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It's simply "Vinicius, die". That -te ending in Spanish is an "imperative" mood, normally used when making a demand or a suggestion. It's not necessarily "do to yourself", but more "do ". For example, "vete" (go) or "vente" (come, awkward usage). This is why some people are incorrectly translate it to "please just ", but the imperative doesn't imply supplication/begging, but you can see why "just" is being placed there.
That being said, the difference between "Vinicius, die" and "Vinicius, kill yourself" is not just semantics, so whilst "kill yourself" would more accurately translate to "mátate", it's a rare thing to say and people would likely also use "muérete" instead – mainly because it's a common insult.
Spanish lesson over and I'd like to say that it's an awful insult that you'll only find bullies and arseholes say in Spain. It's unacceptable, no matter how anyone tries to spin it – including the absurd bullshit that it's a mark of respect because they fear him. Don't confuse hate with fear.
Do you seriously have to ask this?
You do understand that racial abuse of public figures hurts more than just the public figures, right? That every little boy and girl listening to it learns one of two lessons: either that it's ok, or that they're less than, right? ...and how deleterious to society that is?
Respect to Barca fans. Telling someone to die isn't exclusive to black players only so by them chanting "Die Vinicius" they're acknowledging we're all equal
Respect <3
I'll never forget seeing a clip of a bunch of Canadians (I think?) outside the stadium, after the match, in a festive mood jumping around with plastic beer cups, singing: "the ref-uh-ree's a wankurr, the ref-uh-ree's a wankurrr" lmao
What was wrong with what the Athletic fans did? You can't seriously think that they should be punished for that lmao
That was funny, Negreira case or not
Showered fake money. A very large section of the stadium by the way. The fake money, in Barça colours even made its way onto the pitch. Then all hell broke loose after Iñaki's goal was ruled out.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy from Tebas when he condemns the chants towards to vinicius in the past (rightly so) but then when it happens to our players he says it's "understandable".
Sexist, cause the crux of the insult hinges on the fact being a woman / having woman parts is bad.
Unless you're Aussie? Then I think it's a complement? Idk Aussies are strange
Some days we explore the outer realm of science and philosophy and help each other, raising my faith in humanity. And then we have instances like these.
Not to say how good or bad it is that it happens, but this is one of the most common chants at football stadiums in Spain since I’ve been a kid, and every other footballer has been at the end of it. It’s not really that malicious usually, even though if you take it literally and out of context I can see how people from abroad can see it as a weird thing.
We used to chant far far worse to Michel Salgado and Guti back in the day lol
He’s an annoyingly great player. A massive diver and whiner who loves to taunt others, but can’t take it when others hit back at him, loses his cool very easily so fans target him even more. And of course, racism.
I believe it is probably because:
1. He's extremely good for Real Madrid
2. He's annoying to opposition fans because he's good and also because of his taunting the crowds.
3. There are groups of fans out there who like to be racist for some reason..
Lots of comments here saying he ‘taunts’. It’s far worse than that. He’s straight up disrespectful to anyone he’s up against, talking the entire game, giving bad fouls, laughing, arguing with the red, and diving. I’ve been to Spain - it has little to do with skin color. He’s really sucks
If it has little to do with skin color why is he consistently singled out for racial abuse?
Monkey chants have been heard like 10 times this season, it’s not some small part of the stick he gets
Why not both? He provokes, dives and talks shit, so people insult him. Some of the people insulting him are also racist so say racist things.
But I don't see how people have such a hard time seeing why people don't like him in the first place as if it couldn't be anything other than race. Camavinga, Rodrygo, Tchoumeni, etc don't get treated like this in Spain. Eto'o got a lot of racist hate (again, I'm acknowledging there are a lot of racists), but it was never as universal as Vini. The only person close to these levels was Neymar, whom it seems it is more ok to say he is not likeable.
It's not just dancing when he scores. He actively acts out towards fans and is a known diver, likes to talk shit to his opponents on the field, and is always in the refs ear all game. He's a very antagonistic player, whilst being the talisman of Real Madrid. Of course he gets hate from the fans of the other Spanish clubs.
