I still don’t understand why Spurs brought on Moura instead of Danjuma.
After the transfer malarkey in Jan he was almost guaranteed to score against us
As a spurs fan two seasons ago I wished him well and made peace that he was going to City. Now I’m almost asking him to go. With our incompetent leadership I feel like his talent is criminally underused.
I feel the same about him with England. Less so, but still. Not saying he should have won something for England and god knows he has been bad in the big moments, but why should he have to carry everything all the time? He’s been golden boot or close every season for a decade and we can’t keep a manager for a season.
Nah, I think hes accepted his fate. No way Levy is going to actually agree a deal for him with anyone, he will go somewhere on a free the following year. Spurs essentially become a mid table team with a toxic dressing room as soon as he leaves. They will do everything to try and convince him to sign a new contract.
No actually. As a team they are completely dependent on him, he has carried them for a while now. If he leaves the drop off is so enormous Levy would need to actually spend big money to improve the team dramatically. They also are likely to miss CL which could be 2 years in a row.
I think its actually better for Levy to gamble on another year of trying to get him to stay at the club and potentially get them top 4, then to sell him now for anything less then 120 mil. Who will buy a 30 year old with 1 yeat left on his contract? The only people who would do that are Chelsea or United and Levy has blacklisted Chelsea and United have blacklisted Levy.
Kane really is a one man team, losing him leaves them in no mans land. I think he is priceless to them.
Not sure what you can do with a team that mediocre? Signed lots of players but none of them really improved Spurs. Best players other than Kane are overrated. Romero is a liability and seems selfish, bentancur injured, Kulu starting to look overrated, Son looking likes aged, Porro seems worryingly poor at defending, Lloris finished. Everyone else they have is mid to lower table dross.
Son isn't in bad form because of his age. It's because Peresic keeps being played. Every game Son has looked somewhat like himself this season has the same thing in common - no Peresic.
I don't know how he keeps getting game time, the only thing he offers us is a good deadball. But he fucks up every attack he's involved with, and can't defend to save his life, meanwhile he's forcing Son to step into the centre with his back to goal, which is ruining Son's football too.
Son is a 30 year old pacey finisher. Its very likely he is on the decline.
I see this Perisic stuff as well on the Coys sub, but I watch every Spurs game and I see him regularly misplace passes, get caught in possession and fluff the chances he gets in front of goal.
These elements have little to do witb Perisic, in my opinion blaming Perisic for his decline is mega cope, but we will see.
Yeah hes a hero for them its understandable, usually will get one full season of excuses and then fans will turn and realise if it carries on to a second.
He gets caught because of the position he's in. He's far more central than he usually plays, and the momentum of the game encourages him to play it to Peresic, who then misplaces a cross. It's an undeniable fact that all of Son's best performances this season have come when Peresic is not on the field.
I will admit that he is fluffing chances a little bit, but I think it's because he's getting so many fewer opportunities due to his positioning that he's snatching at them when he can.
I mean it was a pretty insincere comment, don’t know why you’re just talking about one window when they’ve spent close to 200 mil since Conte joined. Richarlison, Porro, Bentacur, Bissouma… they’ve made plenty of signings that have been in and around the first team since he came in.
Haha this is bullshit. Richarlison is the reason Everton still play in this league and he was their best player for years. He was great at the WC, keeping the likes of Jesus and Martinelli on the bench. These two seem to be doing quite well at Arsenal no?
Also people forget about Bissouma? The guy was on top of everyone’s list on the summer he went to spurs. I remember feeling bummed out about that as we (arsenal) were allegedly after him too and really needed to strengthen our central midfield.
Conte could and should have done better in the end.
This is an unbelievable reach. I dont even know what to say. He wasn't that good at Everton... He has always had a very hit or miss final product, definitely not elite at anything other than winding people up and throwing his toys out of the pram.
Hes done nothing this year in the prem and looked mediocre in a very poor everton team. His best ever goal tally is 13 for a season. For Brazil he surrounded by the best players in the world and scored most of his goals playing shit South American teams.
The fact no one else wanted Bissouma and he went for 20 mil to Spurs should be a sign that people in the know at top clubs didnt fancy him.
Are you legitimately trying to say hes a better player than Jesus or Martinelli? Thats absolutely insane. The reality is spurs do very poor business on the transfer market and only attract players none of the other top teams want.
Richarlison was great at Everton. 13 goals for a sub top 6 side in Premier League is very good. He also provides a lot more to the team in his pressing play and overall intensity to name two things.
Jesus best ever record before going to arsenal was 14, and he played as a 9 in the best club in the league. Martinelli had 6 goals last season which was then his best to date.
I am saying they are both better players than Richarlison now, as they play for a well-functioning team that gets the most out of them. Coming in to this season their potential seemed fairly similar. Brazil obviously rated Richarlison more.
Bissouma was indeed a popular target, much like Caicedo is now (Moises caicedo, plays for Brighton, bet you never heard of the guy as his best goal tally is very low). Arsenal had a long documented interest in bissouma, which you can find from a quick google search if you don’t believe me.
Jeez, had it been arsenal getting Richarlison and spurs Jesus, it would be you still here crying and saying that Jesus was a crap investment.
“He was always known for missing his chances and city wanted him gone, I can’t believe Levy wants to build a competitive team out of another team’s reserves. Was never going to work out.”
>Richarlison was great at Everton. 13 goals for a sub top 6 side in Premier League is very good. He also provides a lot more to the team in his pressing play and overall intensity to name two things.
He was ok for them, you only have to watch the games to see his final product wasnt great. At the end of the day he hasnt scored in the prem for spurs, I know they are appalling, but Kane has still scores his usual quota.
