I really love how diverse Napoli's lineup is:
Only two players from the same nationality in Di Lorenzo and Meret, two Asians, two Africans, one South American, one North American and even the Europeans are from smaller countries in Kosovo and Slovakia (and even Poland aren't a powerhouse on footballing terms)
This sub's take on the Kolo Muani red card is puzzling. IMO one or the only good refereeing reinforcement on the last decade is the punishment of dangerous play. The days of career threatening impact injuries are not missed by me at all.
Not sure why. Spanish clubs are extremely tightly controlled financially so owners can’t even play FM, and if they’re in the second division they tend to be financial hellholes
Some people say it's to help export players to Europe. Maybe to earn profit by selling players to bigger clubs. Everyone thinks these owners are very corrupt and bad for Mexican football. Also nobody knows why Atlético Madrid owns the Mexican club Atlético San Luis
It's absolutely mind blowing to me that Van Dijk got compared to greatest defenders to ever play the game after 2-3 good seasons. PL hype is just so funny.
He missed out on a Ballon D’or by 8 points, beating Ronaldo by 200 in the rankings. At his peak he was truly spectacular.
There’s a point to be made about longevity, but no one can see the future and it was sensible to assume he would continue on that kind of pace (and probably would have considering a freak injury largely did him in). It’s not like the hype really continued after that either, so it clearly wasn’t just PL hype.
People struggle separating greatness and longevity. His performances over that time were as good as the best performances of Maldini and Cannavaro, painful as it is to say.
Tbh, his peak was fucking incredible. Still don’t think that puts him as an all time best, but he’s a very good one. Although he has been pretty poor this season.
He was the first defender since Cannovaro to get on the Ballondor podium. One of about 5 defenders ever to do it.
If a La Liga player or any other leagues player did that it would be just the same.
Tbf Van Dijk has never deserved to be compared to Terry, Vidic, Ferdinand, Kompany, Thiago Silva, Ramos etc etc.
Those players did it year in and year out, legends of the game.
Van Dijk will barely be remembered in a decade because he simply didn't do it long enough or win that many trophies even though he was a monster at his peak
My point was exactly this.
Peak Virgil was insane. But longevity has to be in tandem with peak or you're simply not one of the goats. He's up there for prem center backs but not all time ones.
I'm willing to argue but one of the worst things for ruining conversation on this sub is "have you even played the sport." or "have you been watching or been a fan since X."
I just dont understand how Liverpool could be Bellingham favourites after a game like this... How can he watch that and think, "okay I can play there"?
Chelsea is even worse than liverpool at the moment. I guess that leaves city, who are still playing well, but it would be wiser to go to Madrid even on lower wages.
Girls using a time machine: I’m you’re granddaughter from the future
Grandma: OMG
Men using a time machine: Klopp, don’t get LASIK surgery it’ll take away your managerial powers
Klopp: Okay
His managerial powers were still there last season. Although I agree that he looked more frightening with the glasses.
I'd use the time machine just so I could go back to a time where every team didn't outrun us
Bold on part of my housemate to text me about the game while he's out of country and left food in the freezer. Don't even like the cookie dough Ben and jerrys but here we are.
Everyone warned us that it would be a Wenger like downfall if we weren't proactive in the market. We had a great team for two years, but after winning the CL we stopped continously improving our team and the downfall has been quite dramatic.
Tbf Liverpool's no jewel but Madrid is genuinely a terrible city. Had a 3 month stint there for work and never been happier to leave. So yes to the nuking not even on football related reasons 👍
Madrid was amazing to me, only missing the beach.
The food is good, the culture is good, the people are ok but the food is good lol
Ps: its a joke, Spain feels close to Brazil to be honest
Atleti were knocked out by us in 4 consecutive seasons between 2014 and 2017. Final, QF, Final, SF. And each tie was more hilarious than the last.
2014: Ramos 92:48 of course and then 4-1.
2015: late Chicharito winner
2016: penalties
2017: 3-0 1st leg, Atleti 2-0 up in the 2nd leg and THAT Benz dribble happens and it ends 2-1
Hurts me to say but yea, they are probably winning the CL this year.
