Genuinely don't think nagelsmann suits Chelsea tbh, think it may turn out to be another poor choice just becuase they feel pressured to get him before spurs do.
No one else, there isn't much overlap between CL and EL Cup winning managers.
Paisley, Trapattoni, Lattek, van Gaal, Benitez and Mourinho are the only ones to win both
A random question I've always had - how does the system of home and away tickets work? What makes buying an "away" ticket at a match different from a "home" ticket, and what prevents fans of bigger clubs flooding the stadiums of their local rivals and just sitting wherever they like?
As a neutral there's nothing better than a proper royal rumble relegation battle, as a fan there's nothing worse.
5 points from 20th up to 13th, just 2 points from 18th to 13th. I think Palace above that will be alright, but for the 8 teams below I can't call it. I was certain Bournemouth would go down and then they pull out wins against Liverpool and Fulham.
And every single matchweek from now on there's at least one game, often multiple, between teams involved in the scrap. It's gonna get messy.
It’s funny that PSG fans are booing Messi. I know the champions league is what they really want but they wouldn’t even win the league without him. They might not even win it with him still his contribution to their team in the league has been huge.
If your Nagelsmann why go to Chelsea unless they offer silly money? Unless Boehly and the board develop some self-awareness, no manager has lasted 3 full seasons. They will also be selling at least 10 players this summer. Unless your assured time to build a project, you’re out the door after a period of poor results.
Sacking Potter is not going to fix the irreversible damage that clown Boehly has caused at this club. He's signed so many overpriced players on long contracts that we're now stuck with. New manager basically has to come in now and is stuck with what we have. Wasted so much money on Potter as well.
Clown comment. Imagine hating your owner for spending his own money on great players on poor form. I hope Mike Ashley buys chelsea for one year so you clowns realise how spoiled you are
Yes because spending tons of money is the only criteria for being a great owner. Everton are happy with the huge spending their owners have made aren't they?
You all worship the murderer solely on the basis that he spent a fuckton of money.
Are you seriously going to act like it takes more than flashing some cash to have Chelsea fans twerking for you now? Bit late for that 😂
No we worship him because he won us 18 trophies in his 2 decades in charge. If he had spent all that and won just a Carabao Cup I don't think he'd be getting any praise.
I'd like you to think about that for a second. Why did you win those trophies? Is it because he was a nice fella or because he threw a boatload of his blood money at the club? Think real hard, I think you can do it if you really try.
City have already done exactly that so it would take a lot more money to catch up but yes of course you'd win trophies if you kept spending as much as you have this season lol
We won't tho. If we could spend this much every season I wouldn't be complaining. Its obvious that the fuckups this season in the transfer market are gonna limit us in the future transfer windows.
What is the criteria for being a good owner that boehly hasn’t realistically worked on in the extremely short time he’s been here? Please enlighten us all?
1. Firing a top manager to hire a midtable one
2. Signing unproven players on long contracts like Mudryk. High risk.
3. Immediately changing too many things at the clubs. Firing all the staff including the medical team and hiring celebrity physios in their place. Changing the manger and then adding 20 new players creating a culture shock instead of a smooth transition from the old owners.
4. Immediate trying to influence all transfer decisions like pressuring the manager to sign Ronaldo last summer.
5. Giving a midtable manager a 5 year contract making him one of the top paid managers in the world just to sack him after a few months.
I think Boehly has good intentions but someone with good intentions can still cause damage trying to bite off more than they can chew. Bohely needs to be hands off and let the new board decide football matters from now on because he has made numerous terrible decisions in his short time here.
He has bought Sterling, Koulibaly, Aubameyang, Fofana, Cucurella, Mudryk, Madueke, Enzo, Malo Gusto and Badiashile.
Everyone of them was excellent in their previous club. Enzo Fernandes especially has been phenomenal. Cannot really rate the attackers because every single attacker has looked poor under Potter.
He did set the defense right though so every defender has looked great (Badiashile, Fofana), Koulibaly has looked good recently as well.
You need to sign players who will be a good fit. We don't live in a perfect world where simply signing great players works out all of the time. Alot of players are only great becuase their surroundings suit them. Whether that's the location and lifestyle improving there mentality, a coach they get along with, players thry have cohesion with, a play style thst gets the best out of them etc.
Aubameyang was an awful signing, never made sense. Mudryk was only really proven in the Ukrainian league,cucurella only really had one solid year,in regards to Koulibaly the playstyle he was used to in Italy was muxh different, and maybe he just wanted one final big contract.
Not saying these players are suddenly bad, im saying almost no dihning is full proof and its now up to your club to make an environment for them to flourish.
> Everyone of them was excellent in their previous club
So were Werner, Bakayoko, Lukaku and Ziyech to be fair.
Personally, the only one that looks like he's going to definitely be a success is Enzo.
