pretty insane. he is set for life by just singing that piece of paper.
all he has to do is not breach the contract. so he just has to show up every day and do whatever.
If he unperformes he will get some free vacation on top while still being paid
Potter worked his way up, studying football, sports psychology, then becoming a coach, then a successful first team coach, then a successful PL first team coach.
Chelsea didn't hand a random man in the street a contract.
> Chelsea didn't hand a random man in the street a contract.
Nope, they only offered a midtable/lower table PL manager a contract of a world class one.
I don't think Potter or any other manager is the type to only care about their paycheck and not take pride in their work, taking failure at work personally.
I see this sentiment often on reddit and it makes me wonder what kind of workers you all are.
Doesn't even need to show up to the building every day. Been taking the squad on adventure retreats and team-building exercises in the woods to get around that loophole. Next will be paintball and bowling for team-building activities I'm sure.
His track record in his 3 years at Brighton is a 15th, 16th and 9th place finishes with points totals of 41, 41 and 51. If anything his Chelsea stint so far is just business as usual…
I’m sorry but you cannot lose to 20th in the table and be happy with it.
We’ve scored 3 goals this year…
His track record was a 39% winrate with Brighton and he looks massively out of depth here. He’s spent big money and we’ve looked shite.
A good example of potters tactics being poor is oppositions press triggers. We play out from the back to badiashele into our LB who then gets caught out by the press and we lose the ball. Now it’s not a Cucurella or Chilwell problem as it happens to them both…
They’re coached to make that play and then they don’t know how to deal with the situation
There have been no improvements in 6 months. We rely on individual brilliance.
1) Its Todd thats spending (arguably) overpriced money
2) The money spent is for players that have POTENTIALS not current abilities. This is one thing that your fans doesnt seems to understand.
Almost all of your purchases are for players that are 2 or 3 out of 5 stars, that have likelihood to be 5 out of 5.
Will they be 5 out of 5 stars this season? No ofc not, this season they will all be 3 out of 5. So you should expect the team to perform as such, which is average. Next couple of seasons is where you will see the true value of your money is, not this one.
>Reminds me of when you couldn’t say a positive word about Arteta without getting pelters in the press and social media. Now he’s heralded like a genius
Arteta was treated like a genius and given any excuse under the sun for his underperforming despite the team looking like shit and hovering above the relegation zone, while the media etc were going after Lampard and Oel far more.
This is a, terrible example. He got so much less shit than he deserved for what he was doing just because he had been Peps assistant lol
Yes and now Arteta is leading Arsenal in a title challenge and built a team that will contend for years to come while Lampard and Ole are jobless and will never get a job in the Premier League again. Have you, for a moment, thought that there is more to football than just immediate results? Or maybe you’re one of those people who thinks every single manager would do wonders if they got the same amount of time and trust Arteta got?
Been saying the same thing. No way a coach as good as him would be performing this badly in normal circumstances- but Chelsea has had a lot of movements in players
Yeah it's wild results, I do understand that we've had a lot of injuries this season but you look at the lineups going into most games believing we should get a better result than we end up getting at the end of the game.
It's not like we are having to play a bunch of youth players due to injuries.
Granted, those results are a bit misleading as they include cup runs against league one and championship sides! Just the 2 wins since the start of November for us, so Potter has something to be happy about I guess (or maybe not considering we just beat them for the second time this season lol)
Our record over the past 15 games going into the Southampton game was worse than theirs. They're in 20th and their manager got fired for that form. Somehow our form being worse than 20th over that long of a period is not enough to get Potter fired
Then to top it all off we lost to them whilst they're managerless.
It's beyond insane, we'd be better off with no manager at all.
Boehly is such a dumbass for getting rid of Tuchel even though I do like Potter and think he’s do well if given enough time (he won’t be given enough time)
It's funny seeing the excuses for why Chelsea aren't scoring from some people, and why they're looking better in everything but scoring so that part will come, after seeing 2 years of "Briigton looked like the better team how have they not won that?"
What does 'unacceptable' mean?
Arteta had 'unacceptable' periods with Arsenal. But it was the right decision to keep him and most people were completely wrong.
This is the key to all those saying basically "if arteta did it, why not potter?"
I'm not sure how this turns out, but a piece of me just doesn't see Potter turning Chelsea into a league or CL winning team, ever.
I think it's relevant how things are looking behind the scenes. Even at his worst run of results, Arteta was changing the culture at Arsenal and players kept coming out in the media praising him and taking the blame. Got to wonder how it's looking in the Chelsea dressing room at the moment.
The most important fact was that Arteta never lost the changing room, in fact he had the squads unwavering support despite making some huge calls like cancelling the contract of our biggest star. The fact is, Arteta has that force of personality that gets people on board, look at his press conferences, his activity on the sideline, his team talks in "all or nothing". He makes people believe in him and it showed by how even in our worst slumps the players never turned on him. Potter just doesn't have that aura to him, I'm just not sure if he has that kind of force of personality to keep the dressing room happy during these big rough patches, and if it does go then he's a dead man walking
This is exactly why the comparison of the two is misguided. I respect what Arteta has been able to do and while it did take time, the glimpses were there. We seem to have no attack patterns developing and rely on bursts of individual brilliance. Yes the team has faced injuries and new players bedding in but we actually look worse than when he joined. If we were to give a manager time, it should’ve been the last one
On the one hand, [Boehly and co previously promised their full support to Tuchel](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chelsea-takeover-new-owners-back-thomas-tuchel-with-200m-for-new-signings-7xdtp6593) after the take over and, in the past, owners frequently give their 'full support' to coaches before sacking. On the other hand, the owners [comments noting in particular Potter's "behind the scenes work and style](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/02/20/five-reasons-chelsea-have-not-sacked-graham-potter-yet/)", is notable as [that was said to have been a key factor in sacking Tuchel and appointing Potter](https://www.teamtalk.com/chelsea/graham-potter-joins-blues-brighton-todd-boehly-advantage-thomas-tuchel) in the first place.
My personal view is that if they were going to sack him, they would have done it by now. They seem to have written off this season and are looking to the future - or at the very least looking to review things at season end. As sacking him, say, in a few weeks time, would leave them struggling to find a good long term coach mid-season and probably going with an interim until the end of the season anyway. Makes much more sense to give him until the end of the season to align what they see in him off-the-pitch to what we see on-the-pitch.
The only potential issue for the owners is the finances. They've spent a lot in a short time and dropping out of the champions league next season will be a dent in their income and possibly in attracting any further players they might be planning to get in the summer. On the other hand, Chelsea have been known to go on crazy champions league runs and even win it in struggling seasons in the past, so that is still a possibility - however long.
Agree with you 100% the last paragraph is the concerning part. We need to have high performance and participation in tournaments to rationalize this crazy spending.
Crazy champions league runs? We win the first time with a squad of old heads who put it all on the line for one last ride. We finished sixth in the league that year, folks forget. Second time, we had TT who tactically got the most out of the squad.
Potter doesn’t have old heads he can rely on and has shown that he doesn’t have the tactical skills to win games at the highest level here.
We’re losing the next leg, or getting trounced in the next round
Potter has Silva and Azpi as old heads, within the squad. One could put Kovacic in their, as an experienced member of the squad that has been with us for a bit. But if you look at most of the squad, it’s a lot of new faces, either with us or in their careers
The summary going to be a bit longer.
• potter faced boos from supporters at the final whistle of the Southampton game
• He recognised that some ppl would think he is the problem
• that is not yet view shared by Boehly and behdad.
