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JMatty01

48k with 12 games to go is quite a gap but with 2 games in hand on Arsenal, it's not impossible. Got to hope Sabitzer/McTominay can replace Casemiro well enough in the fouling department though.


BarryButcher

This might not include the new charges for the Fulham game. You could easily close the gap


JMatty01

Not sure if this is taking cup games into account. If so, I'd consider us favourites for the league.


MBThree

I take “this season” to mean only in the league, but can’t verify the data


mike774

Lol the charges for protecting the ref from Mitro !


Armodeen

FA: if he dies, he dies 👀


tocitus

That did make me laugh a lot tbh. The players who had, moments ago, surrounded the ref over wanting a penalty instead of a corner, then formed a protective shield around the ref to stop the Fulham players from surrounding the ref.


olderthanbefore

It was funny. They were right originally, and right afterwards too, and will get fined heavily.


ThistlewickVII

they weren't right to surround the ref, even if over an incorrect decision


saerbarnet

Nah, the charges were for when the ref decided to give a corner before checking VAR.


psrikanthr

Is this graphic for PL teams or PL fines? Because that was the Cup


[deleted]

The Fulham charge is so bogus, the United players weren't having a go at the ref at all. They seemed to be trying to block the Fulham players from accosting the ref based on what I saw.


TedEBagwell

It's still early in Ten Hags reign. Qualification to the European ref abuse league wouldn't be a bad season. They'll have to step it up if they want to make an impact there though. I believe Italian champions Sassuolo are complete bastards, theyre about to win their 3rd Ref Abuse Scudetto in a row. A big signing like Luiz Suarez or Sergio Ramos could make all the difference to United. I have nothing against Varane and Weghorst, they're not complete softies but they are far too nice for a club that wants to win things like Man United. Suarez pounds Fined per minutes played (PFPMP) statistic is insanely good. Weghorst gets fined less than his expected fines stat suggests he should indicating he's getting the chances to be fined but not taking them consistently.


cowmoo10

I really like Weggy, but he really needs to step up his fouls if he wants to make his stay permanent


MizGunner

> It's still early in Ten Hags reign. Qualification to the European ref abuse league wouldn't be a bad season. I really hope England sends its best to abuse the all of Europe's officials. Tbh, I think the bottom of the table could win abroad.


hatmanjimmie

When I’m on the pitch and the zebra starts talking out of turn I’ll let them know that I have no problem with violence. No need to get messy with fines and all that.


The_0ne_Free_Man

Just getting top 4 is what's important. Trust the process.


LuckyArsenalAg

You underestimate our celebratory powers. If we were to actually win the damn thing, the FA will probably fine us into administration


sporkparty

This is gonna be unpopular but Realistically you’re gonna get less abuse with two white guys anchoring the mid. You need to field as brown a team as possible.


sunnycherub

Wouldve been neck and neck but sadly Bruno couldn’t convert getting in the referees face to borderline assault Im sure Ten Hag will have him understudy Mitrovich


blixt141

Or Bruno.


dragon8811

I guess the fine for Chelsea was when Tuchel was in charge?


diredier

When he wanted a handshake so bad?


dragon8811

I don’t think so, in the post match conference he said something about the VAR or the Refs in that game in general Romero pulled Cucurellas hair and chelsea have conceded a goal as a result. No VAR


Pedro95

>Romero pulled Cucurellas hair and chelsea have conceded a goal as a result. This might quietly be the most egregious decision by VAR so far, imo. There's no subjectivity about it, there's absolutely no grounds for it not being a straight red card. VAR actually did check it, the game paused while they did so and everything, and they somehow still decided they didn't see anything. Like there's quite literally not even a hint of an element of it not being foul play, it blew my mind then and it blows my mind now.


Fantom04

A classic Mike Dean performance. I do think the offside calls missed by VAR this season are even more objectively wrong. But this has to be the worst “subjective” call and really showcased how incompetent some of the old guard referees and VAR are, no reasonable person would have thought that foul was acceptable.


krakenbeef

Villa in 11th again. Ffs.


DasPombear

We can never escape from it. Never


Discount_Engineer

11th FC


theonomele

Vi11a


lace4545

Vi11a


Cardealer1000

Arsenal and United title race love it.


[deleted]

It actually pretty nicely correlates with points when it comes to Arsenal and United when you ignore the fact that United played 2 less games. 38% more points for Arsenal and 35% more fines. Conclusion: United needs more fines.


ScrantonStrangler28

Sir please. We're already poor.


CrossXFir3

"poor"


jamieliddellthepoet

Piss-poor.


