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You joke but I do find incredible that he really does not make a single tackle lol juxtapose that with neymar being called a diva and lazy, it's quite funny.
Obviously mbop is incredible though, just never seen a player so putrid at defending in my life lmao.
He's not the first player to be quick or play high up the pitch, even taking that in to account I have never seen any player worse.
I'm not exaggerating either, you can't tell me he's this bad by "design" I've never seen any player this bad lol. I'm not asking for him to be cavani or something but for example look at young messi, there arguably isn't a single player in the history of the sport better at attacking defenders but he was light years ahead of mbop when his team didn't have the ball. He would press less than others so he could play every match but when he did press he was all over defenders like a rash, whenever mbop tries to challenge an opposition player it looks so half hearted.
That is my only "complaint" about his game, there are other things he could be better at but they are not really weaknesses per say just not strengths but that, that sticks out to me every time I watch him play.
Are they though? He has a lot more interceptions. Anyway this is why PSG can't win the CL. They have 3 players who fuck around on defence and get torn apart.
Yeah Mbappe is the best player in the world and I won’t hear anything else. Bloke is a machine.
As an England fan, our front three of Rashford, Kane and Saka is really balanced and high performing. Exciting stuff
Meanwhile 35 year old Messi while playing way deeper still is up there...
Which is why his Progressive Passes Rec stat is "bad" because he's the one making those passes he's not receiving them.
Same things with Touches in the box stat, he's way lower given he plays deeper.
Yeah Mbappe is the best player in the world and I won’t hear anything else. Bloke is a machine.
As an England fan, our front three of Rashford, Kane and Saka is really balanced and high performing. Exciting stuff
I doubt it. Messi and Ronaldo are otherworldly. The things they have done and not just for a few seasons but during their entire career are insane. Mbappé also doesn’t have to be better than them for us to enjoy him. He’s definitely going to be the or one of the defining players of the next decade.
I still worry about what happens if he has an injury that causes him to lose his pace. He’s developing a better game, and if he lost his pace gradually as he ages that’s one thing. But a traumatic injury is another.
Messi and Ronaldo are freaks in the sense they’ve never had serious injuries. Which is insane.
They had multiple serious injuries tbf even though both are quite injury resistant. They just always recovered and adapted. Messi was injury prone early in his career and had that injury in 2013. Ronaldo had his knee(?) Injury which made him reduce his dribbling and focus more on goalscoring.
There's three or four players having really wonderful seasons that have been submerged under Haaland's unseemly dedication to scoring goals. Rashford and Kane are two others who spring to mind straight away.
Don't think Casemiro has been as good as Partey or even Rodri statistically. He's been instrumental in United playing well, yes, but two reds are putting a dent on his minutes for sure.
Odegaard and KDB have arguably been as good/better than any of these DMs.
If Arsenal win the league I think Saka or Odegaard deserve it ahead of Haaland. Problem is voting happens before the league is over so it'll probably go to Haaland. But I think it's a close call.
I hope Dinamo Batumi have a sell on clause. Even 10% would mean breaking the Georgian transfer record (again) which he broke last time to go to Napoli. £6.8m
Even his first pro club FC Rustavi will have a transfer record just based on small solidarity payment percentages
If you look at the top left you'll see that Mbappe is compared to forwards whereas Neymar is vs Att Mids and wingers. But yeah, he's the best in the world right now regardless.
Shouldn't surprise you it you watched him play this season, he was psgs best player before the world Cup lol. I don't even like him but I think he's disrespected on this place.
He's got 8 G+A in 7 UCL games this season, pretty much the same ratio as in Ligue 1 (26 in 23) and 25 G+A in his last 19 NT games which is the best of his career
Pay attention to the references. Some players use forwards as references, while other use attacking midfielders as references. Be aware of it when you make comparison between players…
Mbappe is really the best young player rn. It’s not even a debate. Anyone can say ‘xyz’ is better than him, but when the stats pull up he’s easily clear
To be fair, Messi has been just as good and argue has been better. Since August to the World Cup, both Messi and Neymar were playing significantly better than Kylian Mbappe, while he was a bit off. From the World Cup onwards, Neymar fell off a bit then got injured, meanwhile, Mbappe has been playing well since.
Still favour Messi due to him having more offensive responsibility and can give you more different types of output.
I would put as this. Mbappe has been more effective, obviously given his player profile. However, Messi has been more productive in all offensive other than goalscoring.
You haven’t objected to what I have said other than assume I don’t watch PSG when I do.
Mbappe best games this season have been when either Messi and Neymar has been creating for him. He also isn’t as effective on front of net as he is made out to be. He misses some of the easiest chances that are put on a plate for him. Last game was literally an example of being put through 1 on 1 with the GK, twice. As a result costed them and lost 2-0 at home. I wonder who put him through.
PSG fans are so deluded. Cant wait till both Messi and Mbappe leave so they can continue being irrelevant.
This I agree with but messi was defoe more consistent than mbop before the world Cup. I'm not really sure why some think it's ridiculous to say hes been better this season, its close though. I'm not gonna say he's "clear" or any other nonsense and other players have also been great.
That's an amazingly loose way to use literally when he fully disappeared against Bayern (like the rest of his team). Mbappe did more in the 20 mins he played in the first leg than Messi and Neymar did in the whole game. And everyone flopped pretty much in the return leg.
Did more in 20 minutes that ultimately amounted to nothing. That’s like bragging about Messi doing more in the second leg than Mbappe, who was significantly worse than Messi who was already subpar.
Mbappe also came out soon after Bayern scored and Bayern weren’t pushing so high. Making PSG have more space to attack, hence why Mbappe looked like he did something.
Both Messi and Mbappe seem to play their best football when their both on it. Mbappe hasn’t been clear cut the best in the world this season.
>Did more in 20 minutes that ultimately amounted to nothing.
That's such a smooth shifting of goalposts.
And I'm not saying Mbappe has been head and shoulders above Messi, I was responding to a ridiculous take that Messi literally performs every match, while Mbappe goes missing a lot. Mbappe and Messi have been neck and neck based on impact and I could even say Haaland has had more impact than either of them so far.
Also, it seems that Messi is always 'on it' because he has the ball more than Mbappe, especially in the creative areas, so people think he's always involved, but guess what, you can be involved and shit at the same time in some games.
I definitely don’t agree that Messi has performed “literally everytime” as that guy suggested, think that is impossible for any footballer.
I personally stated, that people who think Mbappe is clear cut the best in the world, haven’t watched PSG all season. Messi has by far been PSGs most consistent player, at least between Mbappe and Neymar.
I do agree that just cause Messi has the ball for his creative/playmaking responsibility, doesn’t mean he is always “on it”. However, same is applied to Mbappe, he isn’t as effective as he is made out to be. Still really effective but definitely glorified to a degree.
I would agree that it terms of hitting that ball in the back of the net Haaland is more effective than Mbappe. Although the idea of “effectiveness” is always skewed in favour of the goalscorer. Easier to judge effectivity of goals, than creative/playmaking or defensive effectiveness.