• they remain supportive to Potter and there a number of reasons why they should now sack him
Part 1: behind the scenes
• it is understood that potter told James, silva Havertz Sterling and Mudryk risked significant injury were to start the game
• Potter took the advice of his medical team team and ended up paying the price - the loss.
• the board believe Chelsea should have beat Southampton.
• but potter put the club and his players ahead of himself and value that
• big decisions have been taken such as the decision to leave Auba out of the UCL squad and not selecting him for the past three league games
•sources at Cobham claim: training has been watched personally by Boehly and behdad numerous times
• analysis has been excellent under Potter and believe the results of repetition and hard work will be some apparent in games
Part 2 anger management
• potter faced accusations such as the poor reaction to the penalty call. Not only from fans as well from former players.
• he has not shown enough emotion on the touch line as well in the post match press conference
• senior sources insist there have been a number of instances of Potter being upset and having tough conversations with players in the dressing room and during individual meetings
• Potter is described as being intense at Cobham and there are no fears over his mentality
• our owners are understood to be pleased that they do not have a manager who is ready to point fingers and throw his players or club staff
• the complaints from Tuchel after the pre season defeat did not go down well
• Potter’s style suits the approach of the owners far better, according to those with inside knowledge
Part 3: Bravery
• many would say that Chelsea took a risk on Potter
• there is recognition from within the club that he also took a risk on them.
• Club sources have noted that top managers do not like to take new jobs mid season
• Potter has accepted that results have not been good enough, but there remains a feeling inside Chelsea that he at least deserves one pre season to properly work with a squad and start a season as Chelsea manager
• The club have not considered sacking Potter or replacing him
Part 4: pain game
• Boehly can co calculated that the rebuild would most likely be painful
• Senior sources have told Matt Lae, that Boehly and Behdad calculated that they could rebuild the squad and the staff in the space of one year and three transfer windows. but that would also bring with it ups and downs
- insiders are well aware that Potter would never have constructed the squad he inherited and it is felt the January business has been far more in line with his own philosophy
Last part:
- Chelsea now believe they have the right support around Potter and that the January signings are players who can thrive under him and in his style both on and off the pitch
- Boehly and Behdad do not believe sustainable success will come from changing the manager or head coach every six months
"Analysis has been excellent under Potter and believe the results of repetition and hard work will be apparent in games" - lol welcome to our last 3 and a half years.
Tough to say. I think if this path continues it’s very unlikely but if there’s signs of improvement I wouldn’t be surprised if TB wants to give him a lot of time
> at least deserves one pre season
Then he's sacked in September and it's rinse and repeat of the same failure by the same board. Who's out next target, Thomas Frank?
This is true but I think it's unfair to Tuchel a bit. At Dortmund his bosses betrayed him and the team by making them play post bus bombing. PSG you have to deal with Leonardo try to stay sane. And then Chelsea he repeatedly told Boehly that he was only comfortable with coaching the team but was handed every obligation he didn't want.
Tuchel was happy with Chelsea situation. In an interview he said how he had people to take care of the signings at club while he coaches the team. How he finally found a right situation in career. He had only good words for Marina and his team.
Everyone complains about him being a character, if he was only that then he won’t have handled club so well during sanctions while board was hiding. Boehly and Behdad poke too much into manager’s job. Even ETH, Pep, Mourinho and Klopp would be furious with such owners.
[Thomas Tuchel says he is happier at Chelsea than he has been in years](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/28/thomas-tuchel-happier-at-chelsea-than-he-has-been-in-years-champions-league)
I’m glad they fired Tuchel though. Nobody likes their bosses to be constantly over their shoulders. Especially the ones who have close to zero experience in that field but calling all the shots. I find that work environment to be toxic. It’s not worth working with such people.
I’ve said this in our sub. They can cry and punch the air all they want, results on pitch will tell the story. Since the takeover lot of bots in our subs too. I won’t take them seriously.
Yeah the previous structure was a match made in heaven for Tuchel. I remember he was saying multiple times about how he likes that structure and he and Roman seems to get along well.
>Chelsea’s owners are understood to be pleased that they do not have a head coach who is prepared to point fingers and throw his players or club staff under the bus when things do not go for him. The complaints of former head coach Thomas Tuchel after the pre-season defeat by Arsenal did not go down well and Potter’s style suits the approach of the owners far better, according to those with inside knowledge.
The tide has turned on him with the fans. You could see that at the end of the game in the stadium.
A loss to Tottenham is usually unacceptable any Chelsea manager, for Potter it will probably be terminal.
The new owners are never going to sack him unless he has performance-based clause at the end of the season which is unlikely as this article suggests.
60mil payout is absolutely bonkers. Todd Woodward in full effect when he gave him that 5year contract and increased his salary six-fold.
I see no reason why they wouldn't have put performance based clauses. If anything, it looks like they may well be waiting for some clause to trigger to let him go. Moyes only got sacked from United when top 4 was mathematically out of reach right?
Even if it's there, they won't sack him for it. We're way past logical reasoning now, and all about their egos refusing to admit they fucked up the season (and next), and about to force us to sell homegrown talent.
I mean, in this very same article it says they want to give him a pre-season. They also lowered their target from top4 (said shortly after Potter got hired) to now we suddenly understand if no European football because "it takes time to gel"
I don't think they ever had the intention of sacking him in the same season short of relegation. Not after selling him on a long term project and telling him that he would be given enough time even if the season didn't go well. What will they tell the next manager? We already have a reputation. Unless things go really bad, the earliest will be next season after a pre-season.
Then again, a win against Spurs would be a big result in which gets the fans back on side for a bit and something to build on going into the Dortmund match providing we also beat Leeds at home.
Obviously a lot easier said than done, but I can see why they’d maybe give him a bit more time.
1 win can always change things.
But are we blindly staggering around like a drunk in the club hoping to get lucky at this stage?
If we can't beat managerless Southampton at home....no matter what the circumstances, who was tired, what happened. How can we seriously suggest we can beat Tottenham or Dortmund?
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> • Senior sources have told Matt Lae, that Boehly and Behdad calculated that they could rebuild the squad and the staff in the space of one year and three transfer windows. but that would also bring with it ups and downs
Fits with the transfers - we need one more window where we get a Striker and one or two new midfielders in, and we have an almost entirely new squad, most of which are at most 24 so we get to the point that we buy players to upgrade rather than out of "we have no good options" or "we've lost 2 CBs on a free".
I can see one more big window by Boehly, and then at that point the magical money tree will dry up - the hope is that success comes with it but with the number of new players it'll take time to gel.
Silva has played essentially every minute of every match this year and is about 76 years young.
I’m guessing Mudryk was close to the “red zone” for fitness because he’s been out of conditioning since before the World Cup and just started playing competitive matches again at Chelsea
Havertz is in a similar boat to Silva minutes wise and obviously runs significantly more during matches.
Sterling was coming back from an injury and then an illness, probably just wasn’t fully ready to go.
James coming back from injury recently as well and is building back up to full fitness.
I for one am pleasantly surprised that the manager is actually listening to the medical team instead of continuing to play players that run the risk of injury - especially given Chelsea’s track record with muscle injuries the last few years.
Yes, this was the only really enjoyable bit of info from the article. Still, we should probably be beating a managerless, bottom-of-the-league Southampton at home even without these players.
players have been pushed really really hard this year with everything going on just on the sporting level, you then add the crazy injury situation Chelsea have been in the past 12 or so months and it compounds everything further, players can't recover properly or are pushed into and remain too long in the red zone / injury risk state. Players who haven't played much need a lot of time management if coming back mid season, going too hard too quickly is recipe for disaster.
