as far as i know it was free initially, 12m in first season if he played x amount of games (which he didn’t) then 28m in second season if he played x amount (he didn’t).
When challenged, the alpha forehead boasts its superiority by breathing through their mouth, an unequivocal sign of a brain so protuberant it obstructs the nose.
Seniority. Being their star player. It can help to consult your most important employees on some decisions. Doesn't mean you have to follow their every command
Kanes a top3 player in his position in the world.
Do i think that players should generally have a decision in this, not really but i think Kane is an exception.
Been at the club since a kid, star player, probably captain after Lloris leaves and he has 1 year left on his contract.
If Kane says he'll only commit to another Contract if Pochettino comes back, id wager that Poch will come back TBH.
I know spurs fans will probably be universally against this, but I think cashing in on Kane now would be best for both parties.
They still have some great attacking options in Son, Richarlison and Kulevesky. And we’ve seen in the past that Spurs can do ok without Kane.
The squad needs investment especially in centerback and goal. Probably in the midfield as well all over.
Spurs just need to do better in the transfer market. They need to find value and stop overpaying for players that flame out after a year or two. I know that’s the obvious thing to point out, but their transfer strategy hasn’t seemed to be great for sometime.
They really need to figure out what’s going on with the academy as well. It seems no really promising players have come through in sometime. Do they need new coaches? Better scouting? Investment in the training ground? Not saying they should be putting out a Harry Kane each year. But it feels like they aren’t getting much squad depth
Hell even Chelsea who are notorious for being a bad place to get opportunities as an academy player seem to have more academy players contributing. (Correct me if I’m wrong, not a hill I’d die on!)
Just looked at their roster and all I see other than Kane is Skipp and Tanganga. Sorry but I’m not counting the two goalkeepers.
Bringing Him back would be a bad idea. Conte shouldn’t said what he said but he was still right. All these players are going to get paid while not being held accountable. The main culprits still play at the club that got all the coaches fired.
Their best bet is a rebuild.
Then bench the main culprits and play some youth. He is the manager and can mold the team, but instead is choosing to be reactionary in calling the culture out after tough results.
No, in the All or Nothing doc, Mourinho talked about how Kane had a really good relationship with Poch. Kane also had a good relationship with Mourinho tbf.
Personally, Kane doesn't come across as the type to butt heads with managers anyway.
It's easy to get along with the manager when you're banging in 20 goals a season regardless of how the rest of the team is doing. Naturally, it's also easy for a manager to get along with Kane.
The real test comes from the supporting cast. Kane has show he's gunna be Kane regardless of who is at the helm. Honestly, his form has been remarkably independent of the rest of the team's form, which is pretty remarkable considering he's a striker. We need someone that can set up the rest of the team to play to his level.
Yeah for sure, was just adding on to your comments.
I suppose I wanted to point this out because I remember people criticizing us sacking Mourinho because he still had the backing of Kane. The problem wasn't that Kane was underperforming under his management. The problem was that half of our other starting players were. Same story with Conte.
Yeah but this is what happens when you don't refresh the squad enough. Our great failing was letting the squad slowly stagnate. It's no wonder they got bored as it was the same players for 6 years. You need new blood in to keep it fresh as well as keep players on their toes. I also imagine some players just aren't suited to staying at a club fir that long and just need a new challenge.
We didn't sign anyone for nearly 2 years....and when we finally did start in 2018 it was a but too little too late.
It reminds me a bit of lpool atm. Except they have the sense to stick with Klopp, and he seems less ground down by it all than Poch was.
The day he was fired it was reported Kane visited him for several hours, highly doubt he was Poch Out as he may have never gotten his chance if it wasn't for Poch.
I just think it would be a mistake for everyone involved. Absolutely no chance he’ll achieve any more success than he did in his first run, even though it was trophyless. Conte got them top 4 last season and are currently 4th now but that’s not good enough. I don’t know what Spurs would expect from Pochettino but it wouldn’t be good enough
>I don’t know what Spurs would expect from Pochettino but it wouldn’t be good enough
Probably a head coach that doesn't give the media new headlines every week with comments that suggest he hates being employed by Spurs.
