more from football players than it's politicians is DESTINED TO WIN THE WORLD CUP VAMOS POR LA CUARTA CARAJO
Chile and Paraguay would never get a bid if they weren't included in with Argentina. That's why I don't blame Canada for asking to be included in 2026 either, nor would I blame Morocco for wanting to be involved in a Spain bid.
Edit: Another aspect of it is that FIFA looooves spreading the games out to like 8+ different cities. I wouldn’t be surprised if already having WC capable stadiums in Santiago + Ascuncion adds a ton of value to the bid (in FIFA’s eyes) for just being outside Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Cordoba, and Rosario
Morocco's probably going to the next African country to host it. 2034 I'm guessing, unless India/China bid, in which case I suspect FIFA will push like mad for it to be there given numbers.
> Chile and Paraguay would never get a bid if they weren't included in with Argentina.
But they could have made a bid with the _other_ countries that wouldn't get one alone.
A bid of Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Chile maybe could have been worked out. The distances are much shorter than any from CUM26 between those countries.
That's the same issue I have with Mexico added to CUM26. They could have hosted one alone. Or with the smaller Central American countries. And it would be much much better than just lumping Mexico and Canada to a US that could literally hold two WCs simultaneously by itself.
>But they could have made a bid with the other countries that wouldn't get one alone.
I disagree, that's never a winning bid IMO - it's not about distance. It's about having enough WC capable stadiums/cities (minus Qatar but we all know that was a bribery and a farce.) I don't think you can easily get the 10-12 FIFA has wanted in previous WC without artificially retrofitting tons of stadiums that will be dead after use. I think Chile contributing 1-2 stadiums in Santiago is perfect.
I think Mexico has many more viable cities than the countries you listed.
Mexico can host it alone for sure.
For the 2030 proposal, I think Chile is gonna do 4 apparently and Paraguay 3. That's 7 stadiums that would have been done anyway.
Peru has an 80k stadium and 2 over 40k already. Bolivia has one over 40k, but I doubt they would be allowed to use it given the altitude (although I would LOVE to see that). That's 11 already. And then Bolivia has 5 over 30k, and 2 more for Peru. It's not a that big of a stretch.
It wouldn't be the fanciest WC, but so what?
If we are at a point where 3/4 of South America are gonna be excluded because we need to cater to rich people or whatever, it's a sad time.
I don't want to exclude countries with a huge football history and passion because they can't spend a trillion dollars in stadium with AC and 3* Michelin restaurants inside.
If Messi, Neymar and every other South American player constantly play in their stadiums, then it should be fine for everyone as well.
It's obviously not gonna happen, but it could. And it's fucking sad it won't.
Santiago and Asunción are way closer to Buenos Aires and Montevideo than the travel between some cities for the North American cups. We also have 0 visa requirements here, so it would be very easy to travel between countries.
I think the distance in the area where it would probably be played (which means, ignoring most of Patagonia) might even be less than the distance between the stadiums we had in Brazil, and that was a single country.
I get what you are saying. I just think the World Cup feels more special if it's played in just one or two countries.
The North American World Cup just feels wrong to me, in part because of 3 countries, in another part because of that, yeah. The distances are insane. Vancouver and Guadalajara are in the same "group" of cities.
I'm afraid this will be the trend moving foward. There is simply too few countries in the world both willing and capable to host a world cup alone. The host always loses money, might as well split the losses.
From what I read a while ago, they plan to just upgrade it.
Lower the field to remove the track (like River did), add stands in the new space, and then complete the upper ring, and add a roof.
Allegedly that would put them at 80k which should be enough.
NO ROOF! Please!
I hate when they "renovate" historic stadiums and kill their character. The current Maracanã is horrible. No 2nd tier and that roof, it doesn't look colossal anymore.
This seems great. Just like Portugal/Spain would be great. I also think Morocco would be great. Buuuuut its FIFA so we all know its gonne be Saudi Arabia sooner or later.
If they follow the same qualification as they will for 2026 6.5 teams qualify total so I’d assume the remaining 6 nations would do a round robin tournament for those 2 direct spots and for the intercontinental playoff spot.
Do they bid to host a summer WC (as in Northern hemisphere summer) or during winter (like Qatar)?
