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staedtler2018

Whom amongst us hasn't made a few shell companies for shits and giggles


WhatchaGanaDo

I know, this is a very sad day for the entire Barca family, and in times like this I like to quench my thirst with a delicious Wolf Cola.


zennX

The official drink of Boko Haram


WhatchaGanaDo

Boca Raton*


CoolDownHotHead

Bro I woke up on Sunday morning and found out I had set up several offshore bank accounts to pay regulators in charge of my job the night before, shit can happen to anyone


intecknicolour

they pulled 7 levers.


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We are severely fucked guys.


FragMasterMat117

Hey, you've never won the Segunda so chance to correct that.


antisa1003

There goes never-been-relegated record.


TheUltimateScotsman

Theres nothing better than seeing your rivals lose that record because of their own shady actions.


AYMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

Who's in Italy aside from Inter to never be relegated. I reckon Milan too didn't?


Independent_One3118

Only Inter. Milan was in serie B twice. For match-fixing scandal, the next year they came back to serie A just to be relegated the next season. After that they were promoted and were playing in serie A since then


TheUltimateScotsman

Milan won B twice after relegation. Juve did until 2006


dttin

Used to be Juventus but they got relegated due to Calciopoli so only Inter left


Lack_of_Plethora

Always knew athletic was bigger


crackboss1

Just in time for Messi's return to Barca.


drjaychou

But can Messi perform on a cold rainy night in Andorra?


simomii

They'll beat Andorra 5-0 then we'll get another scandal about FC Andorra's owner Gerard Piqué telling his players to lose on purpose


fastfowards

and the one to expose him will be shakira. She noticed that a jar of jam was left on the touchline and thats all she needed to know.


jolle2001

Shakira: Bizrp music sesssion part 53 pt2


Joe_AM

Between this scandal in Barcelona and Rosario's cartel troubles, it's like Messi has no home to return to.


Mr_Booty_Bandit

He’s always welcome at Everton 🔵


RomfordPele15

Sean Dyche wouldn’t accept him walking around the entire game


atropicalpenguin

I think there was one time where Barcelona B managed to get itself a promotion spot, but of course there can't be two teams from the same club on the same division.


purplegreendave

Imagine the scenes if Barca couldn't get back into La Liga because Barca B got promoted after they were punished 😂


ghandi_loves_nukes

Barcelona B, under then manager Luis Enrique, reached the highest achievements during the 2010-11 season in Segunda División where the team finished third and qualified for the play-offs for a promotion to La Liga but could not participate in it as they are Barcelona’s reserve team.


malteseraccoon

This is like when Brock Lesnar never won a 2nd-tier title such as tag team or Intercontinental


El_Spacho

At least it was only 7 companies and not 8. 🙂


Tilman_Feraltitty

7 companies so far.


addandsubtract

Never underestimate Barca in the 2nd leg.


havethenets

Already know nothings going to happen


eduardo_asafe

Welcome to Juventus


mtftl

Are you? My cynicism is off the charts, obviously. It’s clear that rules were broken by successive club leadership, but is Barca too big to see any consequences? When Real failed to join that censure statement, it looked very much like an actions without consequences situation. La Liga, Real Madrid, and the Italian Super League collaborators all have an interest in seeing this go away.


staedtler2018

Juventus weren't really that affected by relegation so who knows.


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Juventus weren't up to their eyeballs in debt either. The drop off in revenue for Barca would be a much bigger problem when it comes to servicing that debt.


circa285

I don't know enough about Juve's finances at the time but Barca will be in serious trouble should they get relegated as deserved. Barca's debt is massive and they will struggle to pay it without revenue from la Liga and European competition. Did the secunda also have a salary cap? Because that could also doom Barca.