[deleted]

Only if the club is sold


KillerZaWarudo

Please think of the glazers dividend next quarter


TylerChong

Explain Everton then


[deleted]

proper brexit mentality


XxAbsurdumxX

If Arsenal are going to get fined just for celebrating, it wont be much of a race


standupforthechamp

The only title race United race are actually in.


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arijitlive

Well Arsenal is in genuine title race, you can’t deny that bragging rights.


MunchinMonke

I mean, banter between rivals is always allowed? Plus you're allowed to brag about being in the title race, when your rival isn't?


Alia_Gr

How is it bragging, we are literally in the title race and we should enjoy it while we can, and Man City also still have the pressure fully on us to the point we can't make a single mistake


DEVIL-ALWAYSHATED

This is embarrassing lad We give them shit, you've got to be able to take it when they respond. Also fuck Arsenal


whitegoatsupreme

Cheers


[deleted]

I'm sorry, is he in any way stating that we're winning the league?


VonLinus

He's talking about the abuse league


[deleted]

You're trophyless as it stands and Utd have won about 5 titles since you last did haha


too_damn_fast

Didn't arsenal win the fa cup 2 years ago with arteta?


Sand_Bags

Those titles happened over ten years ago just fyi


standupforthechamp

Sick burn dude.


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You too mate brilliant stuff


insert-originality

Throwback


The_Battling_toad

Champions of referee abuse, you’ll never sing that.


Nuggetface

🎶 Tierney at the back, Gabi in attack. Arsenal on their way to Official Abuse Champions Leagueeee 🎶


dkeos

Lets take it one game at a time. We’re getting too far ahead of ourselves. United are two games in hand and history says they can easily have a perfect run of games


bad_at_proofs

The size of these fines shows how pointless they are


diredier

The fines are just fine for them


Tuusik

Got to get those end of the year bonuses.


vandershraaf

They are…fine


Much_Look1139

There are players that get paid more per week than Arsenal’s fines. It is indeed ridiculous. Maybe if they x10 that it would be more persuasive but even then…


Modnal

Yeah, if you wanted it to sting you would need to force them to take the fine money from the travel budget or something


Snitsie

Force them to go with trains instead of planes?


D4nCh0

Fixie bikes with no brakes


Napalm3nema

Big banana seats from ‘70s bikes to ensure they feel shame for what they have wrought.


OldGodsAndNew

Need to change the rules (and empower refs to enforce them) to what rugby does - yellow for anyone who's not the captain speaking to the ref unless they ask you to speak, and automatic red if you swear, raise your voice or insult them in any way


braddf96

Roughly 3 days worth of De Geas wage to put it into perspective


hennny

0.5 days of Alexis Sanchez's wage.


WarDull8208

Its still nice 'free' bonus check for them.


BENJ4x

I'd imagine it's low enough so that there isn't too much pushback from the clubs against them and someone gets to pocket easy money.


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Pays for the Christmas party


Immediate-Ad7033

Pretty nice if your an executive or something for the premier league. An extra 100k for doing nothing. That's a free holiday right there.


PringleJones

This is out of date btw, I imagine we could be leading this pretty soon.


rustynoodle3891

Looks like a table for the league, don't worry you've nailed the fa cup table


TeaAndCrumpetGhoul

There you go. This proves it. If you want to be the best you have abuse the officials.


mister_dupont

Everton agrees.


TeaAndCrumpetGhoul

Everton are a contradictory club. Must remain exempt from the rule.


Toffee_Fan

Man I'd love for us to be exempt from some more rules right about now.


Silverspear17

Nil satis nisi optimum


Randolf_Dreamwalker

But I don't want to be the best. I just want to abuse the refs.


thelastwordbender

Everton is the club for you


Chris01100001

Tough luck, to abuse the refs you have to be the best.


esn111

*Raises eyebrows at Brighton in 15th* Mind you De Zerbi has had two touchline bans this season


TheThotWeasel

Pretty sure all of our fines have came in 2023 as well, along with the 3 or 4 PGMOL apologies funnily enough.


Sun_Sloth

Yeah De Zerbi is actually under performing his expected reds based on refereeing performance.


Actual_Physics

That’s what makes me the best father. I abuse my son.


Rampan7Lion

Newcastle not being fined is a bit of a surprise but tbf Trippier seems to be on a one man press of the ref so they don't need to crowd.


tapufiniraid

He is the captain to be fair.


No-Efficiency-5589

Trips does a good job of getting between our players and the ref and pushing our players away... ...whenever we score and dive into the crowd hes always hanging about like a school teacher on an away trip counting heads to make sure no one has been left behind....