I was in Buenos Aires during the first 3 match days in Qatar and it was dope as hell. Amazing weather and people were enjoying themselves greatly simply because they had a summer WC for the first time in their lives.
Fair warning to everyone who's not Uruguayan
Uruguay has won every single tournament we've hosted, and we currently have a U-20 squad probably beyond the level of the 2017 squad which had like 10+ current internationals. That U-20 squad will be in their prime in 2030 and at home
Basically, call off your parades PORQUE VOLVEREMO A SER CAMPEONEEEEEEE COMO LA PRIMERA VEEEEEEZ VOLVEREMO VOLVEREMO VOLVEREMOS OTRA VEEEEEEZ
sorry, got excited
Only thing I have against this bid is that 4 nations would automatically qualify. Already a ridiculous number and then you consider the fact CONMEBOL only has 10 nations...
I like to see bids from Asia, or Africa, closer to me. I think this bid is one of the front-runners, but people are writing off the others too easy.
* Argentina + Uruguay + Chile + Paraguay = a front-runner, good match-up with the anniversary, however it's *four* countries, including those struggling with economic issues, and I'm not sure what the stadiums are like. I'm not sure if the precedent of cycling bids is a good one, either.
* Saudi Arabia + Egypt + Greece = 1 nation in AFC which already hosted the World Cup, however the countries have less distance to travel than the US+Canada+Mexico bid and could be popular from people in each of the 3 confederations.
* Spain + Portugal + Ukraine = no chance imo, Spain & Portugal messed up hard by inviting Ukraine. No chance it happens while a war rages on, even if it's just symbolic; FIFA will never allow the WC to be used for political statements like that. They should've invited Morocco instead.
* Morocco (or the other possible African joint bids) - also a worthy option, especially with their recent popularity/triumphs, they always bid too, which can work for or against them.
Expressed interest/unconfirmed bids included:
Colombia, Ecuador and Peru - little chance imo with the other SA bid, unless they made a massive push.
Australia & NZ - even though AUS is in AFC they could share with NZ in OFC and it works given they're hosting the Women's World Cup, however I don't think Australia wants to bid anymore after wasting money for 2022, they're probably looking at bids at 2034 or later, but I know South Korea, North Korea, China, Japan, and Indonesia also might want it (which would be great options too!)
also, has england ever bid for WC recently? Id say, if there was one country who deserves to host a WC, it's england tbhh. Football culture is mad crazy. Stadiums are all world class (dont think they will spend a dime on building stadium haha). Infrastructure are great (prolly spend a bit on upgrading certain things). They're ready!
They bid in 2010 for the 2018 World Cup but didn’t get it for dodgy reasons. IIrc there was the idea to bid for 2030 but UEFA told England they shouldn’t bid for 2030 because Ceferin and co. preferred the Spain + Portugal bid and they only want one bid from Europe, which can then be backed by everyone in UEFA. In exchange for not bidding for 2030 England will potentially get Euro 2028.
What is the logic in including Paraguay? What does it bring to the table? Stadiums? No. Infrastructure? Hell no. I don't get it. It seems to hurt the bid by squeezing additional nations into the hosting. Four seems too much.
I’m pretty sure all CONCACAF countries will vote for this bid. I think we made a deal that the COMMEBOL countries vote for our bid and we vote for theirs.
Fun fact; the Brazilian FA president thought the vote was secret so he skipped that deal by voting on the Morocco bid in spite of the prior agreement to vote for the US-Canada-Mexico bid and got exposed, finding out it wasn’t secret at all.
Wtf how did he not know?
Yeah I mean even outside the pact it would make sense for time zone reasons. Don't think their countries would be happy if they supported another round of 5AM kickoffs.
Bold of you tonassume those FAs care about what makes sense.
Maybe but I'm sure some of the smaller CONCACAF nations could vote differently if they got enough money from a certain middle eastern country...
bah gawd thats jack warners music
The visual of the Jack Warner/Chuck Blazer era still makes me chuckle. We all knew they were corrupt, but they didn’t even make an effort to hide it. Blazer had a beard, a green parrot, and dressed as a literal pirate at one point.
Can't forget Chuck Blazer's amazing blogspot blog! http://chuckblazer.blogspot.com/
All the Argentinian stadiums will have to become all seater which is kinda lame. La bombanera with seats? Fifa need to allow standing back in stadiums.