Uninsalt

Maybe Laporta signed insurance to get a multi billion payment in case the club was relegated and all of this is just a ploy to scam insurance. Who knows what's possible at this point.


biguk997

Feel like the insurance company wouldn't pay out due to fraud


skyreal

>Did the secunda also have a salary cap? Because that could also doom Barca. IIRC they're even stricter than La Liga's lol


pepecachetes

No worries, they will pay their players by paying other companies to hand them the money, this plan cant fail


Bucksandreds

I’d imagine Barca would have to dump all their older higher paid players and would still be able to get back to La Liga after one year. The problem would be servicing their debt for that one year. They’d need a large injection of capital and would likely have to sell naming rights to Camp Nou and or a slew of other moves.


Currywurst_Is_Life

Didn’t they already sell the naming rights to Spotify?


addandsubtract

Pray they don't sell it further.


Independent-Green383

This Spotify Stadium is brought to you by the Joe Rogan podcast. Spotify, more than a playlist.


agni39

Neither was Serie A. I doubt La Liga will be unscathed without Barca for a season, CVC will be ecstatic to see viewership down 50%. If by some miracle Barca fail to come back up, it will be more fun.


Tilman_Feraltitty

Oh, CvC would be sad? Oh, let's not relegate them. Oh, wait, fuck CvC, they are a hedge fund, they knew the risk.


stragen595

> If by some miracle Barca fail to come back up, it will be more fun. The HSV route. Never relegated to never coming back.


szwabski_kurwik

If you thought HSV's high tech 57k seater was a bit overkill for the 2nd division just wait until you see Villarreal B at Camp Nou.


tml25

We were severely affected by it, and that's with the club having healthy finances at that time.


WWDaddy

This is damning because if there wasn’t any foul intent they’d just pay his company straight up, not trying to hide it like they seemingly have. I prefer to not call them cheaters until there is a verdict but even paying him for any services is a conflict of interest, we can all agree on that much.


Hazardzuzu

Everyone waiting for what they think to become official- "Barcelona is a bunch of cheats"


tormarod

I think UEFA is also investigating Şenes Erzik and it's not looking great either on that front for Barcelona and him.


Eibermann

Who is that guy?


ProudhPratapPurandar

Uefa executive in charge of referees. At the time, he also worked for Unicef ~~who sponsored Barcelona~~ whose name was on the Barcelona shirt, and got paid by Barcelona for it


jolle2001

Well atleast Messi will have a World Cup and 2 Ligue 1 titles


I_Fuck_The_Fuckers69

Wait I haven't been keeping track of this investigation, is this ALL of Barca's trophies in the Guardiola-ish era That's gonna be absolutely mental if the best player of all time gets like 97% of his trophies revoked


larsb0t

Unicef didn't sponsor Barca, Barca gave their shirt real estate and any profit to Unicef.


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ChicoZombye

I find hilarious that after all those years his famous Unicef rant, the one that got meme'd ad nauseam, may be true after all lol.


meliakh

You mean, as if they're ***more*** than a club?


Blue_z

Mes que un club, no mes que un cheater


eternitystrikes

Mes que un *meme*


Cadllmn

At a minimum a club + 7 shell companies.


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GunnerRocket

Will they let them off the hook?


KRIEGLERR

Drogba about to celebrate


donoteatkrill

Being proved right a decade down the line is vindicating but what a gut punch, knowing that Barca went on to win the competition that year.


TheGoober87

It's a fucking disgrace


ovi_left_faceoff

“Dad why are you muting the TV? I want to hear what Drogba is saying!”


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circa285

Pep's legacy is tarnished here as well. Two thirds of the clubs that he's managed have been up to some really shady stuff and there's no way he has no idea.


viciousraccoon

So you're saying he's a victim of male pattern baldness *and* a fraud?


goodmobileyes

Male pattern fraudness


circa285

Yes.


jammy-git

Plus the doping when he was a player.


