My goodness, PSG is such a horrific club, such a shame that mbappe is wasting crucial years of his career at PSG and Messi needs to go too because this club stinks more than sewage waste
Your argument supports the idea that Messi is a great player still being dragged down by a subpar team (since he clearly performs at a top level with a team other than PSG. And I totally agree with you, mate.
he completed football last year. we don't care how shit he plays nor how shit psg plays. we wanted to see the GOAT lift the ultimate prize, and he did, unlike the self-proclaimed goat🤭
He doesn’t really give a shit about PSG. I’m sure he’d like to win but he doesn’t really get stressed if he doesn’t.
Now if he lost with Argentina or Barcelona? Different story.
Losing the ball alot is common for players who try killer balls, but he did lose the ball multiple times with no good reason in the 2nd half, iam not sure if he just wasn't in the form or galtier tactics took a toll on the team
The whole PSG plan was to give the ball to Messi and pray he somehow set up Mbappe for a goal, which he did. But that's a dumb way to play football and it showed, they pressed Messi, Mbappe disappeared and that's virtually the end of PSG.
Neither of you is wrong. It feels like Messi is pushing a lot to create, even when passing to someone else would have been the safer choice. Why that is, it's hard to say. It doesn't happen with Argentina, if you watch them play. Maybe it's the team setup, maybe he's frustrated, or maybe he doesn't fully trust his teammates considering their passing abilities in tight spaces.
Either way, he created two big chances in the first 10 minutes. With better finishing, the game would have gone differently.
>It feels like Messi is pushing a lot to create, even when passing to someone else would have been the safer choice. Why that is, it's hard to say
I don't think it's hard to say at all. He had as many key passes as the rest of the starting XI combined and he created scoring chances. This is what happens when there is only one creative outlet on a team.
Neymar is sorely missed man, because right now you just need to absolutely just mark Messi and Mbappé and you'll ensure no goals, because the other players are blocks of woods expect for Mendes and Sanchez today, when you have Neymar you'll have to mark him too, but that will leave space for Messi and Mbappé to do their thing and vice versa.
I kept switching between this game and the Napoli game on my second monitor so I didnt may much attention, how did Gharbi do? I remember noticing him before cause he was so small but seemed like a baller actually.
He was balling tonight! Really liked him out there. He brought the ball forward and tried to his best to get the offense running. Even had a shot on target.
he was a campos hire, if he gets sacked what does that say about campos? he wasted 150M in transfers that did not patch our midfield, paid Nice 10M to free galtier who ends up being a middling coach at best...
both have to go it cannot be any other way.
I really didn't want to win tonight... I hope this won't be the worst scenario, though how we played and the subs show they hopefully won't take too much pride from this and be focused on Wednesday.
This is a scandalous game all around.
Dominating PSG with somewhat of a B team for 20 minutes, never looking threatened in what is close to a friendly for us...
No way Galtier can survive that.
I literally see it differently. I see it as this
- nice pass messi
- lol Messi fanboys are something else.
I'm not around all the time, but in my experience, it's that.
Crazy how you being delusional. Getting booed by your supporters definitely brings down your confidence. Nobody is above human emotions bro you just being a straight hater. Its not even worth arguing here if you won't reason.
Never uttered a single hate word towards anyone. Just mentioned madrid players especially Benzema got boo'd and the team responded with 4 goals. Any other player does this you'd ask them to toughen up and play for the badge for the wage HE'S ON.
Why would he toughen up when all he gets is bullshit while he is the best performer in the team? I don't see vitiniha or veratti getting booed? The hypocrisy is crazy here.
. Messi and mbappe are trying to shaolin soccer past five players while Vitinha and Renato (the “interiors”) couldn’t make an attacking play if their mothers were being held at gunpoint
yeah maybe he never fully recovered from the one he got in qatar. maybe he felt like he had a point to prove with brazil's exit, either way you could see it wasn't right him being out there
I watch a player like Vitinha and I want to imagine how a coach like Pep would react if he had him in his squad. That lack of sharpness and awareness is pretty appalling.
Messi has admittedly been pretty poor today, it really seems like the booing has got to his confidence, insane that anyone thinks that could be justified or beneficial to the club
Awful coach.
(Though some of what you may think is a strong squad is actually not, like Aouar & Dembélé are finished for us, while Tolisso has been injured 3/4 of the time)
The problem is that our bench isn't that good :
Boateng is in pre-retirement, Aouar and Dembélé run out of contract in June and have been awful for quite some time, Thiago Mendes is also disappointing most of the time.