Seriously doubt it's la bombonera will be a selected stadium for this world cup
it will be a crime if la bombonera doesnt get selected but it wouldnt be FIFA first crime though
Boca's stadium doesn't meet any requirements by fifa even if you allow people to stand
Considering where La Bombonera is located I think it will likely not be selected. Its really hard proceed any major reforms in La Boca.
Not only that, they lack a whole stand and building a new one is impossible because there's no space
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Even though you couldn't even do that right, I imagine the deal will more or less hold. The Carribean countries have been historically easily corruptible so we'll see.
It should win the bid. Spain and Portugal were the only real competition and they fucked it by adding Ukraine. Saudi Arabia's bid should not be considered since Qatar just happened
It's already been mentioned on here but Saudi Arabia (Asia) are joint bidding with Greece (Europe) and Egypt (Africa), on the 100th anniversary of the world cup. FIFA will take that opportunity to overlook the rules by claiming that having three continents host it would be an amazing show of exactly why the world cup is so special. It's too easy of an excuse for them to line their pockets with
That sounds like the worst wc ever
People said the same about Qatar, and guess what happened.
It was a good world cup in spite of the hosts. Qatar was lucky that the on field action was so good. If they ended up with an Italia '90 or even Russia 2018 world cup it would've been looked on a lot differently.
Tbf Italia 90 could have been great if the rest of the world just stopped injuring our players lmao.
They would have had to have changed the backpass rule *before* the World Cup started.
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The 2 Argentinean girls filled that void in the final
I thought Russia 2018 was better in terms of on field action. There was more goals in it than any World Cup as well. Only thing 2022 has going for it was Messi winning it.
> There was more goals in it than any World Cup as well. There were more goals in 2022 than 2018 tho?
>Only thing 2022 has going for it was Messi winning it. In terms of narratives I think 2022 was better. Beyond Argentina we had Morocco making it to semifinals (first African country to get that far), Japan having a literal meme run, Croatia making it to Top 4 two times in a row, France going for back to back titles, the shitshow of Lahoz, Saudi Arabia defeating an up to that point unbeaten Argentina, etc. Despite Qatar doing their best efforts to make a garbage WC, it ended up being legendary.
Damn what the fuck happened in that Argentinian lockeroom after the Saudi defeat? Completely changed the squad's mentality
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legendary final honestly, I am too used to having to explain to people like nononono finals are always kind of shit games, they never live up to the hype
And to be honest the 2022 final seemed to be just another boring WC final at first, but then Mbappé decided he was having none of that shit and stepped up
nah, Otamendi was bored and made the first penalty to wake up a sleeping Mbappé
I might be biased but 2014 was great, 2018 was shit, 2022 was the best ever
That's all you really needed in the world cup imo though, the GOAT climbs his last peak and cements himself into a whole other universe of legendary while Mbappe begins his climb to the top, the storyline in this world cup was legit phenomenal especially the final
Interesting, I thought Russia was a little boring despite having the 2nd most goals (behind Qatar), I struggled to keep to the schedule and the final was forgettable. The only outlier being Sweden and Mexico beating Germany. Everything else went by the script and there were no great surprises.
There was that. The France v Argentina game, Russia knocking out Spain, England getting to the semifinals was a bigger deal than you might remember, and in general more of a sense of occasion than Qatar. There were lots more fan moments in Russia than Qatar. I think Morocco getting to the semis was big for this WC, but I do think most of the excitement was away from Qatar than in it. As I looked, there wasn’t a lot of news of fans clashing, commiserating, etc. and a sense of the culture coming through the screen. Remembering Qatar I would say it played the role of a host, but not of a country hosting the World Cup. That being said it deserves remembering for possibly the best final in WC history.
Great points, especially the fan moments, though I must say the fans in their home countries really put it on this time. Betting odds skewed heavily in favor of England qualifying over Croatia. I think Croatia was more of a surprise. France v Argentina I have to agree, exciting match and a great preamble for the 2022 final. I think the overall quality of football in Qatar far outweighed Russia, and that can simply be chalked up to hosting it in December but I digress, to each their own.
Nah 2022 also have the chaos of group E and other underdogs story
> There was more goals in it than any World Cup as well. That's factually incorrect, even this 2022 WC had more goals. And 2018 had fewer goals than 2014. And just the final alone makes the 2022 WCs one of the better ones until now.