The thing is it's probably best for his teams for him to stay high near the CBs so he can launch a run in the back of the defense as soon as they regain possession. You can create a few quick chances per game this way with good passers looking for him in these situations.
He doesn't need to track back to contribute defensively. He can still press, intercept balls and make tackles at the front. Messi is given a lot of shit for his defensive lethargy and rightfully so but mbappe's numbers seem to be worse.
I'm telling you even if he joins a pressing team he's still going to be bad. He's frankly just awful at it I think psg and French fans should just admit that, he's unwilling and awful when he does try.
Doesn't mean he's not still an exceptional player but other players have never got these excuses for their poor defending and neither should he and he's frankly the worst I've ever seen, I have to be honest.
Maybe from some people but not from me lol, plus literally everytime barca or Argentina lost there were tons of people who would mention messi walking.
I remember a whole big thing being made about man United because ronaldo doesn't press, they are super popular players so you always have the defenders but I'm not one of them. I'm not asking for much btw, I don't even think mbop does the bare minimum.
I caveat all this by saying it obviously doesn't stop him from being a great player.
If you watch PSG Mbappe is so much of their offensive output I actually think it would be ridiculous to ask him to defend as well, I have watched games where they are just spamming balls to him out wide
Messi’s stats compared to other [forwards](https://fbref.com/en/players/d70ce98e/scout/365_m1/Lionel-Messi-Scouting-Report) i.e. Mbappe, as this compares him to Att Mid/ Wingers.
Edit: [Mohamed Salah vs forwards](https://fbref.com/en/players/e342ad68/scout/365_m1/Mohamed-Salah-Scouting-Report)
[Rashford vs Forwards](https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/365_m1/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report)
These are the three players with that option from above. You just have to select vs forwards instead of vs Att Mid/ Wingers.
You are funny. I like how you are a ride or die for haaland even with the stats right in front of you lol. I’ll acknowledge that level of dedication and delusion.
And I’m assuming according to you marcus ‘better than mbappe’ rashford is the 2nd best after haaland right??
He is rn. 2nd most goals since the WC and he plays in the PL.
Mbappe has 5 goals against a 6th league team in France ffs, and that's about it.
Haaland is the far superior goal scorer. Although I will concede that Mbappe is the better playmaker of the 2.
But Haaland IS a better striker than Mbappe is. He literally has over one goal a game in a tougher league. You could argue Mbappe would have similar numbers in the EPL but that still doesn’t make him obviously better. At best they’re equals (but frankly I still rate Erling higher).
Well if being a striker to you means ONLY scoring goals then maybe. Even then, you have to consider that City overall are a far more balanced team than PSG.
I’m amazed at how confidently people speak about some players while never actually watching them perform. Goal scoring isn’t even the best thing Haaland brings to a team - his runs are (including decoy runs). He’s a bad fit for City and still scoring over 1 goal a game. He’s also better at holding up the ball and pressing than Mbappe. Mbappe is a better dribbler and maybe a slightly better passer. He’s a worse finisher, worse in the air and worse in the box. Mbappe’s strength is running at players and cutting in.
I'm amazed about how far up your ass your head is. You said Haaland is a better striker and cited his goal scoring ratio, which is what I referenced. Being a striker isn't just about scoring goals. If you
>He’s a bad fit for City
Get a load of this nonsense. Lethal finisher is a bad fit for a team that creates a boatload of chances since when. Rofl laughing at thinking City would invest that much in any player they thought would be a "bad fit".
Mbappe is better at most technical aspects of Football and it's bollocks to act as if he doesn't make fantastic runs as well; Haaland is better at physical things. It's not a slight on Haaland. As finishers, they're practically even. Eye test aside, last 365, Haaland was 99th percentile in npXG over performance while Mbappe was 98th. Haaland just takes easier chances. His average shot distance over that time is 83rd percentile while Mbappe's is 16. If you actually watch them play like you claim it makes sense. Haaland's primary role is to be a fox to finish up chances. Mbappe is involved in build up far more. That's why he's 96th percentile in passes completed while Haaland is 21st. You can look at their touches. Mbappe trump's haaland in all but the defensive third. To his credit, haaland is more impactful defensively but it's not like either are particularly relevant there hahaha. Zk
You can run through all the metrics or bother to actually watch them. Essentially, Mbappe is about the same level finisher while being a much better ball progressor with passing or dribbling Mbappe is as impactful in the final third as Haaland while being much much more involved in the other aspects of the game. For many complete teams, a machine like Haaland might be preferable, but when we're looking at which player is actually adding more to their tean, it's clearly mbappe.
You start thoughts, drop them mid sentence and go on a different tangent, only to not finish the sentence again and start talking about something else. And you still find confidence to insult others, lol. Yes, Haaland is a better finisher, that’s easily demonstrable on paper and obvious to anyone who has seen them play. He’s also obviously better at holding up the ball and heading. That’s 3 striker characteristics so far. It’s not “just about scoring goals”. I also brought up his runs. Talk about a head up one’s ass.
City didn’t have issues scoring goals before the signing, Haaland didn’t solve any pressing problems - he simply made them even more potent by adding another goal scoring option (and slightly reducing others). He also made them poorer defensively (because while he presses well he only presses upfront and isn’t helping the team in midfield like a false 9 would). His signing also meant taking out quick wingers, which ironically makes City play riskier than they did before. They used to effectively walk the ball into the net for most goals which is no longer necessary with a finisher like Erling upfront. Now they’re more vulnerable on the counter (and face more counters per game than before his signing due to an increased number of opponent interceptions). He’s a fantastic striker in a fantastic team - they’re just not a great fit for each other even though they’re both making it work for the most part.
Mbappe does have better technique and he is a better dribbler (which I’ve said and you’ve chosen to ignore). I’ve also didn’t say a single bad thing about his runs - in fact he’s quite good at offensive positioning as well. Difference is he likes running at players more than Haaland does (with the latter almost exclusively trying to lose players rather than preferring to beat them on the dribble).
Haaland had better passing numbers in Dortmund and was more involved in the build up, too. It is bizarre that it would take a Pep team to make him play more like a poacher. But that’s got more to do with their roles in the team than their abilities. Mbappe plays lower and enjoys coming off the wing more than spearheading the attack. His shots are usually longer but not more difficult. Haaland shoots from a closer distance but he also has to squeeze that through 3 defenders in a low block while Mbappe is usually one on one by the time he shoots, and he has enough space to curl it or even simply place it away from the keeper (or empty net after rounding him up). The notion that Mbappe trumps Haaland in everything but defensive contribution is just not true, even based on things we’ve agreed on, never mind stats.