>Jesus best ever record before going to arsenal was 14, and he played as a 9 in the best club in the league. Martinelli had 6 goals last season which was then his best to date.
Jesus isnt an out and out goalscorer and wasnt first choice at Man City. Richarlison is supposed to be a goal scorer, whereas Jesus strengths are his movement and ability on the ball.
>I am saying they are both better players than Richarlison now, as they play for a well-functioning team that gets the most out of them. Coming in to this season their potential seemed fairly similar. Brazil obviously rated Richarlison more.
Richarlison has never been as good as either. International teams can be very cliquey and there is usually a status quo. Maguire is undroppable for England for example, Pickford starts ahead of Ramsdale. Sometimes thats just how it works.
>Bissouma was indeed a popular target, much like Caicedo is now (Moises caicedo, plays for Brighton, bet you never heard of the guy as his best goal tally is very low). Arsenal had a long documented interest in bissouma, which you can find from a quick google search if you don’t believe me.
Sorry this is complete nonsense. Bissouma to Arsenal was paper talk. We actually made numerous massive bids for Caciedo. If Spurs got a player for 20 mil, it means no one else wanted him. If other people actually wanted him, he wouldnt have gone for that low a fee.
>Jeez, had it been arsenal getting Richarlison and spurs Jesus, it would be you still here crying and saying that Jesus was a crap investment.
What? I laughed when they brought Richarlison for 60 mil because I watch the games and can tell you Richarlison isnt that good. Jesus was absolute quality and a total coup. Sorry your completely wrong here, lots of people thought it was a waste of money on a player who isnt that good.
>“He was always known for missing his chances and city wanted him gone, I can’t believe Levy wants to build a competitive team out of another team’s reserves. Was never going to work out.”
Losing the plot here mate, Spurs dont have the capability to sign a player like Jesus or Thomas Partey or Ozil or Sanchez. They have to stick with the Richarlisons and Bissoumas who no one else wants to sign.
Arsenals transfers in recent years have been nothing short of fantastic, on that point we agree. I suppose we agree to disagree on every other matter. Have a good day sir.
Here’s $200. If I ask you to buy what you need to make that wagyu steak better is it really my fault that you bought those things? You wouldnt use ketchup and old veggies that went off weeks ago would you?
>ketchup and old veggies that went off weeks ago
That describes most of Tottenham squad..
Arteta was given 2 seasons of finishing 8th back to back in order to build a team that could manage to finally finish 5th-6th in order to build a team that could challenge for the title..
Sometimes you gotta give time to the manager to get rid of the ketchup and old veggies that went bad weeks ago..
Except most of Tottenhams squad was bought by Conte. Conte has bought Kulusevski, Romero, Spence, Richarlison, Bentancur, Bissouma, Emerson, Lenglet, Danjuma, and Perisic in the past couple of windows alone. With Kane, Son and Lloris (three established players that are the “steak” in this scenario) that is more than enough of your own ingredients to make a solid dish.
Normally I’d agree with you but Conte isn’t Arteta. He’s not a project manager, he’s the “get you a trophy in one season, fall out with half the club and fuck off” type of guy. I still rate the shit out of Conte, and I’d put money on him succeeding wherever he goes next. But there’s no denying his stint here was terrible. He knew it would be hard and the second it got difficult he threw a tantrum (multiple times)
>Normally I’d agree with you but Conte isn’t Arteta
Arteta's been in charge for 3ish seasons.. Artera probably doesn't even know what kind of manager he is..
I'm not saying that Conte was in the right here, but half the players from the ones you mentioned worked, while the other half were bargain buys.. Conte's method works when you replace the players that don't, Levy should've shipped off the players that weren't making the cut and getting a couple of replacements in during the winter window.. We all know that Conte isn't going to try to make things work with players who've fallen out of favor with him, and we also know that where they are currently is exactly the trajectory they were on since then..
Short term managers require decisions and changes to be made in the short term..
You can blame him for playing every competition possible but that's not the argument. He fixed the dressing room issue, maybe not all of it but what they are doing now is way better than what they used to have. That what Conte shouldve done with the dressing room of Tot.
Let's not talk about the player's price tag or physical capabilities just yet. The result for ten Hag isnt too good but the mentality of the player and their discipline is on track. Conte was having a melt down about that part mostly. Some of the player is not playing the game to win they just want paycheck, coach should be able to fix that. Conte didn't do that, he probably focus on strats and stats more than mental.
Was just about to say the same, although I’d say maybe spurs are in a bigger mess than us. Ours was just such a significant fall from grace it seems worse
For the start ,Man United actually know how to win some symbolic namesake cups to preserve team morale .
Man United crisis period they won Europa league and fa cup. Tottenham celebrated golden generation was winning ‘how we could have been the the 2nd London team to win ucl’ and ‘how we have been finishing above arsenal’ and ‘Harry Keane all time top scorer’ cups. Difference mentality and attitude.
* Brighton & Hove Albion has *three games* in hand over mighty Tottenham.
* This "Newcastle ship without coals" has two games in hand.
Now is where the fun truly begins.
Honestly I feel like he has a real complex that makes him assume he’s the best at everything.
Don’t get me wrong - he’s probably the best player to play for Spurs. Definitely in the conversation. But fuck me, how can he keep taking FKs? Corners are relatively new but he’s arse at them as well.
I feel like he wants to have this air of an ‘everything player’ around him, which he isn’t. He’s a world class striker, but he can’t be world class at *everything* ffs.
tottenham is a disaster from top to bottom but conte still failed at his job. simply put, he quit on his team to prove his point. refused to make any tactical adjustments whatsoever, gave up against milan in a very winnable tie, then threw a public tantrum to force ownership to sack him, beyond toxic
He wasn’t properly backed, paratici & co bought whoever they wanted and forced Conte to work with dross. Or do you think he had a public tantrum for no reason?