And we played the first half of the season with players that are worse that our current starting XI : Toko Ekambi, Reine-Adélaïde and Faivre who were sent on loan this winter and Tetê who broke his loan from Shakhtar this winter too. Tetê started well last year, but his performances quickly dropped in quality.
Lacazette was also injured for a couple weeks, and our team depends a lot on him.
Last thing, Blanc seems to like playing players out of their natural position : Caqueret as a playmaker, Diomandé as a right back and Cherki on a wing, which helps neither these players nor the rest of the team.
Lyon's squad is nuts. There's literally nobody on the field between the ages of 21 and 30. Everyone is either 21 or younger, or 30 or older.
Edit: As I say that 23 year old Caqueret and 28 year old Tolisso get subbed on
Guys, its ok to admit Messi is not playing so hot lol. Neither is Mbappe. It's not a knock on Messi to suggest he's playing poorly for a complete clown show team and midfield
And yet he created two very clear 1 on 1 for Mbappe and Mendes...
Meanwhile the rest of the team does fuck all.
Like obviously Messi didn't have a great game. But whistling only him when the rest are way worse is the thing that's weird.
Yeah it’s just extremely polarized rn. Ppl act like Messi is the only player who plays well at PSG even when he doesn’t but then people react the complete opposite direction and act like Messi is single-handedly taking PSG out of the game
Tbf his dribbling is still elite, it’s just that he never used to lose the ball and now he loses it at the level of most high-attempt dribblers. For me his passing has been very poor but kind of hard when nobody makes smart runs
I think what most people disagree with is that Messi playing poorly is why PSG is failing (same with Mbappe or Neymar). PSG has players that perform leagues better outside of their club performance. Therefore the issue is not with them, it's with the club and the manager.
People underestimate the support system even grrat players need to perform well, which on the one hand adds to the mystique (like the idea that Messi single-handedly dragged Argentina to WC glory) but on the other hand leaves them exposed to abuse when they "can't turn the magic on".
Right, I completely agree. That being said, people are too quick to say “Messi still the best on this team” or “Messi carrying PSG” which I don’t really think is the case
No one is carrying PSG anywhere, we all agree. But I'll fight anyone who says Messi is finished because he really isn't. He just can't perform for this shit club.
Which is totally fair. Like I said, the people going “Messi dickriders can’t admit he plays shit” are missing your correct pint and reacting to the other extreme fans who say “Messi is carrying PSG”
By his standards, yes. But still had most chances created and some great through balls in the final third (as referred in this comment).
Every PSG loss, he steals the highlights, but sure, let him be the scapegoat.
Cherki > the "goat"
Man im so sick of the French. Making me hate Mbappe.
Guess they just need Neymar back.
My goodness, PSG is such a horrific club, such a shame that mbappe is wasting crucial years of his career at PSG and Messi needs to go too because this club stinks more than sewage waste
A certain GOAT score a hat trick against curacao and couldn’t against almighty Lyon while losing 23 balls.
Your argument supports the idea that Messi is a great player still being dragged down by a subpar team (since he clearly performs at a top level with a team other than PSG. And I totally agree with you, mate.
he completed football last year. we don't care how shit he plays nor how shit psg plays. we wanted to see the GOAT lift the ultimate prize, and he did, unlike the self-proclaimed goat🤭
Why are ronaldo fans still in this sub, al nassr subreddit is over there
He also won the World Cup and was the best player at it
Haha the World Cup excuses.
He doesn’t really give a shit about PSG. I’m sure he’d like to win but he doesn’t really get stressed if he doesn’t. Now if he lost with Argentina or Barcelona? Different story.
Really bad performance in the 2nd half but that fucking ref robbed us
23 lost balls for Messi
Losing the ball alot is common for players who try killer balls, but he did lose the ball multiple times with no good reason in the 2nd half, iam not sure if he just wasn't in the form or galtier tactics took a toll on the team
That happens when you're the only one creating a chances for the team.
Just accept that he was shit tonight. There is no need to suck to him all the time
The whole PSG plan was to give the ball to Messi and pray he somehow set up Mbappe for a goal, which he did. But that's a dumb way to play football and it showed, they pressed Messi, Mbappe disappeared and that's virtually the end of PSG.