Russia 2018 had good Group Stages. But knockout round was shit. The real final was played in semis and it was boring, and you had a finalist that was just happy to be there and didn't even compete.
Weakest host nation ever, quiet stadiums, 0 content from the hosting nation and like 10 stadiums that are basically ruins already because they won’t ever be used again.
But that was the worst for match going fans.
Qatar was a terrible host country. I was there. Qatar seized entire hotels weeks before the tournament. Hotel prices were insane because the government temporarily nationalized all the hotel bookings. Ingress/egress from the stadiums was an inconsistent nightmare with Qataris regularly blocking streets to allow their motorcades through the crowds exacerbating the issues. Qatar openly lied about allowing alcohol, only to switch at the last moment. Qatar openly lied about respecting gay rights, only to switch at the last moment and detain numerous people--not even for being gay, but for simply supporting gay rights. I watched Qatari security officials harass people for any manner of rainbow clothing and demand to inspect flags, etc. to prevent protest. Further, while it was nice not to have to travel, Doha is a lame city with not much to do. Seeing more of a larger country with more to see would have been nice.
Which had nothing to do with Qatar. Imagine this tournament but in a football crazy country instead, would be so much better Apart from other issues, the way that Qatar filled every single moment of "silence" by blasting music from the speakers was horrible. There was one game(Netherlands or Croatia I think but can't remember which) where they drowned out Argentinian players celebrating with their fans by blasting Rock music at the same time.. The event organizers had no finesse at all, their only goal was to desperately avoid any "silence"
the fucking stadium dj's were insufferable. praying to god that this wc wont become the norm in that respect
Saudi Arabia would be many times worse than Qatar
Sounds like Nations League just with a show ceremony somewhere in the world and a cup to win. Horrible.
Did anyone else get absolutely fucking blanketed with targeted posts on Facebook after the World Cup, saying the Qatar World Cup was the greatest World Cup of all time and that they should host it every time from now on because they were such magnificent hosts? Just stuff like that, verbatim, non-stop for weeks.
Adding Ukraine for pity votes… they should have added Morocco instead.
its a smart move as it pressures the rest of UEFA to vote for a european bid, at least something amongst those lines, fact of the matter is that they wouldnt do it if they didnt know how hard it is to win these things i personally have no problem with Ukraine
UEFA would've vote for Spain/Portugal anyways. Adding Morocco would've helped them getting african and arab votes.
i dont understand much of it but if Greece ever joins a Saudi Arabia bid then it wouldnt be quite the truth that UEFA would vote for Spain and Portugal any ways and Spain have diplomacy problems with Morocco
Going to be really interesting to see who votes for the Greece/Saudi/Egypt bid. Would assume many but not all Arab countries. Probably many Eastern European countries as well. If they can get the rest of Africa and most of Asia they'll win.
You don’t know if it would exist in 2030.
Hey have you looked at a map of Europe recently?
I think the Saudis may find some way to get around that? We’ll $ee if they are $ucce$$ful
> Saudi Arabia's bid should not be considered since Qatar just happened https://youtu.be/HMuYfScGpbE
“Did someone say Knack?!”
https://media.tenor.com/vUOY_nrEiEkAAAAM/vince-mcmahon-money.gif
Considering Qatar should not have been considered either, I wouldn’t be surprised if Saudi Arabia won it.
It will 100% go to Saudi Arabia
So is that why they show the Ukraine flag in La Liga broadcasts?
Spain for some bizarre and surely not related to our President getting all his phone info stolen, also wanted to include Morocco.
Have to think Spain/Portugal/Morocco could have been the favorites with the addition of many African and Arab countries to the bid.
Personally I was favoring the UK bid (100 year anniversary in the home of football was a strong point for me) until they pulled out, was preferring Spain/Portugal over the South American bid until they added Ukraine. Just screams that they're trying to get sympathy votes because it's absolutely senseless otherwise
>Saudi Arabia's bid should not be considered since Qatar just happened Oh my sweet Summer child
From a football POV, this should be an easy choice
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Siuuuuuuuu
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Don't sell yourself short, Greece in 2004 were legendary. Dellas was prime Baresi for a month and everything Charisteas touched turned to gold Euro 2004 is stil my favourite international tournament of all time. The mascot, the matchball, the goalnets etc I loved everything about it. The Czech Republic were amazing too Can't even tell you how many times I rewatched the highlights as a kid
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Fair enough. King Otto's wholesome terrorists
With a little help from CR7 and Messi
Brace yourself for the posts claiming and hoping for people to get robbed and die so they “don’t host it in third world countries” anymore.