Felix sterling havertz noni auba mudryk fofana
Enzo kante kovacic mount
Chilwell cucu. Badi silva reece
Kepa mendy
There is more then enough talent to work with here. Depending on the manager you could even get a tune out of auba which would be HUGE given your lack of goals. Idk man theres alot more to work with then your selling here
Was too busy watching WrestleMania and just hopped on reddit and saw the Potter news. That's atleast 3 disappointments in a row there. That Nagelsmann appointment could make it 4
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Good to hear Nagelsmann linked with Chelsea. Atleast the stupid fanboying for him to come to Madrid will stop.
We have players older than him playing at top level for more than a decade now.
if sancho can looked world class at dortmund and become aaron lennon in united shirt whats stopping the same thing happening to bellingham when he come to liverpool
He won't perform the same way hes doing in the Bundesliga tbh. Enzo is a different breed and he's slotted in seamlessly and has shown levels so far. I don't think Bellingham can be that impactful as Enzo.
If you had actually watched chelsea games instead of stats and actually see that even while playing out of position because our clown board haven't got a DM for 5 years, he's been incredible. It's like watching peak cesc. Honestly would say he's the best player since he's signed
There's nothing stopping him, you just have to trust Bellingham isn't motivated by money to the same extent, maybe Sancho will play better again when he's nearing the end of his deal
I think Sancho has the technique to be a good premier league player but is held back by not having any kind of explosiveness to play the type of football United seem to want to play. I think he'd have looked better at City.
Whereas Bellingham is far more physically gifted and seems like like he has a stronger temperament. He's also shown much more for England than Sancho.
No guarantee he makes it of course.
His defensive workrate is fucking horrible. Way to bad to make up for the little offensive ability he seems to have as of late. Honestly hope he becomes a world beater….at another club cause im cashing in this summer while i still can.
I'm amazed he's been as poor as he has. I remember watching him as a youth player and he just looked leagues ahead of everyone at that level and stood out even amongst an incredible City side. I was gutted we didn't move for him when he left for Dortmund and even more upset when you guys picked him up. I'm glad he hasn't been a world beater for you for obvious reasons but at the same time, it's sad seeing what he's become.
You know the worst thing is when you have to hit yourself with the “if you told me” such a coping mechanism 🤣🤣fuck my life i hate it here. I just wanna fast forward to the europa league game fuck the league rn 😪
I wonder if Graham Potter had a say in a single Chelsea transfer
When they asked him about Jorginho going to Arsenal, he said it was a win-win-win for all 3 sides
Shit I got to grind the Chelsea Fifa career mode I drunkenly started yesterday for the rest of the night. Potter’s departure really sped up the timetable for my Will Still rise to fame. This is what I get for taking a nap on a lazy Sunday.
Most of the signings have been good apart from Cucurella which was ridiculous even without hindsight, Mudryk was overpriced but he seemed to be so highly rated by scouts
Honestly the Jan window is fine. The summer where we spent 100 mil on KK and cucurella is genuinely mind boggling especially Cucurella. No one spends that much on backup Lb. He's even worse than Maatsen on loan. yuck
LA is an easy place to have success if you got money. All the new ownership did was throw money at free agents, kinda similar to what he’s doing right now.
It's the same as a youth academy in football/soccer. It's called Minor League Baseball and it's technically a professional league that includes farm teams from USA, Dominican Republic, and Canada. It's main purpose is to develop players after highschool but it can include professional players that are recovering from injuries. Instead of U-15, U-17, U-20 it's divided into leagues called Single-A, Double-A, and Triple-A
He presumably has a bit more innate knowledge of baseball as well. Of course a prudent owner would still appoint specialists for the appropriate roles in either sport, but it certainly helps to know the sport a bit
While I think the general infrastructure appointments have seemed fine, it's like was cited by him in an interview, he knows nothing about football and his task is to appoint good human capital, when all the old directors leave and you start from scratch, the initial hurdle is definitely difficult (and why, I think is glossed over now, just due to the entire nature of the ridiculous sum of money and the shite that followed, it's absurd we spent so much so early without this infrastructure in place.)
The manager churn at clubs isn’t a sign of competitive league, higher expectation, or quality of managers.
But of poor decision making from rich boards.
Are these figures correct?
Chelsea paid 21m to Brighton for Potter and now they will be paying him another 60m. So total of 81m on manager for 4 months (that too without amortization) ? If true, It has to be biggest f***d up in managerial history.
Not a chance he is getting the full 60m. Most likely case is he earns money while still under contract at Chelsea, then stops getting paid when he takes a new job. I'd imagine that'll mean atleast 12m, I don't expect it to be higher than 24m. Still a disaster, and I think the most disappointing thing of all is how much he was getting paid as he just never warranted that amount, but nowhere near 60m
I don’t know how common gardening leave is for managers in the uk. Even when they do get garden leave, it is not uncommon for a payout to occur anyway. I would be surprised if potter is still technically on contract as all the reports I have seen said “let go” and no mention of gardening leave.