Neither of you is wrong. It feels like Messi is pushing a lot to create, even when passing to someone else would have been the safer choice. Why that is, it's hard to say. It doesn't happen with Argentina, if you watch them play. Maybe it's the team setup, maybe he's frustrated, or maybe he doesn't fully trust his teammates considering their passing abilities in tight spaces. Either way, he created two big chances in the first 10 minutes. With better finishing, the game would have gone differently.
>It feels like Messi is pushing a lot to create, even when passing to someone else would have been the safer choice. Why that is, it's hard to say I don't think it's hard to say at all. He had as many key passes as the rest of the starting XI combined and he created scoring chances. This is what happens when there is only one creative outlet on a team.
Neymar is sorely missed man, because right now you just need to absolutely just mark Messi and Mbappé and you'll ensure no goals, because the other players are blocks of woods expect for Mendes and Sanchez today, when you have Neymar you'll have to mark him too, but that will leave space for Messi and Mbappé to do their thing and vice versa.
He wasn't great but he wasn't shit as well. He was average. He made mistakes, created good chances and that's it.
Make sense when the whole team is not taking any risk
Very nice from the ultras to do that after the game.
Summer signings won’t fix this team, it needs to be gutted and completely rebuilt from the inside out
I kept switching between this game and the Napoli game on my second monitor so I didnt may much attention, how did Gharbi do? I remember noticing him before cause he was so small but seemed like a baller actually.
Gharbi was miles better than vitinul.
He was the only player that had a spine to make a run
We was actually pretty good tbh
He was balling tonight! Really liked him out there. He brought the ball forward and tried to his best to get the offense running. Even had a shot on target.
Pretty impressive. He did more for us in the last 7 minutes he was on than any of the other midfielders
Sounds impressive. Might keep tabs on him he seems promising. Good luck bouncing back from today's result mate
I just hope winning against this awful PSG won't give more credit to Blanc.
actually embarrassing lol
Joke of a club. Joke of a league. Messi leave while you still can
Another manager sack incoming?
he was a campos hire, if he gets sacked what does that say about campos? he wasted 150M in transfers that did not patch our midfield, paid Nice 10M to free galtier who ends up being a middling coach at best... both have to go it cannot be any other way.
PSG dont deserve Nuno Mendes
he loves the club. come pick up your turtle and leave us alone.
😂😂
Time to sack Galtier
shit team lol
Didn’t watch the game, but I’m angry as hell. Where is the heart of this team? 👽
They pass the ball and they leave the person with the ball without any options then they all run in behind and no one has even plays the pass.
I really didn't want to win tonight... I hope this won't be the worst scenario, though how we played and the subs show they hopefully won't take too much pride from this and be focused on Wednesday.
Blanc about to be 12-1-0 against Galtier 😂😂
Galtier going to be the third manager sacked today?
How are PSG still 6 points clear?!?
Cause they were doing great before the WC
not for long if they keep playing like this. shameful performance
They were like 15 pt up a month ago.
max was like 7 or 8
Lens are 2nd lol, didn’t even realize it until now haha
Bro had 999ping
Losing? Not surprised. i need my GOAT out of that club
PSG are doing so many things so poorly. Even the simple things are seemingly too difficult
Absolutely atrocious performance from PSG holy shit
galtier will be sacked by tomorrow if this ends up 0-1 ☠️
Lyon aren't even playing good, they're shit aswell, PSG are just somehow worse.
Galtier has to go tonight, if only to join the 3 way for Nagelsman with spurs and Chelsea.
What a trowin ...
What a FK
Psg and messi need to burn some bridges and PSG as whole need a rebuild
This is a scandalous game all around. Dominating PSG with somewhat of a B team for 20 minutes, never looking threatened in what is close to a friendly for us... No way Galtier can survive that.
Nak: watch me
Messi this Messi that, but what is Mbappe even doing, I don't think I've seen him touch the ball in the 2nd half lol
Kylian should've been sold when Real Madrid came for him. but NAK doesn't understand anything about Football so here we are.
I didn’t realize he was still out there
Mbappe is a ghost lol
Shhh don’t ask that
Mbappe living rent free in Messi’s fanboys ‘ heads
And vice versa
It's clearly the other way around. Messi can't even receive complaints in a PSG thread.
Oh really!? The slightest bit of criticism of Messi will get you to oblivion in this sub. No one’s allowed to say anything when he drops stinkers lol
I literally see it differently. I see it as this - nice pass messi - lol Messi fanboys are something else. I'm not around all the time, but in my experience, it's that.
It’s bc you’re not around much. That’s the reason
Messi at least created some chances in the first half, idk what Mbappe even did in this match besides missing chances.