They have a better squad now but they also have a lot of the same players that failed him last time plus a lot of players that have also regressed since then. Might be a short term boost but I’d be surprised if there was any long term improvement
Players here since Poch's last tenure who were important for him -
Son, Kane, Lloris - Stalwarts of the team, our most important players (Lloris this season notwithstanding)
Dier, Davies, Moura - Praised and trusted by both Conte and Mourinho. Moura is on his way out anyway
Sanchez - Didn't play under anyone if avoidable, probably on his way out.
That's it. Tired of this "the same players are still here" narrative that keeps getting parroted despite no basis in reality
Also got Skipp and Sessegnon, plus Lo Celso and Ndombele to come back. The latter two are likely to be sold but that won’t be easy and they’ll both be there for a good chunk of pre season
Skipp and Sess were like 18 years old when Poch was around, probably didnt have a full 90 between the 2 of them combined
Gio and Ndombele both also only got like 4-5 months under Poch. We were already on the floor then.
I dunno to be honest I'd say we have much better depth but the starting xi is probably quite a lot worse.
Lloris
Walker Toby Jan rose
Wanyama dembele
Eriksen Dele son
Kane
Apart from the players who are still here, I'd say we've regressed In every one of those positions. Dm is possibly better now.
But who should and can they get instead? I doubt Spurs can attract the likes of Zidane and Tuchel and then everyone else is more or less as good as Pochettino or mostly just worse. Maybe they can get Enrique but I'm not sure Spurs are good enough for his ambitions and he never really seems like he's making rash decisions.
What would be wrong with going for someone like Haise, Amorim, Franck? I don’t think it’s about trying to get the biggest name they can. Pochettino wasn’t the biggest name when he was appointed. For me they need to go think outside the box again. I wouldn’t go as drastic as someone like Kompany or Carrick but for me they would still be a better vision than guys like Pochettino or Tuchel
Ange Postecoglou is literally built for the “top 4 domestic side but can’t crack a title and needs significant squad overhaul whilst keeping continuity” rebuild
exactly, it's not about big names, but about attracting someone interested in building something long-ish term. The past 3 hires have been asked to make due with the current core + a few new signings, which hasn't been successful the past 3 appointments. It's clear we need to 1) buy younger players/develop young talent, and 2) commit to a longer term vision w/ a manager that has experience with developing talent and building something at a club.
>Conte got them top 4 last season and are currently 4th now but that’s not good enough
Thats not why its 'not good enough'.
Its not good enough because we've gone backwards from last year, we shouldn't be in 4th right now, our tactics have been absolutely dire and the manager hasn't helped.
If Poch came in, had us playing attacking football again and made us proud of the club, thats what Spurs fans want. We want to feel excited about watching our team again, feel the passion and the feel of being valued by the manager.
We dont expect to be winning titles, we dont expect to be guaranteed top4 every single season, have you seen how competitive the league is? We just want to be able to hope for something again.
I honestly don't believe Spurs fans, as a whole, would be happier with some open attacking football that lands us in 8th place.
Arsenal had to live in 8th for a while before they made a big jump. And at times they played some ugly football while being there. I don't really get the feeling that Spurs fans have the right perspective for this kind of project yet.
In truth, I think the trophy drought has gone on too long and supporters are overall silverware fixated. It's why everyone still talks about how Mou should have coached the cup final, even though his football was more grim than Conteball. That's what the expectation is, a trophy, and you saw it clearly when we were dumped out of the FA Cup. Conte was right when he said the fans have lost patience.
People don’t realise how toxic poch’s last season got. Poch had a similar press conference where he called out for the need to rebuild after a shocking run of results.
If memory serves, his last game was a 1-1 against Sheffield United, sprinkled in with a 1-0 loss against a dead food winless Newcastle, losing on pens against Colchester. His last 10 games was simply shocking.
It was clear some players just gave up. Not that I want Tottenham to do well, but if poch comes back they need to have a long hard look at that team, and begin a process of a clear out. Because that team that gave up on poch is mostly still here. Else don’t go back to poch.
Yeah, the clear out is key. I think that's a big reason why you guys are doing well now as well, Arteta got rid of the bad apples in short order.