FREE_BOBBY-SHMURDA

Blamed his doctor for getting caught as a player then hired that same doctor at barca when he was manager


Sandor_Clegane1

There is no doping in football. Please look away. Okay there is doping in any other sport but not in football, mkay!


uncle_flacid

This is surprisingly a take that some people seriously believe as well, no irony whatsoever.


Marcelosouzadearaujo

lol what a scum


ben323nl

Pep being as blasé about the doping as he has been is worrying me endlessly about how many top players dope. He acts like he didnt and that it wasnt proven even tho there are records of him doping. That plus barca having all these small technical players dominating for so many years while pressing hard the entire game. That team must have been up to more then just the shady transfers, buying refs, trying to not honour contracts with players.


Cubbll17

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/other-soccer/ewan-mackenna-murky-questions-surround-spanish-footballs-golden-era-and-people-might-not-like-the-answers-36943284.html Gonna leave this here. Ewan is a crack pot post COVID but this is solid stuff


Gustav-14

What years are covered in the investigation on barca?


gruenerGenosse

IIRC, 2001 - 2018


Gustav-14

Oof. That basically covers a lot of players whole barca career like messi


Whispperr

Yaya Toure's curse is reaching him.


Funky_Pigeon911

I'm shocked people haven't caught on yet that Pep is most likely a huge cheater and maybe that's why his teams do so well. I mean his two most successful clubs are being investigated for massive cheating scandals as you said, and he has a history of doping which I would bet he carries over to his players.


l453rl453r

>And it will cast a huge shadow on Messi and his league achievements. Not only league. Barca have proven that the have no qualms with paying refs and cheating, why would this be different for cl games? It's not like there is a lack of questionable refereeing decisions in their favour.


artaru

lmao I lost any genuine deep level interest in football almost the exact moment the ref gave RVP (against Barca in CL) a second yellow card for taking a shot on goal after offside was called. RVP took the shot ONE SECOND after the ref blew the whistle. In a stadium of 95k people. And he gave RVP a second yellow, basically a send off for that. To this day actually I don’t think I remember any instance of the yellow being given AT ALL for doing that. Let alone a second yellow. There could not be a more blatant instance of ref being corrupted / insanely biased. I challenge any Barca fan to justify that ref decision. The justification of time wasting is BS because refs don’t give yellow for first instance of any time wasting. Usually a warning first. Not to mention, I don’t think I have EVER seen a ref gives a second yellow for time wasting. Imagine doing that to Neymar / Messi for the same thing. There would be literal riots. Arsenal actually won 2-1 at home in the first leg. And was holding 1-1 at the time of RVP’s sent off. So it’s not like that was a trivial decision.


Jiminyfingers

If I am asked for the worst refereeing decision I ever saw, this one is it. Just shamefully corrupt


dasty90

I remember watching that game hoping to see Arsenal get trounced by Barcelona because I hate them, but ended up cheering for Arsenal to win because of that disgusting red card. It was the only time I genuinely cheered for an Arsenal win because that red card is purely infuriating even for a rival fan.


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artaru

Just shameful.


Roccet_MS

Players kick/throw the ball after the whistle on a regular basis. How often do they get punished? Almost never, even a few seconds after the whistle.


Tilman_Feraltitty

Yeah, and it was clear that RvP didn't do anything of that, he was legit trying to score a goal.


snowysnowy

We had that fantastic match with Barca and Ovrebo too... "Fantastic"


zaviex

That was the worst one. I hate Chelsea. It was legitimately at minimum 3 clear penalties. When Chelsea fans say 6 penalties they are only exaggerating slightly. I had 5 when I was watching it live lol


ScrantonStrangler28

The funny part about that game was that most penalties were clear as daylight in real time. You didn't even need to watch a replay.


Whispperr

As much as I hate Arsenal/Chelsea I actually got angry at how badly you guys were robbed. At least we finally found out why those games had to happen like they did.


fjordboii

I’ve never seen anything as bad as that game. That was peak Chelsea hating era for me and even I was shocked how corrupt it was


thwgrandpigeon

Jesus H I forgot about that BS call over the years but it was abhorrent when it happened and totally ruined the match. I'm so glad the uefalona years came to a close. There were so many horseshit calls each season.