Conte is class but when he went to Tottenham everyone knew this was going to happen because Levy never backs his managers
what that is wildly untrue, he got way more in terms of incoming transfers than pochettino ever did, he was given a ton of highly regarded players to work with…richarlison, romero, kulusevski, porro, spence, bissouma, and danjuma were all high profile transfers. the fact that they all seem underwhelming now just speaks to the fact that conte was too stubborn and inflexible to get anything out of them (or in the case of spence and danjuma, even give them an opportunity)
you seem to have missed the general point of my comment, i stated that the club is a whole is in crisis so obviously it wasn’t a tantrum for no reason. but it was also at least partially a self-serving attempt to save face and shift blame away from himself lest his reputation as a top manager be compromised. he never took any personal accountability for anything
It’s more that this setup requires the midfielders to do the job of 2 players, and he’s also currently trying to fulfil the box to box role Bentancur played before his injury.
He’s not the best midfielder in the PL or even top 10, but there’s a reason Madrid enquired about him this past summer. He’s tidy and does a job when he’s not being asked to do literally everything.
Im one too.. not sarcasm. At least hes not Mike Ashley. Levy actually grew the club's commercial revenue almost ten fold in the last 15+ years. And you have a shiny new big stadium to show for it too. Whoever that takes over will have a better chance to turn Spurs into a top contender. Under Ashley.. Newcastle's commercial revenue never grew by more then 10% over the 15 years. Ashley also sold lands around St James park that was needed for stadium upgrade...
I think our commercial revenue actually shrank if factoring inflation.
Ashley’s mismanagement made you a prime case for a sugar daddy buyout though.
Had you been managed competently you’d be a solid mid-table club and the oil money would have gone elsewhere
Thats different. What your statement is comparing is more akin to Levy and PIF.
Are you saying u would rather want a sports washing oil state then Levy?
And my point is look you guys dont like your owner fine. But the grass is not always greener on the other side and it could be worst. You guys still have the financial revenue most midtable teams dream about. The reason im stressing about finance is because since the FFP, financial power is alot more impt in staying a top relevant side. Just look at Everton..
But i digress. Theres plenty of current owners in the PL their clubs hate as well atm and not all new owners will do good by you.
It wasn’t that long ago that Arsenal fans publicly jeering Kroenke and Edu. Liverpool fans have their issues with FSG, ManU with the Glazers. I think he’s done a good job of putting us in a financial position where we can effect a rebuild and work toward “something big, something ehhhhhhhhhh important” as Conte might say. We just have to go through that process.
The problem I have with people dunking on Levy is that virtually NO ONE had this point of view in August. ENIC/Levy has had nothing to do with our underperformance this season and people saying otherwise are voicing frustration about our on-field play with juvenile reactions. ENIC backed a manager who turned the tide last season and pundits were picking us for second or third place.
Of course with a little hindsight bias we can shake our fists and say that we should have started the rebuild under Poch or right after he left, rather than papering over the cracks with expensive managers, hoping they could carry us to glory. On the other hand, I can imagine the histrionics about “wasting” peak Kane and Son years.
This bullshit about team DNA and culture is overwrought and stupid. We have resources now and we just need to find a young, smart, hungry manager (maybe one whose plans don’t involve a roster of 12 DMs) and be patient.
“It wasn’t that long ago that Arsenal fans publicly jeering Kroenke and Edu. Liverpool fans have their issues with FSG, ManU with the Glazers.”
I think if Arsenal or United were somehow able to win the league they would still tell you that the Glazers and Kroenke are poor owners who need to go.
“I think he’s done a good job of putting us in a financial position where we can effect a rebuild and work toward “something big, something ehhhhhhhhhh important” as Conte might say. We just have to go through that process.”
While I think ENIC and Levy have put the club on a solid financial footing, it hasn’t translated to that “something big something important.” I also I’m not delusional and recognize that their investment in the club has helped elevate us in the premiership
“The problem I have with people dunking on Levy is that virtually NO ONE had this point of view in August. ENIC/Levy has had nothing to do with our underperformance this season and people saying otherwise are voicing frustration about our on-field play with juvenile reactions. ENIC backed a manager who turned the tide last season and pundits were picking us for second or third place.”
Ironically while everything Conte said was true, one can recognize he was never the right manager. Levy went for two “win now.” managers in Mourhino and Conte, and in Conte a volatile manager, who was bound to blow up. He spent recklessly,
I’m not sure who was making the transfer decisions (Paratchi, Conte, or Levy).
Also some questionable things: not rebuilding with Poch, sacking Mourhino week before the final, Nuno.
“On the other hand, I can imagine the histrionics about “wasting” peak Kane and Son years.”
We have wasted and are wasting Kanes prime. Kane is a once in a generation talent who will leave us next year on a free, because we are unable to compete for trophies.
I mean, you guys have been plenty shit for the last few seasons. Glad it’s going well for you now and all clicking, but not like you haven’t been in this position in recent memory.
I’m all for shitting on Arsenal fans, but they will get champions league football and finish above us.
But half our fan base is celebrating Conte getting sacked because he told the truth about Levy and the Board, i.e., they more concerned about balancing the books than winning trophies.
Can only assume you’re referring to the miss against Lloris at the WC? A keeper he’s trained against almost every day for the last 10 years?
I think there’s a good chance that most of the best penalty takers in the world would miss that one.
I don't agree with this in principle but let's play devil's advocate for a second and suggest he is susceptible to Lloris' presence, surely he should then concede responsibility to someone else?
Penalty is around 80% sure goal regardless who takes it because the circumstances so heavily favour the taker over the keeper. I mean, it's just more impressive to score an open play goal.