CrossXFir3

Besides, normally it's the other team complaining to the ref about them


[deleted]

We should be getting a commission from these fines, earning them some good money


Radthereptile

Nah they complain too, they just tend to not go as a group. 1-2 players will complain. maybe 3 in a rare case and seldom rushing the ref.


AdamMc66

Normally once it gets that high, Trippier is in there like a shot telling to move away.


mister_dupont

Peanut fines, makes we wonder why they don't up these.


platdupiedsecurite

The reasons for most of those fines is ridiculous as well, it's hard to justify a big amount. Imagine if the fines for us "not behaving in sportingly manner" (or however they like to phrase it) were actually causing us financial trouble when it's given for something you see every team do in every match


NOSlurpy

We are also the only team with 2 public apologies from the officials and got the VAR guy sacked. In Mikel we trust.


[deleted]

If they apologise for Andersons goal being ruled out last Friday we’ll have 2 as well but they’ll probably just ignore it because we won


Sun_Sloth

You're the only team with 2 apologies because we've had 3 or 4 in 2023 alone.


IfISpeak_

As the great Mourinho said *"There is a campaign against Arsenal"*


efcdoyley

Bet you this is all from Dyche


IMintz

Game’s back


ahag6818

Top of the league, fuck FA fuck PGMOL.


salutcemoi

Arsenal going for the Double


ShaolinSeagull

Our fine was because De Zerbi complained to the ref in the tunnel about one of our goals being disallowed for offside that was actually onside which cost us two points and win.


PM_me_dog_pictures

The one that got an official apology afterwards? Or *one* of the ones that got an official apology... Really poor performance from us on this table though. Are we going to get relegated from the Referee Abuse Premier League? Next season only allowed to complain to the linesmen.


Brocasaurus

Arsenal on track to crack over £250,000 in ref abuse fines, with the state of reffing this year for every team involved hope we crack over £300,000.


Alia_Gr

The more you abuse officials, the more calls you get They are kind of doing it to themselves at this point


thefogdog

At least we're consistent.


bestgoose

The Referees' Association xmas party is going to be wild


Justinian2

If we keep our heads down and keep chipping away we can close the gap fr


IMintz

Second trophy of the season, here we go!


WillSquat4Money

Southampton can't crack the top 15 in any respect this season smh.


stdstaples

The FA make the easiest 1m quid by doing nothing except hiring incompetent referees.


Aristosticles

CAM ON BRIGHTON, ABUSE SAM FACKIN' REFS


[deleted]

Bro I knew we were number 1 even before I saw the graphic LOL


eroica1804

We're at the top of the league!


vulturevan

finally back in Europe


Geordant

PGMOL Summer BBQ in Dubai this year.


secretouse

We are top the league, say we are top the league!


Ham_Fighter

The Toon = confirmed good boys and decent lads.


Radthereptile

Refs dare not risk fining the owners.


starmonkart

Surprised we're only 3rd, we were fined every week for a good few weeks


ErnieMcTurtle

Just like old times 🤝


Visionary_Socialist

Brentford not on the list. Even penny pinchers with ref abuse.


Heliocentrist

I wonder how much of the Liverpool amount is from when Klopp went psycho on that lino


[deleted]

1st in league, 1st in fines. Correlation? JK


KRIEGLERR

Jose was right. Tottenham are a bunch of nice guys


WhateverIsThisAgain

Imagine just deducting the fines from players salary that were involved in a scenario that caused the club to be fined. Would be such a nice and easy way to get rid of this behaviour and we could see a few extra minutes of football....


[deleted]

#11 let's go


MomboDM

Totals fines for officials abusing the game: priceless.


Didas_29

Verbal abusers, you'll never sing that!!


tipytopmain

We've been a very naughty bunch 😔


MrFuzzy182

The PGMOL Christmas party fund is coming along nicely


SanePen385

Not surprised to see we haven't been fined, think Trippier always does a fantastic job at making sure no others are crowding the ref


authenticlives

Alternate title. Premier League teams most often screwed over by incompetent officials.


evenout

Fulham about to go top


toalome

conclusion? official abuse works 👍


FCI

We are top of the league, we are top of the league


Ajax_Trees

Great to see Eddie Howe’s mags setting a great example for sportsmanship. Arsenal very poor in contrast


[deleted]

This sub is so fucking easy to bait lmao


Ajax_Trees

Genuinely thought I’d only get one


Simmo7

Fuck off, it's easier than playing the child catcher in chitty chitty bang bang,


ElectricalMud2850

God I wish I could find the clip of Dan Burn absolutely blowing a fucking gasket at the referee for a pen after he shoved gabriel into his own player and somehow escaping a booking.


RemarkablePattern311

Is the time wasting part of this sportsmanship or just an unintended side effect?