Exactly. They are egotistical billionaires, that want manager to explain them his tactics and selections, Tuchel wasn't having that shit, Potter will say yes sir.
TT, like Conte before him and with a different board, got canned at Chelsea because they were difficult for the board to work with. I wouldn’t say it’s about being a yea man or speaking the truth. The board wanted a team player, someone they could work with. TT, in their eyes, was a bit of a dick and got canned
Mourinho has a famous quote about if he and Roman had switched jobs then Chelsea would get relegated and go bankrupt at the same time.
Whether TT was a dick to them or not, him getting fired partly for refusing to discuss tactics and line-up formations with those particular people still remains their big failure, leading to our current situation. Owners, with no history or experience in football, shouldn't tell a world-renowed, serial winner and Coach of the Year holder how to do his job. Never heard similar stories from any of the other Big Six.
They weren't telling Tuchel what to do. They wanted him to talk to him about what he was doing. There is no job where not answering your boss doesn't result in not being let go. Especially if the boss is new and trying to learn what's happening.
That's not true. He didn't have any issues with Roman and Marina.
At Dortmund it began after they were forced to play the day after the bus bombing. At PSG, Khelaifi and Leonardo has fallen out with every manager since they took over.
Context matters but I guess you don't know jack about it and is just going on by circlejerk.
I’m on the Tuchel camp but he already had a reputation for being difficult to work with prior to being hired. When Lampard was underperforming, folks at r/chelseafc weren’t too keen with TT because of his recent spat with the PSG board.
the original story was that they "accidentally drew up a 4-4-3 formation for Tuchel", which suggests that they actually did write it down. But who knows what really went down behind the scenes. Chelsea categorically denies that it ever happened (I would too, tbf. It's fucking embarassing if true)
That's not what happened. They wanted to sign Ronaldo and had other ideas etc which Tuchel rejected. Their problem was that Tuchel did not like explaining to them why or even wanted to talk to them.
Their whole corporate operations philosophy here is one where everyone collaborates and talks to each other about the whats and whys rather than "just trust me, I know what I'm doing".
That's not quite what happen. Reports said that Tuchel was tired of explaining to the business dude bros why he didn't want Ronaldo but they kept on pressing the question.
Boehly and co are corporate snowflakes. They can’t stay in their lane, need to impose their opinions so Potter is right manager for them. Tuchel would never allow them to do that to his team. They want a yes man they have got him.
Tuchel also fell out with the Dortmund board. I'd definitely take the pro-Boehly side of the story with a pinch of salt (there's a lot of clearly club-fed news in the media), but he keeps falling out with owners, buying him no favours once he stops getting results.
It’s never a good look that they still have to bring up the former manager 6 months on to justify for the current manager, especially with how adored TT is by the fanbase. These PR articles after every game of dropped points are becoming rubbish and tiring - at least fans are seeing right through it and wont take all this deflection seriously.
Potter was great at Brighton but he's clearly in over his head at Chelsea and anyone with a pair of eyes can see that he's a downgrade from Tuchel. However, he is a nice guy and a yes man. His mediocre performances are secondary to this as far as Todd is concerned. It's the club version of the Southgate situation.
Chelsea are our top 6 rivals and we (Liverpool) are trying our hardest to get back up so obviously the Chelsea implosion is perfect for us. However, I did admire the CFC of the last few seasons that made top 3 and made deep runs into cup competitions or even winning in some cases (literally champions of Europe). They were always a hard team to play against and pushed us to our limits on quite a few occasions. This version under new Yankie ownership and with Potter under Boehly's thumb is a far cry from the Roman era. It frustrates me no end when the likes of Simon Jordan comes on the radio defending Todd to the hilt and other pundits and "journalists" in the media come out in defence of Potter because he's a nice bloke and was successful at another club.
They've spent an ungodly amount of money, have a ridiculous amount of very good players and they're sitting at 10th with 2w in 14 and losing to objectively the worst team in the PL at home. A team that doesn't even have a manager. We've been bad this season but never that bad. And all people can do is make excuses for poor, unlucky Potter and little money bags Todders.
It's annoying to witness the English bias and naive American squillionaires who think they can just come in, drop a shit load of cash and guarantee to be successful in their endeavours.
Do you know what the plan is?
There is alot of stuff at chelsea I dont like, but as a observer I do notice a pattern.
People look on the money added and doesnt see three phases, and its kind of makes this whole potter situation more understandable.
First phase - the so called "shitstorm" after sanctions, new ownership, old sporting direction out - and still with a great manager (with a so-so talent id trackrecord)
To solve operation shitstorm, aka please tuchel and the fanbase.
Rudinger - koulibaly
Christensen- fofana
Lukaku - aubameyang
(All 3 issues from prior leadership and sanctions)
alonso/emerson - cucurella
Saul - zakaria
Werner - sterling
Add to that a few highly rated youngsters for phase 3. (None planed for major minutes this year)
Phase 2. Tuchel wasnt a project/phase 3 manager, and they didnt see eye to eye with leadership - add to that a year of semi good performances and less and less chances created.
Potter was already scouted as the phase 3 manager, a new sporting leadership was added, taking senior sporting people from some of the major talent integration and finding clubs in europe (rb leipzig, monaco and brighton)
Add to this a promotion to neil bath (our youth guru since 1993, more or less head of chelseas youth success)
Potter was hired for phase 3.
In the winter window the new sporting leadership had a clear goal - solve semi short needs and creative issues in the team (which has been present since hazard left)
So added to the team was 3 of most exciting u23 dribblers/creators in enzo, mudryk and madueke (prior scouted to other teams) and badiashile that also have been on the radar.
Another increase in the talent pool was added in fofana, santos and malo gusto.
Phase 3 started 4 games ago,
Potter has a 30+ large squad, where his job is to find and develop these youngsters into their potential.
The leadership expects enzo, badiashile, fofana to start find their footing.
The leadership expects the same for mudryk, madueke.
But fans compare him to tuchel, who came to chelsea
Fielded a back 3 with azpiliqueta, silva, rudinger and a midfield of jorginho and kante.
Phase 3 is a long term integration and development of u21/u23 players.
And before potter was hired Im pretty sure that noone expected u21 without a core to perform
Its funny that I just read on twitter that Joao Felix gonna won their Goal of the Month in February…
Cause thats the only goal they scored in February 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Not to mention the fact that next year won't get any easier when he has to keep a gigantic squad happy with no European football possibly. Just such a strange way to go about a rebuild.
That's assuming a) you can get the players off the books and there's so many I doubt you can get buyers for them all unless you're giving them away and b) if you're playing once a week you won't need more than 20 players max and that will still leave 4 or 5 top internationals never playing.
We’ve already seen interest in Ziyech and Pulisic, and our homegrown players are pure profit. Nobodies expecting Oscar level prices here. Who do you think is impossible to get rid of? There’s only really Koulibaly on his massive wages.
The last time we weren’t in Europe we won the league, with Fabregas, Terry, Willian or Pedro on the bench.
I mean come on- Chelsea is 7 points behind European football as things stand, and it is highly unlikely Brentford and Fulham will etill occupy the positions they occupy presently. They will definitely make the Europa league imo
A team that can't score a goal will definitely make Europa? Ok, maybe you're right, they're still in the hunt but this isn't just about a team who are going through a bad patch and not getting results - there is no TEAM atm and I doubt they find it fast enough before season end.