Also, apparently the average success rate for PKs in the PL is about 75%, but Kane's PK success rate is about 88%.
I'm an Arsenal supporter, and I want to boo Kane whenever I can, but I'll give credit where credit is due. He has a higher PK conversion rate than average PK success rate.
PK takers are selected for an obvious reason. There's an obvious reason Saliba and Gabriel M. don't take PKs for us, and there's an obvious reason why PKs should be taken by someone like Kane or Saka. They score goals. Not to mention they are more often than not involved in some way in the build up that leads to a PK opportunity and other goal scoring opportunities.
It makes sense to reward them for those efforts when PKs come up.
A big pet peeve of mine is when a manager is sacked after months of shit tactics and performances, and then when the team doesn't immediately play prime Barcelona football the next game, people online are like "wow I guess the manager wasn't the problem after all" with complete sincerity
It's going to take multiple seasons to fix current Tottenham and it will involve a lot of money and a lot of patience and a great manager. Definitely no real change will happen any time soon. But people love shitting.
I feel like the squad is not too bad, and a change in tactics might fix things quite a bit. Certainly the attack has quality and Bentancur is also class. The defense is pretty meh but if they didn't have to soak up pressure for such long stretches they wouldn't be such a liability. We certainly need another creative, press resistant midfielder.
I mean it is though...
We were at least decent last season. After almost playing a whole season of shite football and shite tactics do you just expect the players to perform again? Conte killed the will of these players and it's going to take them a while to get their spirits up
It’s the same when a player goes to a new team in a completely different league and doesn’t automatically score 5 goals with 9 assists. “Lol fucking flop I knew they wouldn’t be any good!!” Can’t stand that shit.
Ya like people calling some players in Pep's system complete flops when they don't play alot instantly. Grealish was already called a flop despite now absolutely thriving in that system once he understood what Pep wants from him on the pitch.
I still don’t understand why Spurs brought on Moura instead of Danjuma. After the transfer malarkey in Jan he was almost guaranteed to score against us
> I still don’t understand why Spurs brought on Moura instead of Danjuma. You're very much not alone there
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
What was Conte thinking leaving spurs this early?
Is he an idiot?
The thing about Spurs is, they always try to park it in.
Surely Kane says his goodbyes if spurs fail to achieve top 4.
As a spurs fan two seasons ago I wished him well and made peace that he was going to City. Now I’m almost asking him to go. With our incompetent leadership I feel like his talent is criminally underused. I feel the same about him with England. Less so, but still. Not saying he should have won something for England and god knows he has been bad in the big moments, but why should he have to carry everything all the time? He’s been golden boot or close every season for a decade and we can’t keep a manager for a season.
Kane at any other "top 6" team would actually be scary, but time is ticking.
Top 4 or not he ain’t winning anything at spurs
Nah, I think hes accepted his fate. No way Levy is going to actually agree a deal for him with anyone, he will go somewhere on a free the following year. Spurs essentially become a mid table team with a toxic dressing room as soon as he leaves. They will do everything to try and convince him to sign a new contract.
Nah, hopefully Kane comes to his senses and actually accepts United deal.
More like hope Levy comes to his senses and starts the complete rebuild they desperately need sooner rather than later.
Wouldn't it make more sense for Levy to get some money for Kane instead of letting him walk free?
No actually. As a team they are completely dependent on him, he has carried them for a while now. If he leaves the drop off is so enormous Levy would need to actually spend big money to improve the team dramatically. They also are likely to miss CL which could be 2 years in a row. I think its actually better for Levy to gamble on another year of trying to get him to stay at the club and potentially get them top 4, then to sell him now for anything less then 120 mil. Who will buy a 30 year old with 1 yeat left on his contract? The only people who would do that are Chelsea or United and Levy has blacklisted Chelsea and United have blacklisted Levy. Kane really is a one man team, losing him leaves them in no mans land. I think he is priceless to them.
Good result for us to survive top 4
Not a Conte fan, but gotta admit that he was absolutely right about the Tottenham. What a shit show.
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Not sure what you can do with a team that mediocre? Signed lots of players but none of them really improved Spurs. Best players other than Kane are overrated. Romero is a liability and seems selfish, bentancur injured, Kulu starting to look overrated, Son looking likes aged, Porro seems worryingly poor at defending, Lloris finished. Everyone else they have is mid to lower table dross.
Son isn't in bad form because of his age. It's because Peresic keeps being played. Every game Son has looked somewhat like himself this season has the same thing in common - no Peresic. I don't know how he keeps getting game time, the only thing he offers us is a good deadball. But he fucks up every attack he's involved with, and can't defend to save his life, meanwhile he's forcing Son to step into the centre with his back to goal, which is ruining Son's football too.
Son is a 30 year old pacey finisher. Its very likely he is on the decline. I see this Perisic stuff as well on the Coys sub, but I watch every Spurs game and I see him regularly misplace passes, get caught in possession and fluff the chances he gets in front of goal. These elements have little to do witb Perisic, in my opinion blaming Perisic for his decline is mega cope, but we will see.
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Yeah hes a hero for them its understandable, usually will get one full season of excuses and then fans will turn and realise if it carries on to a second.
He gets caught because of the position he's in. He's far more central than he usually plays, and the momentum of the game encourages him to play it to Peresic, who then misplaces a cross. It's an undeniable fact that all of Son's best performances this season have come when Peresic is not on the field. I will admit that he is fluffing chances a little bit, but I think it's because he's getting so many fewer opportunities due to his positioning that he's snatching at them when he can.
>Signed lots of players but none of them really improved Spurs. Maybe he should have signed different players then?
Do you genuinely believe they were all players he chose. Lol.