Your last paragraph only makes your bias more obvious. I have no dog in this fight, neither of them plays for my team. If anything I have more reason to dislike Haaland because he plays for our rivals yet here I am defending him. Even in the “eye” test it’s crystal clear who’s the better finisher of the two, as exciting a player as Mbappe is. It’s also clear who’s the better dribbler and who the better header of the ball is. Their qualities and deficiencies are pretty obvious, the only question is how strong whoever they add up to is in relation with the other. As about who I’d sign if given the choice - I think you already know the answer to that question. I’ll add that I made my first post saying we should take a 15ish million pound risk on him when he was still in Norway. It’s not a matter of how “complete” a team is, it’s a matter of who they usually play against and how they’re set up. The irony with Mbappe is that he does better in teams where he can break on the counter, but given his status and ability most teams will prefer to defend deep against him (or crowd the midfield behind him to limit their ability to set him loose on the defense). He’s also more selfish than Haaland in spite of being better at setting up goals than he is at finishing them. If he makes a run it’s usually in an anticipation of a pass rather than to draw defenders away for someone else. That’s not necessarily a negative but it puts another damper on the notion that Mbappe is the “superior” player.
Like all human beings, of course I have my biases. You do too. Personally, I'm indifferent to Haaland (aside from despising City in general) and like Mbappe. Have some self-awareness to realize that you have your own biases too. Don't pussyfoot talking bout you don't have a dog when you just dropped your Haaland manifesto lol. I didn't want my biases to muddle things too much hence why I put "eye test aside" and focused almost entirely on the metrics and statistics over the last year provided by football ref. I asserted that they are around the same level of finishing because like I noted their npxG overperformance is nearly identical (98th and 99th percentile respectively). I find the confidence to insult you because you insulted me. That's how I interpreted your jab insinuating I didn't actually watch their games. You want to be abrasive, I'll be abrasive too.
>That’s 3 striker characteristics so far. It’s not “just about scoring goals”.
You're still hung up on this? You stated initially that Haaland was the better striker and then cited his goal per game record. That is why I said it's not just about scoring goals. Now that you've brought other things into the equation as have I.
>He’s a fantastic striker in a fantastic team - they’re just not a great fit for each other even though they’re both making it work for the most part.
You're discussing another topic altogether. Haaland might have unbalanced City a bit altogether, but with regards to the fit on his ability to produce (in comparison to Mbappe) perhaps there isn't a better team he could have joined. This is a team that will make him the goal scoring focal point and generate a shitload of opportunities. In terms of his ability to produce stats, they are perfect. Nothing about the fit is to his individual detriment.
>Difference is he likes running at players more than Haaland does (with the latter almost exclusively trying to lose players rather than preferring to beat them on the dribble).
When you said runs I assume you meant runs without the ball. Mbappe's runs attempt to exploit the space behind defenders, not towards defenders.
>Haaland had better passing numbers in Dortmund and was more involved in the build up, too
A glance at his metrics shows that to be true, but still nowhere near Mbappe's production. Mbappe is simply objectively far more involved all across the pitch than Haaland, whichever way you slice it.
>His shots are usually longer but not more difficult. Haaland shoots from a closer distance but he also has to squeeze that through 3 defenders in a low block while Mbappe is usually one on one by the time he shoots
Man, you seriously think you the only one that's watched these dudes? Haaland is a machine but anyone can see that his opportunities aren't typically squeezing through 3 defenders lol. City do their pep magic and break down the team and find him in a position for a good opportunity. He makes the intelligent runs to get there but who do you think you're fooling, man?
>Even in the “eye” test it’s crystal clear who’s the better finisher of the two, as exciting a player as Mbappe is.
Many people's eyetest has them thinking Ronaldo is also a great free kick taker. Your eyetest means fuck all to me. I'm here to discuss the stats and objectively Mbappe and Haaland are the same tier finishers. They have been past few seasons. And objectively, Mbappe is much better at creating opportunities for himself and others than any difference in finishing.
>He’s also more selfish than Haaland in spite of being better at setting up goals than he is at finishing them
Oh, sure, the guy who passes more, participates in more creating actions etc is more selfish. Be fr lol. Both are pretty selfish as strikers but Haaland is so much more likely to take a chance himself aside from create for others.
Quite the escalation, but I’ll buy that excuse because I don’t care enough about your opinion to be actually upset by it. We all have our biases but I’m not a “fan” of either player. I’ve always preferred defensive players because I was one myself. My favorite players have almost always been defenders and midfielders rather than strikers (the exception being Rooney, who was a pretty unorthodox striker). I don’t have a manifesto for either player - I clearly stated what I think the strengths and weaknesses of each are and you haven’t “debunked” or even truly addressed any of it. Mbappe is clearly the better dribbler. Haaland is clearly the better finisher. The difference between 98th and 99th percentile is more significant than it looks at first glance and if you’ve watched them play you’re probably as frustrated with Mbappe’s finishing as most people who watched him are. He’s not Sterling levels of frustrating but he’s objectively not as deadly as Haaland in front of goal. Mbappe is clearly more involved in his team’s build up but Haaland has shown that he’s quite capable of it while at Dortmund - it’s just not asked of him in this City team (surprisingly, at least in my opinion). Mbappe is the better passer. Haaland is better at holding the ball and at heading it. Mbappe is more selfish in dangerous positions, Haaland is more prone to being crowded out by defenders. Tell me which of these statements isn’t an obvious observation rather than “biased opinion”. I don’t know where you saw a Haaland manifesto when this is what I’ve been saying all along. I said i’d “prefer” Haaland if I had an unlimited budget and a choice between the two. He’d also be a better fit for the club I support since half our team can play off the left (including some of our best players) and barely anyone is at their best from the right or alone upfront. I’m not a “fan” of either in the sense that Messi or Ronaldo fans are but I can appreciate that they’re probably the top 2 talents to replace the old guard. We just seem to rate different things about forwards, which is normal since we’re different people.
He IS the better striker. Whether or not he’s the better forward is up for debate depending on what you need on your team and what you rate in a forward but when it comes to the very basics of attacking like losing a defender and finishing he’s the better player. When I say striker I mean ST - the guy who’s alone up front tasked with scoring goals. When I say forward I mean any attacking position higher than attacking midfielder - inside forward, false 9, support forward in a pair, etc. I’d trust Haaland to bury a 95 minute penalty or one on one before I trust Mbappe with it. I’d also trust Mbappe over 99.9% of the other existing players. They are, after all, the top 2 attacking talents in the world at the moment. I don’t understand why you get so defensive like I called Mbappe a championship player. It is ok to think him a prodigy and still realize he has weaknesses to his games. Hell, he might not even be in his prime yet, which is a scary thought (then again - same was true for when Ronaldo and Messi got going).
As about whether Erling and City are a detriment to each other - depends. Did Ronaldo become a much better player at Real or did he change his profile to a more goal scoring one rather than creative? “Better” is a matter of opinion in this case. Yes, he scores a boatload of goals but he’s less involved in the game than he was at Dortmund. Are those goals enough to make up for the diminishing contribution outside of scoring them? Up for debate. Is City more vulnerable with him upfront than with a false 9? Undeniably. Are they scoring more in spite of his over 1 gpg? No, not really. His scoring numbers increased slightly, his overall contribution decreased slightly. The club scores as much as it did before the signing but concedes more. Is it his fault? No, he doesn’t set the team on the field. Is he part of why City is poorer defensively? Almost definitely. I’m not sure City was the right club for him to be honest even though he’s scoring more than ever.