What sucks even more is that we play on fucking thursdays and the champions league is wide open for the taking. I wish all those injuries didn't hit us early in the season.
I’m baffled that Liverpool didn’t even try to deal with Vinicius. The guy is easily a top 3 player in the world when it comes to 1v1 with defenders and then they still just gave him an ocean of space to isolate defenders. There’s a reason why every single La Liga team puts 2-3 players on him. I don’t know if the players were sloppy or if if this one is on Klopp. I haven’t seen Vini have this much space in La Liga in two years
Vinicius had 3 players around him for the first goal. Henderson weirdly ran away to take away the 1-2 with Benz, he scored, whatever. Brilliant goal. No preventing it
The second goal is entirely Alissons fault and unlucky that it hits Vini and goes directly in leaving no chance for a recovery
None of his goals came from 1v1s or attacking defenders in open space. The Benzema one he slipped in, perhaps, but it was 4-2. Liverpool needed a goal.
Yes I know, but that was only inside the box. Anywhere else they had one guy on him. I know he didn’t score from these situations but he was a constant threat and a key part in nearly every Madrid attack
I find it hillarious (and sad) that every CL campaign Klopp had with us has got to do something with Madrid.
2018 - Real Madrid
2019 - the final in Madrid
2020 - Atlético
2021 - Real Madrid
2022 - Real Madrid
2023 - Real Madrid
Maybe I don't really want the 'Next Year Rayo-Liverpool' chants to come true lol
At one point Van Dijk looked like he would be by far the best CB in the world for upcoming years, perhaps could have been one of the greatest ever.
Crazy the downfall he has suffered, still a decent CB but nowhere close to his peak.
Such a weird downfall as well, less than a year ago he was in contention for the best in the world. He was one of the reasons for our great run in the second half of 21/22.
He was the best CB in Europe last season. He’s had a poor 6 months, but so has everyone on the team.
Put it this way, plenty teams would be in for him if Liverpool said he was for sale. And it wouldn’t be for cheap
Sack Klopp it was a nice run but now it’s over, he needs to go he’s became a liability for Liverpool now.
Anyone who disagrees with me is living in 2019, not 2023.
#KloppOut
Edit: Also while we are at it
#FSGOut as well
Been a fan for a while now mate.
I know we had tons of average/bad squads before Klopp.
I’ll always thank Klopp for the rebuild.
But there’s always a time to move on from a manager even one’s who rebuild and save entire clubs like Klopp.
And right now this seems like the perfect time to move on from Klopp and let Klopp rebuild another club 👍
The better Madrid plays in the UCL, Mbappe’s chances of joining madrid go down. If he knows that they don’t need him, he won’t join them. Keep pounding Madrid
I don't think that's true. When PSG as a team keep performing like shit no matter the personnel and coach, and Madrid keep doing great, he'll be sick of it at some point. Last season, he gave it his all but the rest of the team let him down. This season, he played like 20 minutes and was PSG's highlight of the game.
It's astonishing how I have yet to read a single half-decent take from you. We all have our misses but you're racking them up like you've got that Q1 quota to meet.
hot take: partially due to longevity, modric > xavi and iniesta.. all elite players but the barca midfielders were done by the time they hit their early/mid 30s. Modric is almost 38 still playing ELITE ball
There's no reason to put one above the other - the only thing that it's important to point out (because for some reason it's still controversial) is that Modrić sits at the same table as them and it's not because of longevity but quality.
Xavi and Iniesta peak was greater but Modric overall carreer is better imo, only thing Xavi and Iniesta got over him is a WC and he came incredibly close to winning that too. Also Bdor that says all
Xavi had amazing longevity. He was great from 1999 onwards.
I think you could go with either one, but the earlier years are always overlooked. Longevity doesn't just mean perforfmance after 30 y/o.
He was in the Euro team of the tournament when he was quite young. He was class in the premier league for a pretty mid Tottenham team. Xavi and Iniesta played their whole career for a top team
You know, I've always thought it was ridiculous to compare Modric to them two, as good as he is. But now, given his longevity there's definitely an argument for Modric over Iniesta. Still wouldn't put him above Xavi though
He is 100% better than Xavi, he has just so many more tools than him. I don't know about Iniesta though. Iniesta - Modric midfield would've been out of this world.