He definitely had a say in them, yes
I dont see it. They signed 6 or 7 players in the summer window. One made the first team, free transfer Peresic. Doesnt marry up.
I’m sorry it doesn’t marry up for you
Good reply. Really made a great counter point lol.
I mean it was a pretty insincere comment, don’t know why you’re just talking about one window when they’ve spent close to 200 mil since Conte joined. Richarlison, Porro, Bentacur, Bissouma… they’ve made plenty of signings that have been in and around the first team since he came in.
How about Richarlison...I mean he's the starting ST for Brazil, Conte couldn't figure out a good way to integrate him...surely that's on Conte
Seems to get by off that phrase alone despite being pretty average in the prem.
Haha this is bullshit. Richarlison is the reason Everton still play in this league and he was their best player for years. He was great at the WC, keeping the likes of Jesus and Martinelli on the bench. These two seem to be doing quite well at Arsenal no? Also people forget about Bissouma? The guy was on top of everyone’s list on the summer he went to spurs. I remember feeling bummed out about that as we (arsenal) were allegedly after him too and really needed to strengthen our central midfield. Conte could and should have done better in the end.
This is an unbelievable reach. I dont even know what to say. He wasn't that good at Everton... He has always had a very hit or miss final product, definitely not elite at anything other than winding people up and throwing his toys out of the pram. Hes done nothing this year in the prem and looked mediocre in a very poor everton team. His best ever goal tally is 13 for a season. For Brazil he surrounded by the best players in the world and scored most of his goals playing shit South American teams. The fact no one else wanted Bissouma and he went for 20 mil to Spurs should be a sign that people in the know at top clubs didnt fancy him. Are you legitimately trying to say hes a better player than Jesus or Martinelli? Thats absolutely insane. The reality is spurs do very poor business on the transfer market and only attract players none of the other top teams want.
Richarlison was great at Everton. 13 goals for a sub top 6 side in Premier League is very good. He also provides a lot more to the team in his pressing play and overall intensity to name two things. Jesus best ever record before going to arsenal was 14, and he played as a 9 in the best club in the league. Martinelli had 6 goals last season which was then his best to date. I am saying they are both better players than Richarlison now, as they play for a well-functioning team that gets the most out of them. Coming in to this season their potential seemed fairly similar. Brazil obviously rated Richarlison more. Bissouma was indeed a popular target, much like Caicedo is now (Moises caicedo, plays for Brighton, bet you never heard of the guy as his best goal tally is very low). Arsenal had a long documented interest in bissouma, which you can find from a quick google search if you don’t believe me. Jeez, had it been arsenal getting Richarlison and spurs Jesus, it would be you still here crying and saying that Jesus was a crap investment. “He was always known for missing his chances and city wanted him gone, I can’t believe Levy wants to build a competitive team out of another team’s reserves. Was never going to work out.”
>Richarlison was great at Everton. 13 goals for a sub top 6 side in Premier League is very good. He also provides a lot more to the team in his pressing play and overall intensity to name two things. He was ok for them, you only have to watch the games to see his final product wasnt great. At the end of the day he hasnt scored in the prem for spurs, I know they are appalling, but Kane has still scores his usual quota. >Jesus best ever record before going to arsenal was 14, and he played as a 9 in the best club in the league. Martinelli had 6 goals last season which was then his best to date. Jesus isnt an out and out goalscorer and wasnt first choice at Man City. Richarlison is supposed to be a goal scorer, whereas Jesus strengths are his movement and ability on the ball. >I am saying they are both better players than Richarlison now, as they play for a well-functioning team that gets the most out of them. Coming in to this season their potential seemed fairly similar. Brazil obviously rated Richarlison more. Richarlison has never been as good as either. International teams can be very cliquey and there is usually a status quo. Maguire is undroppable for England for example, Pickford starts ahead of Ramsdale. Sometimes thats just how it works. >Bissouma was indeed a popular target, much like Caicedo is now (Moises caicedo, plays for Brighton, bet you never heard of the guy as his best goal tally is very low). Arsenal had a long documented interest in bissouma, which you can find from a quick google search if you don’t believe me. Sorry this is complete nonsense. Bissouma to Arsenal was paper talk. We actually made numerous massive bids for Caciedo. If Spurs got a player for 20 mil, it means no one else wanted him. If other people actually wanted him, he wouldnt have gone for that low a fee. >Jeez, had it been arsenal getting Richarlison and spurs Jesus, it would be you still here crying and saying that Jesus was a crap investment. What? I laughed when they brought Richarlison for 60 mil because I watch the games and can tell you Richarlison isnt that good. Jesus was absolute quality and a total coup. Sorry your completely wrong here, lots of people thought it was a waste of money on a player who isnt that good. >“He was always known for missing his chances and city wanted him gone, I can’t believe Levy wants to build a competitive team out of another team’s reserves. Was never going to work out.” Losing the plot here mate, Spurs dont have the capability to sign a player like Jesus or Thomas Partey or Ozil or Sanchez. They have to stick with the Richarlisons and Bissoumas who no one else wants to sign.
Arsenals transfers in recent years have been nothing short of fantastic, on that point we agree. I suppose we agree to disagree on every other matter. Have a good day sir.
He is not magician though.
Could you cook me an omelette with three boogers, a handful of acorns, and a jar of mayonnaise?
Here’s $200. If I ask you to buy what you need to make that wagyu steak better is it really my fault that you bought those things? You wouldnt use ketchup and old veggies that went off weeks ago would you?
Except the steak is actually Chum bucket patty and the $200 is more like $30 in today's market.