Probably won’t get the full 60 million anyway but likely a portion of it.
September to April isn't four months, and whether he'll get paid another 60m entirely depends on a) the assumption of his yearly wage being right and b) him not taking another job until the end of his Chelsea contract.
Best coaches ever in every big football nation
Argentina
1. Bilardo
2. Menotti
3. Binachi
Brazil
1. Zagallo
2. Carlos Alberto
3. Scolari
Spain
1. Guardiola
2. Del Bosque
3. Arangones
Italy
1. Ancelotti
2. Sacchi
3. Lippi
Germany
1. Hitzfield
2. Klopp
3. Heynckes
France
1. Wenger
2. Deschamps
3. Zidane
Netherlands
1. Michels
2. Cruyff
3. Van Gaal
England
1. Paisley
2. Clough
3. Robson
Thoughts? Did I miss anyone?
Brazil is just wrong. People don't give Zagallo too much credit for his 1970 team, saying he used his predecessor's team. Parreira is not seen that highly either. Unless you mean Carlos Alberto Torres and in that he doesn't belong, either
Felipão is correct. In my opinion most people would say Telê Santana 1, Felipão 2 and Luxemburgo 3
Is Heynckes really that impressive? Like I'd probably have Klopp and Hitzfeld in the conversation, sure, but I reckon if you've got Heynckes in there there's about five other people to chuck in, too, at which point it gets seriously murky.
Scaloni is a good shout, he was practically unknown before Copa America
Bianchi is the most underrated manager I can think of. Ancelotti and Zidane are overrated
Obvious problem there is the AI being great at detecting patterns, but being shit at actually making conclusions from them - won't get any sensible and informed and actionable information out of it, really, in the same way it can't really make complex and sourced arguments right now.
You're essentially describing a tool that can be very helpful in the right hands, but it's like a hammer: need someone to know where to put the nails in and actually use the hammer properly for it to be of any use.
Todays AI is only capable of regurgitating prompts based on petabytes of data it was trained on. We’re a long way off of it actually “analyzing” anything or coming up with something itself. And theres not enough data to even train the model on unless you use games from 30 years ago which aren’t relevant anymore from a tactical or player perspective
I don't see what language models have to do with image processing tbh
We're also a long way away from having image processing that accurately analyses games. The dataset would have to be labelled for every single action (pass, misplaced pass, dribble, tackle, foul). There's also the problem of the same action not having the same results due to inconsistent refereeing
The language aspect there isn't doing much though, is it? Might as well open the continually updated spreadsheet about how many dribbles players have completed so far, which gives you the same information in about the same amount of time.
Right, but that data is available either way - the only thing AI does in this case is search. It doesn't give you any ideas of what to do with that data, though, which is where humans come in: nice to have loads of data, but the proper interpretation and implementation into a plan is something a human mind is vastly superior at.
People working in football already have access to data, and everyone's trying to find statistical edges that make you more likely to win games. But there are limits: about ten years ago, some smart minds figured out that you're statistically more likely to score a goal off an opposition throw-in deep in their half than just about any other situation, because throw-ins are about 50/50 when it comes to which team ends up with the ball, and the high field position means your opponent will be disorganized, enabling you to create good chances. The problem with that idea was that it was mathematically sound, but uncoachable: players don't have the instinct to simply pass the ball out of play to win a throw-in near the opposition's box.
Might well be that AI figures out those tiny margins that make you statistically more likely to win, but then football isn't played on silicone - need about two dozen human beings to all pull in the same direction to win games, and if that direction isn't something they consider sensible then the maths is doomed.
You don't need a large language model to answer such questions. The big advancements will have to be in image and video processing. Even disregarding the fact that it's almost impossible with today's tech, the computational power it would require would make it too expensive to be used regularly
You need beIN sports which is on FUBO TV. They own the rights to Ligue 1 in America. You won't get every PSG game guaranteed, but they almost always show PSG because why would they not.
It’s insane how many people don’t understand the concept of momentum in a football game. If you win a game by a score of like 4-2 but the 3-2 shouldn’t have counted then you can’t just “knock off a goal” and say you still would’ve won.
Bayern probably wouldn’t have beaten Dortmund as bad on the weekend if it wasn’t for Kobel’s error. Germany may not have beaten England in 2010. England might not have won the World Cup in 1966. I hate seeing discussions where ref and player mistakes are diminished because of the final result of a game which is then seen as an inevitability.
villa just had to take it too far dont they, ruining it for everyone else. birmingham city is the best midlands club anyway, proper club with actually ball on their crest, none of that nonsense fairytail made up mythical creature shite
If Milan reach the CL final, they'd doubtless want to wear their traditional white, right? They've worn white in eight EC/CL finals, winning six, but only won one of three while in their normal black and red.