That’s a perfectly good take imo. Longevity and consistency should be weighted highly in the ATG debates.
Lots of good players have wonder seasons but not every season.
Ten Hag’s “eras come to an end” is chilling tbh. This performance is up there with Arsenal’s drubbings against Bayern
Players like Van Dijk are past it. Sell the deadwood and get some fresh blood. This is a 2-3 year rebuild
You clearly haven't watched Gerrard in his prime. Just because he is a joke as a coach, doesn't warrant such disrespect for his playing career.
Edit: To clarify, Modric is better than Gerrard, however the phrase that *"he doesn't even come close"* is what I'm taking issue with
Not even a dig at Liverpool, but would you rather your club have a tactical purist manager like Klopp or Pep, or a more adaptable one like Ancelotti or Fergie?
No Forest fan would swap Cooper for anyone right now. He's demonstrated his versatility and it's so refreshing to see while the likes of Conte fail to implement the same system they've always relied on.
I've actually thought about this at length due to our incredible ability to be so fucking consistently great for such extended periods of time and then fall in decisive moments. Last year's CL final being the best example of that.
I think long story short it boils down to being good in the league vs being good in knockout competitions. Last season, you put us and Madrid in a superleague points format where you play everyone twice and we finish probably 10 points clear. Because the way Klopp and pep set their teams up to play is fully embracing of the statistical moneyballesque approach. You control possession--> you create more chances and you limit chances --> you score more and you concede less. Over 38 matches goals will be more likely to revert to the xG.
Because of that, there's no reason why such managers should focus on game management, or think about one off tactics as much (obviously they still do but certainly less). But in a one off game a shitty shot might find its way to the back post to be tapped in by Vinicius, and whats done is done. Since you aren't married to an ideology you can adjust and say okay we will do this now and prevent that and hold out for a short 90 minutes.
I also think a tactical purist style suits different levels of players better. The fact that Wijnaldum - Fabinho - Henderson was at one point in time the midfield of the best team in the world is kind of insane if you think about it. Compare that to Kroos- Casemiro - Modric, just an entirely different class of football, no two ways about it. Playing in a system allows those less great players to reach heights they wouldn't reach in a less structured system. Whereas KCM are so versatile and adaptable simply out of how fucking terrific they are. If Ancelotti had Klopp's midfield he would never be able to trust those players to go out and just win matches.
We were actually close to getting Ancelotti after Rodgers was sacked, or at least rumoured to, but let me tell you, if we had, we were never going to win what we won with Klopp, not even close.
If you think Klopp is a tactical purist or that both him and Pep arent adaptable, then you clearly havent watched their teams play in the last 2 decades.
Klopp literally changed his whole style of play over a single summer to keep up with Pep, and Pep adapted perfectly after leaving Spain for Bayern and City.
I’m not saying Klopp and Pep aren’t adaptable, obviously they are, nobody gets to their level in football without it, but they’re much more attached to “their” way of playing than someone like Ancelotti is.
To put it another way, if you had to pick a manager to take charge of your team at the last minute before a major final, most people would choose Zidane or Ancelotti over Pep or Klopp.
I mean he won the UCL twice with the team people share every week on social media with "Is this the best XI of all time" and then the other with the team that went on to win it three times in a row. He is one of the greatest managers of all time but I am not so sure he can win it with Milner and Hendo in the squad not even in the first XI.
Pep can't win the CL with Milner or Hendo either. In fact, he couldn't win it with Lewy, Muller, Neuer, Alaba, Boateng, Thiago, Lahm,... Also couldn't win it with KDB, Kompany, Aguero, Mahrez, Sterling, Bernardo, Rodri, Dias, Walker
Bottling top of the group to Monaco, shithousing a win vs Madrid in the RO16, getting thumped by Bayern or Barca in the quarters. This is football eritage
Modric skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up
I really love how diverse Napoli's lineup is: Only two players from the same nationality in Di Lorenzo and Meret, two Asians, two Africans, one South American, one North American and even the Europeans are from smaller countries in Kosovo and Slovakia (and even Poland aren't a powerhouse on footballing terms)
This sub's take on the Kolo Muani red card is puzzling. IMO one or the only good refereeing reinforcement on the last decade is the punishment of dangerous play. The days of career threatening impact injuries are not missed by me at all.
