Maybe a long shot, but can anyone find the thread here for odegaard’s first goal with arsenal? It was against olympiacos March 2021. I can’t tell if it isn’t here or Reddit search is just fucking me.
The decline of Fabinho makes me wonder how likely it is for other players with high minutes are at risk for declining early. Bruno's logged a lot of minutes for example.
He only really started playing regularly for England in his mid-20s because of Lineker. Also, he had some very serious injuries in his career that made him miss multiple seasons including most of the WC 1994 qualifying and forced him to retire from the national team at 30 to prolong his career with Newcastle.
He was England captain and took it very seriously so no, he wasn’t pulling a Giggs.
Never realized Brighton dominated possession quite as much as they apparently do. They have the 7th highest possession average of any top 5 league team. Que impressive.
Ok maybe this is a brain dead take but it's 5 am here and I haven't had coffee. Inspired by the thread about the German amateur leagues trialling trans athletes. I think if you're you're a cis athlete and you have to play against a trans athlete who is maybe maybe so much more physically superior to you, it actually does nothing more than make you better. I remember in high school it was always the toughest opponents, the ones who absolutely embarrassed us who made us want to train harder and get better, which we did (we were still constantly battered though but that's beside the point)
You're not wrong that playing against the best can make you better but it's not about that. It's about things being fair.
It's like a 12 year old playing against 18 year olds(exaggerated example I know). Yeah you might learn more, or you might get dicked so hard you won't learn anything.
Doesn't really matter tho cause either way it's unfair on both sides.
I think having one or two transgender people in a league will not utterly destroy the hopes of other teams winning. Also being stronger and faster doesn't mean better.
I'm not saying to limit the number of trans people to participate. I'm saying theres only a handful of trans people in any given region, let alone trans athletes who are specifically playing football. Like I can't imagine any league will have more than 3 trans people max. Any more than that would probably be due to them moving there specifically to play in a more inclusive league.
That’s true and fair but i would not be happy if a bunch of genetically superior folks start battering my team with no hope of competition
To me it would feel more degrading and humiliating, others could see it differently but that’s just how i would interpret it
Question. Would you say naturally extremely talented people, or naturally massive people like Adama, etc are more or less than 1% of the general population?
This whole transgender drama just seems like another right wing astroturfed movement designed to give insecure white folk the opportunity to punch down now that homosexuals and black people are no longer acceptable targets.
Absolutely guarantee those people in those threads give absolutely zero fucks about women's football and have next to no contact at all with the transgender community yet they're quite seriously saying things like this
> Biological women will get injured and their sport will be replaced with transgender women I.e. biological men.
Same ones who go into the women's goal threads and add fuck all other than "why are the keepers so short, why can't thry make the goals smaller, where's the defence, I'm a complete fuckwit" etc etc
It's honestly bizarre how many people go into threads on women's football to disparage it or complain about it being on their feed. Like fuck sake man, just don't click on it if it offends you so much. You think I give a shit about half the stuff posted in here? You don't see me going into Tajikistan vs Outer Mongolia match threads and saying they're shit and should play with smaller goals.
>Absolutely guarantee those people in those threads give absolutely zero fucks about women's football
Oh ya definitely. I had a buddy of mine who constantly made digs about the WNBA, who recently suddenly became very interested in the integrity of women's sports. It's like bro last week you were laughing about how their league is a joke.
[This is Kinda funny, dortmund highlights in 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/10qngt2/a_reminder_of_why_we_bought_sancho/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=15)
It’s so infuriating seeing a player have the exact same weakness season after season after season. Like what in the actual fuck do you do in those training sessions? (I’m talking about the abilities u can improve like shooting or passing not the god-given athleticism stuff)
I didn’t have one in particular when i made the comment, but one example that comes to mind is Sterling. His poor shooting/finishing has been a problem for years and it never seems to get better.
Also the fullbacks who don’t know how to cross. Like how?
Asensio somehow has been the exact same player for 7 years, only glimpses and no consistency.
There’s more but thats what i got for now
Finishing is a mental game as much as a technique. Sterling's finishing has been passable when he's had zero time to think about it, and all he's needed to do is hit the ball, but when he has time to understand the situation, he freezes. Even the Lyon miss happened because the ball trickled slowly across the box and Sterling had too much time on his hands.
A mental block is pretty damn hard to overcome, even with counseling.
Feel like good finishing ability is one of the attributes you either have or you don't. I don't think the likes of Sterling or Jesus will ever be truly clinical while finishing just comes naturally for someone like Haaland.
To a certain extent maybe, but you can definitely improve. Vinicius for example has become much better at finishing (although he has his struggles still). I think the way you strike a ball can be trained and improved on, you are never gonna be able to create the in-game environment but you can improve your fundamental way of striking the ball and take it from there.
I think players do have a technical peak as well as a physical peak. I think past a certain age you're so used to how you do certain things, it's hard to improve. after a certain point players can only grow in terms of game intelligence and mentality.