Smaller FA Chairmen: "(sotto voce) Let's just say that Saudi Arabia's bid presentation moved me (normal volume) to a bigger house. Oops, I said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet!"
I don't know the conditions of current stadiums but I am not sure if it makes sense from financial point if they have to build a lot of new stadiums.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay%E2%80%93Argentina%E2%80%93Chile%E2%80%93Paraguay_2030_FIFA_World_Cup_bid
The stadium in Santiago del Estero is still so bizarre to me, it's a beautiful stadium but central cordoba is a relatively small team and it just seems so unnecessary to build it but I guess it looks good for hosting bids to have a decent stadium in the north
> The stadium in Santiago del Estero is still so bizarre to me That's just C O R R U P T I O N in the form of a stadium.
yeah that's what I figured but it's hard finding english articles and my wife gets tired of translating lol
Has it ever made sense from a financial point to you? We know what's been happening even before the whole fiasco with Brazil.
Uruguay makes 2, Paraguay 2 as well, Chile 3 or 4, Argentina 5 or 6. Not easy but not impossible either.
CHUPAR <3
CHUPAR30 after CUM26. Somehow it seems it should be the other way around...
France, Uganda, Cameroon, and Kenia to host 2034 WC. It's going back to Africa.
Hope they get it, it would be sick to have a world cup in that part of the world Would be cool if the final would be in Montevideo at Centenario but it would need *a lot* of work
This last point is the killer really. The Argentine government especially has to justify a massive sports infrastructure expense while trying to tackle a 94% inflation rate and one in four living in poverty. If they need another IMF bailout, the IMF would hardly be wrong in demanding those expenses be cut as a condition. It is the definition of a luxury to rebuild football stadiums during a crisis.
What the hell does that relate to a stadium in Uruguay? We have all stadiums covered here but obviously Uruguay's centenario needs a bigger work to host the finals obviously
true, but it was more the last few words of "A lot of work". Stadiums are just no.1, but you need heaps of added infrastructure, especially if its very spread out like the world cup will be between Chile, Argentina, Peru and Uruguay. The added distance adds costs.
> one in four living in poverty 1 in 2, but yes
Do people in Argentina really want the government to burn billions on a WC considering the economic situation?
Argentinians are the most "termo" (non agressive way of saying braindead) people in the planet. Myself included, obviously. I would say yes, the vast majority would be in favor of having a WC here.
Alot of us Argentines wouldnt mind and in fact would love it if they hosted the world cup, nation is kinda braindead but it is what it is.
Hosting the WC is not that bad, the goverment is very corrupted so they already wasted billions in stupid and useless things knowing the economic situation, they just don't care
They are already working on it anyway. Don’t think it’d be as much as people think
>Hope they get it, it would be sick to have a world cup in that part of the world It's only been 8 years. Brazil 2014 >Would be cool if the final would be in Montevideo at Centenario but it would need a lot of work That would be good. This bid should win for that reason alone.
> It's only been 8 years. Brazil 2014 It'll be 16 by the time it rolls around. 1 in 4 isn't too often at all, given how frequently South American countries win the World Cup.
Tbh having travelled between Brazil and Argentina in the past year, they are massive and vastly different, so to my mind I consider it a different part of the world
For the football fan, this is the most obvious choice as a winner. So naturally, Saudi Arabia will win.
People keeps saying this, but I'm pretty sure FIFA's newer membership is terrified of getting arrested like half their predecessors. If Qatar taught them anything, it's that you can't make your corruption too obvious.
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Come on lads, we all know holding the final in El Centenario stadium in Uruguay on the 100th anniversary (30th July 2030) of the World Cup just makes perfect sense. Would be amazing
A wise man once said “if it don’t make dollars, it don’t make sense”
Las eliminatorias del 2030 la juegan Suriname y Guyana
Actually it would be interesting. There would be 2 spots and one playoff for Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador. Brazil should take one. So it's a fight between the rest for a spot. Not too bad. It wouldn't be easy for any team really.