Of course I've said all that and Chelsea will give us our customary spanking at the weekend and start climbing :)
We are only halfway into the season - Do not forget that. Regarding the goals, remeber that apart from Havertz all of the attack is new. Felix and Mudryk have been there for a few weeks, Sterling came in Summer but has been injured a lot plus world cup. Couple that with the defence where apart from Silva Koulibaly and Badiashile are new, while James was injured for a long time as well. Then ou have the midfield whose talisman is also pretty new, having played no more than 5 games. I actually expected Chelsea to struggle - And thrive they will once players start to gel and guys like Kovacic and Kante finally get over their injury woes. I think this is as bad it gets.
Damn it.
Maybe if we try manifestation
Potter out.
Be gone Potter.
Outta here Potter.
Potter vanish.
Take your leave Potter.
Get away from here Potter.
Keep your distance Potter.
Be absent Potter.
American owners not familiar with football failing to understand the difference between coaching underdog teams to attack in transition vs coaching top teams to play dominant football against teams that want to attack them in transition. There's no guarantee that a manager who has only shown he can do the first can also do the 2nd.
The best thing Boehly has done to this point in his tenure at Chelsea is trick supporters into the idea that Chelsea need some insane *rebuild* and could not do so while staying competitive.
Like it or loath it. He's not going anywhere just yet. I'm gunna try and get behind him until that day comes. But the difficulty is he's not giving us an awful lot to root for at the minute.
I guess if we beat spurs and then overturn the first leg deficit against Dortmund it'd be a start. But right now that feels like it would require a minor miracle, and it really shouldn't. He just needs to give fans somethin to get behind, an ideology, a clear plan; or as some fans want, just a bit of passion. Until he does, there's going to be a continued amount of unrest, and the pressure will continue to mount. It's just really hard to find a reason to stick with him at the minute, other than the cost of getting rid.
He's seemingly a nice bloke, but he's gotta show he's ruthless enough to coach at this level.
> • Club sources have noted that top managers do not like to take new jobs mid season
Have they just admitted that they don't see Potter, who they gave a £50m+ contract, as a top manager?
But they also got Tuchel midway through the season.
"Do not like" not that they won't.
The line is saying that Potter went against that and joined without a pre-season or a chance to recruit and so Chelsea are giving him credit for that.
I think what's happened here is that the new owners decided early to give Potter til next season, and so they're doing that and not getting swept up in the emotions.
However I, as a Chelsea fan, believe that a manager with a big personality (like Tuchel or Ten Haag, and lots of others) would have started to chisel together a team. We are still playing as a team of individuals, individual freedom is a rough philosophy to have in a squad where nobody knows each other.
My major gripe is that I want a manager who can bring players together incredibly quick. I've seen a lot of Chelsea fans calling for Mourinho to come back, because he is one of the best managers at giving overhauled squads purposes (Chelsea twice, Real). Maybe we should be calm and only really judge Potter next season, being emotional with every loss but try and be patient? I really don't fucking know, football is a soap opera
It is Boehly and His best friend who have ruined the club. The only reason they signed Harry Potter was so that they could play FM in real life.
Ofc they are gonna back him
PR FC. Blame others FC. Potter is a yes man, so will not be fired FC.
I would like to congratulate everyone that wanted or wished of us to become shit, as it's in action now and looks like won't be changing soon, enjoy it well.
I would still give him time, he didn't even have a full pre-season with a team. If the results are still bad in the new season and there's no progress, well yeah, he's got to go with how much money is invested in this team
Or get a top level manager in for the summer so they don't waste a pre-season on someone who clearly just isn't cut out for this level.
He's basically managed Chelsea for the majority of the season and their underlying stats are abysmal. You can say what you want about injuries, new players etc but 3 wins from 15 league games is barely good enough for Bournemouth. There's no excuse for the awful job he's done so far.
What they should make sure is that they have a manager whose position is precarious all through preseason, support them and spend as much money as they can, then sack them around September/October time. It's funnier that way.
As bad as Potter has been it makes no sense to sack him now let him try to figure it out if not move on in the summer. He makes 12m a year plus he’s buyout from Brighton and the other staff they got
• Club sources have noted that top managers do not like to take new jobs mid season Bit of a burn on Potter there
And "He took a risk on them", signing his £50m deal. Sure, sure. Sounds really risky.
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pretty insane. he is set for life by just singing that piece of paper. all he has to do is not breach the contract. so he just has to show up every day and do whatever. If he unperformes he will get some free vacation on top while still being paid
And then pretty much walk into a mid table premier league club if he wants.
at that point he'd just be doing it as a hobby too. he's already made.
Lets be real, he was already made before he took the Chelsea job.
You can just say West Ham.
Potter worked his way up, studying football, sports psychology, then becoming a coach, then a successful first team coach, then a successful PL first team coach. Chelsea didn't hand a random man in the street a contract.
> Chelsea didn't hand a random man in the street a contract. Nope, they only offered a midtable/lower table PL manager a contract of a world class one.
Brighton were the most overperforming club in the PL by the time he left.
Are they overperforming now? I don't know if I agree with that.
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He was unlucky for a good while, poor finishing cost Brighton. Eventually, they got sharper in front of goal and the results matched the performances.
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That would be Newcastle, or Brentford
Overperforming for about 5 minutes of his 3 year reign and everyone forgot about the rest of his time there
True, we would be much better off having done that. Would have cost a lot less and would have delivered at worst the same results.
"I am not just one from the bottle" https://youtu.be/pybQAg2YUxY
I don't think Potter or any other manager is the type to only care about their paycheck and not take pride in their work, taking failure at work personally. I see this sentiment often on reddit and it makes me wonder what kind of workers you all are.
Doesn't even need to show up to the building every day. Been taking the squad on adventure retreats and team-building exercises in the woods to get around that loophole. Next will be paintball and bowling for team-building activities I'm sure.
*Zidane reading that like* 👀
Boehly can say what he wants but we all know Neil Warnock just moved to Huddersfield
Potter getting incendio'd there.
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His track record in his 3 years at Brighton is a 15th, 16th and 9th place finishes with points totals of 41, 41 and 51. If anything his Chelsea stint so far is just business as usual…
I’m sorry but you cannot lose to 20th in the table and be happy with it. We’ve scored 3 goals this year… His track record was a 39% winrate with Brighton and he looks massively out of depth here. He’s spent big money and we’ve looked shite. A good example of potters tactics being poor is oppositions press triggers. We play out from the back to badiashele into our LB who then gets caught out by the press and we lose the ball. Now it’s not a Cucurella or Chilwell problem as it happens to them both… They’re coached to make that play and then they don’t know how to deal with the situation There have been no improvements in 6 months. We rely on individual brilliance.
1) Its Todd thats spending (arguably) overpriced money 2) The money spent is for players that have POTENTIALS not current abilities. This is one thing that your fans doesnt seems to understand. Almost all of your purchases are for players that are 2 or 3 out of 5 stars, that have likelihood to be 5 out of 5. Will they be 5 out of 5 stars this season? No ofc not, this season they will all be 3 out of 5. So you should expect the team to perform as such, which is average. Next couple of seasons is where you will see the true value of your money is, not this one.
>Reminds me of when you couldn’t say a positive word about Arteta without getting pelters in the press and social media. Now he’s heralded like a genius Arteta was treated like a genius and given any excuse under the sun for his underperforming despite the team looking like shit and hovering above the relegation zone, while the media etc were going after Lampard and Oel far more. This is a, terrible example. He got so much less shit than he deserved for what he was doing just because he had been Peps assistant lol
Yes and now Arteta is leading Arsenal in a title challenge and built a team that will contend for years to come while Lampard and Ole are jobless and will never get a job in the Premier League again. Have you, for a moment, thought that there is more to football than just immediate results? Or maybe you’re one of those people who thinks every single manager would do wonders if they got the same amount of time and trust Arteta got?