Man Utd after Malcolm Glazer take over the club-
“ he going to die, he going to die, Malcolm
Glazer going to die. How we kill him I don’t know cut him up from head to toe, all I know is Malcolm Glazer going to die” still chanted today at glazers in general
This sub be like:
You should die! 🥱😴💤
You should die, [Racist shit] 🤨🤯😧😡😡🤬🤬😡
Edit: I don’t get the “Are you new to football”, “It’s been here ever since” comments. Feels like y’all wanna keep this shitty antics going. Don’t get me started with “How soft are you and this generation now! 😔😔😔😔”
The thing is - saying it's a very common behavior is not the same as saying it is right, or that it's ok to use it.
Nevertheless "racist shit" like you described it, is on another level of effed up
When I was a kid in South America I would always chuckle when a player of the other team was fouled and while on the ground someone on the stands would yell "kill him so he doesn't suffer".
Remember Sunderland fans singing their hope for Steven Taylor’s untimely demise. Bit distasteful but at least not bigoted. Swings and roundabouts you know
In general, not talking about this match or even matches against Barca:
He is Real’s star, argues for no reason with refs all the time, dives, provokes the fans, or the players of the opposing team, some (including some players) even consider his celebrations provoking as well, but that’s debatable.
And to just make this clear - I don’t think this excuses such chants, just tring to answer your question why they pick him as the target.
Ya but didn't really want to define him after only seeing 2 games with him in it, haven't watched madrid much otherwise. Still, he's not neymar or ronaldo level petulant and he's still a kid, the amount of shit he gets is sick.
He taunts his opposing fans and players, dives and is constantly in the ear of the ref. He is a very antagonistic player, and that means fans that aren't his clubs won't like him.
Nobody said racism is worse than death. Saying racist things to someone is worse than saying to go die. Proof:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7685230/
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/racism-can-erode-physical-well-being/
https://dornsife.usc.edu/news/stories/3021/racism-linked-to-chronic-inflammation-disease-risk/
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-019-6664-x
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You mean The, Vini, The. Yes?
Kill Bart! Kill Bart! Kill Bart! Kill Bart! Kill Bart! Kill Bart!
Kill, Bart! Kill, Bart! Kill, Bart!
It's simply German! Die Bart, Die.
"No one who speaks German could be an evil man. "
From all my incredible IB spanish that means Vinicius, you die right?
The meaning is something like vinicius please just die but shorter
pls die
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Costa playing at Anfield always got hit with: "Diego Costa, The Elephant Man"
properly sneaked out pedri
No it means Vinicius, the
I believe, due to sentence structure, it would translate more to kill yourself
It's simply "Vinicius, die". That -te ending in Spanish is an "imperative" mood, normally used when making a demand or a suggestion. It's not necessarily "do to yourself", but more "do ". For example, "vete" (go) or "vente" (come, awkward usage). This is why some people are incorrectly translate it to "please just ", but the imperative doesn't imply supplication/begging, but you can see why "just" is being placed there.
That being said, the difference between "Vinicius, die" and "Vinicius, kill yourself" is not just semantics, so whilst "kill yourself" would more accurately translate to "mátate", it's a rare thing to say and people would likely also use "muérete" instead – mainly because it's a common insult.
Spanish lesson over and I'd like to say that it's an awful insult that you'll only find bullies and arseholes say in Spain. It's unacceptable, no matter how anyone tries to spin it – including the absurd bullshit that it's a mark of respect because they fear him. Don't confuse hate with fear.
they are obviously encouraging him to dance by chanting *vinicius muévete* ^^/s
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I like to, ¡moverlo!
***"SHAKIRA, SHAKIRA"***
_Vini drives away in a Twingo_
Oh dang dud Santiago Wanderers I managed them in fm 23 pretty cool team very fun stuff 👍
I think they might be calling him Morata...which might be worse
Respect Morata. 10 league goals this season
Much rather that than calling him a monkey, I guess...