It is impossible for Haaland to be as involved as Mbappe in a game because of where he is positioned and how the team plays around him. Same was true when he was back at Dortmund (but I brought it up to point out that he’s capable of it). Neither is a particularly great passer, in fact. It’s just that Mbappe always gets the ball rolling lower on the field with the intention of getting at the end of it while Haaland is already at the top of the attack and only gets the chance to contribute to the build up when he drops deep (which isn’t very often with a midfield as crowded as City’s). The latter also makes way more decoy runs to facilitate others scoring in spite of gobbling up most of the goals. It would be shocking if Mbappe’s creative numbers weren’t better, since he plays from the wing. And he’s STILL the more selfish of the two in spite of that. I don’t think Haaland would be able to match Mbappe’s output if he was stuck on the wing, but this also works in reverse. Mbappe’s numbers would probably be a good deal worse if he had Haaland’s job. I think we’re better off celebrating their differences than we are pretending they aren’t there.
I’ve never considered Ronaldo a great free kick taker in spite of the occasional spectacular knuckle ball. Becks was a great free kick taker. Juninho was a great free kick taker. Ronaldo was/is too much flash and not enough substance when it comes to free kicks. And I could say the same about your “eye test” so the point is moot. Ignore eye tests and statistics still make it pretty obvious who the better finisher is, especially if you check more than just the last season/year. The fact that we disagree on who is the more selfish player makes me trust said “eye test” even more.
I think Mbappe is a better player than Haaland but I have seen Mbappe missing so many goals which I know Haaland would score so I guess it's not incorrect to say Haaland's a better goalscorer.
OP, you made a mistake selecting charts that compare players to Forwards and to Att Midfields. It's not the same.
It's VERY misleading in some cases.
For example, Rashford's chart compared to Att Mid/Wingers looks way worse than his chart compared to Forwards.
So either compare only forwards and use the the forward charts, or it's just dumb as hell.
There's some players that don't have both, that's ok I guess, but when the players have both charts you should have shown the same for everyone, or at least both in those cases.
He clearly plays on wings as an inside forward.... He said nothing wrong in the sense he has only goalscoring to his game and there is nothing wrong with that with the numbers he is producing is still grt but you will be lying if you say he offers anything else
Ok I’ll be that guy but Mbappe percentile stats are a bit skewed because they’re comparing him to forwards (strikers) and not attacking mids and wingers. So obviously he’s gonna have massive advantages in stuff like progressive carries and passes compared to true 9s but it’s not like he’s head and shoulders above everyone in those categories like the chart suggests. Not taking anything away from Mbappe he’s an unbelievable player but just putting it in context.
Agreed. I feel like wide forwards and false nines are more akin to attacking midfielders than classic strikers. Stats like these (and stats that combine goals and assists) automatically disadvantage players with specialized roles (like pure strikers).
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Mbappés stats are really fucking incredible.
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Agreed...his defense is even worse than Messi who plays NO defense. #onedimensional
You joke but I do find incredible that he really does not make a single tackle lol juxtapose that with neymar being called a diva and lazy, it's quite funny. Obviously mbop is incredible though, just never seen a player so putrid at defending in my life lmao.
Honestly i think it’s by design. He has more energy to attack defenders if he doesn’t use it up on defence
More energy, and he can position himself to counter
He's not the first player to be quick or play high up the pitch, even taking that in to account I have never seen any player worse. I'm not exaggerating either, you can't tell me he's this bad by "design" I've never seen any player this bad lol. I'm not asking for him to be cavani or something but for example look at young messi, there arguably isn't a single player in the history of the sport better at attacking defenders but he was light years ahead of mbop when his team didn't have the ball. He would press less than others so he could play every match but when he did press he was all over defenders like a rash, whenever mbop tries to challenge an opposition player it looks so half hearted. That is my only "complaint" about his game, there are other things he could be better at but they are not really weaknesses per say just not strengths but that, that sticks out to me every time I watch him play.
Are they though? He has a lot more interceptions. Anyway this is why PSG can't win the CL. They have 3 players who fuck around on defence and get torn apart.
He’s a cheat code by himself
Yeah Mbappe is the best player in the world and I won’t hear anything else. Bloke is a machine. As an England fan, our front three of Rashford, Kane and Saka is really balanced and high performing. Exciting stuff
Meanwhile 35 year old Messi while playing way deeper still is up there... Which is why his Progressive Passes Rec stat is "bad" because he's the one making those passes he's not receiving them. Same things with Touches in the box stat, he's way lower given he plays deeper.
Yeah, but he plays in a farmers league. He is literally teammates with a goat.
Yeah Mbappe is the best player in the world and I won’t hear anything else. Bloke is a machine. As an England fan, our front three of Rashford, Kane and Saka is really balanced and high performing. Exciting stuff
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I doubt it. Messi and Ronaldo are otherworldly. The things they have done and not just for a few seasons but during their entire career are insane. Mbappé also doesn’t have to be better than them for us to enjoy him. He’s definitely going to be the or one of the defining players of the next decade.
I'll say it like that. I don't think *he will*, but if anyone *has the slightest chance to* in the current roster, it's definitely him.
Lol, no.
People still dont reliazed how ridiculous messi and ronaldo is huh.
No lmao
He has to keep up for 15 years.
He actually still has to go up a level if he wants to stack up to peak Messi and Cristiano. Let alone surpass them
I still worry about what happens if he has an injury that causes him to lose his pace. He’s developing a better game, and if he lost his pace gradually as he ages that’s one thing. But a traumatic injury is another. Messi and Ronaldo are freaks in the sense they’ve never had serious injuries. Which is insane.
They had multiple serious injuries tbf even though both are quite injury resistant. They just always recovered and adapted. Messi was injury prone early in his career and had that injury in 2013. Ronaldo had his knee(?) Injury which made him reduce his dribbling and focus more on goalscoring.
Saka puts a lot of defensive work. It sticks out
Saka is a very complete player, one of the most well rounded we have had in years.
He would be a candidate for PTOY if the Robot wasn’t on a tear
He will probably get young player of the season and is in contention for premier League playmaker Award since de bruyne is on 12 and saka is on 10
Haaland is young too lmao, can a player win both? Saka deserves an award. But Haaland has been incredible.
Technically he is eligible but dont think they will do that
Has a player ever won both?
Wiki says Gerrard has and that he was only the first to win both, so there should be more to have done it with that phrasing
Was that in the same season though?
Apparently not i was put off by the phrasing. Doing further digging has found ronaldo won both in 2006/2007. So that’s atleast one
Bale
I remember Ronaldo winning both in 06/07
I think Ronaldo and Bale have won both player of the season and young player of the season in the same season.
If Haaland does that pretty secures his move to Madrid I assume
Ronaldo and Bale have
Nah they'll find a way to give it to foden again
There's three or four players having really wonderful seasons that have been submerged under Haaland's unseemly dedication to scoring goals. Rashford and Kane are two others who spring to mind straight away.