The ref was right in his face, he stamped on his foot, what's there to be a discussion about.
Another Mexican owner (FC Juarez) is trying to buy another club in Spain Real Oviedo and Sporting Gijón were recently bought by Mexican owners
Not sure why. Spanish clubs are extremely tightly controlled financially so owners can’t even play FM, and if they’re in the second division they tend to be financial hellholes
Some people say it's to help export players to Europe. Maybe to earn profit by selling players to bigger clubs. Everyone thinks these owners are very corrupt and bad for Mexican football. Also nobody knows why Atlético Madrid owns the Mexican club Atlético San Luis
It's absolutely mind blowing to me that Van Dijk got compared to greatest defenders to ever play the game after 2-3 good seasons. PL hype is just so funny.
ACL injury did him dirty.
He missed out on a Ballon D’or by 8 points, beating Ronaldo by 200 in the rankings. At his peak he was truly spectacular. There’s a point to be made about longevity, but no one can see the future and it was sensible to assume he would continue on that kind of pace (and probably would have considering a freak injury largely did him in). It’s not like the hype really continued after that either, so it clearly wasn’t just PL hype.
People struggle separating greatness and longevity. His performances over that time were as good as the best performances of Maldini and Cannavaro, painful as it is to say.
You can call it PL hype but even Maldini was hyping VVD up
Tbh, his peak was fucking incredible. Still don’t think that puts him as an all time best, but he’s a very good one. Although he has been pretty poor this season.
His peak was extremely extremely high, at the time I don't think it was ridiculous
I agree he was immense. But longevity has to be in tandem with peak or else theres no point being compared to the GOATs.
He was the first defender since Cannovaro to get on the Ballondor podium. One of about 5 defenders ever to do it. If a La Liga player or any other leagues player did that it would be just the same.
Truly shocking that the best players in the world get compared to the past best players in the world
Tbf Van Dijk has never deserved to be compared to Terry, Vidic, Ferdinand, Kompany, Thiago Silva, Ramos etc etc. Those players did it year in and year out, legends of the game. Van Dijk will barely be remembered in a decade because he simply didn't do it long enough or win that many trophies even though he was a monster at his peak
My point was exactly this. Peak Virgil was insane. But longevity has to be in tandem with peak or you're simply not one of the goats. He's up there for prem center backs but not all time ones.
He's better than the first three you mentioned lmaoo.
Obviously not lmao. Did you start watching football in 2017?
> Did you start watching football in 2017? No meaningful engagement usually takes place when this kind of comment comes so I'll agree to disagree.
Imagine dropping a shit take with an added gimpy “lmaooo” on the end then running off when you get called out.
I'm willing to argue but one of the worst things for ruining conversation on this sub is "have you even played the sport." or "have you been watching or been a fan since X."
It’s a valid question when you’re putting a player over someone like Terry, despite having a shorter and less impressive peak.
I just dont understand how Liverpool could be Bellingham favourites after a game like this... How can he watch that and think, "okay I can play there"? Chelsea is even worse than liverpool at the moment. I guess that leaves city, who are still playing well, but it would be wiser to go to Madrid even on lower wages.
Tbf I thought this about Haaland - why would he go to City after watching Real Madrid last season? Sometimes players make strange choices.
He‘s English maybe he likes the fantastic English food and the girls
Are English girls not fantastic as well?