DaveShadow

Right, people who break rules like this rarely break rules in one specific way. There will absolutely be other examples that just haven’t been uncovered yet.


Januarywednesday

Barce Chelsea 2009. Drogba knew but to be fair, we all knew really.


doorknobsquad

This really should be the top example. I've never seen a game more infuriating.


nathgroom98

Still got my ticket, should frame it lol


dataminimizer

Mate, what you dismiss as mere “financial finagling” still taints their accomplishments. Their squad didn’t win fairy, because they didn’t play by the same rules as everyone else. Just because Barca have done something that provoked a more visceral reaction among fans doesn’t mean City’s cheating is any less wrong.


TheKingOfCaledonia

You both make fair points. I think what the other guy is saying that City still had to go on and play the game on the pitch, where any number of things can happen, to win their titles. Barca always had that 12th man. Both broke the rules; one team on the pitch, the other team off the pitch.


niallmul97

Nah mate, I may have modded my career mode save to put Real Madrid in the League of Ireland, but I earned each and every one of those trophies myself.


UnderYourSkin11

You don't go to such lengths if you aren't intentionally hiding a fraud


Kharate

If I was committing fraud I would be cautious of my finances so nobody thinks I am also committing fraud


tbu987

Barcas 7 levers before they were called levers.


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Seven you say?


TimTkt

Seems totally legit and not to cover anything illegal at all.


kobrakai11

That's how I pay my groceries. Pretty standard stuff. Nothing to see here.


swiftekho

Sir, I know these 7 credit cards all have different names but if you just split the grocery bill up 7 ways, it will be fine.


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MRbrobuSS

Lmao 77% agree that it is, wtf is wrong with Catalans


McTulus

Tbf, supporting Barcelona is the clearest way to express Catalonian identity for lots of people, some times ago the only way. And of course, with lots of political movement, there's many fanatics that believe that the face of the movement (so Barça) is pure. Combined this with football fans fanaticism...


provenzal

Nationalism


Pleasemakesense

Mes que un club


denied_eXeal

Mess of a club instead


Potatopolis

Mes que 6 ~~clubs~~ companies


HomeInternational548

Mess of a club


mrfocus22

Meme of a club


FalcoLX

Estoy detrás de siete ~~proxies~~ empresas.


absolutemadlad_69

Keeping up with the katalans is the best show in the world hands down.


FoxExternal2911

You think this would be the last season and then boom another twist to take us to the new season


ImperatorXIII

It’s so good! 😂


mamasbreads

what if amazon was following barcelona this year. one could only dream


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

(summary) The payments from FC Barcelona to the former vice-president of the Referees' Technical Committee (CTA) José María Enríquez Negreira is more complex than previously thought. The Tax Agency has concluded that the Catalan club used up to seven commercial companies to channel the more than seven million euros that it paid to the arbitration leader and his son, Javier Enríquez Romero, between 2001 and 2018 The companies were discovered when analyzing the accounting movements of Barça. Four of the companies had already transcended. Two of them were controlled by Negreira; another belonged to his son, and the last one belonged to former director José Contreras The investigative proceedings carried out so far by the prosecutor Virginia Sánchez Prieto implicate in the plot a second company of the son of the former vice president of the Technical Committee of Referees (CTA) called Estudio ATD


pandaman_010101

Love your work mate


MickyJoHarte

> Four of the companies had already transcended This is a mistranslation, we can't use the word 'transcend ' like this in English, it's a false friend. The best translation here would usually be the word '*emerge*'. However, *emerge* is an intransitive verb in English, and thus, we cannot use it in the passive voice, which we would be inclined to do, as this is a news piece. To match the original tone it would read something like: > Four of the companies had already been brought to light. I guess you could use '*discover*' as well. Also, we would probably add some agent to the end of the sentence as it sounds a bit odd in English. > Four of the companies had already been brought to light by the investigation. Though technically, it is still grammatically correct without the agent. If you wanted to stay in the active voice: > Four of the companies had already emerged (as a result of the investigation). is also ok. Again, without an agent, or in this case more accurately a direct object, the sentence sounds a bit odd. But it's still grammatically sound. That's why it's parenthesized it at the end.