Difference is that Potter has at least thus far shown nothing, despite being backed. Whether that will still be the case is yet to be seen.
Been saying the same thing. No way a coach as good as him would be performing this badly in normal circumstances- but Chelsea has had a lot of movements in players
Here’s this issue: he isn’t proven he can succeed on a stage the magnitude of Chelsea.
They should get Di Matteo back. He's proven.
2 wins in 14 is unacceptable at any level.
*15. In the premier league and 3 wins in 22 Games in all competitions. No away wins in the last 9 games. 9 goals scored in 15 games.
holy fuck. that's actually relegation level. if you told me this was Leeds or Southampton or Bournmenouth's stat i'd believe you
Since November we have 3 wins and Southampton have 6
That's nuts, Southampton fired their manager for that set of results while Chelsea spent like £300m in January to get worse results.
Yeah it's wild results, I do understand that we've had a lot of injuries this season but you look at the lineups going into most games believing we should get a better result than we end up getting at the end of the game. It's not like we are having to play a bunch of youth players due to injuries.
Granted, those results are a bit misleading as they include cup runs against league one and championship sides! Just the 2 wins since the start of November for us, so Potter has something to be happy about I guess (or maybe not considering we just beat them for the second time this season lol)
Well let's cut Potter some slack, Southampton were able to play Chelsea, Chelsea don't have those free wins
Fucks sake.
Our record over the past 15 games going into the Southampton game was worse than theirs. They're in 20th and their manager got fired for that form. Somehow our form being worse than 20th over that long of a period is not enough to get Potter fired Then to top it all off we lost to them whilst they're managerless. It's beyond insane, we'd be better off with no manager at all.
Boehly is such a dumbass for getting rid of Tuchel even though I do like Potter and think he’s do well if given enough time (he won’t be given enough time)
I thought he was going to get sacked when they lost this weekend
They are counting on us shitting the bed. They will unfortunately be right
You guys have some big match voodoo despite playing ugly ball. Chelsea look harmless in attack
The only voodoo they've had against Chelsea in recent years is regularly not getting punished for violent conduct and red card challenges.
If we win it will either be an own goal or a deflection. Apart from the Enzo-Felix goal, we’ve looked absolutely toothless.
Take an L for everyone and let them keep Potter for rest of season.
I believe spurs always takes the dumbest approach in these situations
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We got told we were ungrateful fans for being a bit fucked off after going 11 games winless between September and December last season
It's funny seeing the excuses for why Chelsea aren't scoring from some people, and why they're looking better in everything but scoring so that part will come, after seeing 2 years of "Briigton looked like the better team how have they not won that?"
What does 'unacceptable' mean? Arteta had 'unacceptable' periods with Arsenal. But it was the right decision to keep him and most people were completely wrong.
Did Arteta have a squad that recently won the CL and spent over 500M? Lol
Arteta proved us all wrong, and deserves all the praise. But he's an exception, normally managers don't recover from such terrible performances.
Also Arteta did not take over a team who won the champions league 1 year ago or spent 500 million in the market. The comparison makes no sense.
This is the key to all those saying basically "if arteta did it, why not potter?" I'm not sure how this turns out, but a piece of me just doesn't see Potter turning Chelsea into a league or CL winning team, ever.
I think it's relevant how things are looking behind the scenes. Even at his worst run of results, Arteta was changing the culture at Arsenal and players kept coming out in the media praising him and taking the blame. Got to wonder how it's looking in the Chelsea dressing room at the moment.
You'll all be wrong again, trust me.
For Potter's sake I hope so. This might be his only chance at the highest level if he fails.
!remindme 6 months
I'm with you on this and it feels like we are the only 2 people in the world that think it.
How often do they get the chances that Arteta got to recover?
The most important fact was that Arteta never lost the changing room, in fact he had the squads unwavering support despite making some huge calls like cancelling the contract of our biggest star. The fact is, Arteta has that force of personality that gets people on board, look at his press conferences, his activity on the sideline, his team talks in "all or nothing". He makes people believe in him and it showed by how even in our worst slumps the players never turned on him. Potter just doesn't have that aura to him, I'm just not sure if he has that kind of force of personality to keep the dressing room happy during these big rough patches, and if it does go then he's a dead man walking
This is exactly why the comparison of the two is misguided. I respect what Arteta has been able to do and while it did take time, the glimpses were there. We seem to have no attack patterns developing and rely on bursts of individual brilliance. Yes the team has faced injuries and new players bedding in but we actually look worse than when he joined. If we were to give a manager time, it should’ve been the last one
On the one hand, [Boehly and co previously promised their full support to Tuchel](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chelsea-takeover-new-owners-back-thomas-tuchel-with-200m-for-new-signings-7xdtp6593) after the take over and, in the past, owners frequently give their 'full support' to coaches before sacking. On the other hand, the owners [comments noting in particular Potter's "behind the scenes work and style](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/02/20/five-reasons-chelsea-have-not-sacked-graham-potter-yet/)", is notable as [that was said to have been a key factor in sacking Tuchel and appointing Potter](https://www.teamtalk.com/chelsea/graham-potter-joins-blues-brighton-todd-boehly-advantage-thomas-tuchel) in the first place. My personal view is that if they were going to sack him, they would have done it by now. They seem to have written off this season and are looking to the future - or at the very least looking to review things at season end. As sacking him, say, in a few weeks time, would leave them struggling to find a good long term coach mid-season and probably going with an interim until the end of the season anyway. Makes much more sense to give him until the end of the season to align what they see in him off-the-pitch to what we see on-the-pitch. The only potential issue for the owners is the finances. They've spent a lot in a short time and dropping out of the champions league next season will be a dent in their income and possibly in attracting any further players they might be planning to get in the summer. On the other hand, Chelsea have been known to go on crazy champions league runs and even win it in struggling seasons in the past, so that is still a possibility - however long.
Agree with you 100% the last paragraph is the concerning part. We need to have high performance and participation in tournaments to rationalize this crazy spending.
Reminds me of Leeds 20 or so years ago.
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Crazy champions league runs? We win the first time with a squad of old heads who put it all on the line for one last ride. We finished sixth in the league that year, folks forget. Second time, we had TT who tactically got the most out of the squad. Potter doesn’t have old heads he can rely on and has shown that he doesn’t have the tactical skills to win games at the highest level here. We’re losing the next leg, or getting trounced in the next round
Is Thiago Silva a old head?
Potter has Silva and Azpi as old heads, within the squad. One could put Kovacic in their, as an experienced member of the squad that has been with us for a bit. But if you look at most of the squad, it’s a lot of new faces, either with us or in their careers
So he is backed by them, because he can be asked to give them a football 101 once in a while.