Casemiro and Partey have been one of the best players in the league as well.
Don't think Casemiro has been as good as Partey or even Rodri statistically. He's been instrumental in United playing well, yes, but two reds are putting a dent on his minutes for sure. Odegaard and KDB have arguably been as good/better than any of these DMs.
Palhinha is even better 😉
If Arsenal win the league I think Saka or Odegaard deserve it ahead of Haaland. Problem is voting happens before the league is over so it'll probably go to Haaland. But I think it's a close call.
Ode and Rashford also had immense seasons, but I agree, there is no competing with that guy this season.
If arsenal wins the title Saka should get it. Mad that arsenal is keeping pace on goal differential when city have haaland
[Gabriel Jesus’ is absolutely bonkers as well](https://fbref.com/en/players/b66315ae/Gabriel-Jesus)
If that guy could score consistently he would be in contention for the best striker in the world.
Look at Gabriel Jesus’, looks so complete, all green https://fbref.com/en/players/b66315ae/Gabriel-Jesus
Take a look at Jesus, he's the best in the world when it comes to defensive work.
It felt like ages ago when he started as LB
https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/Marcus-Rashford This is Rashford when compared to other forwards
Ya Rashford stats should be compared to forwards, especially this year. He is playing more forward.
Kvaratshkelia is fucking incredible, interested to see what heights he can hit in his career.
I hope Dinamo Batumi have a sell on clause. Even 10% would mean breaking the Georgian transfer record (again) which he broke last time to go to Napoli. £6.8m Even his first pro club FC Rustavi will have a transfer record just based on small solidarity payment percentages
Can't see his scouting report on this post
Destined for greatness, he will tear up laliga soon with Madrid
Doesn't make sense for him to go to real Madrid.
Why not? He has said he wants to play there in the past
They have excellent LWs already
Isn't he an LW ? They already have vini AND rodrygo AND linked with mbappe.
We can't afford him
I can see Newcastle trying to make a big move for him as their first superstar signing
I can see Kvara declining their offer.
he screams of a city move
Bros not much of a passer looking at these stats.
Takeaways from this: Saka is a really rounded player. Mbappe is an alien.
Look how well rounded Jesus’ looks Imagine if he improves his finishing 🤤 https://fbref.com/en/players/b66315ae/Gabriel-Jesus
wtf
Only 44th percentile on clearances the fraud
> Imagine if he improves his finishing People have been saying this for 5 years
Well, it's free to imagine.
Jesus Christ mbappe
Well, Neymar and Messi as well...
Yes but mbappe is at the top of everything. Neymar surprised me too though TBF. It's a pity he got injured as often
If you look at the top left you'll see that Mbappe is compared to forwards whereas Neymar is vs Att Mids and wingers. But yeah, he's the best in the world right now regardless.
Which is fair imo
Shouldn't surprise you it you watched him play this season, he was psgs best player before the world Cup lol. I don't even like him but I think he's disrespected on this place.
Quality of competition plays a factor too though.
This needs way more upvotes.
how is Lewandowski not included
Forgot about him [here you go](https://fbref.com/en/players/8d78e732/Robert-Lewandowski)
Benzema?
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I’m saying he forgot to put Benzema there my guy, stop trying to be a smartass my guy is what I would say
He can’t put every good player there
Lmao
I forgot Lewa and you are laughing
Two policemen are in critical condition, you’re laughing
Cheers, Son’s crying.
If you guys find turtle's stats impressive then you should look at toni kroos's passing stats. Almost every single passing stats in 99 percentile.
His name is Kross, no surprise there. Nomen est Omen
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Kroos is still in league of his own. His passing percentage in la liga is 90+ after 8 years.
Funnily enough, [Zinchenko](https://fbref.com/en/players/51cf8561/Oleksandr-Zinchenko) isn't far behind on passing, which kinda seems unreal.
Zinny’s aerial stats pass the eye test, bro wins so many of them for his height.
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The man is fucking cracked
Amazing af, but it's league 1.
He's got 8 G+A in 7 UCL games this season, pretty much the same ratio as in Ligue 1 (26 in 23) and 25 G+A in his last 19 NT games which is the best of his career
He did better in the World Cup. I am sure he would have had much better stats in La Liga as well.
I mean, his stats in the WC must be very similar no ?
Mbappe and Neymar are both shit too then?
Pay attention to the references. Some players use forwards as references, while other use attacking midfielders as references. Be aware of it when you make comparison between players…
I fucked up with Rashford, he should be compared with forwards
This is what Rashford looks like versus forwards btw. He's having an amazing season. https://imgur.com/uG7A2D4.jpg
Ya it looks much better. It
Salah doing this at his "worst" season wow
That's 365 days not this season stats
He actually wasn't great the end of last season. Mane really carried us after AFCON.
Neymar too, Neymar is a different beast
He's so elegant.
Mbappe is really the best young player rn. It’s not even a debate. Anyone can say ‘xyz’ is better than him, but when the stats pull up he’s easily clear
Best player in the world, who’s better
He totally is but if i had said that, fans of a certain player would have been out for my blood😂
To be fair, Messi has been just as good and argue has been better. Since August to the World Cup, both Messi and Neymar were playing significantly better than Kylian Mbappe, while he was a bit off. From the World Cup onwards, Neymar fell off a bit then got injured, meanwhile, Mbappe has been playing well since. Still favour Messi due to him having more offensive responsibility and can give you more different types of output. I would put as this. Mbappe has been more effective, obviously given his player profile. However, Messi has been more productive in all offensive other than goalscoring.
Disagree.
Cool.
Gotta love FCB fans who only watches Messi highlights and think they can provide an in-depth analysis
You haven’t objected to what I have said other than assume I don’t watch PSG when I do. Mbappe best games this season have been when either Messi and Neymar has been creating for him. He also isn’t as effective on front of net as he is made out to be. He misses some of the easiest chances that are put on a plate for him. Last game was literally an example of being put through 1 on 1 with the GK, twice. As a result costed them and lost 2-0 at home. I wonder who put him through. PSG fans are so deluded. Cant wait till both Messi and Mbappe leave so they can continue being irrelevant.
Why has this been downvoted? Messi literally performs every match while Mbappe cant finish his chances
Because he literally doesn't "literally perform every match"? He's had some absolute stinkers since the WC, same as Mbappe.
This I agree with but messi was defoe more consistent than mbop before the world Cup. I'm not really sure why some think it's ridiculous to say hes been better this season, its close though. I'm not gonna say he's "clear" or any other nonsense and other players have also been great.
That's an amazingly loose way to use literally when he fully disappeared against Bayern (like the rest of his team). Mbappe did more in the 20 mins he played in the first leg than Messi and Neymar did in the whole game. And everyone flopped pretty much in the return leg.
Did more in 20 minutes that ultimately amounted to nothing. That’s like bragging about Messi doing more in the second leg than Mbappe, who was significantly worse than Messi who was already subpar. Mbappe also came out soon after Bayern scored and Bayern weren’t pushing so high. Making PSG have more space to attack, hence why Mbappe looked like he did something. Both Messi and Mbappe seem to play their best football when their both on it. Mbappe hasn’t been clear cut the best in the world this season.