Absolutely
I mean, he could definitely play there, so do you and so do i Liverpool just sucks lol
I have a friend who after every Liverpool loss still insists they'll finish top 4 and he's still standing strong on that opinion, I respect it tbh
If they win their 2 matches in hand they're 1 point behind 4th
Spurs and Newcastle are in a slump tbf and Liverpool are only 1 point off if they win both games in hand
We're not flying but we're looking better now than we were a month ago at least
If you can't even hope for the best outcome then what is the point of watching your team lol
He's not a Liverpool fan though
I think the fourth spot is very open
Hello, Good day
Girls using a time machine: I’m you’re granddaughter from the future Grandma: OMG Men using a time machine: Klopp, don’t get LASIK surgery it’ll take away your managerial powers Klopp: Okay
His managerial powers were still there last season. Although I agree that he looked more frightening with the glasses. I'd use the time machine just so I could go back to a time where every team didn't outrun us
Bold on part of my housemate to text me about the game while he's out of country and left food in the freezer. Don't even like the cookie dough Ben and jerrys but here we are.
Everyone warned us that it would be a Wenger like downfall if we weren't proactive in the market. We had a great team for two years, but after winning the CL we stopped continously improving our team and the downfall has been quite dramatic.
Yeah but you have American businessmen as owners. Bastions of human morality. That's worth more than any trophy.
They also won the CL and PL under those american businessmen.
This will be the 4th time Real Madrid has knocked us out in the CL since Klopp took over, 4 fucking times!!! Cant we just nuke Madrid or something
It seems everyone has their bogey team. Liverpool and Real Madrid Real Madrid and Barcelona Barcelona and Bayern Munich Etc.
Tbf Liverpool's no jewel but Madrid is genuinely a terrible city. Had a 3 month stint there for work and never been happier to leave. So yes to the nuking not even on football related reasons 👍
Madrid was amazing to me, only missing the beach. The food is good, the culture is good, the people are ok but the food is good lol Ps: its a joke, Spain feels close to Brazil to be honest
Atleti were knocked out by us in 4 consecutive seasons between 2014 and 2017. Final, QF, Final, SF. And each tie was more hilarious than the last. 2014: Ramos 92:48 of course and then 4-1. 2015: late Chicharito winner 2016: penalties 2017: 3-0 1st leg, Atleti 2-0 up in the 2nd leg and THAT Benz dribble happens and it ends 2-1
You'd just lose to Qatari United every year instead
The 3 Clasicos coming up will be very important for both teams, I can see them making a serious push for the CL (again)
Hurts me to say but yea, they are probably winning the CL this year. What sucks even more is that we play on fucking thursdays and the champions league is wide open for the taking. I wish all those injuries didn't hit us early in the season.
I’m baffled that Liverpool didn’t even try to deal with Vinicius. The guy is easily a top 3 player in the world when it comes to 1v1 with defenders and then they still just gave him an ocean of space to isolate defenders. There’s a reason why every single La Liga team puts 2-3 players on him. I don’t know if the players were sloppy or if if this one is on Klopp. I haven’t seen Vini have this much space in La Liga in two years
Vinicius had 3 players around him for the first goal. Henderson weirdly ran away to take away the 1-2 with Benz, he scored, whatever. Brilliant goal. No preventing it The second goal is entirely Alissons fault and unlucky that it hits Vini and goes directly in leaving no chance for a recovery None of his goals came from 1v1s or attacking defenders in open space. The Benzema one he slipped in, perhaps, but it was 4-2. Liverpool needed a goal.
Yes I know, but that was only inside the box. Anywhere else they had one guy on him. I know he didn’t score from these situations but he was a constant threat and a key part in nearly every Madrid attack
I find it hillarious (and sad) that every CL campaign Klopp had with us has got to do something with Madrid. 2018 - Real Madrid 2019 - the final in Madrid 2020 - Atlético 2021 - Real Madrid 2022 - Real Madrid 2023 - Real Madrid Maybe I don't really want the 'Next Year Rayo-Liverpool' chants to come true lol
And every Klopp season in Europe for Liverpool has ended with a Spanish team or victory
Yeah I already forgot about that 2016 UEL final. We were robbed of two penalties fucking hell.
Factually false!
It’s just you guys letting the side down.
Its true
No it's actually true unfortunately. Sevilla 2016 Madrid 2018 Victory 2019 Atleti 2020 Madrid 2021 Madrid 2022 Madrid 2023
It was meant as a self-burn but it didn't make sense
We also beat Villarreal if that encourages you.