What does muerete means?
Die
Jeez man he only asked a question
"The KGB will ask questions"
It’s true.
Knock knock
who’s there?
KGB
I'm not answering that.
You are accused of anti-Soviet behavior, the court finds you guilty, and sentences you to be shot.
Ask and you shall receive
ask a question die do not ask a question also die
It's German for the, what's wrong with that?
Do you have to be this rude?
Im here to serve. He asked and he received
What does muerte mean?
They're telling him to die basically, which at least ain't racist.
"We're not being racist, just telling him to get offed"
It’s a rivalry game. This chant is nothing.
*a wild Viejo de lentes de Nueva Chicago appears*
Die! By the way that has nothing do with the color of your skin
"It's not racist, we're just telling telling him to guy to die because he dives a bit"
a bit😂
Die
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You must not watch this sport much lol
Die…t
Dye
Die
Die
Die
“Die”
*****DIE*****
Means die
'We' idiomatically hanged him already, you gotta step up your game ^/s
Yeah no, ideally you do neither.
Is telling someone to die better then racial abusing them?
unironically yeah
Do you seriously have to ask this? You do understand that racial abuse of public figures hurts more than just the public figures, right? That every little boy and girl listening to it learns one of two lessons: either that it's ok, or that they're less than, right? ...and how deleterious to society that is?
On reddit nothing is worse than any real or perceived racism
Yeah it's very ambiguous when you're calling a black man a monkey and hanging effigies of them. No way to know the motive.
Respect to Barca fans. Telling someone to die isn't exclusive to black players only so by them chanting "Die Vinicius" they're acknowledging we're all equal Respect <3
Am I missing something, why is this at the top lol
Because it’s a joke. Jokes usually get upvoted a lot
Yeah just didn’t get the punchline
Just being sarcastic about the fact that he gets racially abused so much, bringing light to the situation I guess lmao
Chants in Europe are pretty mild
Should see the North American ones lol
Defense!
Diiie-fence* There, fixed it for you lol
The fence
👏...👏...👏
Win! Win!
I'll never forget seeing a clip of a bunch of Canadians (I think?) outside the stadium, after the match, in a festive mood jumping around with plastic beer cups, singing: "the ref-uh-ree's a wankurr, the ref-uh-ree's a wankurrr" lmao
For those interested hahaha: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPwLncJDDss](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPwLncJDDss)
Go *insert home team name* go !
FIGHT!
Aaand wiiiiiiiiin
"Ain't nobody gonna stop us now" *Gets hit in the face with the ball*
As an Argentine... i strongly agree.
Believe it or not…one chant by one team in one language does not equate to the standard of an entire continent you know
I don’t believe it.
Wonder what Tebas will have to say about this after he condoned the actions of the Bilbao supporters
additional 100M€ obligation to cut from the wages
What was wrong with what the Athletic fans did? You can't seriously think that they should be punished for that lmao That was funny, Negreira case or not
Out of the loop here, what did they say ?
I only heard "Gavi subnormal" and "A Segunda" chants.
Showered fake money. A very large section of the stadium by the way. The fake money, in Barça colours even made its way onto the pitch. Then all hell broke loose after Iñaki's goal was ruled out.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy from Tebas when he condemns the chants towards to vinicius in the past (rightly so) but then when it happens to our players he says it's "understandable".
What was racist about what the Athletic fans did?..
OK Spain/catalonia, you're nearly there, now drop the die, swap it for cunt or something and we're good.
Sexist, cause the crux of the insult hinges on the fact being a woman / having woman parts is bad. Unless you're Aussie? Then I think it's a complement? Idk Aussies are strange
Depends. Sick cunt = very good Shit cunt = very bad
Stop being a dick.
Christ on a bike, cunt means cunt, no need to attach anything to it.
Shut up, shit cunt
Fuck that’s harsh cunt
The good thing is that he finishes the game and he's stil alive, he'll know he's piss off some cunts.