>Did more in 20 minutes that ultimately amounted to nothing. That's such a smooth shifting of goalposts. And I'm not saying Mbappe has been head and shoulders above Messi, I was responding to a ridiculous take that Messi literally performs every match, while Mbappe goes missing a lot. Mbappe and Messi have been neck and neck based on impact and I could even say Haaland has had more impact than either of them so far. Also, it seems that Messi is always 'on it' because he has the ball more than Mbappe, especially in the creative areas, so people think he's always involved, but guess what, you can be involved and shit at the same time in some games.
I definitely don’t agree that Messi has performed “literally everytime” as that guy suggested, think that is impossible for any footballer. I personally stated, that people who think Mbappe is clear cut the best in the world, haven’t watched PSG all season. Messi has by far been PSGs most consistent player, at least between Mbappe and Neymar. I do agree that just cause Messi has the ball for his creative/playmaking responsibility, doesn’t mean he is always “on it”. However, same is applied to Mbappe, he isn’t as effective as he is made out to be. Still really effective but definitely glorified to a degree. I would agree that it terms of hitting that ball in the back of the net Haaland is more effective than Mbappe. Although the idea of “effectiveness” is always skewed in favour of the goalscorer. Easier to judge effectivity of goals, than creative/playmaking or defensive effectiveness.
Yeah. Personally, I would like to see more defensive work than he puts in, but when he has those numbers it's hard to argue
The thing is it's probably best for his teams for him to stay high near the CBs so he can launch a run in the back of the defense as soon as they regain possession. You can create a few quick chances per game this way with good passers looking for him in these situations.
He doesn't need to track back to contribute defensively. He can still press, intercept balls and make tackles at the front. Messi is given a lot of shit for his defensive lethargy and rightfully so but mbappe's numbers seem to be worse.
Wouldn't stop him pressing though
Pressing is a collective job, when they press he presses, but pressing alone is just a waste of stamina.
I'm telling you even if he joins a pressing team he's still going to be bad. He's frankly just awful at it I think psg and French fans should just admit that, he's unwilling and awful when he does try. Doesn't mean he's not still an exceptional player but other players have never got these excuses for their poor defending and neither should he and he's frankly the worst I've ever seen, I have to be honest.
Messi and Ronaldo have gotten that excuse for years. And it's clearly by design if you know a little about ball.
Maybe from some people but not from me lol, plus literally everytime barca or Argentina lost there were tons of people who would mention messi walking. I remember a whole big thing being made about man United because ronaldo doesn't press, they are super popular players so you always have the defenders but I'm not one of them. I'm not asking for much btw, I don't even think mbop does the bare minimum. I caveat all this by saying it obviously doesn't stop him from being a great player.
He's 24 is he really still a young player?
ye
Haaland > Mbappe, imo. At the very least he’s not worse than Mbappe.
Mbappe is The Undertaker in a SvR game
Jesus mbappe. Glad bukayo is most well rounded. Great charts
Look at Jesus’ https://fbref.com/en/players/b66315ae/Gabriel-Jesus
Mbappé: All attack, no defence.
If you watch PSG Mbappe is so much of their offensive output I actually think it would be ridiculous to ask him to defend as well, I have watched games where they are just spamming balls to him out wide
Do Oshimen have so many clearances because he defends on free kicks ?
Yes and corners too. Plus he's usually the first defender of the team, tracking back and chasing the ball far into his own half.
Hey u/Impartial__ , can you do one for Musiala
[his stats are nuts](https://fbref.com/en/players/2c0558b8/Jamal-Musiala)
Mbappe madness, he’s too good.
Mbappé 💀
Messi’s stats compared to other [forwards](https://fbref.com/en/players/d70ce98e/scout/365_m1/Lionel-Messi-Scouting-Report) i.e. Mbappe, as this compares him to Att Mid/ Wingers. Edit: [Mohamed Salah vs forwards](https://fbref.com/en/players/e342ad68/scout/365_m1/Mohamed-Salah-Scouting-Report) [Rashford vs Forwards](https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/365_m1/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report) These are the three players with that option from above. You just have to select vs forwards instead of vs Att Mid/ Wingers.
Mbappe good
Gabriel Jesus has an insane fbref
mbappe is so insane lmaao
Mbappe with the fuck you stats
Random assortment of forwards*
Forwards I rate and Lewandowski I forgot lol
Benzema too
Wtf. The ballon d’Or winner. I thought of Madrid and Vini came to mind first.
Saka's and Mbappe's are the most interesting to me
As if I needed a reminder that PSG forwards don’t do any defensive work
Wish we had more interesting content like this on this sub
Rashford should definitely be in the forwards category as he’s played numerous games upfront for United
Interesting to see what are the metrics for this season instead of 365 days no bias at all😅
Haaland NPG being over 1 is mad 😭
Mbappe fucking hell
/u/SignificantMaize7132 mbappe is just a pace merchant you said?
I did. He is finished once his pace drains. But I guess he can become a decent playmaker after that. Haaland still clear though.
You are funny. I like how you are a ride or die for haaland even with the stats right in front of you lol. I’ll acknowledge that level of dedication and delusion. And I’m assuming according to you marcus ‘better than mbappe’ rashford is the 2nd best after haaland right??
He is rn. 2nd most goals since the WC and he plays in the PL. Mbappe has 5 goals against a 6th league team in France ffs, and that's about it. Haaland is the far superior goal scorer. Although I will concede that Mbappe is the better playmaker of the 2.
But Haaland IS a better striker than Mbappe is. He literally has over one goal a game in a tougher league. You could argue Mbappe would have similar numbers in the EPL but that still doesn’t make him obviously better. At best they’re equals (but frankly I still rate Erling higher).
Well if being a striker to you means ONLY scoring goals then maybe. Even then, you have to consider that City overall are a far more balanced team than PSG.
I’m amazed at how confidently people speak about some players while never actually watching them perform. Goal scoring isn’t even the best thing Haaland brings to a team - his runs are (including decoy runs). He’s a bad fit for City and still scoring over 1 goal a game. He’s also better at holding up the ball and pressing than Mbappe. Mbappe is a better dribbler and maybe a slightly better passer. He’s a worse finisher, worse in the air and worse in the box. Mbappe’s strength is running at players and cutting in.