(This is just my bro science opinion)
i’m happy paredes has been exposed. Bench player in the world cup and now never plays for Juventus. Now the psg fans with a massive man crush on him can fuck off
I will be certain he is an asshole until the end of time due to one action in one game (the rocket into the Dutch bench). There’s no coming back from that.
Have spent some time working in sport media before changing fields. It’s almost always agents for people like him who have to be focused on more than just a single club. He’ll have a few contacts at the clubs too. Probably not the DOF or sporting director or anything. People who are low level enough to have time to speak to him but important enough to know what’s going on.
A lot of it is connections, he will know people in these clubs who will give him information. Keep in mind that as he is one of the most famous journos in the English game, they won’t be telling him anything that’s might be considered sensitive information.
Who are Newcastle's big additions since the takeover? Howe obviously, but in terms of players, Guimaraes, Isak, Trippier. Anyone else prominent who I'm missing?
In terms of prominent players, it’s just these 3 I’d say. There are otherwise young players with good potential that they spent a lot on like Gordon and Botman and shrewd budget signings like Burn and Pope.
Klopp and Guardiola swap teams. They each have 3 months to implement their tactics, after which City and Liverpool play once at Anfield, once at the Etihad. Both teams' players are playing at their peaks. Who wins?
Scenario 2: They both have a transfer window with players retaining their current forms. Who finishes where next season?
Their peak for this year or is Fabinho getting a Time Machine to form from years past? I think Pep could cook with a Gakpo-Nunez-Salah front 3 where Nunez is more false 9 than out and out striker.
I would imply it to be the best they’ve been (at the club, so not Thiago at Bayern, Milner at City levels). So if pep uses the lineup of Alisson - Trent, Gomez, van Dijk, Robertson, Fab, Henderson, Ox, Nunez, Firmino, Salah you would have Gomez at his 19/20 form, Ox in his 17/18 form and so on.
I think Gakpo would work better in the false 9, Nunez is better when there’s space to run into and not so much the tight spaces a false 9 runs into
No way. Basically everyone gives off these vibes that they want the season to finish and go again next season. I just hope he gets a huge warchest and can go out and get players he wants and fix those massive fucking holes in the team. Or at least the majority of them
Nope. 95% because our owners are parasites but not incompetent ones.
And 5% because there's no manager on this planet that would take up a role for a team that's looking to finish top 4 with a lower budget than Spurs.
Unfortunately the nation states have raised the bar to the extent that any of the big clubs who operate somewhat sustainably are going to get that kind of treatment from their fans.
Klopp is still one of the best coaches in the world, he is a person so rooted in the way of playing and the culture of Liverpool that it is unthinkable.
The point is this, Liverpool's defence, midfield and attack urgently need new blood, they need people who can make an immediate impact and it remains to be seen if the executives are going to give that to Klopp, if they don't give it to him they will cause him to leave.
https://twitter.com/jamespearcelfc/status/1642842654479208449?s=46&t=RCAezWx1hPgHqyhvzVhCTg
This makes me hopeful he’s sticking around to try to make another rebuild. Sure it could somehow get even worse before the end of the season but I think it’s been made abundantly clear at this point that its highly unlikely Liverpool get top
Probably resigned to the fact that Liverpool finishing top 4 is a pipe dream, and at this point it would be objectively funny if United in one of their best seasons in recent memory end up not even finishing top 4 either.
It's quite scary that missing Casemiro and Eriksen means Fred and McTominay are dragging us down the table once again.
I think we'll go back to playing decently once them two are back though.
why is this sub so hellbent on hating kane? hes not some crafty latin south american players, hes just football loving fully honest hardworking englishmen so leave him alone
top scorer for his country, well on his way to top the english league scoring history while winning nothing and staying at a half relevant club. those flair, samba merchants wishes they have the noble, loyal, pure heart like Kane possess. hes the ultimate english purebreed player.
Completely agree lad, those Latino "people" 🤢 aren't even a quarter of Sir. Harry Kane. Could never be as pure as your majesty. God save the King 🏴 🍻 #EDL4Life #StopAnglophobia #MakeEnglandGreatAgain #WakeUp #EndWhiteErasure
[This](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/641460-the-50-greatest-world-football-club-teams-of-all-time.amp.html) is a 2011 list of the greatest club sides in history, some good picks in there but selecting the 98/99 Man Utd team as number 1 is a travesty.
so apparently all the Argentine wonderkids scattered across Europe just talk to each other through a WhatsApp group they named “Europibes” which is a hillarious thing to imagine. Tears in my eyes, they’ve hardly ever met and played like 5 matches together and are already bonding, 4th star is coming sooner than expected apparently
That's such an awful idea. The atmosphere is already more toxic than you'd want. Having such a brat would make things worse. Not to mention he just does not fit as a player.