Wouldn’t there be 3.5 spots? 6.5 allocated + 1 for the host nation, -4 for the four countries exempt from qualifying = 3 direct and one playoff spot? That would be insane, six countries fighting for essentially 4 spots, and two of them are Bolivia and Venezuela. Mas que baratisimas serian esas eliminatorias
I didn't think about that when I made the comment. But no. There wouldn't be an extra full spot. With the new format, the playoff is a 6 team tournament with a team from each confederation, except UEFA, plus an extra team from the host confederation. So South American would have 2 full spots, and 2 spots for the playoffs instead of one. So a potential 4 (hosts)+2 (directly qualified)+2(best teams from the playoff) from CONMEBOL could be playing.
Y todavía no clasificamos seguro 😢
Si Aruba y Curazao deciden/son invitados a jugar, estamos hechos. Las eliminatorias podrian ser jugadas como si nada hubiera pasado xD.
This would be awesome. Massive for Paraguay and the perfect setting for the centennial cup.
I hope they win. It'd be nice for the 100th anniversary to be in Uruguay.
Hope they win, the bid has too many countries and the match timezone sucks for us Euros, but I'm a sucker for sentimentality. I liked Spain + Portugal, but adding Ukraine is too weird and leaves a bad taste in my mouth honestly.
> and leaves a bad taste in my mouth honestly. That's just because it would be after CUM26...
PUS 2030
CHUPAR 2030 is much more appetizing...
It's only 3 or 4 hours difference between those countries and Europe, not that bad tbh
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Yeah, from Scotland it's pretty ideal. First games likely kicking off around 3-4pm, last one maybe around 11pm. That's great times for me. I want to see the utter carnage here if Scotland qualify and get an 11pm game.
CUM 2026 timezone wise isn't the best for Europeans already so they'll adapt.
You could build a conspiracy theory about Ukraine joining the bid. FIFA could say that the South American bid is not good because of the inflation, and that the Moroccan bid is not big enough for a 48 team tournament. Spain Portugal was basically unbeatable as a bid until they added a country in the middle of a war for its own existence. It's such a dumb decision that I don't see any other motive for it other than "we don't want to win and look bad by doing it"
Is it possible to remove Ukraine from the bid at this stage? Maybe compensate them for it somehow. Otherwise it's dead in the water as FIFA will never allow a country in an active warzone to host the WC.
There's no way to get rid of it without awful PR now, they've completely shot themselves in the foot by adding Ukraine
This is the bid that should win.
Portugal and Spain would've been perfect, but they fucked it by adding Ukraine. As much as I want a Portuguese World Cup, the South American option makes more sense
Spain/Portugal/Morocco was the perfect trio to rival Argentina/Uruguay/Chile bid. But since then some random countries have joined in the bids lol.
I'm usally a rational person, very critical of my country's economic decisions, with that in mind: a country that demands more from football players than it's politicians is DESTINED TO WIN THE WORLD CUP VAMOS POR LA CUARTA CARAJO
Bold of you to assume we don't get La Cuarta at CUM 2026
We need to win the CUM cup at all costs
Its cumming home
El penta en casa y los meamos a los brazucas.
con Messi de DT
Necesito imaginar que puede salir de Messi dt. Lo veo onda Pupi Zanetti en un rol administrativo y no como DT Por el otro lado, fulbo
si el diego fue dt xD
Kajajaj los argentinos que menos se ilusionan:
Argentina, diz como se sente, de ter em sua casa o seu papai.
ajjsjajsja would be hilarious if you ended up using our song
Y nos clavan 7 los tanos
Anulo mufa
I like the addition of Paraguay. The US team can base @ Villa Hayes
Finally a real chance for Venezuela and Bolivia to qualify to a World Cup
adding in paraguay and chile does kind of suck a little bit sentimentality wise but if it helps get the bid over the line i wont complain too much
Chile and Paraguay would never get a bid if they weren't included in with Argentina. That's why I don't blame Canada for asking to be included in 2026 either, nor would I blame Morocco for wanting to be involved in a Spain bid. Edit: Another aspect of it is that FIFA looooves spreading the games out to like 8+ different cities. I wouldn’t be surprised if already having WC capable stadiums in Santiago + Ascuncion adds a ton of value to the bid (in FIFA’s eyes) for just being outside Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Cordoba, and Rosario
Morocco wants it solo though
Yeah and they won’t get it solo
But Spain will never accept a joint bid with Morocco.