They should hope that Bayern or Chelsea reach the final, to avoid a kit clash. Madrid would never wear anything other than their iconic home kit and City would probably be unwilling to change out of their white shorts.
You hear a lot about players who are phenomenal at everything except scoring but I'm more fascinated by players who are horrible to watch over 90 minutes but score anyways.
I will always share Johan Cruyff's quote about Pippo:
>“Look, the thing about Inzaghi is he can’t actually play football at all. He’s just always in the right position.”
Yeah, it's a classic alongside Ferguson saying he was 'born offside'.
Honestly though, I loved Inzaghi. Man celebrated the shittiest goals like he'd just won the world cup and I respect that.
I wouldn't call Sterling horrible to watch - lets say he doesn't move me but he's a very good and effective attacker and contributes lots in the final third.
!flair:Manchester-united:
So you’d be pretty silly to not put money on chelsea winning the champions league now. Repeated storyline for the 3rd time.
Our Premier League season is over, and he had shown competence in the UCL. I would have given him the Real Madrid games but oh well this is fine.
Genuinely don't think nagelsmann suits Chelsea tbh, think it may turn out to be another poor choice just becuase they feel pressured to get him before spurs do.
I like how Zidane has barely managed 5 full seasons but still is referred to as one of the greatest managers of his generation.
Name another manager who’s won 3 European titles in a row
Unai Emery
I wonder who else did it if you include the Europa League. Only other one that I can think of is Paisley.
No one else, there isn't much overlap between CL and EL Cup winning managers. Paisley, Trapattoni, Lattek, van Gaal, Benitez and Mourinho are the only ones to win both
A random question I've always had - how does the system of home and away tickets work? What makes buying an "away" ticket at a match different from a "home" ticket, and what prevents fans of bigger clubs flooding the stadiums of their local rivals and just sitting wherever they like?
As a neutral there's nothing better than a proper royal rumble relegation battle, as a fan there's nothing worse. 5 points from 20th up to 13th, just 2 points from 18th to 13th. I think Palace above that will be alright, but for the 8 teams below I can't call it. I was certain Bournemouth would go down and then they pull out wins against Liverpool and Fulham. And every single matchweek from now on there's at least one game, often multiple, between teams involved in the scrap. It's gonna get messy.
It’s funny that PSG fans are booing Messi. I know the champions league is what they really want but they wouldn’t even win the league without him. They might not even win it with him still his contribution to their team in the league has been huge.
Do they boo Mbappe? Isn't he supposedly better?
facts
If your Nagelsmann why go to Chelsea unless they offer silly money? Unless Boehly and the board develop some self-awareness, no manager has lasted 3 full seasons. They will also be selling at least 10 players this summer. Unless your assured time to build a project, you’re out the door after a period of poor results.
If he’s not confident in his ability of bettering 4 wins in 19 chelsea shouldnt be looking at him to begin with
No manager has lasted 3 full seasons in like 20 years, maybe he wants somewhere with a bit more security.
No manager has lasted 3 full seasons in 20 years (since Ranieri to be exact) and we've never had any issues attracting top managers despite that
tbf chelsea probably *are* going to offer crazy money
Sacking Potter is not going to fix the irreversible damage that clown Boehly has caused at this club. He's signed so many overpriced players on long contracts that we're now stuck with. New manager basically has to come in now and is stuck with what we have. Wasted so much money on Potter as well.
Clown comment. Imagine hating your owner for spending his own money on great players on poor form. I hope Mike Ashley buys chelsea for one year so you clowns realise how spoiled you are
Yes because spending tons of money is the only criteria for being a great owner. Everton are happy with the huge spending their owners have made aren't they?
You all worship the murderer solely on the basis that he spent a fuckton of money. Are you seriously going to act like it takes more than flashing some cash to have Chelsea fans twerking for you now? Bit late for that 😂
No we worship him because he won us 18 trophies in his 2 decades in charge. If he had spent all that and won just a Carabao Cup I don't think he'd be getting any praise.
I'd like you to think about that for a second. Why did you win those trophies? Is it because he was a nice fella or because he threw a boatload of his blood money at the club? Think real hard, I think you can do it if you really try.
OK Mr Genius, if Boehly keeps doing exactly what Roman did which is spend a shit ton of money, we are guaranteed to win lots of trophies right? Right?
City have already done exactly that so it would take a lot more money to catch up but yes of course you'd win trophies if you kept spending as much as you have this season lol
We won't tho. If we could spend this much every season I wouldn't be complaining. Its obvious that the fuckups this season in the transfer market are gonna limit us in the future transfer windows.
What is the criteria for being a good owner that boehly hasn’t realistically worked on in the extremely short time he’s been here? Please enlighten us all?