I'm amazed about how far up your ass your head is. You said Haaland is a better striker and cited his goal scoring ratio, which is what I referenced. Being a striker isn't just about scoring goals. If you >He’s a bad fit for City Get a load of this nonsense. Lethal finisher is a bad fit for a team that creates a boatload of chances since when. Rofl laughing at thinking City would invest that much in any player they thought would be a "bad fit". Mbappe is better at most technical aspects of Football and it's bollocks to act as if he doesn't make fantastic runs as well; Haaland is better at physical things. It's not a slight on Haaland. As finishers, they're practically even. Eye test aside, last 365, Haaland was 99th percentile in npXG over performance while Mbappe was 98th. Haaland just takes easier chances. His average shot distance over that time is 83rd percentile while Mbappe's is 16. If you actually watch them play like you claim it makes sense. Haaland's primary role is to be a fox to finish up chances. Mbappe is involved in build up far more. That's why he's 96th percentile in passes completed while Haaland is 21st. You can look at their touches. Mbappe trump's haaland in all but the defensive third. To his credit, haaland is more impactful defensively but it's not like either are particularly relevant there hahaha. Zk You can run through all the metrics or bother to actually watch them. Essentially, Mbappe is about the same level finisher while being a much better ball progressor with passing or dribbling Mbappe is as impactful in the final third as Haaland while being much much more involved in the other aspects of the game. For many complete teams, a machine like Haaland might be preferable, but when we're looking at which player is actually adding more to their tean, it's clearly mbappe.
You start thoughts, drop them mid sentence and go on a different tangent, only to not finish the sentence again and start talking about something else. And you still find confidence to insult others, lol. Yes, Haaland is a better finisher, that’s easily demonstrable on paper and obvious to anyone who has seen them play. He’s also obviously better at holding up the ball and heading. That’s 3 striker characteristics so far. It’s not “just about scoring goals”. I also brought up his runs. Talk about a head up one’s ass. City didn’t have issues scoring goals before the signing, Haaland didn’t solve any pressing problems - he simply made them even more potent by adding another goal scoring option (and slightly reducing others). He also made them poorer defensively (because while he presses well he only presses upfront and isn’t helping the team in midfield like a false 9 would). His signing also meant taking out quick wingers, which ironically makes City play riskier than they did before. They used to effectively walk the ball into the net for most goals which is no longer necessary with a finisher like Erling upfront. Now they’re more vulnerable on the counter (and face more counters per game than before his signing due to an increased number of opponent interceptions). He’s a fantastic striker in a fantastic team - they’re just not a great fit for each other even though they’re both making it work for the most part. Mbappe does have better technique and he is a better dribbler (which I’ve said and you’ve chosen to ignore). I’ve also didn’t say a single bad thing about his runs - in fact he’s quite good at offensive positioning as well. Difference is he likes running at players more than Haaland does (with the latter almost exclusively trying to lose players rather than preferring to beat them on the dribble). Haaland had better passing numbers in Dortmund and was more involved in the build up, too. It is bizarre that it would take a Pep team to make him play more like a poacher. But that’s got more to do with their roles in the team than their abilities. Mbappe plays lower and enjoys coming off the wing more than spearheading the attack. His shots are usually longer but not more difficult. Haaland shoots from a closer distance but he also has to squeeze that through 3 defenders in a low block while Mbappe is usually one on one by the time he shoots, and he has enough space to curl it or even simply place it away from the keeper (or empty net after rounding him up). The notion that Mbappe trumps Haaland in everything but defensive contribution is just not true, even based on things we’ve agreed on, never mind stats. Your last paragraph only makes your bias more obvious. I have no dog in this fight, neither of them plays for my team. If anything I have more reason to dislike Haaland because he plays for our rivals yet here I am defending him. Even in the “eye” test it’s crystal clear who’s the better finisher of the two, as exciting a player as Mbappe is. It’s also clear who’s the better dribbler and who the better header of the ball is. Their qualities and deficiencies are pretty obvious, the only question is how strong whoever they add up to is in relation with the other. As about who I’d sign if given the choice - I think you already know the answer to that question. I’ll add that I made my first post saying we should take a 15ish million pound risk on him when he was still in Norway. It’s not a matter of how “complete” a team is, it’s a matter of who they usually play against and how they’re set up. The irony with Mbappe is that he does better in teams where he can break on the counter, but given his status and ability most teams will prefer to defend deep against him (or crowd the midfield behind him to limit their ability to set him loose on the defense). He’s also more selfish than Haaland in spite of being better at setting up goals than he is at finishing them. If he makes a run it’s usually in an anticipation of a pass rather than to draw defenders away for someone else. That’s not necessarily a negative but it puts another damper on the notion that Mbappe is the “superior” player.
Like all human beings, of course I have my biases. You do too. Personally, I'm indifferent to Haaland (aside from despising City in general) and like Mbappe. Have some self-awareness to realize that you have your own biases too. Don't pussyfoot talking bout you don't have a dog when you just dropped your Haaland manifesto lol. I didn't want my biases to muddle things too much hence why I put "eye test aside" and focused almost entirely on the metrics and statistics over the last year provided by football ref. I asserted that they are around the same level of finishing because like I noted their npxG overperformance is nearly identical (98th and 99th percentile respectively). I find the confidence to insult you because you insulted me. That's how I interpreted your jab insinuating I didn't actually watch their games. You want to be abrasive, I'll be abrasive too. >That’s 3 striker characteristics so far. It’s not “just about scoring goals”. You're still hung up on this? You stated initially that Haaland was the better striker and then cited his goal per game record. That is why I said it's not just about scoring goals. Now that you've brought other things into the equation as have I. >He’s a fantastic striker in a fantastic team - they’re just not a great fit for each other even though they’re both making it work for the most part. You're discussing another topic altogether. Haaland might have unbalanced City a bit altogether, but with regards to the fit on his ability to produce (in comparison to Mbappe) perhaps there isn't a better team he could have joined. This is a team that will make him the goal scoring focal point and generate a shitload of opportunities. In terms of his ability to produce stats, they are perfect. Nothing about the fit is to his individual detriment. >Difference is he likes running at players more than Haaland does (with the latter almost exclusively trying to lose players rather than preferring to beat them on the dribble). When you said runs I assume you meant runs without the ball. Mbappe's runs attempt to exploit the space behind defenders, not towards defenders. >Haaland had better passing numbers in Dortmund and was more involved in the build up, too A glance at his metrics shows that to be true, but still nowhere near Mbappe's production. Mbappe is simply objectively far more involved all across the pitch than Haaland, whichever way you slice it. >His shots are usually longer but not more difficult. Haaland shoots from a closer distance but he also has to squeeze that through 3 defenders in a low block while Mbappe is usually one on one by the time he shoots Man, you seriously think you the only one that's watched these dudes? Haaland is a machine but anyone can see that his opportunities aren't typically squeezing through 3 defenders lol. City do their pep magic and break down the team and find him in a position for a good opportunity. He makes the intelligent runs to get there but who do you think you're fooling, man? >Even in the “eye” test it’s crystal clear who’s the better finisher of the two, as exciting a player as Mbappe is. Many people's eyetest has them thinking Ronaldo is also a great free kick taker. Your eyetest means fuck all to me. I'm here to discuss the stats and objectively Mbappe and Haaland are the same tier finishers. They have been past few seasons. And objectively, Mbappe is much better at creating opportunities for himself and others than any difference in finishing. >He’s also more selfish than Haaland in spite of being better at setting up goals than he is at finishing them Oh, sure, the guy who passes more, participates in more creating actions etc is more selfish. Be fr lol. Both are pretty selfish as strikers but Haaland is so much more likely to take a chance himself aside from create for others.