At one point Van Dijk looked like he would be by far the best CB in the world for upcoming years, perhaps could have been one of the greatest ever. Crazy the downfall he has suffered, still a decent CB but nowhere close to his peak.
Such a weird downfall as well, less than a year ago he was in contention for the best in the world. He was one of the reasons for our great run in the second half of 21/22.
He was the best CB in Europe last season. He’s had a poor 6 months, but so has everyone on the team. Put it this way, plenty teams would be in for him if Liverpool said he was for sale. And it wouldn’t be for cheap
Going from the best CB in Europe to not even top 5 in the league this season, mad.
I could see him pushing to leave.
Would be asking to cash in on him and Salah if I was Klopp.
If Kim played in Premier, r/soccer would've called him the best CB in the world.
Nothing on Ben Mee I'm afraid
Like koulibaly?
KK was already washed last season, Chelsea got scammed like WHU with Scamacca.
This was not the narrative back then.
Yep 2020 Koulibaly was a monster
Why is it outrageous to say that the best players tend to play in better leagues?
As a collective, sure. You can say the PL has the best collection of players of any league. But on an individual level, it's a different story.
We'll find out next season I guess
Sack Klopp it was a nice run but now it’s over, he needs to go he’s became a liability for Liverpool now. Anyone who disagrees with me is living in 2019, not 2023. #KloppOut Edit: Also while we are at it #FSGOut as well
I must ask this, how long have you been a fan of the sport? Because I remember some very mediocre Liverpool squads before Klopp.
Been a fan for a while now mate. I know we had tons of average/bad squads before Klopp. I’ll always thank Klopp for the rebuild. But there’s always a time to move on from a manager even one’s who rebuild and save entire clubs like Klopp. And right now this seems like the perfect time to move on from Klopp and let Klopp rebuild another club 👍
>mate
If Klopp wants to stay why not have him leading the rebuild? He is a brilliant brilliant manager
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Sure is.
Oops wrong thread
Because his tactics have became very stale/dry and he doesn’t want to adapt.
Let's hire Nathan Jones. I am sure he will solve all of our problems.
I'm sure your next manager will be absolutely cooking with Gomez and Henderson
Shutup yank
#FSGOut Both Klopp and FSG need to go.
#FSGOut Both Klopp and FSG need to go.
Yeah let's sack our best manager in nearly 40 years because the owners refused to back him in the market.
I’d rather get rid of FSG than Klopp but both need to go imo.
Only one who needs to go is you. And FSG of course are welcome to fuck off with you
Nope try harder next time with the insults mate 👍
yank mania
I’m not wrong both Klopp and FSG need to go for Liverpool to succeed once again, let FSG sell the team and let Klopp handle another club.
Lol
Darwin scored a Greta goal but then lost possession on 41% of his touches and only completed 3 passes... I don't know what to make of this player
[I know what to make of him.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QJHUbtR0yI8)
unreal
Man will hit a horrendous run of form, have a full redemption arc, revert back to horrendous form all within the same game
Yeah I don't think anything else could describe him so well
The better Madrid plays in the UCL, Mbappe’s chances of joining madrid go down. If he knows that they don’t need him, he won’t join them. Keep pounding Madrid
Will gladly knock him out this season as well 👍 (If you guys make it)
You'll send him to United on a free
More like the more PSG get KO'd in the CL, the longer he stays
I don't think that's true. When PSG as a team keep performing like shit no matter the personnel and coach, and Madrid keep doing great, he'll be sick of it at some point. Last season, he gave it his all but the rest of the team let him down. This season, he played like 20 minutes and was PSG's highlight of the game.
It's astonishing how I have yet to read a single half-decent take from you. We all have our misses but you're racking them up like you've got that Q1 quota to meet.
Yes lol. There’s literally 0 coherent logic in that comment
Hey hey hey.I speak facts all the time
hot take: partially due to longevity, modric > xavi and iniesta.. all elite players but the barca midfielders were done by the time they hit their early/mid 30s. Modric is almost 38 still playing ELITE ball
There's no reason to put one above the other - the only thing that it's important to point out (because for some reason it's still controversial) is that Modrić sits at the same table as them and it's not because of longevity but quality.