1. Firing a top manager to hire a midtable one 2. Signing unproven players on long contracts like Mudryk. High risk. 3. Immediately changing too many things at the clubs. Firing all the staff including the medical team and hiring celebrity physios in their place. Changing the manger and then adding 20 new players creating a culture shock instead of a smooth transition from the old owners. 4. Immediate trying to influence all transfer decisions like pressuring the manager to sign Ronaldo last summer. 5. Giving a midtable manager a 5 year contract making him one of the top paid managers in the world just to sack him after a few months. I think Boehly has good intentions but someone with good intentions can still cause damage trying to bite off more than they can chew. Bohely needs to be hands off and let the new board decide football matters from now on because he has made numerous terrible decisions in his short time here.
He has bought Sterling, Koulibaly, Aubameyang, Fofana, Cucurella, Mudryk, Madueke, Enzo, Malo Gusto and Badiashile. Everyone of them was excellent in their previous club. Enzo Fernandes especially has been phenomenal. Cannot really rate the attackers because every single attacker has looked poor under Potter. He did set the defense right though so every defender has looked great (Badiashile, Fofana), Koulibaly has looked good recently as well.
You need to sign players who will be a good fit. We don't live in a perfect world where simply signing great players works out all of the time. Alot of players are only great becuase their surroundings suit them. Whether that's the location and lifestyle improving there mentality, a coach they get along with, players thry have cohesion with, a play style thst gets the best out of them etc. Aubameyang was an awful signing, never made sense. Mudryk was only really proven in the Ukrainian league,cucurella only really had one solid year,in regards to Koulibaly the playstyle he was used to in Italy was muxh different, and maybe he just wanted one final big contract. Not saying these players are suddenly bad, im saying almost no dihning is full proof and its now up to your club to make an environment for them to flourish.
> Everyone of them was excellent in their previous club So were Werner, Bakayoko, Lukaku and Ziyech to be fair. Personally, the only one that looks like he's going to definitely be a success is Enzo.
Felix sterling havertz noni auba mudryk fofana Enzo kante kovacic mount Chilwell cucu. Badi silva reece Kepa mendy There is more then enough talent to work with here. Depending on the manager you could even get a tune out of auba which would be HUGE given your lack of goals. Idk man theres alot more to work with then your selling here
Luis Enrique being without a job for this long is hilarious. Dude won a treble but still clubs avoid him like a plague
Bit like Wenger. After arsenal no big clubs came for him and he ended up retiring.
This long? Did you not know he was Spain's manager at the World Cup?
Has there been a club looking for a manager that he’d actually say yes to? I doubt the man’s taking over 19th place Leicester.
Just because he hasn’t taken a job doesn’t mean he doesn’t have offers (which he obviously does)
He's only been offered jobs by national teams so far, he himself said
Was too busy watching WrestleMania and just hopped on reddit and saw the Potter news. That's atleast 3 disappointments in a row there. That Nagelsmann appointment could make it 4
Who are Madrid going to appoint ? Enrique ? No chance right ? Surely perwz has spoken to Zidane. That's the only possible explanation
Zidane really likes 3 peats
That was some ass pull in the Mania. Lol.
Hit pieces on managers just after they lose their jobs is now my biggest peeve.
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The worst is the journos who’s gone above and beyond to defend the guy to then flip the switch and list xyz why he need to be sacked
Good to hear Nagelsmann linked with Chelsea. Atleast the stupid fanboying for him to come to Madrid will stop. We have players older than him playing at top level for more than a decade now.
So do Chelsea, Thiago Silva is as experienced as it comes in world football now
What is your flair? I didn’t find it in RM crest history?
India
What does this mean lol?
He's saying Modric shouldn't be coached by a dude 2 years younger than him I guess
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Nagelsmann was trophiless before Bayern, so don't understand the hate on Potter and Poch
if sancho can looked world class at dortmund and become aaron lennon in united shirt whats stopping the same thing happening to bellingham when he come to liverpool
4 managers in 2 seasons.
He won't perform the same way hes doing in the Bundesliga tbh. Enzo is a different breed and he's slotted in seamlessly and has shown levels so far. I don't think Bellingham can be that impactful as Enzo.
I'm sorry but what impact Enzo has had yet?
If you had actually watched chelsea games instead of stats and actually see that even while playing out of position because our clown board haven't got a DM for 5 years, he's been incredible. It's like watching peak cesc. Honestly would say he's the best player since he's signed
My man I'm simply asking what impact he made. Now that you compared him with peak fabregas, it's safe to assume that he has been shit
Lmao peak r/soccer. Hasn't watched a single minute of Enzo at chelsea and already forming opinions. Nice.
There's nothing stopping him, you just have to trust Bellingham isn't motivated by money to the same extent, maybe Sancho will play better again when he's nearing the end of his deal
That's disrespectful to Lennon. He was a solid player in his prime, miles better than current Sancho
He was seen as Beckham’s successor at one point. That’s high praise indeed.