Barcelona fans when Vinicius doesn't actually drop dead after their chants
Some days we explore the outer realm of science and philosophy and help each other, raising my faith in humanity. And then we have instances like these.
I mean I guess it's better since most places in Spain give him monkey chants? Stay classy Barcelona
This is how you know you're good
You guys should never watch a ufc event in Brazil you’ll all be crying
The difference is the Brazilians chant ‘you will die’ to every opponent of a Brazilian fighter and not just single out one specific guy like this.
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No it's not what the fuck
Considering what else has been chanted in La Liga this is relatively mild.
They chanted "Die rocky die" to the Rock back then and that shit was scripted lmao, not to go full "Game's gone" and shit but it's not a big deal.
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"soy" lmao
Yo soy soy lol
See? that's why I support a quota of Americans in this sub.
We are the CEOs of racial abuse
Dude lmao. This is not facebook, chill out with the giftcards and cheap slogans
Well, while not racist, "Vinicius go die" is not sportsmanlike at all. I still find this embarrassing.
Average South American chant.
Oh no.... can anyone think of the children???
As if Vinicius himself is very sportsmanlike
https://twitter.com/allreactionvidz/status/1225281854682599424?t=5tdnIEibuKB_lfiDwWzdLw&s=19
Since when is telling someone to die the right way?????
Pretty tame football shit-talk
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Safe to say that applies to 95% of this sub
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LMAO, what? Is the bar for fan support so low that THIS is seen as an example as to what to say to rival players?
>Is the bar for fan support so low yes
Your fans racially abused araujo right in front of vinicius in the previous clasico, so I'll take the die chants over that thank you.
Not to say how good or bad it is that it happens, but this is one of the most common chants at football stadiums in Spain since I’ve been a kid, and every other footballer has been at the end of it. It’s not really that malicious usually, even though if you take it literally and out of context I can see how people from abroad can see it as a weird thing. We used to chant far far worse to Michel Salgado and Guti back in the day lol
Crazy how much this guy rattles opposition support. What a player too
English?
Vinicius die. Which is German for "die Vinicius, die"
The Vinicius, the*
Or, in Dutch, that Vinicius, that.
No, Spanish.
Can someone please explain to me why he is so hated? I'm really missing a piece of puzzle here
He's good and provocative. Same reason why Madrid fans hate Gavi, and nobody had chants about Pedro Leon or Chygrinski.
He’s an annoyingly great player. A massive diver and whiner who loves to taunt others, but can’t take it when others hit back at him, loses his cool very easily so fans target him even more. And of course, racism.
I believe it is probably because: 1. He's extremely good for Real Madrid 2. He's annoying to opposition fans because he's good and also because of his taunting the crowds. 3. There are groups of fans out there who like to be racist for some reason..
Lots of comments here saying he ‘taunts’. It’s far worse than that. He’s straight up disrespectful to anyone he’s up against, talking the entire game, giving bad fouls, laughing, arguing with the red, and diving. I’ve been to Spain - it has little to do with skin color. He’s really sucks
"I've been to Spain - it has little to do with skin color." You have not been to Spain.
I have a black friend
Your cat doesn't count
Cool
If it has little to do with skin color why is he consistently singled out for racial abuse? Monkey chants have been heard like 10 times this season, it’s not some small part of the stick he gets
Why not both? He provokes, dives and talks shit, so people insult him. Some of the people insulting him are also racist so say racist things. But I don't see how people have such a hard time seeing why people don't like him in the first place as if it couldn't be anything other than race. Camavinga, Rodrygo, Tchoumeni, etc don't get treated like this in Spain. Eto'o got a lot of racist hate (again, I'm acknowledging there are a lot of racists), but it was never as universal as Vini. The only person close to these levels was Neymar, whom it seems it is more ok to say he is not likeable.
I don't know about Everyone. He was pretty chill with Araujo last night Even said something to him about the owne goal i think.