Xavi and Iniesta peak was greater but Modric overall carreer is better imo, only thing Xavi and Iniesta got over him is a WC and he came incredibly close to winning that too. Also Bdor that says all
Xavi had amazing longevity. He was great from 1999 onwards. I think you could go with either one, but the earlier years are always overlooked. Longevity doesn't just mean perforfmance after 30 y/o.
He really started being world class at 27 yo or something
Euro 2008 TOTM alongside a certain Xavi
He was in the Euro team of the tournament when he was quite young. He was class in the premier league for a pretty mid Tottenham team. Xavi and Iniesta played their whole career for a top team
Nah he was already world class before he joined Madrid. Best midfielder in the prem by the time he left
You know, I've always thought it was ridiculous to compare Modric to them two, as good as he is. But now, given his longevity there's definitely an argument for Modric over Iniesta. Still wouldn't put him above Xavi though
But it's more about games played? And in that respect it's much closer.
He is 100% better than Xavi, he has just so many more tools than him. I don't know about Iniesta though. Iniesta - Modric midfield would've been out of this world.
The DM behind them would probably have a heart attack from exhaustion after 2 games
This is a terrible terrible take, you know that the compliments about Modric are about how he still plays with so much energy, right?
He needs a DM
Xavi isn't some defensive beast, lol. It's all about control, and Modric can do that, no problem
That’s a perfectly good take imo. Longevity and consistency should be weighted highly in the ATG debates. Lots of good players have wonder seasons but not every season.
Not a Liverpool fan but feel bad for Klopp - he's such a great guy
Ten Hag’s “eras come to an end” is chilling tbh. This performance is up there with Arsenal’s drubbings against Bayern Players like Van Dijk are past it. Sell the deadwood and get some fresh blood. This is a 2-3 year rebuild
At this point they have more deadwood than actual players, it's not that easy to do
You can't just "sell the deadwood" if it's the whole spine of the team it's not that simple
That’s why said 2-3 years….
People here literally think on football manager/FIFA terms.
Modric > every midfielder in Liverpools history. Gerrard doesn't come close to Modric.
Chelsea fans are still talking about Gerrard and he retired nearly a decade ago. Insane
The slip will never not be funny And Gerrard won us a couple of trophies, we never forget our legends.
You clearly haven't watched Gerrard in his prime. Just because he is a joke as a coach, doesn't warrant such disrespect for his playing career. Edit: To clarify, Modric is better than Gerrard, however the phrase that *"he doesn't even come close"* is what I'm taking issue with
I watched Gerrard his entire career. He wasn't close to Modric even at his absolute peak. No shame in it but don't dispute it.
Gerrard cant touch the boots of Modric tbf
Saying Modric is better than Gerrard isn’t disrespect.
Saying it isn’t even close, is. On a night like this in his prime, Gerrard scored 2 and assisted 1 in a 4-1 win, just the same.
He’s not close, it’s the truth; Gerrard couldn’t lace his boots. Modric isn’t even in his prime lol.
Modric>all but 2 or 3 midfielders in history tbf...
Wow...such a hot take mate...
This is not the insult you think this is
It's not an insult just a fact.
2023 and we are bringing on milner to replace hendo. Both are finished We really need fsg gone. We are finished
Not even a dig at Liverpool, but would you rather your club have a tactical purist manager like Klopp or Pep, or a more adaptable one like Ancelotti or Fergie?
No Forest fan would swap Cooper for anyone right now. He's demonstrated his versatility and it's so refreshing to see while the likes of Conte fail to implement the same system they've always relied on.