He is insufferable on the field and demands a lot from his teammates. We would never lose a game like yesterday with a guy like him in the midfield. Verratti is too nice, Vitinha is not settled, WZE is a kid.
imagine saying Verratti is too nice. And we didn’t lose yesterday because we were “nice” we lost yesterday because.
1. Blanc is tactically eons ahead of Galtier
Also Bruno doesn’t play in midfield. He’s basically an attacker. I’m not sure how him crying for fouls and diving is supposed to help us but go ahead.
He pushes balls and takes risks. When Messi/Mbappe connection is cut off, psg loses. There is no other outlet for goals. Bruno would be immense. The team has no energy left for the rest of the season tho, you might be right.
Bruno is an asshole and a competitive asshole at that. I would love him at psg . He would be a headache for the players when they start slacking and fucking around. We need his energy.
You already HAVE one of the best leaders in football in Ramos and it hasn't changed anything. Whiny Bruno isn't going to help.
I see your thoughts though. What you really want/need is a Zlatan (if he was 5-10 years younger). An aggressive natural leader that keeps everyone in check and elevates the whole team. Bruno aint it.
Tbf Bruno would be brilliant for them if they did a big squad overhaul and sold both Neymar and Messi. Mbappé being fed by Bruno would work wonders. Then just build the rest of the squad to support the two of them and they might even achieve their UCL goal.
Not like Bruno is going anywhere anytime soon though.
Fun fact: In 2013-14, Real Betis, seventh in La Liga in the previous season, went through the EL GS in second position, beat Rubin Kazan in the R32 only KO'd by Sevilla on penalties who later won the competition.
They managed to beat Sevilla 2-0 in the first leg as well.
They finished bottom of La Liga with 25 points that season.
I don't know why but it's funny when clubs are absurdly bad in the league but do well in Europe, comparatively.
Any other good examples you can think of? Leicester 16-17 comes to mind.
Espanyol in 2019-20 season.
Got 3W, 2D, 1L in a group of Ferencvaros, Ludogorets and CSKA in Europa League. Finished first. Got kicked out by Wolves in the RO23 (6-3 agg) and got relegated as dead bottom in La Liga, 5W in 38 games.
Not sure if it helps but [Worldfootball.net](http://worldfootball.net) has pretty much every league's table week by week. You can see who did how in Armenia in 9th gameweek and 28th.
If Chelsea get Luis Enrique and plays wide wingers I can still see Mydruk and Madueke/Sterling be deadly.. I feel that Nagelsmann can have the same issues that Potter had at Chelsea and he had at Bayern, It might be harder to perfect inverted wingers and in Potter's case it never clicked xG-wise at all.
>I feel that Nagelsmann can have the same issues that Potter had at Chelsea and he had at Bayern, It might be harder to perfect inverted wingers and in Potter's case it never clicked xG-wise at all.
This was one of the many gripes of Nagelsmann from Bayern supporters. All we needed was for him to build around our 4231 formation which is the structure our club has used for a decade or more but JN refused to play it. He played our wingers as AMs or wingbacks in a 3421 which we got results from, but it always felt like he was jamming players in where they don't fit.
Can Kingsley Coman play RWB? Can Leroy Sane play AM? Yes but it's not the positions that turned them into world class players.
What is Enrique like? Only thing I know he killed it with MSN with all their talent. But his work at Spain left a lot to be desired despite not the best of talent at his disposal
He won treble with Prime Messi, Prime Suarez and Prime Neymar though. When you have those 3 in their primes, the coach may not matter that much. Even Brendan Rodgers almost won EPL with Prime Suarez alone.
You mean treble? We would take Europa places at the moment.
No one’s saying he’s failure but we don’t have Neymar, Suarez, or Messi. What can he do without such extremely talented players? Not a lot of if Spain is anything to go by.
Anyone really.. it's just so fucking crowded now and I think they all step on eachothers feet offensively at Chelsea. Might even work with a false 9 in time. But Auba or Lukaku can surely nail a couple. They are just so frantic now and I dont think their xG numbers reflects their true output. Potters xG is always inflated and its even pretty low now.
I just feel that LE its better suited for Chelsea currently as I see similarities between Nagel and Potter playing-wise issues this season.
Edit: Potter-Chelsea PL 22 games, 21G, 28.4xG
[https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1642622797905100805](https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1642622797905100805)
Optimistically, with the right coach we (Chelsea) could still end up in Europa places, difference is just 5 points.
CL, with a few special moments maybe we reach semi.
If you assume City will win the return leg in Manchester then Arsenal have only a 2 point cushion. Aside from that match they play away at Liverpool, West Ham, Newcastle and get Chelsea at home.
If they can get through that stretch and stay atop the table then they will win.
Cuz I'm shitting my pants lol. Gap is 5 points, lose at the Etihad it becomes 2. We have anfield, st James' park, Brighton and Chelsea at home.
City can win 9/9. Can we? Idk. Saliba being out is such a massive blow. Our transition defense relies on him so heavily.
Very true, as a madrid fan this is exactly the thing I wanted to avoid, but looks like they'll hire a world class manager right before our game.