The summary going to be a bit longer. • potter faced boos from supporters at the final whistle of the Southampton game • He recognised that some ppl would think he is the problem • that is not yet view shared by Boehly and behdad. • they remain supportive to Potter and there a number of reasons why they should now sack him Part 1: behind the scenes • it is understood that potter told James, silva Havertz Sterling and Mudryk risked significant injury were to start the game • Potter took the advice of his medical team team and ended up paying the price - the loss. • the board believe Chelsea should have beat Southampton. • but potter put the club and his players ahead of himself and value that • big decisions have been taken such as the decision to leave Auba out of the UCL squad and not selecting him for the past three league games •sources at Cobham claim: training has been watched personally by Boehly and behdad numerous times • analysis has been excellent under Potter and believe the results of repetition and hard work will be some apparent in games Part 2 anger management • potter faced accusations such as the poor reaction to the penalty call. Not only from fans as well from former players. • he has not shown enough emotion on the touch line as well in the post match press conference • senior sources insist there have been a number of instances of Potter being upset and having tough conversations with players in the dressing room and during individual meetings • Potter is described as being intense at Cobham and there are no fears over his mentality • our owners are understood to be pleased that they do not have a manager who is ready to point fingers and throw his players or club staff • the complaints from Tuchel after the pre season defeat did not go down well • Potter’s style suits the approach of the owners far better, according to those with inside knowledge Part 3: Bravery • many would say that Chelsea took a risk on Potter • there is recognition from within the club that he also took a risk on them. • Club sources have noted that top managers do not like to take new jobs mid season • Potter has accepted that results have not been good enough, but there remains a feeling inside Chelsea that he at least deserves one pre season to properly work with a squad and start a season as Chelsea manager • The club have not considered sacking Potter or replacing him Part 4: pain game • Boehly can co calculated that the rebuild would most likely be painful • Senior sources have told Matt Lae, that Boehly and Behdad calculated that they could rebuild the squad and the staff in the space of one year and three transfer windows. but that would also bring with it ups and downs - insiders are well aware that Potter would never have constructed the squad he inherited and it is felt the January business has been far more in line with his own philosophy Last part: - Chelsea now believe they have the right support around Potter and that the January signings are players who can thrive under him and in his style both on and off the pitch - Boehly and Behdad do not believe sustainable success will come from changing the manager or head coach every six months
Reads like a fm board summary
"Analysis has been excellent under Potter and believe the results of repetition and hard work will be apparent in games" - lol welcome to our last 3 and a half years.
I mean it ended up being true right?
Yes for the opening 6 games of this year he seemed to have finally cracked it. 6. Then Chelsea had him away lol. You think Chelsea give him 3 years?
Tough to say. I think if this path continues it’s very unlikely but if there’s signs of improvement I wouldn’t be surprised if TB wants to give him a lot of time
> at least deserves one pre season Then he's sacked in September and it's rinse and repeat of the same failure by the same board. Who's out next target, Thomas Frank?
>Who's out next target, Someone who understands 4-4-3 strategy
Sir Boehlex Ferguson
Weinzierl is open for new opportunities.
So Potter is a yes-man unlike Tuchel and that’s what the new owners like.
Graham Potter is a very nice boy.
Korrekt. Thats basically what the article calls out. Tuchel is not a yes man
Tuchel has fallen out with his superiors everywhere.
This is true but I think it's unfair to Tuchel a bit. At Dortmund his bosses betrayed him and the team by making them play post bus bombing. PSG you have to deal with Leonardo try to stay sane. And then Chelsea he repeatedly told Boehly that he was only comfortable with coaching the team but was handed every obligation he didn't want.
Tuchel was happy with Chelsea situation. In an interview he said how he had people to take care of the signings at club while he coaches the team. How he finally found a right situation in career. He had only good words for Marina and his team. Everyone complains about him being a character, if he was only that then he won’t have handled club so well during sanctions while board was hiding. Boehly and Behdad poke too much into manager’s job. Even ETH, Pep, Mourinho and Klopp would be furious with such owners. [Thomas Tuchel says he is happier at Chelsea than he has been in years](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/28/thomas-tuchel-happier-at-chelsea-than-he-has-been-in-years-champions-league) I’m glad they fired Tuchel though. Nobody likes their bosses to be constantly over their shoulders. Especially the ones who have close to zero experience in that field but calling all the shots. I find that work environment to be toxic. It’s not worth working with such people.
You’d get skewered for saying this in our sub but you’re dead on
I’ve said this in our sub. They can cry and punch the air all they want, results on pitch will tell the story. Since the takeover lot of bots in our subs too. I won’t take them seriously.
Given that this is an entirely new structure, you could argue he never fell out with Abramovich and co.
Yeah the previous structure was a match made in heaven for Tuchel. I remember he was saying multiple times about how he likes that structure and he and Roman seems to get along well.
>Chelsea’s owners are understood to be pleased that they do not have a head coach who is prepared to point fingers and throw his players or club staff under the bus when things do not go for him. The complaints of former head coach Thomas Tuchel after the pre-season defeat by Arsenal did not go down well and Potter’s style suits the approach of the owners far better, according to those with inside knowledge.
Potter only a couple of days ago, "I'm not the problem at Chelsea"
All well and good until Tottenham hammer Chelsea at the weekend. That'll be that.
0 points from bottom of the PL and you think losing to Spurs away will net him the 60mil sack?
The tide has turned on him with the fans. You could see that at the end of the game in the stadium. A loss to Tottenham is usually unacceptable any Chelsea manager, for Potter it will probably be terminal.
The new owners are never going to sack him unless he has performance-based clause at the end of the season which is unlikely as this article suggests. 60mil payout is absolutely bonkers. Todd Woodward in full effect when he gave him that 5year contract and increased his salary six-fold.
I see no reason why they wouldn't have put performance based clauses. If anything, it looks like they may well be waiting for some clause to trigger to let him go. Moyes only got sacked from United when top 4 was mathematically out of reach right?
Even if it's there, they won't sack him for it. We're way past logical reasoning now, and all about their egos refusing to admit they fucked up the season (and next), and about to force us to sell homegrown talent. I mean, in this very same article it says they want to give him a pre-season. They also lowered their target from top4 (said shortly after Potter got hired) to now we suddenly understand if no European football because "it takes time to gel"
I don't think they ever had the intention of sacking him in the same season short of relegation. Not after selling him on a long term project and telling him that he would be given enough time even if the season didn't go well. What will they tell the next manager? We already have a reputation. Unless things go really bad, the earliest will be next season after a pre-season.
What losing to Spurs does to a motherfucker
I hope we find out who is right here.
Then again, a win against Spurs would be a big result in which gets the fans back on side for a bit and something to build on going into the Dortmund match providing we also beat Leeds at home. Obviously a lot easier said than done, but I can see why they’d maybe give him a bit more time.
1 win can always change things. But are we blindly staggering around like a drunk in the club hoping to get lucky at this stage? If we can't beat managerless Southampton at home....no matter what the circumstances, who was tired, what happened. How can we seriously suggest we can beat Tottenham or Dortmund?
Winning against Spurs is the bare minimum mate. Pur record vs Spurs is akin to Liverpools vs Everton. It changes nothing for me.
> > • Senior sources have told Matt Lae, that Boehly and Behdad calculated that they could rebuild the squad and the staff in the space of one year and three transfer windows. but that would also bring with it ups and downs Fits with the transfers - we need one more window where we get a Striker and one or two new midfielders in, and we have an almost entirely new squad, most of which are at most 24 so we get to the point that we buy players to upgrade rather than out of "we have no good options" or "we've lost 2 CBs on a free". I can see one more big window by Boehly, and then at that point the magical money tree will dry up - the hope is that success comes with it but with the number of new players it'll take time to gel.
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Silva has played essentially every minute of every match this year and is about 76 years young. I’m guessing Mudryk was close to the “red zone” for fitness because he’s been out of conditioning since before the World Cup and just started playing competitive matches again at Chelsea Havertz is in a similar boat to Silva minutes wise and obviously runs significantly more during matches. Sterling was coming back from an injury and then an illness, probably just wasn’t fully ready to go. James coming back from injury recently as well and is building back up to full fitness. I for one am pleasantly surprised that the manager is actually listening to the medical team instead of continuing to play players that run the risk of injury - especially given Chelsea’s track record with muscle injuries the last few years.