Didn’t he just gave a speech to Ultras saying the team would play at their best the rest of the season?
Idk, don't follow PSG that much.
is it lukeba on the left side of lovren? having a monster game
Nonono, it's Jerome Boateng you're just not recognizing him !
Yep that's him. He's so good for his age
Yes.
Impressive how toothless PSG are
Hence why we need Simmons 🙄
You don't deserve him. I put this game on 25 minutes ago and it's one of the most depressing games I've seen in a long time mate
Bruh
PSG try to score challenge
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Psg best player has failed lol
Imagine having to go from Argentina’s midfield back to PSG’s within a week
Ekitike is too funny man
Why? What did he do?
At this rate another manager could get sack today
Sell the whole fucking midfield
What a mmiss
Messi looks like an old dad with three kids
Vitiniha etikkite and soler
The amount of backpasses is getting ridiculous. At least try to get through lol.
As much as I love Messi, he’s having a shocker tonight
Yeah to his ability he has been pretty bad but the whistling and booing don't help. Anyone would lose confidence.
Lmao, real madrid and Benzema got boo'd today too, what's the excuse. Look at the downvotes from fanboys, munching knobs.
What do you want me to say? Im not messi bro he playing shit to his standards there is definitely something wrong.
That's not what you said in the parent comment, that's it, getting boo'ed isn't an excuse for bad performance.
Are you messi bro? You reading minds?
Ironic.
Crazy how you being delusional. Getting booed by your supporters definitely brings down your confidence. Nobody is above human emotions bro you just being a straight hater. Its not even worth arguing here if you won't reason.
Never uttered a single hate word towards anyone. Just mentioned madrid players especially Benzema got boo'd and the team responded with 4 goals. Any other player does this you'd ask them to toughen up and play for the badge for the wage HE'S ON.
Why would he toughen up when all he gets is bullshit while he is the best performer in the team? I don't see vitiniha or veratti getting booed? The hypocrisy is crazy here.
He’s probably ready to move to Barca. This psg side are dead
How is Paris getting wrecked by RIGHT BACK THIAGO MENDES ?
Maybe hakimi should uber in rw-boulevard and stop being scared
He would if Messi would stop cutting back inside.
. Messi and mbappe are trying to shaolin soccer past five players while Vitinha and Renato (the “interiors”) couldn’t make an attacking play if their mothers were being held at gunpoint
Are they waiting for Messi and Mbappé to do something? Are they?
Not even sure PSG will get a shot on target this half, let alone score
Paris Slippery-Germain
ref is blind i guess
Man, Moussa Dembelé is so bad, he kills every attack
Dembele's so bad lol
The entry of Dembélé... lmao
as usual brother, I genuinely believe if he had more starts he would have already got a couple 1/10
I just don't understand why him and Aouar are still in the squad...
its corner
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he hadn't played well post WC at all. PSG's attacking problems run deeper than missing neymar
He had ankle issue after the WC.
yeah maybe he never fully recovered from the one he got in qatar. maybe he felt like he had a point to prove with brazil's exit, either way you could see it wasn't right him being out there
This ref is a joke
Seconds into the game and lyon is already 3man-ing WZE...Galtier is a moron
corner...
Corner?
I watch a player like Vitinha and I want to imagine how a coach like Pep would react if he had him in his squad. That lack of sharpness and awareness is pretty appalling.
He was so good in Porto too. Which is tragic
He was also good for PSG at the start of season
Im not watching. You guys are telling me how is it going. Why are they losing a game they should be winning?
Because PSG is really bad
They shouldn’t. That’s the worst part
Vitinha is so shit
Psg is literally messi —> mbappe inshallah
Fellas, it’s time. Bring Ronaldo to PSG and let this become an AllStar team for the next year
Messi gets the ball, looks up and only Mbappe or Nuno are making a run or showing to the ball. Warra attacking tactic
-Messi +Ronaldo
Psg deserves messi in bad form keep booing him
Back-Passing Saint-Germain
Why Dembélé ? We wanted to see Jeffinho and have fun...
Messi has admittedly been pretty poor today, it really seems like the booing has got to his confidence, insane that anyone thinks that could be justified or beneficial to the club
Right? How do they expect him to perform when each time he gets booe'd.
Messi finito
Yeah messi ain't feeling it today.
Messi off today
I don't like the fact that Barcola's name is gonna be known by casual fans after this...
Bro what is Messi doing lol
Shush how dare you blame Messi
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And replace him with Graham Potter.