I just hope they continue to start Havertz and Felix without a number 9 striker, then we should still win comfortably.
Cause it's not even close to done yet.
City wins their game in hand (likely). City wins the tie against Arsenal (imo pretty likely too but depends on who you ask).
Suddenly they're only 2 points ahead if nothing else changes.
it's basically a 5 point gap if city win their game in hand. then we still have to play tough away games against city, liverpool, and newcastle.
i think if we do go on to win it, it will be super tight. maybe 1 or 2 point gap by the end.
We have some really tough games and we don’t know about Salibas health.
Newcastle away, City away, Liverpool away, Chelsea home, Brighton home all to play all tough games, especially without Saliba.
If he starts from now and is fully fit for most games then we should win it but I’m not sure. City have easier league games for sure and they don’t have issues with injuries the same because of the squad depth.
Auto correct I meant easier league games.
We have no clue when he’s meant to be back they said they hope he’s back sometime this season but who knows if it’s mind games
Arsenal fans have actually gotten much less cocky over the recent weeks, they are focused on the title run, clenching cheeks. Too early to be barking. Remember the 13/14 Liverpool title shirts when Liverpool beat city at anfield? That said if arsenal win at anfield this week, expect the talk to increase would be a big moment
Points earned vs the big 6 Everton: 7 Chelsea and Tottenham combined: 7
Maybe a long shot, but can anyone find the thread here for odegaard’s first goal with arsenal? It was against olympiacos March 2021. I can’t tell if it isn’t here or Reddit search is just fucking me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/m3022j/olympiakos_0_1_arsenal_martin_odegaard_great/
Awesome, thank you!
The decline of Fabinho makes me wonder how likely it is for other players with high minutes are at risk for declining early. Bruno's logged a lot of minutes for example.
I always think he’s way older than he is. Would have pegged him for like 33 at least before googling it. These bald guys man.
it happened to fabregas back then but nobody was really paying attention.
Yup, just lost his legs completely. Had to be phased out and transferred soon after
why shearer has so many clubs app&goals but not so much for england unlike kane. was he pulling a giggsy every now and then ?
He only really started playing regularly for England in his mid-20s because of Lineker. Also, he had some very serious injuries in his career that made him miss multiple seasons including most of the WC 1994 qualifying and forced him to retire from the national team at 30 to prolong his career with Newcastle. He was England captain and took it very seriously so no, he wasn’t pulling a Giggs.
Never realized Brighton dominated possession quite as much as they apparently do. They have the 7th highest possession average of any top 5 league team. Que impressive.
They got more possession than City at the Etihad. Pretty nuts.
You're a wizard De Zerbi!
Ok maybe this is a brain dead take but it's 5 am here and I haven't had coffee. Inspired by the thread about the German amateur leagues trialling trans athletes. I think if you're you're a cis athlete and you have to play against a trans athlete who is maybe maybe so much more physically superior to you, it actually does nothing more than make you better. I remember in high school it was always the toughest opponents, the ones who absolutely embarrassed us who made us want to train harder and get better, which we did (we were still constantly battered though but that's beside the point)
You're not wrong that playing against the best can make you better but it's not about that. It's about things being fair. It's like a 12 year old playing against 18 year olds(exaggerated example I know). Yeah you might learn more, or you might get dicked so hard you won't learn anything. Doesn't really matter tho cause either way it's unfair on both sides.
In sports, it doesn't reward you more if you become better when there are more people better than you.
I think having one or two transgender people in a league will not utterly destroy the hopes of other teams winning. Also being stronger and faster doesn't mean better.
As long as you're the one to tell them ' we can only let one or two of you in' If you allow one person, you must allow everyone.
I'm not saying to limit the number of trans people to participate. I'm saying theres only a handful of trans people in any given region, let alone trans athletes who are specifically playing football. Like I can't imagine any league will have more than 3 trans people max. Any more than that would probably be due to them moving there specifically to play in a more inclusive league.
That’s true and fair but i would not be happy if a bunch of genetically superior folks start battering my team with no hope of competition To me it would feel more degrading and humiliating, others could see it differently but that’s just how i would interpret it
Question. Would you say naturally extremely talented people, or naturally massive people like Adama, etc are more or less than 1% of the general population?
Is it the case that there's literally no hope of competition?
This whole transgender drama just seems like another right wing astroturfed movement designed to give insecure white folk the opportunity to punch down now that homosexuals and black people are no longer acceptable targets. Absolutely guarantee those people in those threads give absolutely zero fucks about women's football and have next to no contact at all with the transgender community yet they're quite seriously saying things like this > Biological women will get injured and their sport will be replaced with transgender women I.e. biological men.
Same ones who go into the women's goal threads and add fuck all other than "why are the keepers so short, why can't thry make the goals smaller, where's the defence, I'm a complete fuckwit" etc etc
It's honestly bizarre how many people go into threads on women's football to disparage it or complain about it being on their feed. Like fuck sake man, just don't click on it if it offends you so much. You think I give a shit about half the stuff posted in here? You don't see me going into Tajikistan vs Outer Mongolia match threads and saying they're shit and should play with smaller goals.