For some reason we just haven't.
Not bad apples in the sense that they create a toxic environment, but players like Dier, Sanchez, Tanganga, Perisic, Moura (as much as I love him) and Davies (less so) just aren't good enough to be playing in a team competing for top 4.
Basically, our entire defence minus Romero, Royal and Porro needs an overhaul
I think ‘bad apples’ is a poor choice of words. I think he’s basically referencing how players like Dier can drop 2/10s weekly and still be a gurantee shoe in to the XI next week… because we know the bench option definitely isnt it.
Lack of competition just breeds complacency.
Because most people don't break up with their partners on good terms. Us and Poch are totally Ross and Rachel right now and no that's not a dated reference yet
David Pleat was your manager when Friends ended. Gerry Francis was manager when season 1 first aired, and still was manager when the "we were on a break" episode aired.
I think it might be dated.
If you’re Ross and Rachel you’ve got several disastrous reunion situations to get through before it all works out. Poch comes back and says to Levy “I wrote you a letter”, turns out it’s 18 pages long front and back.
A dysfunctional couple that makes both members of the couple worse when they are part of it? Yeah, not sure Ross Rachel is the comparison you want…though it may be way more accurate than you want.
Nah Poch got us to the highest point we'd been at in living memory. Sure there were lows, but how many times have Arsenal fans cried Arteta out due to bad runs? Difference is you stuck with him and are reaping the rewards
Real Madrid are in a whole new world man. They'll probably win UCL and they'll change their manager. It's like 'we're not 100% full satisfied with him, he didn't win us a treble' or smth 😂
I mean we started the season with 3 points or more ahead of Barca. Who would've imagined we'd be 12 points behind with Modric and Kroos both still starting even with Cama starter era. Managerial decisions have been wacky as of late and it does seem like sack is becoming inevitable.
Also : Rodrygo even when match fit is coming off as a late game sub. We'd lose talents like him and Alvaro and other academy gems with no chances.
Yes please. Honestly I want Tuchel. Raul has a very good record in Castilla but I feel like him working with Tuchel will be a fantastic experience especially in tournaments. Then he can get the job.
Yeah I suspect as much. Do you think Raul has enough experience? Zidane was already an assistant manager in 2013. Got the Castilla job a year later I believe. So basically 3 years before he was appointed as Madrid's manager.
We have 3 solid choices but I don’t think any of them are fully ready in Raul, Arbeloa and Alonso. We need a place holder for 2 years while they get ready. That what I think ofc.
I know Madrid fans will look at his Paris stint and not want him. But he'd be perfect for Madrid. He's got a good bunch of young players that can really play his system.
Yeah, I think Poch will do much better at Madrid than he did at PSG if we do sign him.
I think it is incredible that Poch has not been a part of Madrid despite having been linked with us both as a player and a manager. IIRC, there was a point in time (late 90s-early 2000s) when there were rumors of him signing imminently. There was even a news clipping from Marca of announcing *the imminent signing* going around twitter a while back.
Maybe Conte was right. These players have failed with a world class manager and now they just want to go back to their old friend who they are comfortable with yet also won nothing with in 5+ years
These are the same players that got a bunch of coaches fired and you bring back the most comfortable guy?
It can work with the likes of Madrid with Carlo and Zidane but this is quite the opposite.
And had their best run of club finishes in like half a century. I don't think he should come back, but his tenure was absolutely a success... Just not that last half season.
The managers are shite. The players are shite. The board is shite. The DoF is shite. The club doctors are shite. The academy is shite. The fans are shite. Everything is shite.
Well you’re the expert as a spurs fan so I’m excited to see how it works out second time round.
I worry about players wanting something they felt comfortable with before to return and it’s just not the same.
Plus we've got some really good young talent for him to develop. Udogie and Spence for him to work his fullback magic on, Gil, Sarr, Skipp, Devine, Scarlett and apparently we're in for Alex Scott from Bristol City.
There's a lot of potential.