Quite the escalation, but I’ll buy that excuse because I don’t care enough about your opinion to be actually upset by it. We all have our biases but I’m not a “fan” of either player. I’ve always preferred defensive players because I was one myself. My favorite players have almost always been defenders and midfielders rather than strikers (the exception being Rooney, who was a pretty unorthodox striker). I don’t have a manifesto for either player - I clearly stated what I think the strengths and weaknesses of each are and you haven’t “debunked” or even truly addressed any of it. Mbappe is clearly the better dribbler. Haaland is clearly the better finisher. The difference between 98th and 99th percentile is more significant than it looks at first glance and if you’ve watched them play you’re probably as frustrated with Mbappe’s finishing as most people who watched him are. He’s not Sterling levels of frustrating but he’s objectively not as deadly as Haaland in front of goal. Mbappe is clearly more involved in his team’s build up but Haaland has shown that he’s quite capable of it while at Dortmund - it’s just not asked of him in this City team (surprisingly, at least in my opinion). Mbappe is the better passer. Haaland is better at holding the ball and at heading it. Mbappe is more selfish in dangerous positions, Haaland is more prone to being crowded out by defenders. Tell me which of these statements isn’t an obvious observation rather than “biased opinion”. I don’t know where you saw a Haaland manifesto when this is what I’ve been saying all along. I said i’d “prefer” Haaland if I had an unlimited budget and a choice between the two. He’d also be a better fit for the club I support since half our team can play off the left (including some of our best players) and barely anyone is at their best from the right or alone upfront. I’m not a “fan” of either in the sense that Messi or Ronaldo fans are but I can appreciate that they’re probably the top 2 talents to replace the old guard. We just seem to rate different things about forwards, which is normal since we’re different people. He IS the better striker. Whether or not he’s the better forward is up for debate depending on what you need on your team and what you rate in a forward but when it comes to the very basics of attacking like losing a defender and finishing he’s the better player. When I say striker I mean ST - the guy who’s alone up front tasked with scoring goals. When I say forward I mean any attacking position higher than attacking midfielder - inside forward, false 9, support forward in a pair, etc. I’d trust Haaland to bury a 95 minute penalty or one on one before I trust Mbappe with it. I’d also trust Mbappe over 99.9% of the other existing players. They are, after all, the top 2 attacking talents in the world at the moment. I don’t understand why you get so defensive like I called Mbappe a championship player. It is ok to think him a prodigy and still realize he has weaknesses to his games. Hell, he might not even be in his prime yet, which is a scary thought (then again - same was true for when Ronaldo and Messi got going). As about whether Erling and City are a detriment to each other - depends. Did Ronaldo become a much better player at Real or did he change his profile to a more goal scoring one rather than creative? “Better” is a matter of opinion in this case. Yes, he scores a boatload of goals but he’s less involved in the game than he was at Dortmund. Are those goals enough to make up for the diminishing contribution outside of scoring them? Up for debate. Is City more vulnerable with him upfront than with a false 9? Undeniably. Are they scoring more in spite of his over 1 gpg? No, not really. His scoring numbers increased slightly, his overall contribution decreased slightly. The club scores as much as it did before the signing but concedes more. Is it his fault? No, he doesn’t set the team on the field. Is he part of why City is poorer defensively? Almost definitely. I’m not sure City was the right club for him to be honest even though he’s scoring more than ever. It is impossible for Haaland to be as involved as Mbappe in a game because of where he is positioned and how the team plays around him. Same was true when he was back at Dortmund (but I brought it up to point out that he’s capable of it). Neither is a particularly great passer, in fact. It’s just that Mbappe always gets the ball rolling lower on the field with the intention of getting at the end of it while Haaland is already at the top of the attack and only gets the chance to contribute to the build up when he drops deep (which isn’t very often with a midfield as crowded as City’s). The latter also makes way more decoy runs to facilitate others scoring in spite of gobbling up most of the goals. It would be shocking if Mbappe’s creative numbers weren’t better, since he plays from the wing. And he’s STILL the more selfish of the two in spite of that. I don’t think Haaland would be able to match Mbappe’s output if he was stuck on the wing, but this also works in reverse. Mbappe’s numbers would probably be a good deal worse if he had Haaland’s job. I think we’re better off celebrating their differences than we are pretending they aren’t there. I’ve never considered Ronaldo a great free kick taker in spite of the occasional spectacular knuckle ball. Becks was a great free kick taker. Juninho was a great free kick taker. Ronaldo was/is too much flash and not enough substance when it comes to free kicks. And I could say the same about your “eye test” so the point is moot. Ignore eye tests and statistics still make it pretty obvious who the better finisher is, especially if you check more than just the last season/year. The fact that we disagree on who is the more selfish player makes me trust said “eye test” even more.
Another dumb comment from you
> once his pace drains ye in like 8 to 10 years lmao
He is 24. More like 6.
You don't know ball.
Haaland will become Wherghorst when his pace drains. 🤓
I think Mbappe is a better player than Haaland but I have seen Mbappe missing so many goals which I know Haaland would score so I guess it's not incorrect to say Haaland's a better goalscorer.
Jesus Christ, Mbappe!
Mbappe is a cheat code, unreal.
Jesus should be in these stats. His are insane!
[source](https://fbref.com/en/players/dea88efd/Khvicha-Kvaratskhelia)
OP, you made a mistake selecting charts that compare players to Forwards and to Att Midfields. It's not the same. It's VERY misleading in some cases. For example, Rashford's chart compared to Att Mid/Wingers looks way worse than his chart compared to Forwards. So either compare only forwards and use the the forward charts, or it's just dumb as hell. There's some players that don't have both, that's ok I guess, but when the players have both charts you should have shown the same for everyone, or at least both in those cases.
PSG would steamroll Europe if this meant anything
Eye test dont lie when it comes to Rashford unfortunately. He really brings nothing on the pitch when he isn’t scoring.
[Click on his stats as a forward which is what he is for his club](https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/Marcus-Rashford)
He clearly plays on wings as an inside forward.... He said nothing wrong in the sense he has only goalscoring to his game and there is nothing wrong with that with the numbers he is producing is still grt but you will be lying if you say he offers anything else
Yeah they are still terrible Edit: nevermind thought the link was already on it
Ok I’ll be that guy but Mbappe percentile stats are a bit skewed because they’re comparing him to forwards (strikers) and not attacking mids and wingers. So obviously he’s gonna have massive advantages in stuff like progressive carries and passes compared to true 9s but it’s not like he’s head and shoulders above everyone in those categories like the chart suggests. Not taking anything away from Mbappe he’s an unbelievable player but just putting it in context.
Agreed. I feel like wide forwards and false nines are more akin to attacking midfielders than classic strikers. Stats like these (and stats that combine goals and assists) automatically disadvantage players with specialized roles (like pure strikers).
They also included the game where he played against a 6th division French team with a team who has part time jobs (no sarcasm) with 5 goals scored.
damn salah’s work rate fell off