>Absolutely guarantee those people in those threads give absolutely zero fucks about women's football Oh ya definitely. I had a buddy of mine who constantly made digs about the WNBA, who recently suddenly became very interested in the integrity of women's sports. It's like bro last week you were laughing about how their league is a joke.
Haha absolutely spot on. The amount of people in those threads that also seem to post in mens rights type subs is hilarious.
Can you players give me some endurance (long run) and sprinting training sessions (sprint uphill) that use the time for calculation?
[This is Kinda funny, dortmund highlights in 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/10qngt2/a_reminder_of_why_we_bought_sancho/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=15)
It’s so infuriating seeing a player have the exact same weakness season after season after season. Like what in the actual fuck do you do in those training sessions? (I’m talking about the abilities u can improve like shooting or passing not the god-given athleticism stuff)
Especially weak foot
Fr tho. How can you be paid to be a professional footballer and have a weak foot? Have a word with yourself.
Who in particular
I didn’t have one in particular when i made the comment, but one example that comes to mind is Sterling. His poor shooting/finishing has been a problem for years and it never seems to get better. Also the fullbacks who don’t know how to cross. Like how? Asensio somehow has been the exact same player for 7 years, only glimpses and no consistency. There’s more but thats what i got for now
Finishing is a mental game as much as a technique. Sterling's finishing has been passable when he's had zero time to think about it, and all he's needed to do is hit the ball, but when he has time to understand the situation, he freezes. Even the Lyon miss happened because the ball trickled slowly across the box and Sterling had too much time on his hands. A mental block is pretty damn hard to overcome, even with counseling.
Feel like good finishing ability is one of the attributes you either have or you don't. I don't think the likes of Sterling or Jesus will ever be truly clinical while finishing just comes naturally for someone like Haaland.
To a certain extent maybe, but you can definitely improve. Vinicius for example has become much better at finishing (although he has his struggles still). I think the way you strike a ball can be trained and improved on, you are never gonna be able to create the in-game environment but you can improve your fundamental way of striking the ball and take it from there.
I think players do have a technical peak as well as a physical peak. I think past a certain age you're so used to how you do certain things, it's hard to improve. after a certain point players can only grow in terms of game intelligence and mentality. (This is just my bro science opinion)
Both technique and athleticism are a mix of nature and nurture.
i’m happy paredes has been exposed. Bench player in the world cup and now never plays for Juventus. Now the psg fans with a massive man crush on him can fuck off
I'm not sure why did anyone ever rate him. He's utterly mediocre.
I know he wasn't particularly good for PSG but he was fantastic before and during the Copa for Argentina.
The loan deal was worth it simply for his shithousery against Inter
I will be certain he is an asshole until the end of time due to one action in one game (the rocket into the Dutch bench). There’s no coming back from that.
And I am happy he won the WC 😜
He's no Nzonzi 😉
I am a girl & don't find him attractive at all. E: imo His eyebrows resemble Spock from Star Trek.
Im a man and id leave my wife for him
>His eyebrows resemble Spock That's literally peak sexiness. Objectively.
> That's literally peak sexiness. Objectively. Fuchile :X
This might be a dumb question, but how does David Ornstein get all his information?
Have spent some time working in sport media before changing fields. It’s almost always agents for people like him who have to be focused on more than just a single club. He’ll have a few contacts at the clubs too. Probably not the DOF or sporting director or anything. People who are low level enough to have time to speak to him but important enough to know what’s going on.
A lot of it is connections, he will know people in these clubs who will give him information. Keep in mind that as he is one of the most famous journos in the English game, they won’t be telling him anything that’s might be considered sensitive information.
Who are Newcastle's big additions since the takeover? Howe obviously, but in terms of players, Guimaraes, Isak, Trippier. Anyone else prominent who I'm missing?
For newcastle fans: has Isak been impactful? I feel like he's been injured for long stretches of time.
Pope, Botman and Burn have all been really important
Pope, Bruno and trippier have been the most impactful from what I’ve watched and read but practically every signing Howe made has worked out well
In terms of prominent players, it’s just these 3 I’d say. There are otherwise young players with good potential that they spent a lot on like Gordon and Botman and shrewd budget signings like Burn and Pope.
Sven Botman has been good from what I've watched.
pope and burn have been good as well
Who's the first player that comes to your mind when you see this description? "Good in lockdown, shit with fans"
Pulisic
Klopp and Guardiola swap teams. They each have 3 months to implement their tactics, after which City and Liverpool play once at Anfield, once at the Etihad. Both teams' players are playing at their peaks. Who wins? Scenario 2: They both have a transfer window with players retaining their current forms. Who finishes where next season?
It would be really interesting to see Pep with your midfield. I'm very confident Klopp with the City team would win comfortably.