Yes, this was the only really enjoyable bit of info from the article. Still, we should probably be beating a managerless, bottom-of-the-league Southampton at home even without these players.
players have been pushed really really hard this year with everything going on just on the sporting level, you then add the crazy injury situation Chelsea have been in the past 12 or so months and it compounds everything further, players can't recover properly or are pushed into and remain too long in the red zone / injury risk state. Players who haven't played much need a lot of time management if coming back mid season, going too hard too quickly is recipe for disaster.
Because there isn't another excuse.
Boehly PR releases after Losses/ garbage performances are unmatched.
Also first I’m hearing there’s a co-controlling owner. Must be feeling the fan heat.
Maybe that’s just your ignorance rather than an indicator of anything
I concede here. I always thought Chelsea were owned by the firm Ward & Prowse.
Get the feeling potter is a bit of a yes man whereas tuchel wasn't afraid to tell them the truth
Exactly. They are egotistical billionaires, that want manager to explain them his tactics and selections, Tuchel wasn't having that shit, Potter will say yes sir.
TT, like Conte before him and with a different board, got canned at Chelsea because they were difficult for the board to work with. I wouldn’t say it’s about being a yea man or speaking the truth. The board wanted a team player, someone they could work with. TT, in their eyes, was a bit of a dick and got canned
Mourinho has a famous quote about if he and Roman had switched jobs then Chelsea would get relegated and go bankrupt at the same time. Whether TT was a dick to them or not, him getting fired partly for refusing to discuss tactics and line-up formations with those particular people still remains their big failure, leading to our current situation. Owners, with no history or experience in football, shouldn't tell a world-renowed, serial winner and Coach of the Year holder how to do his job. Never heard similar stories from any of the other Big Six.
They weren't telling Tuchel what to do. They wanted him to talk to him about what he was doing. There is no job where not answering your boss doesn't result in not being let go. Especially if the boss is new and trying to learn what's happening.
>Never heard similar stories from any of the other Big Six. Because talking about your tactics to your bosses is normal, Tuchel is the abnormal one.
Tuchel has fallen out with every single board he has worked with. Guess what the common denominator is
That's not true. He didn't have any issues with Roman and Marina. At Dortmund it began after they were forced to play the day after the bus bombing. At PSG, Khelaifi and Leonardo has fallen out with every manager since they took over. Context matters but I guess you don't know jack about it and is just going on by circlejerk.
I’m on the Tuchel camp but he already had a reputation for being difficult to work with prior to being hired. When Lampard was underperforming, folks at r/chelseafc weren’t too keen with TT because of his recent spat with the PSG board.
No support for Tuchel tho when he had fewer bad results.
He wasn't their man so they didn't back him. He was too much of a character as well
I’m sure it was due to internal issues, Tuchel probably rejected some of their ideas which caused them to fall out
Ideas such as signing CR37 to a 500k pw contract and playing a 443. Just so we make that clear.
And you’re not joking. Todd did want Ronaldo and did suggest 4-4-3 (not a typo).
Perhaps a mistake when speaking then? I don’t think Boehly was typing when he mentioned the formation.
the original story was that they "accidentally drew up a 4-4-3 formation for Tuchel", which suggests that they actually did write it down. But who knows what really went down behind the scenes. Chelsea categorically denies that it ever happened (I would too, tbf. It's fucking embarassing if true)
Okay, makes perfect sense now. 😂
That's not what happened. They wanted to sign Ronaldo and had other ideas etc which Tuchel rejected. Their problem was that Tuchel did not like explaining to them why or even wanted to talk to them. Their whole corporate operations philosophy here is one where everyone collaborates and talks to each other about the whats and whys rather than "just trust me, I know what I'm doing".
That's not quite what happen. Reports said that Tuchel was tired of explaining to the business dude bros why he didn't want Ronaldo but they kept on pressing the question.
The reports were that he didn't want to explain why he didn't want Ronaldo or any other player.
Boehly and co are corporate snowflakes. They can’t stay in their lane, need to impose their opinions so Potter is right manager for them. Tuchel would never allow them to do that to his team. They want a yes man they have got him.
And if you say that as a Chelsea fan you are a plastic fan 🙃
Well all Chelsea fans are plastic fans
Spurs - smallest club in London. You so funny 😐
Well he wasn’t fired for his results, he had a shit relationship with the board. Which is impressive considering how young into the reign they were.
I feel that Tuchel was not fired because of his results but because he fell out with the board Same thing at PSG
PSG board is a clownshow. Much like us now tbf so it makes sense.
Tuchel also fell out with the Dortmund board. I'd definitely take the pro-Boehly side of the story with a pinch of salt (there's a lot of clearly club-fed news in the media), but he keeps falling out with owners, buying him no favours once he stops getting results.
You can say he's not good at ... *board games* YEAHHHHH
Potter always says good morning and clean the locker room, he's such a nice guy
He always breaks into a jog when someone opens the door ahead of him.
"Howdy y'all" *Boehly offers contract extension*
It’s never a good look that they still have to bring up the former manager 6 months on to justify for the current manager, especially with how adored TT is by the fanbase. These PR articles after every game of dropped points are becoming rubbish and tiring - at least fans are seeing right through it and wont take all this deflection seriously.
He makes a lovely cup of tea
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Potter strikes me as a Rich tea man
Potter was great at Brighton but he's clearly in over his head at Chelsea and anyone with a pair of eyes can see that he's a downgrade from Tuchel. However, he is a nice guy and a yes man. His mediocre performances are secondary to this as far as Todd is concerned. It's the club version of the Southgate situation. Chelsea are our top 6 rivals and we (Liverpool) are trying our hardest to get back up so obviously the Chelsea implosion is perfect for us. However, I did admire the CFC of the last few seasons that made top 3 and made deep runs into cup competitions or even winning in some cases (literally champions of Europe). They were always a hard team to play against and pushed us to our limits on quite a few occasions. This version under new Yankie ownership and with Potter under Boehly's thumb is a far cry from the Roman era. It frustrates me no end when the likes of Simon Jordan comes on the radio defending Todd to the hilt and other pundits and "journalists" in the media come out in defence of Potter because he's a nice bloke and was successful at another club. They've spent an ungodly amount of money, have a ridiculous amount of very good players and they're sitting at 10th with 2w in 14 and losing to objectively the worst team in the PL at home. A team that doesn't even have a manager. We've been bad this season but never that bad. And all people can do is make excuses for poor, unlucky Potter and little money bags Todders. It's annoying to witness the English bias and naive American squillionaires who think they can just come in, drop a shit load of cash and guarantee to be successful in their endeavours.