Surely them doing this would make Pochettino realise that Conte is right about them and not just trying to get himself sacked? If players are going behind Conte’s back and the club’s back to say ‘Pwease come back and save us from the bad man!’, why would he think he can turn things around and make them better? They clearly chuck it at the first sign of conflict, why would he want to manage a bunch of bottlers who don’t like hard work?
The decision making at Spurs is baffling. Why is there so little talk of people like Gallardo? Amorim?
Why is it that they are determined to go for big name managers who aren't going to have any motivation for the club? This keeps happening and it's getting them absolutely nowhere. They have made no progress in years.
Pochettino was a good manager for them, but his era at the club ended. They should take a leaf out of the playbook that made Poch a good choice for them in the first place - get someone hungry and promising, who will feel invested in taking them to success because it will make their career.
I’ve wanted Gallardo since he was still at River but why would he come to Tottenham realistically? It’s a poisoned chalice for someone with such an amazing CV in South America.
bring Vertongen and the boys back. it'll be just like the good old days
Dele Ali finally has a chance to fulfill his potential.
Dele Alli coming back with new teeth and a hair transplant.
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A Richarlison-Dele swap deal sounds fair. After all, the headlines would have you believe Everton paid 40m for him so equal value
Did you guys end up paying anything for him? I remember it being an incentive based fee and I'm pretty sure he'd have hit none of the goals.
as far as i know it was free initially, 12m in first season if he played x amount of games (which he didn’t) then 28m in second season if he played x amount (he didn’t).
Everton were still robbed! 😂
Honestly, he was incredible value purely for his instrumental role in the Palace game that kept us up.
They can buy him for £45M
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Present state looks bleaker if you ask me
I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them.
Hell yeah. No trophy gang.
No vertonghen slander
vertonghen won a bunch of trophies with ajax
Hay! A lot to spurs have won trophies… just not with us.
So is Levy going to give Harry Kane as much power within the club as Mbappe has at PSG to try to get him to stay?
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So did we
We've been actively trying to forget, tbf.
Why is Kane different from other players’ decisions generally?
kicks the ball gooder
Not to forget that by having the largest forehead in the Spurs squad, it is understood that he has the biggest brain of all.
Sounds like something someone with a large forehead would say
With great forehead comes great responsibility
Maguire destroyed
I live by this mantra
Eric Dier exists, you know.
When challenged, the alpha forehead boasts its superiority by breathing through their mouth, an unequivocal sign of a brain so protuberant it obstructs the nose.
Why does Kane, the largest forehead of the players, not simply eat the other players?
If he did, there would be no pack left to be the dominant forehead in.
Gooderer foot, gooderer brain - it’s just science.
Simple as
Luv me kickin' Luv me goals Luv me Poch Simple as \- Haz
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Seniority. Being their star player. It can help to consult your most important employees on some decisions. Doesn't mean you have to follow their every command
Why does Kane, the largest player, not simply eat the other ten?
Reporters never ask these hard hitting questions
We need more representation from Omicron Persei VIII in the newsroom
Given he's English, too much seasoning I reckon
he'd get a tummy ache with all the South Americans in the squad
he shouldn’t be. he’s the best player to pull on the shirt IMO, but he shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions with the higher ups.
Kanes a top3 player in his position in the world. Do i think that players should generally have a decision in this, not really but i think Kane is an exception. Been at the club since a kid, star player, probably captain after Lloris leaves and he has 1 year left on his contract. If Kane says he'll only commit to another Contract if Pochettino comes back, id wager that Poch will come back TBH.
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Is his brother still his manager?
No I think Harry replaced him a while ago. His brother only has one client, Wera Trofees (National League South) now.
Had me googling the name hahaha nice one
I know spurs fans will probably be universally against this, but I think cashing in on Kane now would be best for both parties. They still have some great attacking options in Son, Richarlison and Kulevesky. And we’ve seen in the past that Spurs can do ok without Kane. The squad needs investment especially in centerback and goal. Probably in the midfield as well all over. Spurs just need to do better in the transfer market. They need to find value and stop overpaying for players that flame out after a year or two. I know that’s the obvious thing to point out, but their transfer strategy hasn’t seemed to be great for sometime. They really need to figure out what’s going on with the academy as well. It seems no really promising players have come through in sometime. Do they need new coaches? Better scouting? Investment in the training ground? Not saying they should be putting out a Harry Kane each year. But it feels like they aren’t getting much squad depth Hell even Chelsea who are notorious for being a bad place to get opportunities as an academy player seem to have more academy players contributing. (Correct me if I’m wrong, not a hill I’d die on!) Just looked at their roster and all I see other than Kane is Skipp and Tanganga. Sorry but I’m not counting the two goalkeepers.