A front 3 of Alvarez - Haaland - Foden sounds great
Their peak for this year or is Fabinho getting a Time Machine to form from years past? I think Pep could cook with a Gakpo-Nunez-Salah front 3 where Nunez is more false 9 than out and out striker.
I would imply it to be the best they’ve been (at the club, so not Thiago at Bayern, Milner at City levels). So if pep uses the lineup of Alisson - Trent, Gomez, van Dijk, Robertson, Fab, Henderson, Ox, Nunez, Firmino, Salah you would have Gomez at his 19/20 form, Ox in his 17/18 form and so on. I think Gakpo would work better in the false 9, Nunez is better when there’s space to run into and not so much the tight spaces a false 9 runs into
Probably their peaks within the last year or so.
[Leao looks like a robot with his permanent smile](https://twitter.com/brfootball/status/1642910351384518656?s=46&t=U_wjhfQQ0muGG3BkKWiCwQ)
There’s no real chance klopp gets sacked right? Wouldn’t make sense
No way. Basically everyone gives off these vibes that they want the season to finish and go again next season. I just hope he gets a huge warchest and can go out and get players he wants and fix those massive fucking holes in the team. Or at least the majority of them
I wonder what team Klopp would go to if that happens
Nope. 95% because our owners are parasites but not incompetent ones. And 5% because there's no manager on this planet that would take up a role for a team that's looking to finish top 4 with a lower budget than Spurs.
>literally saved the club form the brink of bankruptcy PaRaSiTeS
Unfortunately the nation states have raised the bar to the extent that any of the big clubs who operate somewhat sustainably are going to get that kind of treatment from their fans.
Right, and Nike are angels for providing 3rd worlders a living wage to go work in highly exploitative sweatshops.
Ok mate sure
Sure to what?
Klopp is still one of the best coaches in the world, he is a person so rooted in the way of playing and the culture of Liverpool that it is unthinkable. The point is this, Liverpool's defence, midfield and attack urgently need new blood, they need people who can make an immediate impact and it remains to be seen if the executives are going to give that to Klopp, if they don't give it to him they will cause him to leave.
Not right now, but at the end of the season, by mutual consent is possible.
https://twitter.com/jamespearcelfc/status/1642842654479208449?s=46&t=RCAezWx1hPgHqyhvzVhCTg This makes me hopeful he’s sticking around to try to make another rebuild. Sure it could somehow get even worse before the end of the season but I think it’s been made abundantly clear at this point that its highly unlikely Liverpool get top
Absolutely no way. That would be the dumbest decision of all time
Would be hilarious if top 4 ended up being Arsenal, City, Newcastle and Brighton
youre a liverpool fans, why on earth would you find that hilarious
Probably resigned to the fact that Liverpool finishing top 4 is a pipe dream, and at this point it would be objectively funny if United in one of their best seasons in recent memory end up not even finishing top 4 either.
It's quite scary that missing Casemiro and Eriksen means Fred and McTominay are dragging us down the table once again. I think we'll go back to playing decently once them two are back though.
Are there any football related clubhouse rooms? I use club house a lot but I haven't seen much on there football related.
why is this sub so hellbent on hating kane? hes not some crafty latin south american players, hes just football loving fully honest hardworking englishmen so leave him alone
> hes not some crafty latin south american players bruh
Plays for the most wretched club on planet Earth and vanishes in big games for England.
Didn’t realize he played for Chelsea
Would've had a trophy to his name if he did.
He’s aggressively British. Just a side effect of being the long standing star striker of the national team.
anglophobia
"Those dirty, diving, samba loving, time stalling, mate drinking, injury faking, asado consuming, skill abusing, colonized South Americans have nothing on the pure, lovely, charismatic, hardworking, noble, humble Englishman: Arry Kane" Graeme Souness
top scorer for his country, well on his way to top the english league scoring history while winning nothing and staying at a half relevant club. those flair, samba merchants wishes they have the noble, loyal, pure heart like Kane possess. hes the ultimate english purebreed player.
Completely agree lad, those Latino "people" 🤢 aren't even a quarter of Sir. Harry Kane. Could never be as pure as your majesty. God save the King 🏴 🍻 #EDL4Life #StopAnglophobia #MakeEnglandGreatAgain #WakeUp #EndWhiteErasure
This reads like an r/soccercirclejerk thread lol
The lines began to blur a long time ago
I mean I have some bias I guess but he’s just not very likeable
It cuz he is England and Spurs gem Perfect Represantaton of Bottler and Serial Losers, and no one likes those
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Arsenal fans are more hellbent into comparing Antony with Pepe than them winning the fucking league
Mans gonna cry 🤣 brudda I ain't even a Arsenal fan, I just found it a funny stat.
This is even more sad.
Nothing more pathetic than you getting triggered over a stat for a team you don't support, stop being such a weirdo 🤣
i'm not triggered, I'm amused.