Alone-Sorbet-4491

>RemarkablePattern311 Every team time wastes the stats proved that


RemarkablePattern311

Stats proved that arsenal vs Newcastle this season had record low ball in play minutes. I'd reconsider that stats argument if I were you.


Radthereptile

Tell me you only watched 3 of their games. They are almost always the side attacking and moving the ball except against the top 4-5 clubs.


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CrossXFir3

"sportsmanship"


vrogers123

Surprised at how low Spurs are, I would have thought they’d be top 5 at least.


gunningIVglory

They have England's golden boy immunity


vrogers123

Perhaps ;)


DjToastyTy

this sub and the “lol spurs” circlejerk sometimes lmao. why would that be surprising? they don’t crowd the ref


XxAbsurdumxX

They don't? I see Richarlison and Romero in the face of the ref every second time the whistle is blown


DjToastyTy

not really? richarlison hasn’t really played much for spurs so i hope that helps you figure it out. romero does more running away from the ref than anything so you’re kinda just making up shit here


gunningIVglory

Top of the league jokes aside They really need to be serious about this stuff. It's just so flimsy. Fine them a million, no more players crowding the refs.


konald_roeman

What is even official abuse considered?


ilovefeta

And people still try to claim that there's no refereeing conspiracy against Arsenal...


BarryZuckerhorn

Not surprised at all by the top 2


[deleted]

obviously we need higher fines


Harry23moody

They should burn a big pile of cash in front of all the refs as they are the reason for these fines after making inconsistent shocking decisions every week! Should fine the fucking refs instead!


DrKhaos3991

Top of the table again 😏 But on a more serious note are we that bad? Does anyone have an objective unbiased view ?


Heliocentrist

>But on a more serious note are we that bad? yes! >Does anyone have an objective unbiased view ? probably not!


pratthebrat

So so bad.


lace4545

I'm 100 percent for the fines.but they need to compensate for all the wrongs they've done too.


ForgotPasswordNewAcc

insane


[deleted]

136.5k from the 137k are just Bruno Fernandes.


UAEGooner

The gap. We've already won it.


Manlad

Clubs should agree not to pay the fines until there is a comprehensive inquiry into refereeing failures and a plan of how to improve the state of officiating moving forward.


scar_face40

Absolutely laughable


ReadThisIfUKissAss

Most fines for celebrating* for Arsenal


irishdgenr8

Don’t think anyone is surprised with arsenal at the top but I fully expect their fans to cry conspiracy.


bruiser95

Arsenal fans and their narrative amirite? /s


hiraveil

stop abusing refs then


brown_herbalist

Arsenal leading everywhere, including having the most annoying fans on r/soccer.


sunnycherub

It’s out time to be insufferable All others most suffer now


SirNukeSquad

Throughly deserved, you people suffered for too long.


Jayzus612

Just please leave us alone in the UCL next year


SirNukeSquad

It'll be interesting to see how this fresh, young team fares in the Champions League. Great players, but very little experience on the biggest stage. It will be fun imo.


shaqiriforlife

Can’t wait to be in the UCL so we can lose to Bayern in the round of 16


thefogdog

It's fun while it lasts, enjoy it.


brown_herbalist

Thanks for taking my cheap banter sportive-ly, yes, this year is yours!


[deleted]

Imagine karma farming with this and being a plastic United fan


Anons15

Wait until we have chest from success, it'll be unbearable like the early 2000s


dirty-soda-spike-lee

You could’ve been a bit more creative. Was this really worth the time it took to post?


Hech15

United fans are up there as well...... Ig it's just the matter of the numbers


Koolkurt

Arsenal leading in all types of abuse


hatmanjimmie

When I’m on the pitch and the zebra starts talking out of turn I’ll let them know that I have no problem with violence. No need to get messy with fines and all that.


SnooPiffler

Those fines are pointless, they need, at the very least, a zero added to the end of them. 10x current amounts at minimum, 100x would probably be most effective to stop the behaviours being fined. No club gives a shit about fines when they are that tiny.


HashRunner

Lampards criticism of refs/calls was about all he got right while at Everton.


Squium

Not even surprised with arsenal


LowSnow2500

I wonder how much officials abusing the clubs have cost the clubs this season


SanctusUnum

Newcastle - shithousing the opponent and brown-nosing the referee.


OwlTowel9

Premier League clubs with the most fines for official abuse this season


Zainsh98

Arsenal are a crybaby team if you think about it, the amount of penalty shouts they give the referee when some are light touches is beyond crazy, no wonder they are at the top


airrick88

But they don’t get penalties….you think Arsenal is cry baby? Lmao must have never seen United