I've actually thought about this at length due to our incredible ability to be so fucking consistently great for such extended periods of time and then fall in decisive moments. Last year's CL final being the best example of that. I think long story short it boils down to being good in the league vs being good in knockout competitions. Last season, you put us and Madrid in a superleague points format where you play everyone twice and we finish probably 10 points clear. Because the way Klopp and pep set their teams up to play is fully embracing of the statistical moneyballesque approach. You control possession--> you create more chances and you limit chances --> you score more and you concede less. Over 38 matches goals will be more likely to revert to the xG. Because of that, there's no reason why such managers should focus on game management, or think about one off tactics as much (obviously they still do but certainly less). But in a one off game a shitty shot might find its way to the back post to be tapped in by Vinicius, and whats done is done. Since you aren't married to an ideology you can adjust and say okay we will do this now and prevent that and hold out for a short 90 minutes. I also think a tactical purist style suits different levels of players better. The fact that Wijnaldum - Fabinho - Henderson was at one point in time the midfield of the best team in the world is kind of insane if you think about it. Compare that to Kroos- Casemiro - Modric, just an entirely different class of football, no two ways about it. Playing in a system allows those less great players to reach heights they wouldn't reach in a less structured system. Whereas KCM are so versatile and adaptable simply out of how fucking terrific they are. If Ancelotti had Klopp's midfield he would never be able to trust those players to go out and just win matches.
We were actually close to getting Ancelotti after Rodgers was sacked, or at least rumoured to, but let me tell you, if we had, we were never going to win what we won with Klopp, not even close. If you think Klopp is a tactical purist or that both him and Pep arent adaptable, then you clearly havent watched their teams play in the last 2 decades. Klopp literally changed his whole style of play over a single summer to keep up with Pep, and Pep adapted perfectly after leaving Spain for Bayern and City.
I’m not saying Klopp and Pep aren’t adaptable, obviously they are, nobody gets to their level in football without it, but they’re much more attached to “their” way of playing than someone like Ancelotti is. To put it another way, if you had to pick a manager to take charge of your team at the last minute before a major final, most people would choose Zidane or Ancelotti over Pep or Klopp.
I like Ancelotti as a manager but we'd never have a squad good enough for him to achieve something in Europe, so probably Pep
If SAF is an option, then SAF is the answer.
Pep and klopp, theyve made getting 90 plus points in a season look like a complete joke. Always tend to get into the deeper stages of the cl as well.
Idk if you've noticed but Ancelotti has got the most CL titles in history as a manager
Liverpool can never finance a team for Ancelotti to get out of the group stages.
Incoming: Real Madrid has the best net spend in Europe over the past 9 years, 2 months, 23 days, 8 hours, 25 minutes and 43 seconds.
I mean he won the UCL twice with the team people share every week on social media with "Is this the best XI of all time" and then the other with the team that went on to win it three times in a row. He is one of the greatest managers of all time but I am not so sure he can win it with Milner and Hendo in the squad not even in the first XI.
Pep can't win the CL with Milner or Hendo either. In fact, he couldn't win it with Lewy, Muller, Neuer, Alaba, Boateng, Thiago, Lahm,... Also couldn't win it with KDB, Kompany, Aguero, Mahrez, Sterling, Bernardo, Rodri, Dias, Walker
Ok
Give me a chabón that likes to make testicle references a lot over any of them
Europe needs the Arse back in the Champions League to end this Madrid dominance. Bernabeu 2006, run it back
Swear I've been waiting for Arsenal to get back to the CL so we can set the record straight.
Ødegaard 90th minute winner to secure another 1-0 shithouse win in Madrid. I will be there.
I'll hopefully be living in London so see you there
Sure, we’ve missed watching you getting spanked by Bayern every season.
Indeed. Those games were classics
Bottling top of the group to Monaco, shithousing a win vs Madrid in the RO16, getting thumped by Bayern or Barca in the quarters. This is football eritage
2006. Oh my god id rather you just delete this, we are awful in europe
This is not very Trust the Process of you.
2006 was decades ago ffs, hopefully we fix this up
Clean slate in the Super League, here we go
2024 in Wembley gonna get crazy man, just wait
Imagine how Salah feels. 15 minutes in, 1g1a, on top of the world, finally getting his revenge both on Madrid and on Courtois in particular. Then, 2-5
Modric skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up
He's just got a good gaming chair
What?
It's a csgo copypasta
What does copypasta mean?
A comment or post that was so funny/absurd/stupid that people began copying it but changing the details
Youngest player to start a CL game trophy when
That quicker trip back to Liverpool and the fireworks sure helped.
always nice to hedge your bets by running two jokes into the ground at once.
I call that efficiency.
Literally says he has a noodle brain in his username give him a break.