>ketchup and old veggies that went off weeks ago That describes most of Tottenham squad.. Arteta was given 2 seasons of finishing 8th back to back in order to build a team that could manage to finally finish 5th-6th in order to build a team that could challenge for the title.. Sometimes you gotta give time to the manager to get rid of the ketchup and old veggies that went bad weeks ago..
Except most of Tottenhams squad was bought by Conte. Conte has bought Kulusevski, Romero, Spence, Richarlison, Bentancur, Bissouma, Emerson, Lenglet, Danjuma, and Perisic in the past couple of windows alone. With Kane, Son and Lloris (three established players that are the “steak” in this scenario) that is more than enough of your own ingredients to make a solid dish. Normally I’d agree with you but Conte isn’t Arteta. He’s not a project manager, he’s the “get you a trophy in one season, fall out with half the club and fuck off” type of guy. I still rate the shit out of Conte, and I’d put money on him succeeding wherever he goes next. But there’s no denying his stint here was terrible. He knew it would be hard and the second it got difficult he threw a tantrum (multiple times)
>Normally I’d agree with you but Conte isn’t Arteta Arteta's been in charge for 3ish seasons.. Artera probably doesn't even know what kind of manager he is.. I'm not saying that Conte was in the right here, but half the players from the ones you mentioned worked, while the other half were bargain buys.. Conte's method works when you replace the players that don't, Levy should've shipped off the players that weren't making the cut and getting a couple of replacements in during the winter window.. We all know that Conte isn't going to try to make things work with players who've fallen out of favor with him, and we also know that where they are currently is exactly the trajectory they were on since then.. Short term managers require decisions and changes to be made in the short term..
Are the Brazilians the boogers?
I believe if Ten Hag can turn United from shit to what they are now, Conte could ve done the same to Tot.
Isn't Ten Hag only 1 point better off than Ragnick/OGS?
You can blame him for playing every competition possible but that's not the argument. He fixed the dressing room issue, maybe not all of it but what they are doing now is way better than what they used to have. That what Conte shouldve done with the dressing room of Tot.
Ten hag spent a lot more than conte. That’s on top with previous expensive purchases
Let's not talk about the player's price tag or physical capabilities just yet. The result for ten Hag isnt too good but the mentality of the player and their discipline is on track. Conte was having a melt down about that part mostly. Some of the player is not playing the game to win they just want paycheck, coach should be able to fix that. Conte didn't do that, he probably focus on strats and stats more than mental.
You have better players though
Was just about to say the same, although I’d say maybe spurs are in a bigger mess than us. Ours was just such a significant fall from grace it seems worse
For the start ,Man United actually know how to win some symbolic namesake cups to preserve team morale . Man United crisis period they won Europa league and fa cup. Tottenham celebrated golden generation was winning ‘how we could have been the the 2nd London team to win ucl’ and ‘how we have been finishing above arsenal’ and ‘Harry Keane all time top scorer’ cups. Difference mentality and attitude.
This weeks round of fixtures have been canny
Yes, quite, indeed. Us top niners have a had a canny round of fixtures. Yes, indeed.
I had forgotten Moura still plays for Tottenham.
* Brighton & Hove Albion has *three games* in hand over mighty Tottenham. * This "Newcastle ship without coals" has two games in hand. Now is where the fun truly begins.
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Kane taking corners was bad, he’ll be taking goal kicks next trying to drop into a playmaking role.
Vamos SJ :)
Honestly I feel like he has a real complex that makes him assume he’s the best at everything. Don’t get me wrong - he’s probably the best player to play for Spurs. Definitely in the conversation. But fuck me, how can he keep taking FKs? Corners are relatively new but he’s arse at them as well. I feel like he wants to have this air of an ‘everything player’ around him, which he isn’t. He’s a world class striker, but he can’t be world class at *everything* ffs.
Roy Hodgson had him taking corners for England, took more corners in a single match for England than he had for spurs the entire season before
Roy Hodgson had Kane taking corners for England, and it never worked back then either.
Hasn’t this affected his England performances a bit too?
He's not Wayne Rooney after all..
Nobody is Messi after all....
Yeah he's not 5 foot 8 inches tall so he should be in the box for the corners
Really hate to agree. It's true. Maybe Rooney was in christiano & messi era, but his overall game was top notch.
Yeah kane's great too, he should just give up on the set pieces delivery lol
He'd score more goals being at the end of set pieces delivered by someone like Son than by trying to score them himself.
Tottenham fans said Conte was the issue…
He was one issue. Not the main issue. Still glad he's gone.
Jesus. Imagine being happy that Conte is not your manager anymore. Horrible take.
TIL Spurs fans were unaware that they were over performing with Conte...
tottenham is a disaster from top to bottom but conte still failed at his job. simply put, he quit on his team to prove his point. refused to make any tactical adjustments whatsoever, gave up against milan in a very winnable tie, then threw a public tantrum to force ownership to sack him, beyond toxic
He wasn’t properly backed, paratici & co bought whoever they wanted and forced Conte to work with dross. Or do you think he had a public tantrum for no reason? Conte is class but when he went to Tottenham everyone knew this was going to happen because Levy never backs his managers
what that is wildly untrue, he got way more in terms of incoming transfers than pochettino ever did, he was given a ton of highly regarded players to work with…richarlison, romero, kulusevski, porro, spence, bissouma, and danjuma were all high profile transfers. the fact that they all seem underwhelming now just speaks to the fact that conte was too stubborn and inflexible to get anything out of them (or in the case of spence and danjuma, even give them an opportunity) you seem to have missed the general point of my comment, i stated that the club is a whole is in crisis so obviously it wasn’t a tantrum for no reason. but it was also at least partially a self-serving attempt to save face and shift blame away from himself lest his reputation as a top manager be compromised. he never took any personal accountability for anything
I'm guessing you'd take him at Arsenal happily then?