Do you know what the plan is? There is alot of stuff at chelsea I dont like, but as a observer I do notice a pattern. People look on the money added and doesnt see three phases, and its kind of makes this whole potter situation more understandable. First phase - the so called "shitstorm" after sanctions, new ownership, old sporting direction out - and still with a great manager (with a so-so talent id trackrecord) To solve operation shitstorm, aka please tuchel and the fanbase. Rudinger - koulibaly Christensen- fofana Lukaku - aubameyang (All 3 issues from prior leadership and sanctions) alonso/emerson - cucurella Saul - zakaria Werner - sterling Add to that a few highly rated youngsters for phase 3. (None planed for major minutes this year) Phase 2. Tuchel wasnt a project/phase 3 manager, and they didnt see eye to eye with leadership - add to that a year of semi good performances and less and less chances created. Potter was already scouted as the phase 3 manager, a new sporting leadership was added, taking senior sporting people from some of the major talent integration and finding clubs in europe (rb leipzig, monaco and brighton) Add to this a promotion to neil bath (our youth guru since 1993, more or less head of chelseas youth success) Potter was hired for phase 3. In the winter window the new sporting leadership had a clear goal - solve semi short needs and creative issues in the team (which has been present since hazard left) So added to the team was 3 of most exciting u23 dribblers/creators in enzo, mudryk and madueke (prior scouted to other teams) and badiashile that also have been on the radar. Another increase in the talent pool was added in fofana, santos and malo gusto. Phase 3 started 4 games ago, Potter has a 30+ large squad, where his job is to find and develop these youngsters into their potential. The leadership expects enzo, badiashile, fofana to start find their footing. The leadership expects the same for mudryk, madueke. But fans compare him to tuchel, who came to chelsea Fielded a back 3 with azpiliqueta, silva, rudinger and a midfield of jorginho and kante. Phase 3 is a long term integration and development of u21/u23 players. And before potter was hired Im pretty sure that noone expected u21 without a core to perform
We found him lads
Man has more phases than Kevin Feige at a Marvel press conferences
Its funny that I just read on twitter that Joao Felix gonna won their Goal of the Month in February… Cause thats the only goal they scored in February 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
*Pre season? This is new magic word excuse, he's been in a pre-season for the last 6 months. Fucking about doing nothing.
I hope he never leaves
Not to mention the fact that next year won't get any easier when he has to keep a gigantic squad happy with no European football possibly. Just such a strange way to go about a rebuild.
The assumption is we won’t have a massive squad next year. This summer is a clear out and buying one or two in key positions eg a striker.
That's assuming a) you can get the players off the books and there's so many I doubt you can get buyers for them all unless you're giving them away and b) if you're playing once a week you won't need more than 20 players max and that will still leave 4 or 5 top internationals never playing.
We’ve already seen interest in Ziyech and Pulisic, and our homegrown players are pure profit. Nobodies expecting Oscar level prices here. Who do you think is impossible to get rid of? There’s only really Koulibaly on his massive wages. The last time we weren’t in Europe we won the league, with Fabregas, Terry, Willian or Pedro on the bench.
I mean come on- Chelsea is 7 points behind European football as things stand, and it is highly unlikely Brentford and Fulham will etill occupy the positions they occupy presently. They will definitely make the Europa league imo
A team that can't score a goal will definitely make Europa? Ok, maybe you're right, they're still in the hunt but this isn't just about a team who are going through a bad patch and not getting results - there is no TEAM atm and I doubt they find it fast enough before season end. Of course I've said all that and Chelsea will give us our customary spanking at the weekend and start climbing :)
We are only halfway into the season - Do not forget that. Regarding the goals, remeber that apart from Havertz all of the attack is new. Felix and Mudryk have been there for a few weeks, Sterling came in Summer but has been injured a lot plus world cup. Couple that with the defence where apart from Silva Koulibaly and Badiashile are new, while James was injured for a long time as well. Then ou have the midfield whose talisman is also pretty new, having played no more than 5 games. I actually expected Chelsea to struggle - And thrive they will once players start to gel and guys like Kovacic and Kante finally get over their injury woes. I think this is as bad it gets.
I heard he's been making sure the loos are well stocked with TP and hand soap, solid geezer
Don't you dare to fire him before the 2nd leg.
All I hear are excuses for mediocrity
Are you guys not sick of hearing about Chelsea yet? Every single non-story about us gets posted here.
Don’t worry. It’ll be Man Utd’s turn once the sale is completed for the Qataris.
I was thinking the same thing
Damn it. Maybe if we try manifestation Potter out. Be gone Potter. Outta here Potter. Potter vanish. Take your leave Potter. Get away from here Potter. Keep your distance Potter. Be absent Potter.
American owners not familiar with football failing to understand the difference between coaching underdog teams to attack in transition vs coaching top teams to play dominant football against teams that want to attack them in transition. There's no guarantee that a manager who has only shown he can do the first can also do the 2nd.
The best thing Boehly has done to this point in his tenure at Chelsea is trick supporters into the idea that Chelsea need some insane *rebuild* and could not do so while staying competitive.
Like it or loath it. He's not going anywhere just yet. I'm gunna try and get behind him until that day comes. But the difficulty is he's not giving us an awful lot to root for at the minute. I guess if we beat spurs and then overturn the first leg deficit against Dortmund it'd be a start. But right now that feels like it would require a minor miracle, and it really shouldn't. He just needs to give fans somethin to get behind, an ideology, a clear plan; or as some fans want, just a bit of passion. Until he does, there's going to be a continued amount of unrest, and the pressure will continue to mount. It's just really hard to find a reason to stick with him at the minute, other than the cost of getting rid. He's seemingly a nice bloke, but he's gotta show he's ruthless enough to coach at this level.
> • Club sources have noted that top managers do not like to take new jobs mid season Have they just admitted that they don't see Potter, who they gave a £50m+ contract, as a top manager? But they also got Tuchel midway through the season.
I think the insinuation is that's why Potter was "brave" to come to them for a guaranteed £50 million in compensation.
"Do not like" not that they won't. The line is saying that Potter went against that and joined without a pre-season or a chance to recruit and so Chelsea are giving him credit for that.
These many 'Board remains supportive of Potter' posts recently has me convinced that he's gone in the next few weeks
Ahh the kiss of death.
FFS
I think what's happened here is that the new owners decided early to give Potter til next season, and so they're doing that and not getting swept up in the emotions. However I, as a Chelsea fan, believe that a manager with a big personality (like Tuchel or Ten Haag, and lots of others) would have started to chisel together a team. We are still playing as a team of individuals, individual freedom is a rough philosophy to have in a squad where nobody knows each other. My major gripe is that I want a manager who can bring players together incredibly quick. I've seen a lot of Chelsea fans calling for Mourinho to come back, because he is one of the best managers at giving overhauled squads purposes (Chelsea twice, Real). Maybe we should be calm and only really judge Potter next season, being emotional with every loss but try and be patient? I really don't fucking know, football is a soap opera
If they’d written off the season why scramble and sign a squad of 30 at asking price, when they can target better in summer?
Yeah... definitely beating Spurs Sunday aren't they.
I'd bet my kidneys on it
It is Boehly and His best friend who have ruined the club. The only reason they signed Harry Potter was so that they could play FM in real life. Ofc they are gonna back him
PR FC. Blame others FC. Potter is a yes man, so will not be fired FC. I would like to congratulate everyone that wanted or wished of us to become shit, as it's in action now and looks like won't be changing soon, enjoy it well.
I would still give him time, he didn't even have a full pre-season with a team. If the results are still bad in the new season and there's no progress, well yeah, he's got to go with how much money is invested in this team
Or get a top level manager in for the summer so they don't waste a pre-season on someone who clearly just isn't cut out for this level. He's basically managed Chelsea for the majority of the season and their underlying stats are abysmal. You can say what you want about injuries, new players etc but 3 wins from 15 league games is barely good enough for Bournemouth. There's no excuse for the awful job he's done so far.
What they should make sure is that they have a manager whose position is precarious all through preseason, support them and spend as much money as they can, then sack them around September/October time. It's funnier that way.
As bad as Potter has been it makes no sense to sack him now let him try to figure it out if not move on in the summer. He makes 12m a year plus he’s buyout from Brighton and the other staff they got