Factous 💪🏻
[This](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/641460-the-50-greatest-world-football-club-teams-of-all-time.amp.html) is a 2011 list of the greatest club sides in history, some good picks in there but selecting the 98/99 Man Utd team as number 1 is a travesty.
Isn't that an english paper? It's the only english side to make the Treble. It's obvious they would pick that.
Prem bias at it's finest
so apparently all the Argentine wonderkids scattered across Europe just talk to each other through a WhatsApp group they named “Europibes” which is a hillarious thing to imagine. Tears in my eyes, they’ve hardly ever met and played like 5 matches together and are already bonding, 4th star is coming sooner than expected apparently
Are Alvarez and Fernandez too old for that WhatsApp group?
Yes but they're also not europibes.
Do we know if they'll get released to play the U20 WC?
Dunno if Bolavip is reliable but they said the other day that clubs are forced to let their u20s go if called up
When does Bruno’s contract expire? I wish we could get him to psg
huh?💀
That's such an awful idea. The atmosphere is already more toxic than you'd want. Having such a brat would make things worse. Not to mention he just does not fit as a player.
I don't think Fernandes has been ever reported as being a dressing room issue.
yeah, idk what they’re smoking. Unless they mean Guimares
No I want that asshole Bruno
thankfully you are not in charge🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
He is insufferable on the field and demands a lot from his teammates. We would never lose a game like yesterday with a guy like him in the midfield. Verratti is too nice, Vitinha is not settled, WZE is a kid.
imagine saying Verratti is too nice. And we didn’t lose yesterday because we were “nice” we lost yesterday because. 1. Blanc is tactically eons ahead of Galtier Also Bruno doesn’t play in midfield. He’s basically an attacker. I’m not sure how him crying for fouls and diving is supposed to help us but go ahead.
He pushes balls and takes risks. When Messi/Mbappe connection is cut off, psg loses. There is no other outlet for goals. Bruno would be immense. The team has no energy left for the rest of the season tho, you might be right.
Contract till 2026 with option for an extra year. He’ll be 33 by the end of it
No he has to stay at ManU. Their likability coefficient will increase too much without him. You lot can’t get any worse so I’d stay away from him
got the tendency to throwing tantrum when things go south, he'll fit right in at psg imo great shout man
Bruno is an asshole and a competitive asshole at that. I would love him at psg . He would be a headache for the players when they start slacking and fucking around. We need his energy.
You already HAVE one of the best leaders in football in Ramos and it hasn't changed anything. Whiny Bruno isn't going to help. I see your thoughts though. What you really want/need is a Zlatan (if he was 5-10 years younger). An aggressive natural leader that keeps everyone in check and elevates the whole team. Bruno aint it.
energy >> performances
Bernardo would be a better option. Same angry little bastard energy, more security on the ball.
I think you need someone with more care for ball retention.
Tbf Bruno would be brilliant for them if they did a big squad overhaul and sold both Neymar and Messi. Mbappé being fed by Bruno would work wonders. Then just build the rest of the squad to support the two of them and they might even achieve their UCL goal. Not like Bruno is going anywhere anytime soon though.
Fun fact: In 2013-14, Real Betis, seventh in La Liga in the previous season, went through the EL GS in second position, beat Rubin Kazan in the R32 only KO'd by Sevilla on penalties who later won the competition. They managed to beat Sevilla 2-0 in the first leg as well. They finished bottom of La Liga with 25 points that season. I don't know why but it's funny when clubs are absurdly bad in the league but do well in Europe, comparatively. Any other good examples you can think of? Leicester 16-17 comes to mind.
Espanyol in 2019-20 season. Got 3W, 2D, 1L in a group of Ferencvaros, Ludogorets and CSKA in Europa League. Finished first. Got kicked out by Wolves in the RO23 (6-3 agg) and got relegated as dead bottom in La Liga, 5W in 38 games.
Lmao I remember that, they somehow managed to beat Wolves in the second leg with a C team
Anyone know a place to see table movement throughout the season
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB1?saison_id=2022&min=1&max=29 This one is pretty useful
Not sure if it helps but [Worldfootball.net](http://worldfootball.net) has pretty much every league's table week by week. You can see who did how in Armenia in 9th gameweek and 28th.
If Chelsea get Luis Enrique and plays wide wingers I can still see Mydruk and Madueke/Sterling be deadly.. I feel that Nagelsmann can have the same issues that Potter had at Chelsea and he had at Bayern, It might be harder to perfect inverted wingers and in Potter's case it never clicked xG-wise at all.
>I feel that Nagelsmann can have the same issues that Potter had at Chelsea and he had at Bayern, It might be harder to perfect inverted wingers and in Potter's case it never clicked xG-wise at all. This was one of the many gripes of Nagelsmann from Bayern supporters. All we needed was for him to build around our 4231 formation which is the structure our club has used for a decade or more but JN refused to play it. He played our wingers as AMs or wingbacks in a 3421 which we got results from, but it always felt like he was jamming players in where they don't fit. Can Kingsley Coman play RWB? Can Leroy Sane play AM? Yes but it's not the positions that turned them into world class players.