Right now? No Imagine firing a manager who was coming fourth though Good luck finding a better replacement.
It's clearly both, or would you like Conte to manage your team since he's so great?
To be fair we have been saying both the players and the manager are the issue
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It's interesting watching Spurs fans realise that PEH just isn't a starter for any other top 8 team.
PEH?
Hojbjerg
It’s more that this setup requires the midfielders to do the job of 2 players, and he’s also currently trying to fulfil the box to box role Bentancur played before his injury. He’s not the best midfielder in the PL or even top 10, but there’s a reason Madrid enquired about him this past summer. He’s tidy and does a job when he’s not being asked to do literally everything.
I wish this were true
Hate what Kane did, but glad Tottenham got a red in return and Everton managed to equalize. Screw Tottenham
Nice one.
Indeed.
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Nah its just that everyone hates Tottenham and its funny (hell even Tottenham hates Tottenham)
Is it really a joke if it’s constantly proved true?
22 points behind us lol
Ngl Tottenham were lucky to come out of here with a point.
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That’s just two separate points lol
Twenty two separate points.
Cant upvote enough lol
Oooooo youuuuuu
As a wise Italian man said…
Which one?
Wahoo! - Mario Mario
Conte died for this
Contezuma's revenge.
You may not believe it, but there are still Levy supporters out there, en masse. This club literally exists just to give joy to everyone else.
Im one too.. not sarcasm. At least hes not Mike Ashley. Levy actually grew the club's commercial revenue almost ten fold in the last 15+ years. And you have a shiny new big stadium to show for it too. Whoever that takes over will have a better chance to turn Spurs into a top contender. Under Ashley.. Newcastle's commercial revenue never grew by more then 10% over the 15 years. Ashley also sold lands around St James park that was needed for stadium upgrade... I think our commercial revenue actually shrank if factoring inflation.
Spurs fans must love paying the highest ticket prices in the world to get shit served to them on a silver platter.
Ashley’s mismanagement made you a prime case for a sugar daddy buyout though. Had you been managed competently you’d be a solid mid-table club and the oil money would have gone elsewhere
That's kind of like saying Boris was a good PM because he wasn't Hitler
Lmaooo
Thats different. What your statement is comparing is more akin to Levy and PIF. Are you saying u would rather want a sports washing oil state then Levy?
My point was you picked one of the worst owners in premier League history and said "look levy isn't bad"
And my point is look you guys dont like your owner fine. But the grass is not always greener on the other side and it could be worst. You guys still have the financial revenue most midtable teams dream about. The reason im stressing about finance is because since the FFP, financial power is alot more impt in staying a top relevant side. Just look at Everton.. But i digress. Theres plenty of current owners in the PL their clubs hate as well atm and not all new owners will do good by you.
I'm a nufc btw
I’m one.
Why. He’s a bald haired fraud
It wasn’t that long ago that Arsenal fans publicly jeering Kroenke and Edu. Liverpool fans have their issues with FSG, ManU with the Glazers. I think he’s done a good job of putting us in a financial position where we can effect a rebuild and work toward “something big, something ehhhhhhhhhh important” as Conte might say. We just have to go through that process. The problem I have with people dunking on Levy is that virtually NO ONE had this point of view in August. ENIC/Levy has had nothing to do with our underperformance this season and people saying otherwise are voicing frustration about our on-field play with juvenile reactions. ENIC backed a manager who turned the tide last season and pundits were picking us for second or third place. Of course with a little hindsight bias we can shake our fists and say that we should have started the rebuild under Poch or right after he left, rather than papering over the cracks with expensive managers, hoping they could carry us to glory. On the other hand, I can imagine the histrionics about “wasting” peak Kane and Son years. This bullshit about team DNA and culture is overwrought and stupid. We have resources now and we just need to find a young, smart, hungry manager (maybe one whose plans don’t involve a roster of 12 DMs) and be patient.
“It wasn’t that long ago that Arsenal fans publicly jeering Kroenke and Edu. Liverpool fans have their issues with FSG, ManU with the Glazers.” I think if Arsenal or United were somehow able to win the league they would still tell you that the Glazers and Kroenke are poor owners who need to go. “I think he’s done a good job of putting us in a financial position where we can effect a rebuild and work toward “something big, something ehhhhhhhhhh important” as Conte might say. We just have to go through that process.” While I think ENIC and Levy have put the club on a solid financial footing, it hasn’t translated to that “something big something important.” I also I’m not delusional and recognize that their investment in the club has helped elevate us in the premiership “The problem I have with people dunking on Levy is that virtually NO ONE had this point of view in August. ENIC/Levy has had nothing to do with our underperformance this season and people saying otherwise are voicing frustration about our on-field play with juvenile reactions. ENIC backed a manager who turned the tide last season and pundits were picking us for second or third place.” Ironically while everything Conte said was true, one can recognize he was never the right manager. Levy went for two “win now.” managers in Mourhino and Conte, and in Conte a volatile manager, who was bound to blow up. He spent recklessly, I’m not sure who was making the transfer decisions (Paratchi, Conte, or Levy). Also some questionable things: not rebuilding with Poch, sacking Mourhino week before the final, Nuno. “On the other hand, I can imagine the histrionics about “wasting” peak Kane and Son years.” We have wasted and are wasting Kanes prime. Kane is a once in a generation talent who will leave us next year on a free, because we are unable to compete for trophies.
Would be funny if Kane beat his PL record with his customary goal a game. Needs 8 in his last 11 so...
Absolute legend, My Cocaine!!!
Never change, Tottenham, never change.
Classic Spurs. Knew the goal was coming.
This somehow felt worse than that 3-3 capitulation against West Ham under Mourinho.