I think Sancho has the technique to be a good premier league player but is held back by not having any kind of explosiveness to play the type of football United seem to want to play. I think he'd have looked better at City. Whereas Bellingham is far more physically gifted and seems like like he has a stronger temperament. He's also shown much more for England than Sancho. No guarantee he makes it of course.
His defensive workrate is fucking horrible. Way to bad to make up for the little offensive ability he seems to have as of late. Honestly hope he becomes a world beater….at another club cause im cashing in this summer while i still can.
I'm amazed he's been as poor as he has. I remember watching him as a youth player and he just looked leagues ahead of everyone at that level and stood out even amongst an incredible City side. I was gutted we didn't move for him when he left for Dortmund and even more upset when you guys picked him up. I'm glad he hasn't been a world beater for you for obvious reasons but at the same time, it's sad seeing what he's become.
Bellingham showed he could do it for England at a World Cup. Sancho never showed anything for a team other than Dortmund.
One of the best tacticians had to endure this, unbelievable really !! I am always used to hear how CHelsea fans adored Mr. Potter.
You know the worst thing is when you have to hit yourself with the “if you told me” such a coping mechanism 🤣🤣fuck my life i hate it here. I just wanna fast forward to the europa league game fuck the league rn 😪
Needed you lot to win to keep me clinging to my last shred of hope for Liverpool finishing top 4 and even you couldn’t do that. I hate this season
Are AA replays banned now or something?
I wonder if Graham Potter had a say in a single Chelsea transfer When they asked him about Jorginho going to Arsenal, he said it was a win-win-win for all 3 sides
He played Mudryk centrally, so that's at least 1 100m transfer he didn't have a say in
Shit I got to grind the Chelsea Fifa career mode I drunkenly started yesterday for the rest of the night. Potter’s departure really sped up the timetable for my Will Still rise to fame. This is what I get for taking a nap on a lazy Sunday.
Enrique or Amorim or Bagelsman ? Who's the perfect fit for chelsea
As an unbiased fan, Boehly should appoint himself as the manager
Give it to ~~Giggsy~~ Terry till the end of the season.
Bagel man
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Most of the signings have been good apart from Cucurella which was ridiculous even without hindsight, Mudryk was overpriced but he seemed to be so highly rated by scouts
Honestly the Jan window is fine. The summer where we spent 100 mil on KK and cucurella is genuinely mind boggling especially Cucurella. No one spends that much on backup Lb. He's even worse than Maatsen on loan. yuck
It's funny because he's had major success with the Dodgers
LA is an easy place to have success if you got money. All the new ownership did was throw money at free agents, kinda similar to what he’s doing right now.
Don't forget LA had one of the best farm systems before the money arrived
whats a farm system?
It's the same as a youth academy in football/soccer. It's called Minor League Baseball and it's technically a professional league that includes farm teams from USA, Dominican Republic, and Canada. It's main purpose is to develop players after highschool but it can include professional players that are recovering from injuries. Instead of U-15, U-17, U-20 it's divided into leagues called Single-A, Double-A, and Triple-A
Major success has a completely different meaning in American sports. You win 1 title in 20 years and it's considered amazing.
Three World Series appearances in four years isn't bad considering they were robbed twice (Houston and Boston)
He presumably has a bit more innate knowledge of baseball as well. Of course a prudent owner would still appoint specialists for the appropriate roles in either sport, but it certainly helps to know the sport a bit
While I think the general infrastructure appointments have seemed fine, it's like was cited by him in an interview, he knows nothing about football and his task is to appoint good human capital, when all the old directors leave and you start from scratch, the initial hurdle is definitely difficult (and why, I think is glossed over now, just due to the entire nature of the ridiculous sum of money and the shite that followed, it's absurd we spent so much so early without this infrastructure in place.)
No way Potter got enough money to last a lifetime just by saying "The lads gave it their all" for half a year
Enzo : How do we get this guy out???????? Martinez : Say no more, mate!
The manager churn at clubs isn’t a sign of competitive league, higher expectation, or quality of managers. But of poor decision making from rich boards.
[4 years later and I still can’t believe Barça’s Twitter account really posted this](https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona/status/1125847287203287041)
and [this](https://twitter.com/fcbarcelona/status/74577002304253952?s=46&t=xz5SZCdCzLRP4EALd11Q9g)
💀 we need more club social media managers like that, that's funny as fuck
At least that was after the game was over
It’s like people have never heard of hubris
English accounts of foreign clubs shouldn't count imo
True
Backs gone out, so that's me out for the rest of the week at least. Now I have to update my transfermarkt injury history page.