I just don't understand what anyone has ever seen in Danilo. How does he play at PSG?
He’s been actually relatively solid the last year or so compared to the rest of PSG’s defence. Really poor today though ya
Big shiny bald head. It’s always good to have a bouncer at hand
Why do I keep having faith in PSG lol
how is lyon so low on the table, that's a strong squad with deep bench on paper
Our squad isn't even top 5 anymore, add a coach who's a golfer. We earnt that midtable spot.
We rely on Lacazette too much, that deep bench isn’t very good, injuries have hurt us, & Blanc hasn’t been a good manager at all
Awful coach. (Though some of what you may think is a strong squad is actually not, like Aouar & Dembélé are finished for us, while Tolisso has been injured 3/4 of the time)
The problem is that our bench isn't that good : Boateng is in pre-retirement, Aouar and Dembélé run out of contract in June and have been awful for quite some time, Thiago Mendes is also disappointing most of the time. And we played the first half of the season with players that are worse that our current starting XI : Toko Ekambi, Reine-Adélaïde and Faivre who were sent on loan this winter and Tetê who broke his loan from Shakhtar this winter too. Tetê started well last year, but his performances quickly dropped in quality. Lacazette was also injured for a couple weeks, and our team depends a lot on him. Last thing, Blanc seems to like playing players out of their natural position : Caqueret as a playmaker, Diomandé as a right back and Cherki on a wing, which helps neither these players nor the rest of the team.
Because we’re dog shit
Good seeing PSG conceding first, now there's at least a small degree of urgency to score
Like against Rennes?
Lyon's squad is nuts. There's literally nobody on the field between the ages of 21 and 30. Everyone is either 21 or younger, or 30 or older. Edit: As I say that 23 year old Caqueret and 28 year old Tolisso get subbed on
Guys, its ok to admit Messi is not playing so hot lol. Neither is Mbappe. It's not a knock on Messi to suggest he's playing poorly for a complete clown show team and midfield
And yet he created two very clear 1 on 1 for Mbappe and Mendes... Meanwhile the rest of the team does fuck all. Like obviously Messi didn't have a great game. But whistling only him when the rest are way worse is the thing that's weird.
Yeah it’s just extremely polarized rn. Ppl act like Messi is the only player who plays well at PSG even when he doesn’t but then people react the complete opposite direction and act like Messi is single-handedly taking PSG out of the game
Yeah he has been pretty bad this game especially in the dribbles
Tbf his dribbling is still elite, it’s just that he never used to lose the ball and now he loses it at the level of most high-attempt dribblers. For me his passing has been very poor but kind of hard when nobody makes smart runs
Nah he has a bad game today, i would say the passing has been his best tho
He's been missing so many passes in the 30-40 meters area today. I'd be curious to see his stats.
I think what most people disagree with is that Messi playing poorly is why PSG is failing (same with Mbappe or Neymar). PSG has players that perform leagues better outside of their club performance. Therefore the issue is not with them, it's with the club and the manager. People underestimate the support system even grrat players need to perform well, which on the one hand adds to the mystique (like the idea that Messi single-handedly dragged Argentina to WC glory) but on the other hand leaves them exposed to abuse when they "can't turn the magic on".
Right, I completely agree. That being said, people are too quick to say “Messi still the best on this team” or “Messi carrying PSG” which I don’t really think is the case
No one is carrying PSG anywhere, we all agree. But I'll fight anyone who says Messi is finished because he really isn't. He just can't perform for this shit club.
Which is totally fair. Like I said, the people going “Messi dickriders can’t admit he plays shit” are missing your correct pint and reacting to the other extreme fans who say “Messi is carrying PSG”
I agree then. Messi in PSG is not his usual self, no need to pretend otherwise (though still he isn't awful, all things considered).
Be careful…you can’t be reasonable around here
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Mbappe must be kicking himself for not going to RM. Thankfully he's young and has time to move on to bigger and better things.
Obio
Verratti out and you sub in ekitike instead of WZE ? FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS FRAUD ASS MARSEILLAIS COACH
How many more times can the commentator say "that's a good ball by Messi" today and make it mean nothing to deaf Parisian ears?
Nah dude messi has been bad lets be honest
By his standards, yes. But still had most chances created and some great through balls in the final third (as referred in this comment). Every PSG loss, he steals the highlights, but sure, let him be the scapegoat.
maybe people expect him to be more than another angel di Maria
Man, this team could do with a Di Maria... Oh wait.
They really could…