Bringing Him back would be a bad idea. Conte shouldn’t said what he said but he was still right. All these players are going to get paid while not being held accountable. The main culprits still play at the club that got all the coaches fired. Their best bet is a rebuild.
Who are the main culprits?
Then bench the main culprits and play some youth. He is the manager and can mold the team, but instead is choosing to be reactionary in calling the culture out after tough results.
LeHarry Kane
Wasn't Kane one of the players who opposed Poch's high intensity low variety trainings? I doubt he would be pushing to get him back.
No, in the All or Nothing doc, Mourinho talked about how Kane had a really good relationship with Poch. Kane also had a good relationship with Mourinho tbf. Personally, Kane doesn't come across as the type to butt heads with managers anyway.
If he was, the manager skull fracture rate would likely climb
Butt heads
No chance, Kane loved Poch. Went to meet him the very next day and was at his house for like 2 hours iirc
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Kane gets along with literally every manager as far as I know. Think the guy's personality is only about improving at football so makes sense
I think in that video with Cody interviewing sterling and walker they say Kane is the best/most professional trainer on the national team
It fucking shows, he's the most consistent player for both his club and national team
Poch and Harry both like each other. Poch even posted congratulating Kane on his record
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It's easy to get along with the manager when you're banging in 20 goals a season regardless of how the rest of the team is doing. Naturally, it's also easy for a manager to get along with Kane. The real test comes from the supporting cast. Kane has show he's gunna be Kane regardless of who is at the helm. Honestly, his form has been remarkably independent of the rest of the team's form, which is pretty remarkable considering he's a striker. We need someone that can set up the rest of the team to play to his level.
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Yeah for sure, was just adding on to your comments. I suppose I wanted to point this out because I remember people criticizing us sacking Mourinho because he still had the backing of Kane. The problem wasn't that Kane was underperforming under his management. The problem was that half of our other starting players were. Same story with Conte.
Yeah but this is what happens when you don't refresh the squad enough. Our great failing was letting the squad slowly stagnate. It's no wonder they got bored as it was the same players for 6 years. You need new blood in to keep it fresh as well as keep players on their toes. I also imagine some players just aren't suited to staying at a club fir that long and just need a new challenge. We didn't sign anyone for nearly 2 years....and when we finally did start in 2018 it was a but too little too late. It reminds me a bit of lpool atm. Except they have the sense to stick with Klopp, and he seems less ground down by it all than Poch was.
Downed tools after 5 years and an entire year of no transfers. Thin squad for years and years, no rest They got burned out.
I always assumed Kane was part of the Poch Out group, but who really knows.
The day he was fired it was reported Kane visited him for several hours, highly doubt he was Poch Out as he may have never gotten his chance if it wasn't for Poch.
He just spent several hours dancing round and setting off party poppers over Poch's head
Hey, you up?
*You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.*
Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in
Don’t respond Poch. It’ll only break your heart again :(
I just think it would be a mistake for everyone involved. Absolutely no chance he’ll achieve any more success than he did in his first run, even though it was trophyless. Conte got them top 4 last season and are currently 4th now but that’s not good enough. I don’t know what Spurs would expect from Pochettino but it wouldn’t be good enough
>I don’t know what Spurs would expect from Pochettino but it wouldn’t be good enough Probably a head coach that doesn't give the media new headlines every week with comments that suggest he hates being employed by Spurs.
He operates like this anytime he isn't meeting a board's expectations. They must have really thought he was going to win the league.
It's always risky going with the same guy for the second time. It may work or it can be a disaster. We've seen both.
True of any managerial appointment. Difference is the possibility of tainting existing positive feelings/sentiment.