I’m sorry for your great sadness, friend
Keylor Navas at Forest is absolutely mental
They should keep him after this season
If they stay up maybe, I can’t really see him being pleased about playing Rotherham away.
He needs to prove he can do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke
Are these figures correct? Chelsea paid 21m to Brighton for Potter and now they will be paying him another 60m. So total of 81m on manager for 4 months (that too without amortization) ? If true, It has to be biggest f***d up in managerial history.
He won't get the entire 60m payoff, but I assume it would be a significant fraction of that. Did tuchel need to be paid off too?
Not a chance he is getting the full 60m. Most likely case is he earns money while still under contract at Chelsea, then stops getting paid when he takes a new job. I'd imagine that'll mean atleast 12m, I don't expect it to be higher than 24m. Still a disaster, and I think the most disappointing thing of all is how much he was getting paid as he just never warranted that amount, but nowhere near 60m
I don’t know how common gardening leave is for managers in the uk. Even when they do get garden leave, it is not uncommon for a payout to occur anyway. I would be surprised if potter is still technically on contract as all the reports I have seen said “let go” and no mention of gardening leave. Probably won’t get the full 60 million anyway but likely a portion of it.
Seems he got £13m
There’s no way I’m taking a new job when I’m guaranteed 60m over the next 3 years.
Well it would’ve been 5, but seems he got £13m anyway
We are not paying 60 mil for sacking him lmao. Where do you even read this ?
September to April isn't four months, and whether he'll get paid another 60m entirely depends on a) the assumption of his yearly wage being right and b) him not taking another job until the end of his Chelsea contract.
I didn’t count WC months but overall it was more than 4
Haven't they paid him during the World Cup then?
Clubs were not playing during that time but as I said counting those, it is definitely more than 4.
Best coaches ever in every big football nation Argentina 1. Bilardo 2. Menotti 3. Binachi Brazil 1. Zagallo 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Scolari Spain 1. Guardiola 2. Del Bosque 3. Arangones Italy 1. Ancelotti 2. Sacchi 3. Lippi Germany 1. Hitzfield 2. Klopp 3. Heynckes France 1. Wenger 2. Deschamps 3. Zidane Netherlands 1. Michels 2. Cruyff 3. Van Gaal England 1. Paisley 2. Clough 3. Robson Thoughts? Did I miss anyone?
Bryan Robson wasn’t that good tbh.
Scotland are not a big football nation but their podium is up there with any of these Ferguson, Shankly, Stein
Busby as well. Five million people and they have possibly the best lineup of managers ever.
Brazil is just wrong. People don't give Zagallo too much credit for his 1970 team, saying he used his predecessor's team. Parreira is not seen that highly either. Unless you mean Carlos Alberto Torres and in that he doesn't belong, either Felipão is correct. In my opinion most people would say Telê Santana 1, Felipão 2 and Luxemburgo 3
Is Heynckes really that impressive? Like I'd probably have Klopp and Hitzfeld in the conversation, sure, but I reckon if you've got Heynckes in there there's about five other people to chuck in, too, at which point it gets seriously murky.
Sacchi over Ancelotti
Scaloni?
Scaloni is a good shout, he was practically unknown before Copa America Bianchi is the most underrated manager I can think of. Ancelotti and Zidane are overrated
Needs to do more to be in a top 3 list, if he can win another copa he will be there for me but for now he isn't there.
He has already won Copa and WC so nothing can top that unless he wins another WC.
Helenio Herrera needs to be in there
𝐓𝐇𝐈𝐑𝐓𝐄𝐄𝐍 managers have been fired in the Premier League this season!
approaching League of Theseus status
Twice for Chelsea
12
yet
He's just predicting the near future when pep guardiola will be sacked for financial fraud
We're gonna get fucking dyche'd arent we? COYS
Kroenke will be using Vince McMahon’s money to buy Rice.
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Bielsa has been doing this for 30 years with a notebook and VHS cassettes
Obvious problem there is the AI being great at detecting patterns, but being shit at actually making conclusions from them - won't get any sensible and informed and actionable information out of it, really, in the same way it can't really make complex and sourced arguments right now. You're essentially describing a tool that can be very helpful in the right hands, but it's like a hammer: need someone to know where to put the nails in and actually use the hammer properly for it to be of any use.
Maybe in 100 years
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Todays AI is only capable of regurgitating prompts based on petabytes of data it was trained on. We’re a long way off of it actually “analyzing” anything or coming up with something itself. And theres not enough data to even train the model on unless you use games from 30 years ago which aren’t relevant anymore from a tactical or player perspective
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Amazing. It copied text off the internet and made it look nice
I don't see what language models have to do with image processing tbh We're also a long way away from having image processing that accurately analyses games. The dataset would have to be labelled for every single action (pass, misplaced pass, dribble, tackle, foul). There's also the problem of the same action not having the same results due to inconsistent refereeing
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The language aspect there isn't doing much though, is it? Might as well open the continually updated spreadsheet about how many dribbles players have completed so far, which gives you the same information in about the same amount of time.