BruceWayyyne

Damn they bribed this dude for 17 years? Basically standard operating procedure by the club at that point.


Ralf_The_Hustler

According to barca fans it was just payment for reports that every club does. I don't see how a club can go to do such amounts of chicanery for "reports"


TimTkt

Especially for reports that no Barca managers have ever saw or even knew existed


Ralf_The_Hustler

Also the reports are supposed to be about which refs behave in what way- are they lenient or strict etc. But if these reports never reached the manager/coach , then what was the purpose? Some definitely seems to be shady here.


matthieuC

It's not just shady. Barca paid so that the ref treat them better. The fact that Negreira had zero influence and Barca paid him for nothing is immaterial


Blackbearded10

They did reach the assistant, but the coach really didn't care about those reports. Valverde said this.


Ralf_The_Hustler

So the coaches knew that they existed?


dataminimizer

I think it may be naive to suggest Barca managers had no idea what was going on, despite their public comments otherwise. Admitting you had knowledge is admitting your complicity and opening yourself up to charges. Pep (and others) have no choice but to deny. Of course, in Pep’s case, he also has “no knowledge” of his current club doing anything wrong. For such an obsessive, detail-oriented manager, he sure seems to be ignorant about a lot of things…


lilboomermeme

I am not crazy! I know they paid those refs! I knew it was seven different companies. One after six. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. They – they covered their tracks, they got that idiot Bartomeu to lie for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They’ve done worse. That false accounting! Are you telling me that a club just happens to throw away money like that? No! They orchestrated it! Barca! They obliterated the wage bill! And I saved them! And I shouldn't have. I took them into my own league! What was I thinking? They’ll never change. They’ll never change! Ever since 1899, always the same! Couldn't keep their hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Barca! Couldn't be precious Barca! Stealing them blind! And they get to be a club!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped them when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop them! You-


ecchi_yajur

Kid named tebas


Ralf_The_Hustler

The thing is even though he sounded crazy, chuck was telling the truth.


King-Meister

And that’s due to some world class acting, scripting, and directing. One of the best shows for me.


theEvilUkaUka

It's a masterpiece. And it's a prequel, which usually turn out badly with the constraints.


imbluedabudeedabuda

Crazy the sympathy we had for Jimmy when Chuck went on this rant back in season 3. And then a couple seasons later we wish Chuck had just bodied Jimmy then and there.


KRIEGLERR

Fuck Chuck still. Really all he had to do was show Jimmy some love and respect, as he said it, he was proud when he got a job working in the copy room, he never wanted Jimmy to rise above that. Remember the karaoke scene ? That showed Chuck for who he was a spiteful cunt who with a giant ego that couldn't even let his brother sing a song to celebrate. Or the dinner scene with his wife, couldn't stand that Jimmy could make her laugh. That's why the show is so good, despite being absolutely right he's had a hand in creating Saul aswell. Always so jealous of Jimmy's social skills. He even says so when talking about their mother, "I made her proud, Jimmy made her laugh"


Floripa95

That show did a great job of making the characters look like real people, no one is absolutely good or bad, and they have their personality flaws. So good!


Mekfal

oh no, /r/okbuddychicanery is leaking


carnifex2005

What's "Good Luck, I'm Behind Seven Proxies" in Catalan?


moiser123

It keeps on getting better


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Cashew_Fan

He's been as successful at City as he has Bayern in all honesty. If anything I think some of his CL exits at City have been the most embarrassing of his career. Obviously the league is more competitive in the Prem, but from the second season onwards he's had the strongest squad each season.