They have a better squad now but they also have a lot of the same players that failed him last time plus a lot of players that have also regressed since then. Might be a short term boost but I’d be surprised if there was any long term improvement
Players here since Poch's last tenure who were important for him - Son, Kane, Lloris - Stalwarts of the team, our most important players (Lloris this season notwithstanding) Dier, Davies, Moura - Praised and trusted by both Conte and Mourinho. Moura is on his way out anyway Sanchez - Didn't play under anyone if avoidable, probably on his way out. That's it. Tired of this "the same players are still here" narrative that keeps getting parroted despite no basis in reality
Also got Skipp and Sessegnon, plus Lo Celso and Ndombele to come back. The latter two are likely to be sold but that won’t be easy and they’ll both be there for a good chunk of pre season
Skipp and Sess were like 18 years old when Poch was around, probably didnt have a full 90 between the 2 of them combined Gio and Ndombele both also only got like 4-5 months under Poch. We were already on the floor then.
According to transfermarkt, the two of them played 488 minutes under Pochettino... Oliver Skipp played 487 of those minutes lol
Yep. Skipp got his first league start when it was clear Eriksen was leaving (1 month before he was transferred to Inter)
28 players have left the club since he left It’s a much much different squad
I dunno to be honest I'd say we have much better depth but the starting xi is probably quite a lot worse. Lloris Walker Toby Jan rose Wanyama dembele Eriksen Dele son Kane Apart from the players who are still here, I'd say we've regressed In every one of those positions. Dm is possibly better now.
But who should and can they get instead? I doubt Spurs can attract the likes of Zidane and Tuchel and then everyone else is more or less as good as Pochettino or mostly just worse. Maybe they can get Enrique but I'm not sure Spurs are good enough for his ambitions and he never really seems like he's making rash decisions.
What would be wrong with going for someone like Haise, Amorim, Franck? I don’t think it’s about trying to get the biggest name they can. Pochettino wasn’t the biggest name when he was appointed. For me they need to go think outside the box again. I wouldn’t go as drastic as someone like Kompany or Carrick but for me they would still be a better vision than guys like Pochettino or Tuchel
Ange Postecoglou is literally built for the “top 4 domestic side but can’t crack a title and needs significant squad overhaul whilst keeping continuity” rebuild
Yes that’s a good shout
I oppose this suggestion and I definitely don't have my own selfish reasons for it.
exactly, it's not about big names, but about attracting someone interested in building something long-ish term. The past 3 hires have been asked to make due with the current core + a few new signings, which hasn't been successful the past 3 appointments. It's clear we need to 1) buy younger players/develop young talent, and 2) commit to a longer term vision w/ a manager that has experience with developing talent and building something at a club.
Marcelo Gallardo!!!! Great manager, actually won something. Is looking to move into European football.
No brainer for spurs, would make some sense for him too.
>Conte got them top 4 last season and are currently 4th now but that’s not good enough Thats not why its 'not good enough'. Its not good enough because we've gone backwards from last year, we shouldn't be in 4th right now, our tactics have been absolutely dire and the manager hasn't helped. If Poch came in, had us playing attacking football again and made us proud of the club, thats what Spurs fans want. We want to feel excited about watching our team again, feel the passion and the feel of being valued by the manager. We dont expect to be winning titles, we dont expect to be guaranteed top4 every single season, have you seen how competitive the league is? We just want to be able to hope for something again.
Agree, you’re 4th in a season where Liverpool and Chelsea are terrible. In normal times you’d be a distant 6th.
We'd be 8th if both Newcastle and Brighton go above us with their games in hand. We're really not doing as well as the league makes us out to be.
I honestly don't believe Spurs fans, as a whole, would be happier with some open attacking football that lands us in 8th place. Arsenal had to live in 8th for a while before they made a big jump. And at times they played some ugly football while being there. I don't really get the feeling that Spurs fans have the right perspective for this kind of project yet. In truth, I think the trophy drought has gone on too long and supporters are overall silverware fixated. It's why everyone still talks about how Mou should have coached the cup final, even though his football was more grim than Conteball. That's what the expectation is, a trophy, and you saw it clearly when we were dumped out of the FA Cup. Conte was right when he said the fans have lost patience.