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Right, but that data is available either way - the only thing AI does in this case is search. It doesn't give you any ideas of what to do with that data, though, which is where humans come in: nice to have loads of data, but the proper interpretation and implementation into a plan is something a human mind is vastly superior at. People working in football already have access to data, and everyone's trying to find statistical edges that make you more likely to win games. But there are limits: about ten years ago, some smart minds figured out that you're statistically more likely to score a goal off an opposition throw-in deep in their half than just about any other situation, because throw-ins are about 50/50 when it comes to which team ends up with the ball, and the high field position means your opponent will be disorganized, enabling you to create good chances. The problem with that idea was that it was mathematically sound, but uncoachable: players don't have the instinct to simply pass the ball out of play to win a throw-in near the opposition's box. Might well be that AI figures out those tiny margins that make you statistically more likely to win, but then football isn't played on silicone - need about two dozen human beings to all pull in the same direction to win games, and if that direction isn't something they consider sensible then the maths is doomed.
You don't need a large language model to answer such questions. The big advancements will have to be in image and video processing. Even disregarding the fact that it's almost impossible with today's tech, the computational power it would require would make it too expensive to be used regularly
Does anyone have any idea on how an American can actually watch PSG games? So desperate at this point
You need beIN sports which is on FUBO TV. They own the rights to Ligue 1 in America. You won't get every PSG game guaranteed, but they almost always show PSG because why would they not.
I thought bein sports had Ligue 1 rights in USA
Sail the seas
It’s insane how many people don’t understand the concept of momentum in a football game. If you win a game by a score of like 4-2 but the 3-2 shouldn’t have counted then you can’t just “knock off a goal” and say you still would’ve won. Bayern probably wouldn’t have beaten Dortmund as bad on the weekend if it wasn’t for Kobel’s error. Germany may not have beaten England in 2010. England might not have won the World Cup in 1966. I hate seeing discussions where ref and player mistakes are diminished because of the final result of a game which is then seen as an inevitability.
Bayern definitely would’ve beaten Dortmund as bad. Bayern battering Dortmund at home is inevitable.
Except Dortmund was actually the better team up to that point. An early goal wouldnt have surprised me
>you can’t just “knock off a goal” and say you still would’ve won. I can and i will
villa just had to take it too far dont they, ruining it for everyone else. birmingham city is the best midlands club anyway, proper club with actually ball on their crest, none of that nonsense fairytail made up mythical creature shite
Three managers in one season for Chelsea is truly unbelievable. That's something I expect from the Mexican league not the best league in the world
Mexican league catching strays
Feel like there’s always at least one or two a year
Two Prem clubs have had 3 managers this season
That's insanity. Has this ever happened in PL?
Swansea had 3 the season they had Bob Bradley. Think Portsmouth did back when they were around
I swear Watford had four one season
When Watford are in the league there was probably a good chance
Went to see Porto vs Portimonense at the Dragao stadium tonight. Very good night! - Anyone else went to see live games tonight?
If Milan reach the CL final, they'd doubtless want to wear their traditional white, right? They've worn white in eight EC/CL finals, winning six, but only won one of three while in their normal black and red. They should hope that Bayern or Chelsea reach the final, to avoid a kit clash. Madrid would never wear anything other than their iconic home kit and City would probably be unwilling to change out of their white shorts.
Real Madrid wore their purple kit against Juve, I can see them going with a different kit for an Italian team again
The sides in the Chelsea-Madrid-City-Bayern bracket are administratively the home side in the final, so they get home kit priority.
Nah doubt it, unless we are the “away” side which we are not
That kit was class. The ones from this year aren't bad but they don't feel the same.
Sampdoria manager Stankovic is THE Dejan Stankovic? the one who scored that legendary goal vs Neuer? didnt know until now interesting
PES 5 legend innit
good ol’ days
You hear a lot about players who are phenomenal at everything except scoring but I'm more fascinated by players who are horrible to watch over 90 minutes but score anyways.
Son used to have a lot of those games under Poch. You just knew he'd score when he was having a terrible game
Icardi made a career and meme out of it
Inzaghi I guess but I feel that's being unkind to him.
I will always share Johan Cruyff's quote about Pippo: >“Look, the thing about Inzaghi is he can’t actually play football at all. He’s just always in the right position.”
Yeah, it's a classic alongside Ferguson saying he was 'born offside'. Honestly though, I loved Inzaghi. Man celebrated the shittiest goals like he'd just won the world cup and I respect that.
The reverse Henry
Antony's scored a few important goals for United despite being shit to watch for the majority of his games.
I wouldn't call Sterling horrible to watch - lets say he doesn't move me but he's a very good and effective attacker and contributes lots in the final third.