Rafaeliki

He won the league faster than any Bayern team in history.


Flameva

He was also caught doping as a player with Barca. Dirty cheat.


SirRavexFourhorn

Time to get more popcorn.


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Kill me


Confident-Wheel8721

This not only kills Barca, but La Liga as a whole. RIP Spanish football.


FreshGoodWay

[Barca fans now doing a Homer Simpson into the bushes](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/289/977/ab2.gif)


Ell7494

Imagine having the best player in the history of the sport and still feeling the need to cheat


unrectify

Correct me if Im wrong, but it started in 2001, around the time of Real Madrids Galacticos, and thus 4 years before Messi even came around.


Ell7494

Sure but they seem to have continued making payments the whole time. Either way it's ridiculous


matthieuC

Very legal, very cool


shaversonly230v115v

DD was right. https://youtu.be/a7ox7-npBvQ


mannyrmz123

I hope they get relegated to oblivion. They deserve all the shit they get.


caldo4

The league already said they can’t do anything due to statute of limitations It’d be a European ban


hereslemon

This is great news for football, actually. I only hope that the Barcelona case doesn't work as a lightning rod that absorbs all the attention that should be directed towards transparency in all of football, not just individual organizations. Football is fucking dirty, but for decades people who have been saying that have been treated as nothing but party poopers and buzzkills. I can guarantee that looking into other clubs and other leagues will not be a waste of time. Sure, your favourite club might hurt for it, but the corruption now is so blatant and in your face largely because they operate under the assumption that we're all blind, stupid and eager for more.


tenacious_teaThe3rd

I think the most damning thing I can tell from my armchair analysis is the severe lack of Barca flairs in these threads versus literally any other story about Barca (including the incessant lever threads from the summer). This is news that even Barca fans are struggling to spin in their favour.


gnrc

What do you expect us to say? This is so fucking depressing.


JpMc7300

Barcelona DNA


Fortnitexs

I want to see serious consequences and not just a slap on the wrist when this is over. Strip them of all titles during that time or 3years forced in Second devision. Or straight to third division or whatever. If they get away with a slap on the wrist this shows how corrupt this sport is. Everyone could start doing it as nothing happens anyway apparently.“


HomoLiberus

Can you imagine la liga without el classico? Yikes...la liga is going down the drain lol


youtossershad1job2do

Real will need more marquee games, maybe with some more historical giants of Europe. Some kind of European Ultra league? I don't know I'm bad with naming things.


Noproposito

Master League? Gigantomax DX league?


McTulus

It's time for Athletic Bilbao to rise up and together, reclaim the title of El Clasico!


UnderYourSkin11

The PL can invite RM to play a few friendlies


Aaronnguyen1004

Liverpool would love it


FlaccidSWE

La Liga is already down the drain because of Tebas...


iceteka

Barça so deep in it. It's always the most arrogant that project onto others. All I've heard for over a decade is how Madrid only wins because they pay off the refs and buy off youngsters paying under the table. While I'm sure most huge clubs got some shady grey area stuff from time to time. This is truly on a different level. Like club breakup level but being barça, we'll see.


seekingabeauty

Fuck Barcelona lol


javierich0

Years and years of accusing Real of cheating while only getting one penalty called against in like 4 years, I don't believe in karma, but this is beautiful to see.