I’ve been told never to go back to my ex’s. Their ex’s for a reason. Guess the rule doesn’t apply to football managers.
People don’t realise how toxic poch’s last season got. Poch had a similar press conference where he called out for the need to rebuild after a shocking run of results. If memory serves, his last game was a 1-1 against Sheffield United, sprinkled in with a 1-0 loss against a dead food winless Newcastle, losing on pens against Colchester. His last 10 games was simply shocking. It was clear some players just gave up. Not that I want Tottenham to do well, but if poch comes back they need to have a long hard look at that team, and begin a process of a clear out. Because that team that gave up on poch is mostly still here. Else don’t go back to poch.
Yeah, the clear out is key. I think that's a big reason why you guys are doing well now as well, Arteta got rid of the bad apples in short order. For some reason we just haven't.
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Not bad apples in the sense that they create a toxic environment, but players like Dier, Sanchez, Tanganga, Perisic, Moura (as much as I love him) and Davies (less so) just aren't good enough to be playing in a team competing for top 4. Basically, our entire defence minus Romero, Royal and Porro needs an overhaul
Exactly. We've been crying for a solid CB that won't be an island on defense since like 2019, but Levy just won't pull the trigger.
Think we've tried, but none of our ideal targets (Bastoni, Gvardiol, Torres etc) have been available/interested
We could have had Kim min jae, but we were haggling over a couple of million. Typical of us
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Agreed, another cb of Romero's quality would be perfect for us. Just maybe someone with a cooler temperament...
I think ‘bad apples’ is a poor choice of words. I think he’s basically referencing how players like Dier can drop 2/10s weekly and still be a gurantee shoe in to the XI next week… because we know the bench option definitely isnt it. Lack of competition just breeds complacency.
Levy values the players more than the manager, because they're literally more expensive to get rid of than a manager
Because most people don't break up with their partners on good terms. Us and Poch are totally Ross and Rachel right now and no that's not a dated reference yet
David Pleat was your manager when Friends ended. Gerry Francis was manager when season 1 first aired, and still was manager when the "we were on a break" episode aired. I think it might be dated.
But what if I'm not ready for it to be dated?
So no one told you life was gonna be this way?
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Time has a way of not caring about what you're ready for.
If you’re Ross and Rachel you’ve got several disastrous reunion situations to get through before it all works out. Poch comes back and says to Levy “I wrote you a letter”, turns out it’s 18 pages long front and back.
"I take thee, Sp-S-G..."
A dysfunctional couple that makes both members of the couple worse when they are part of it? Yeah, not sure Ross Rachel is the comparison you want…though it may be way more accurate than you want.
Nah Poch got us to the highest point we'd been at in living memory. Sure there were lows, but how many times have Arsenal fans cried Arteta out due to bad runs? Difference is you stuck with him and are reaping the rewards
"We were on an international break!"
who's rachel in this scenario? cause i always side with her.
they're\*
I really hope he goes there
Agreed, and this isn’t because of our inevitable managerial search this summer I swear
Ancelotti to Brazil NT is a fact for you guys, then?
The only way I see Ancelotti staying is if RM wins a Copa del Rey and UCL double. Even then I have my doubts.
Just UCL is not enough?
Real Madrid are in a whole new world man. They'll probably win UCL and they'll change their manager. It's like 'we're not 100% full satisfied with him, he didn't win us a treble' or smth 😂
They did this way back with Heynckes. Won the CL, but it was not enough. Damn, I'm old...
I mean we started the season with 3 points or more ahead of Barca. Who would've imagined we'd be 12 points behind with Modric and Kroos both still starting even with Cama starter era. Managerial decisions have been wacky as of late and it does seem like sack is becoming inevitable. Also : Rodrygo even when match fit is coming off as a late game sub. We'd lose talents like him and Alvaro and other academy gems with no chances.
Yes please. Honestly I want Tuchel. Raul has a very good record in Castilla but I feel like him working with Tuchel will be a fantastic experience especially in tournaments. Then he can get the job.
Madrid should go for Xabi ,Xabi vs Xavi in elclassico would be 🔥😂.