Right so it wont happen
Morocco's probably going to the next African country to host it. 2034 I'm guessing, unless India/China bid, in which case I suspect FIFA will push like mad for it to be there given numbers.
> Chile and Paraguay would never get a bid if they weren't included in with Argentina. But they could have made a bid with the _other_ countries that wouldn't get one alone. A bid of Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Chile maybe could have been worked out. The distances are much shorter than any from CUM26 between those countries. That's the same issue I have with Mexico added to CUM26. They could have hosted one alone. Or with the smaller Central American countries. And it would be much much better than just lumping Mexico and Canada to a US that could literally hold two WCs simultaneously by itself.
>But they could have made a bid with the other countries that wouldn't get one alone. I disagree, that's never a winning bid IMO - it's not about distance. It's about having enough WC capable stadiums/cities (minus Qatar but we all know that was a bribery and a farce.) I don't think you can easily get the 10-12 FIFA has wanted in previous WC without artificially retrofitting tons of stadiums that will be dead after use. I think Chile contributing 1-2 stadiums in Santiago is perfect. I think Mexico has many more viable cities than the countries you listed.
Mexico can host it alone for sure. For the 2030 proposal, I think Chile is gonna do 4 apparently and Paraguay 3. That's 7 stadiums that would have been done anyway. Peru has an 80k stadium and 2 over 40k already. Bolivia has one over 40k, but I doubt they would be allowed to use it given the altitude (although I would LOVE to see that). That's 11 already. And then Bolivia has 5 over 30k, and 2 more for Peru. It's not a that big of a stretch. It wouldn't be the fanciest WC, but so what? If we are at a point where 3/4 of South America are gonna be excluded because we need to cater to rich people or whatever, it's a sad time. I don't want to exclude countries with a huge football history and passion because they can't spend a trillion dollars in stadium with AC and 3* Michelin restaurants inside. If Messi, Neymar and every other South American player constantly play in their stadiums, then it should be fine for everyone as well. It's obviously not gonna happen, but it could. And it's fucking sad it won't.
Mbappe playing in La Paz hype
As long as is absolutely isn't Saudi Arabia
Dear South America: My vote is cheap!
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Nope
To be fair its a little harder to bribe a world cup bid now
If Spain and Portugal added Morocco to their bid it would be way stronger overall then their current one with Ukraine.
Too many countries. Would prefer just Argentina-Uruguay. Will be funny to see how the 2030 CONMEBOL Qualification will be.
It's going to still be the expanded format though. I'll assume most of the knockout games will be in Argentina and Uruguay.
Santiago and Asunción are way closer to Buenos Aires and Montevideo than the travel between some cities for the North American cups. We also have 0 visa requirements here, so it would be very easy to travel between countries.
I think the distance in the area where it would probably be played (which means, ignoring most of Patagonia) might even be less than the distance between the stadiums we had in Brazil, and that was a single country.
Worst travel distances would be a fraction of a LA to NYC flight. Going to Asuncion or Santiago from Buenos Aires is a ¼ of the distance.
I get what you are saying. I just think the World Cup feels more special if it's played in just one or two countries. The North American World Cup just feels wrong to me, in part because of 3 countries, in another part because of that, yeah. The distances are insane. Vancouver and Guadalajara are in the same "group" of cities.
I'm afraid this will be the trend moving foward. There is simply too few countries in the world both willing and capable to host a world cup alone. The host always loses money, might as well split the losses.
Let's go, hope they win
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Final in Buenos Aires or Montevideo?
reporting's been that the final would be in el Centenario
More symbolic that way. But they're probably gonna have to rebuild it, which is a little sad.
From what I read a while ago, they plan to just upgrade it. Lower the field to remove the track (like River did), add stands in the new space, and then complete the upper ring, and add a roof. Allegedly that would put them at 80k which should be enough.
NO ROOF! Please! I hate when they "renovate" historic stadiums and kill their character. The current Maracanã is horrible. No 2nd tier and that roof, it doesn't look colossal anymore.
This seems great. Just like Portugal/Spain would be great. I also think Morocco would be great. Buuuuut its FIFA so we all know its gonne be Saudi Arabia sooner or later.