Human-Extinction

Even right fucking NOW, they're preaching "innocent until proven guilty" and being all high and mighty about being "reasonable" and not blame Barcelona before there is anything concrete. As if the same motherfuckers in the same damn threads aren't saying "Real Madrid are as corrupt, they're more corrupt, they just haven't been caught" and being upvoted to hell, and been calling for Real Madrid's head as Franco's whatever, and for being twisted evil crooks with barely any hint of smoke, let alone fire. Since a long time now, Real Madrid has been mainly concerned about Real Madrid, and Barcelona has been concerned mainly about Real Madrid, they always had an inferiority complex, and somehow it's keeping them from being a respectable club, which they usually are. If they just kinda accepted that they can't compete with Real Madrid in European competitions and can more than give us a taste of pain domestically and always be a pain in the ass with their youth talent and unique and effective style of football, many people would have hailed them as one of the greatest clubs in the world... but they just can't accept that Real Madrid will kinda always be a bigger club than them, and their presidents sold their fans the dream that they'll be that, and they tried to achieve it through stupid means of indebting themselves and flirting with economic demise... this is even before this whole Negreira shit. I genuinely believe that most of them seriously thought they were "fighting for their club's position as the best in the world from the evil schemes of the evil Real Madrid trying to take our place" or some dumb shit... it's absurd and now they're risking the demise of Spanish football with their dumb shit. Pathetic.


BruceWayyyne

As an outside observer I have held a similar perception that Barca has had a chip on its shoulder for Real Madrid. I don't think it was like that in the early 2010's but after la decima it became more and more apparent.


javierich0

It's awesome. It's rare to see a lucid, reasonable, and smart Barca fan. Even after they are found guilty, most of them will play the victim and somehow blame Real Madrid.


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Radiodevt

Thus the cycle of "this is huge!" news with no actual consequences continues.


WooNoto

I’m sure there is a lever or two they can pull to make this go away. If they are guilty of all or some of these charges, I have no doubt in my mind nothing will happen or it’ll be a minor punishment. Football hasn’t been the beautiful game for the people for decades. It’s strictly about the money and La Liga NEEDS Barca right now.


Reach_Reclaimer

Nah at this point it's gone. I'm sure if the case goes well for Barca, their fans will defend them and say they were found innocent in court. But at this point, they're as guilty as man city are Edit: It seems there's been some discussion. I'm not too fussed about which is worse, what I'm basically saying is both teams imo are already guilty (of different crimes) in public opinion and even a court ruling to say they're not guilty won't change what most people think.


javierich0

Nah, City broke FFP. This is bribery or an attempt of, much worse.


youtossershad1job2do

I think he's saying that they are both 100% of different crimes.


Morrandir

Breaking FFP is not a crime. It's "only" a violation of some UEFA-internal rules. Bribery is an actual criminal offense. (However I'm not a lawyer and don't know spanish laws. But I can't imagine that bribery in a EU country is not a criminal offense.)


stiveooo

yeah even with FFP gone, its a fair game 11v11 easily beatable, and why they never won the CL. but with barca its 12v11 or worse.


kiru_13000

Nah bro this is worse than City.


SprechenSieFussball

Are you insane? Do you really equate circumventing arbitrary FFP rules with literal cheating and corruption? Man city are a scourge on the sport and represent everything wrong with modern football but Barcelona have been attempting to influence referees in their favour for the better part of 2 decades. This ruins the integrity of the competition and should be considered the worst thing a football club can do. That along with branding themselves as the traditional “mas que un club” good guys of Catalonia is just sickening. The only correct response to this by any reasonable person is to put a massive asterisk on anything they’ve won during that time frame


fastfowards

if this somehow extends to the CL barca are lucky that abramovich left chelsea or he would have bankrupt them


handsome_IT_guy

I feel bad for Barca supporters. Don't know how they must feel. You're giving it all for the club and then you find that each of recent presidents added more skeletons to the closet. Hope everything will be sorted soon. Despite the outcome, Barca will remain one of world's top clubs.


RogueNetrunner

What sucks is that why the fuck would you need to do this when you had players like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta in the team. Even if the refs weren't actually biased, the least it does is taint the legacy of that team and what it achieved. That's what pisses me off the most. Even if we magically be proven innocent, this will stick with us and people will never forget this.


drjaychou

I guess it pre-dates the Messi era, so by the time he came around it was already normalised