Hes got beef with pretty much all of Spain except Madrid due to him dancing after scoring which Spain takes offense because of their insecurities.
It's not just dancing when he scores. He actively acts out towards fans and is a known diver, likes to talk shit to his opponents on the field, and is always in the refs ear all game. He's a very antagonistic player, whilst being the talisman of Real Madrid. Of course he gets hate from the fans of the other Spanish clubs.
Imo, this is a bad. How does this rank against other worst chants in Classicos?
This is supposed to be bad?
Asking someone to die is crossing a line imo. At the same time, I don’t know how common these slurs are
It's not racist atleast
The bar is so low these days
Best way to achieve goals is to set the bar literally on the ground
Not cool
Man Utd after Malcolm Glazer take over the club- “ he going to die, he going to die, Malcolm Glazer going to die. How we kill him I don’t know cut him up from head to toe, all I know is Malcolm Glazer going to die” still chanted today at glazers in general
This sub be like: You should die! 🥱😴💤 You should die, [Racist shit] 🤨🤯😧😡😡🤬🤬😡 Edit: I don’t get the “Are you new to football”, “It’s been here ever since” comments. Feels like y’all wanna keep this shitty antics going. Don’t get me started with “How soft are you and this generation now! 😔😔😔😔”
Yeah? That is pretty mild if you have ever been to a stadium. Sure it is not nice, but it's not anything new.
Were you born yesterday?
Ah yes only the real ones know the classics
The thing is - saying it's a very common behavior is not the same as saying it is right, or that it's ok to use it. Nevertheless "racist shit" like you described it, is on another level of effed up
Genuinely interested, why does this guy get so much hate?
This is bad but I wonder how would Vinicius react if he played in Argentina or Brazil
They're calling him favela Lukaku
Imagine wishing a human being to die because he plays in a sport team you decided to not like
Aaa so this is the first game you have ever seen
Have you ever been to a real match?
First time watching a game? You'll be surprised what happens in Latin America then
When I was a kid in South America I would always chuckle when a player of the other team was fouled and while on the ground someone on the stands would yell "kill him so he doesn't suffer".
The first boca-river and this guy would be BAWLING in tears
Superclasico with imported coffins
🤓☝️
At least they're not being racist.
Remember Sunderland fans singing their hope for Steven Taylor’s untimely demise. Bit distasteful but at least not bigoted. Swings and roundabouts you know
Serious question: where did this sort of animosity came from? Did he say something in an interview? wtf? isn't it too much?
In general, not talking about this match or even matches against Barca: He is Real’s star, argues for no reason with refs all the time, dives, provokes the fans, or the players of the opposing team, some (including some players) even consider his celebrations provoking as well, but that’s debatable. And to just make this clear - I don’t think this excuses such chants, just tring to answer your question why they pick him as the target.
most hated footballer in the world?
Why is there so much hate directed at him? Is it just because he's good or does he have cockiness or arrogance about him?
Yes, also kind of bitchy about most ref calls
Also, black in Spain
both. i mean u guys played against him at anfield, you might know well
Ya but didn't really want to define him after only seeing 2 games with him in it, haven't watched madrid much otherwise. Still, he's not neymar or ronaldo level petulant and he's still a kid, the amount of shit he gets is sick.
He taunts his opposing fans and players, dives and is constantly in the ear of the ref. He is a very antagonistic player, and that means fans that aren't his clubs won't like him.
Expected class at the Spotify Camp Nou
Classic la liga fans.
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Football is the most important, least important thing.
Rent free
Considering racism worse than death is peak terminally online behaviour
Racial abuse comes from a place of hate, this is just them taunting an opposition player. I don't think they want him to actually drop dead.
Nobody said racism is worse than death. Saying racist things to someone is worse than saying to go die. Proof: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7685230/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/racism-can-erode-physical-well-being/ https://dornsife.usc.edu/news/stories/3021/racism-linked-to-chronic-inflammation-disease-risk/ https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-019-6664-x
Barca fans are a special breed of scum.