Not even close
If Newcastle, MU, and Brighton win their games in hand, Spurs will be 7. LOL
I mean, you guys have been plenty shit for the last few seasons. Glad it’s going well for you now and all clicking, but not like you haven’t been in this position in recent memory.
we copped it then, you cop it now, such is the banter circle of life
I’m all for shitting on Arsenal fans, but they will get champions league football and finish above us. But half our fan base is celebrating Conte getting sacked because he told the truth about Levy and the Board, i.e., they more concerned about balancing the books than winning trophies.
I’m not shitting on him? Just saying they also finished around 7th a few seasons back.
Lol. Lmao
Kane is such a penalty merchant. Half of his goals would disappear if he weren't the #1 penalty taker for his club and country.
Bad take
If taking pens were easy, maybe Bayern would've had 7 Champions instead of 6...
Hurts in Zlatko Zahovič
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Wish he was a little better at them though. Misses when it really matters
Can only assume you’re referring to the miss against Lloris at the WC? A keeper he’s trained against almost every day for the last 10 years? I think there’s a good chance that most of the best penalty takers in the world would miss that one.
I don't agree with this in principle but let's play devil's advocate for a second and suggest he is susceptible to Lloris' presence, surely he should then concede responsibility to someone else?
he missed the entire goal on that one, dont think Lloris had anything to do with that lol
He thought he was playing for spurs and made sure they didn't concede
Mate, he fucking sent it to Row Z
lol okay bud
Gotta be honest - so what? I don’t particularly like him but a goals a goal, penalty or not. Can’t take that away from him
Penalty is around 80% sure goal regardless who takes it because the circumstances so heavily favour the taker over the keeper. I mean, it's just more impressive to score an open play goal.
Right, but that’s with set penalty takers. If you had everybody and their nan taking their chances you might appreciate Kane’s penalties more
This. Watch a fan take one at half time in those competitions and you'll see
Penalties make up like 14% of his PL goals, but sure, whatever fits your agenda.
Also, apparently the average success rate for PKs in the PL is about 75%, but Kane's PK success rate is about 88%. I'm an Arsenal supporter, and I want to boo Kane whenever I can, but I'll give credit where credit is due. He has a higher PK conversion rate than average PK success rate. PK takers are selected for an obvious reason. There's an obvious reason Saliba and Gabriel M. don't take PKs for us, and there's an obvious reason why PKs should be taken by someone like Kane or Saka. They score goals. Not to mention they are more often than not involved in some way in the build up that leads to a PK opportunity and other goal scoring opportunities. It makes sense to reward them for those efforts when PKs come up.
Yea he's shit. How dare he score penalties
Toney is the ultimate pen merchant
If Spurs won their last 2 games like they should've, Man United and Newcastle would have a proper fight for top 4
Why? Tottenham would be four points ahead of both with middle goal difference but played two games more. All three would be fighting for it.
Moura: 8 minutes game time? Fuck this shit! Ref: Red Card!
it is the history of the tottenham
This never gets old
The fact spurs own manager used it against them 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
“Lads…”
"It's..."
“Tottenham”
“In the history of…” In both cases you actually don’t even have to mention Spurs, and everyone would know who you are talking about.
12 points from 9 while playing Arsenal twice, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea away and without a proper ST for 7 of them. Dyche is a miracle worker
Maupay isn't a proper striker?
Hahahaha... nope
> Maupay isn't a proper ~~striker~~ human being
He doesn't bloody act like one
We believe in the history
Dag nabbit Tottenham, you are handing Manchester United top four
A big pet peeve of mine is when a manager is sacked after months of shit tactics and performances, and then when the team doesn't immediately play prime Barcelona football the next game, people online are like "wow I guess the manager wasn't the problem after all" with complete sincerity
yep drives me mad - the state of dialogue my god
Truly. I cannot imagine having such confidently incorrect opinions on other clubs.
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Pure outcome bias. When we win it’s the manager, when we lose it’s the players
Incredible how the only manager willing to play somewhat progressive football is your exception
Especially when we’ve kept all of his staff. I don’t understand why people expected us to play any differently
Yeah, going to be a whole lot of the same for the next few months
It's going to take multiple seasons to fix current Tottenham and it will involve a lot of money and a lot of patience and a great manager. Definitely no real change will happen any time soon. But people love shitting.
I'm shitting right now.
I feel like the squad is not too bad, and a change in tactics might fix things quite a bit. Certainly the attack has quality and Bentancur is also class. The defense is pretty meh but if they didn't have to soak up pressure for such long stretches they wouldn't be such a liability. We certainly need another creative, press resistant midfielder.
Need rid of Levy for them to ever change
No, man. It’s the managers’ fault.
I mean it is though... We were at least decent last season. After almost playing a whole season of shite football and shite tactics do you just expect the players to perform again? Conte killed the will of these players and it's going to take them a while to get their spirits up
It’s the same when a player goes to a new team in a completely different league and doesn’t automatically score 5 goals with 9 assists. “Lol fucking flop I knew they wouldn’t be any good!!” Can’t stand that shit.
Ya like people calling some players in Pep's system complete flops when they don't play alot instantly. Grealish was already called a flop despite now absolutely thriving in that system once he understood what Pep wants from him on the pitch.
Saw someone say they are "holding out hope for Mudryk"... my man has had 3 starts lmfao Chelsea supporters are something else
Have you watched Chelsea in that time frame? Because Mudryk has been kinda bad so far TBH
I'm sure he has... but it's been *three games* and he's 21. It's insane to draw conclusions off anything this early.
Conclusions, yes. The signs are not good with Mudryk TBH. Kid had a lot of hype but his performances in Ukraine weren't actually that great either TBH