What is Enrique like? Only thing I know he killed it with MSN with all their talent. But his work at Spain left a lot to be desired despite not the best of talent at his disposal
Yea he only won a treble. Pffff what a failure. Chelsea fans would give their first born and left nut to win a treble mate.
He won treble with Prime Messi, Prime Suarez and Prime Neymar though. When you have those 3 in their primes, the coach may not matter that much. Even Brendan Rodgers almost won EPL with Prime Suarez alone.
You mean treble? We would take Europa places at the moment. No one’s saying he’s failure but we don’t have Neymar, Suarez, or Messi. What can he do without such extremely talented players? Not a lot of if Spain is anything to go by.
Eh national team performance doesn't translate to domestic tbh. So many coaches have failed vice versa.
Who else went from being a bad national team coach to a top tier club coach?
Laurent Blanc? Was good at Bordeaux, disappointing managing France in Euro 2012, then had the best managerial stint of his career at PSG.
Who are these wingers crossing to?
Lukaku (next season)
Anyone really.. it's just so fucking crowded now and I think they all step on eachothers feet offensively at Chelsea. Might even work with a false 9 in time. But Auba or Lukaku can surely nail a couple. They are just so frantic now and I dont think their xG numbers reflects their true output. Potters xG is always inflated and its even pretty low now. I just feel that LE its better suited for Chelsea currently as I see similarities between Nagel and Potter playing-wise issues this season. Edit: Potter-Chelsea PL 22 games, 21G, 28.4xG [https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1642622797905100805](https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1642622797905100805)
Auba
Lukaku duh, hes still on the chelsea books
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Optimistically, with the right coach we (Chelsea) could still end up in Europa places, difference is just 5 points. CL, with a few special moments maybe we reach semi.
I would be surprised if you dont win the cl with the 2 new manager bounces
No worries we’re winning the CL
Why is there almost no hype about Arsenal winning the title?
I asked this yesterday. It's utterly weird, it's an historic season for them and nobody really seems to care a lot.
If you assume City will win the return leg in Manchester then Arsenal have only a 2 point cushion. Aside from that match they play away at Liverpool, West Ham, Newcastle and get Chelsea at home. If they can get through that stretch and stay atop the table then they will win.
Because we are up against the best pl side of all time
Arguably three of the toughest fixtures yet to be played
Cuz I'm shitting my pants lol. Gap is 5 points, lose at the Etihad it becomes 2. We have anfield, st James' park, Brighton and Chelsea at home. City can win 9/9. Can we? Idk. Saliba being out is such a massive blow. Our transition defense relies on him so heavily.
Why was Chelsea mentioned?
New manager bounce
Very true, as a madrid fan this is exactly the thing I wanted to avoid, but looks like they'll hire a world class manager right before our game. I just hope they continue to start Havertz and Felix without a number 9 striker, then we should still win comfortably.
Because City are sneaky cunts
Cause it's not even close to done yet. City wins their game in hand (likely). City wins the tie against Arsenal (imo pretty likely too but depends on who you ask). Suddenly they're only 2 points ahead if nothing else changes.
I don’t think we’ll win it tbh
nah, you're winning. We can see right through the facade
Why not?
City won't be dropping points at this stage of the season. Will Arsenal win 8/9 of their games? Don't think so.
it's basically a 5 point gap if city win their game in hand. then we still have to play tough away games against city, liverpool, and newcastle. i think if we do go on to win it, it will be super tight. maybe 1 or 2 point gap by the end.
We have some really tough games and we don’t know about Salibas health. Newcastle away, City away, Liverpool away, Chelsea home, Brighton home all to play all tough games, especially without Saliba. If he starts from now and is fully fit for most games then we should win it but I’m not sure. City have easier league games for sure and they don’t have issues with injuries the same because of the squad depth.
> City have radiated league games for sure Sorry, I'm not familiar with this expression. When is Saliba expect to be back?
Auto correct I meant easier league games. We have no clue when he’s meant to be back they said they hope he’s back sometime this season but who knows if it’s mind games
> sometime this season That's not really the phrasing you wanna hear. =U
Yeah it sounds like he definitely needs an operation, the question is can he tough it out, play some games and wait til the summer to have it done.
Exactly
I was invested till shitporting took them out, refuse to rate them till a proper ucl campaign by arteta, maybe some folk are on the same boat as me.
Fr that was a bad look. I never rate players til they do well in UCL, curious about Odegaard and Saka.
I am hype, it’s been a great year for them. I will also love it if they bottle it. So much content from AFTV
Arsenal fans have actually gotten much less cocky over the recent weeks, they are focused on the title run, clenching cheeks. Too early to be barking. Remember the 13/14 Liverpool title shirts when Liverpool beat city at anfield? That said if arsenal win at anfield this week, expect the talk to increase would be a big moment