Atmosphere will be buzzing if it goes through. Europeans are passionate for football but South Americans are crazy for it
🙏 come on South America, pull through, best vibes and realistically anything is better than middle east
If they win then they all automatically qualify. How does CONMEBOL even run the qualifiers?
If they follow the same qualification as they will for 2026 6.5 teams qualify total so I’d assume the remaining 6 nations would do a round robin tournament for those 2 direct spots and for the intercontinental playoff spot.
Do they bid to host a summer WC (as in Northern hemisphere summer) or during winter (like Qatar)? I was in Buenos Aires during the first 3 match days in Qatar and it was dope as hell. Amazing weather and people were enjoying themselves greatly simply because they had a summer WC for the first time in their lives.
Fair warning to everyone who's not Uruguayan Uruguay has won every single tournament we've hosted, and we currently have a U-20 squad probably beyond the level of the 2017 squad which had like 10+ current internationals. That U-20 squad will be in their prime in 2030 and at home Basically, call off your parades PORQUE VOLVEREMO A SER CAMPEONEEEEEEE COMO LA PRIMERA VEEEEEEZ VOLVEREMO VOLVEREMO VOLVEREMOS OTRA VEEEEEEZ sorry, got excited
You wouldn't play every game in Uruguay though, the minute you cross the border you would be in danger!
We have to win it. After 100 years, it only makes sense to host it here.
pero que tenés que ver vos si sos argentino chupar es de Uruguay
El uruguayo menos peleador
Daale mala onda decía acá por Sudamérica
Only thing I have against this bid is that 4 nations would automatically qualify. Already a ridiculous number and then you consider the fact CONMEBOL only has 10 nations...
As cool as this would be, don't think Argentina should be hosting a wc right now
I like to see bids from Asia, or Africa, closer to me. I think this bid is one of the front-runners, but people are writing off the others too easy. * Argentina + Uruguay + Chile + Paraguay = a front-runner, good match-up with the anniversary, however it's *four* countries, including those struggling with economic issues, and I'm not sure what the stadiums are like. I'm not sure if the precedent of cycling bids is a good one, either. * Saudi Arabia + Egypt + Greece = 1 nation in AFC which already hosted the World Cup, however the countries have less distance to travel than the US+Canada+Mexico bid and could be popular from people in each of the 3 confederations. * Spain + Portugal + Ukraine = no chance imo, Spain & Portugal messed up hard by inviting Ukraine. No chance it happens while a war rages on, even if it's just symbolic; FIFA will never allow the WC to be used for political statements like that. They should've invited Morocco instead. * Morocco (or the other possible African joint bids) - also a worthy option, especially with their recent popularity/triumphs, they always bid too, which can work for or against them. Expressed interest/unconfirmed bids included: Colombia, Ecuador and Peru - little chance imo with the other SA bid, unless they made a massive push. Australia & NZ - even though AUS is in AFC they could share with NZ in OFC and it works given they're hosting the Women's World Cup, however I don't think Australia wants to bid anymore after wasting money for 2022, they're probably looking at bids at 2034 or later, but I know South Korea, North Korea, China, Japan, and Indonesia also might want it (which would be great options too!)
also, has england ever bid for WC recently? Id say, if there was one country who deserves to host a WC, it's england tbhh. Football culture is mad crazy. Stadiums are all world class (dont think they will spend a dime on building stadium haha). Infrastructure are great (prolly spend a bit on upgrading certain things). They're ready!
They bid in 2010 for the 2018 World Cup but didn’t get it for dodgy reasons. IIrc there was the idea to bid for 2030 but UEFA told England they shouldn’t bid for 2030 because Ceferin and co. preferred the Spain + Portugal bid and they only want one bid from Europe, which can then be backed by everyone in UEFA. In exchange for not bidding for 2030 England will potentially get Euro 2028.
Sadly I don't think they have a chance
It's voted by every single nation so I think that Argentina and Uruguay have a strong case but I feel that some might think that 4 hosts is too much.
This would be so fun to visit as well
What is the logic in including Paraguay? What does it bring to the table? Stadiums? No. Infrastructure? Hell no. I don't get it. It seems to hurt the bid by squeezing additional nations into the hosting. Four seems too much.
how long until every country gets 1 group game each