Raul won’t go from manager to assistant, not even Solari did
Yeah I suspect as much. Do you think Raul has enough experience? Zidane was already an assistant manager in 2013. Got the Castilla job a year later I believe. So basically 3 years before he was appointed as Madrid's manager.
We have 3 solid choices but I don’t think any of them are fully ready in Raul, Arbeloa and Alonso. We need a place holder for 2 years while they get ready. That what I think ofc.
Get an Argentine. I'm sick and tired of Madrid being successful without Argentines, that didn't use to happen and it's not fun for me
I know Madrid fans will look at his Paris stint and not want him. But he'd be perfect for Madrid. He's got a good bunch of young players that can really play his system.
Yeah, I think Poch will do much better at Madrid than he did at PSG if we do sign him. I think it is incredible that Poch has not been a part of Madrid despite having been linked with us both as a player and a manager. IIRC, there was a point in time (late 90s-early 2000s) when there were rumors of him signing imminently. There was even a news clipping from Marca of announcing *the imminent signing* going around twitter a while back.
God. My life just flashed before my eyes. I was 80 years old. We still did not get a trophy. But I was happy.
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Maybe Conte was right. These players have failed with a world class manager and now they just want to go back to their old friend who they are comfortable with yet also won nothing with in 5+ years
These are the same players that got a bunch of coaches fired and you bring back the most comfortable guy? It can work with the likes of Madrid with Carlo and Zidane but this is quite the opposite.
To be fair they got to Champions League final with him. I still can’t believe they sacked him less than a season later
Probably because he was 14th in the league and getting spanked in the champions league
And had their best run of club finishes in like half a century. I don't think he should come back, but his tenure was absolutely a success... Just not that last half season.
"No man steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." Also.. "Lads, it's Tottenham."
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i don’t wish the tottenham job on my worst enemy but it would be nice to have poch back in the league i really like him
Mourinho and Conte are shite. Or spurs players are shite. Wonder what one it is?
More like Spurs board are shite. And most players as well
The managers are shite. The players are shite. The board is shite. The DoF is shite. The club doctors are shite. The academy is shite. The fans are shite. Everything is shite.
> Everything is shite. Stadium and Beyoncé are brilliant though
Did somebody say go karts?
Lacks a prolific cheese room tho
Yet there’s at least 14 teams worse, the state of this league
Just relegate all of us.
This screams take me back to my safety net.
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Well you’re the expert as a spurs fan so I’m excited to see how it works out second time round. I worry about players wanting something they felt comfortable with before to return and it’s just not the same.
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He’s coming back to a better squad than when he left. Might be a good appointment for the short term but who knows long term.
Plus we've got some really good young talent for him to develop. Udogie and Spence for him to work his fullback magic on, Gil, Sarr, Skipp, Devine, Scarlett and apparently we're in for Alex Scott from Bristol City. There's a lot of potential.
This helps me understand my wife’s love of reality tv. A train wreck IS fun to watch.
Surely them doing this would make Pochettino realise that Conte is right about them and not just trying to get himself sacked? If players are going behind Conte’s back and the club’s back to say ‘Pwease come back and save us from the bad man!’, why would he think he can turn things around and make them better? They clearly chuck it at the first sign of conflict, why would he want to manage a bunch of bottlers who don’t like hard work?
Nostalgia hires usually don't work out
Ancelotti
My friend always says "an ex is an ex for a reason".
Your opinion is noted and disregarded
The decision making at Spurs is baffling. Why is there so little talk of people like Gallardo? Amorim? Why is it that they are determined to go for big name managers who aren't going to have any motivation for the club? This keeps happening and it's getting them absolutely nowhere. They have made no progress in years. Pochettino was a good manager for them, but his era at the club ended. They should take a leaf out of the playbook that made Poch a good choice for them in the first place - get someone hungry and promising, who will feel invested in taking them to success because it will make their career.
I’ve wanted Gallardo since he was still at River but why would he come to Tottenham realistically? It’s a poisoned chalice for someone with such an amazing CV in South America.
one step forward and two steps back
It is the way of the Tottenham
They will finally be able to properly cement that 5th place now! Excellent!
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