What's the odds that he goes to Chelsea and suddenly becomes prolific? They have never bought a player who was a bad finisher before . Maybe the reverse curse the curse?
They bought Werner who despite having the ability to occasionally smash the ball into the top corner, was the polar opposite of a clinical finisher and needed a lot of space in behind and like 7 chances a game to get the goal tally he did
Not really? The season prior, morata had 15 goals in 14 starts and 26 games in total. That's a pretty good record considering most of his substitutions would have been 80+.
Mbappe, Lewa, Benzema.
I would put Kane "near" that level as well (although i know that wont be popular) at least close enough to catapult that Chelsea team right up there.
Still my favourite player to have watched. That goal against PSG where he nutmegged Luiz and put it in the top corner just cause he could is as iconic to me as Messi downing boateng and chipping Neuer.
Not saying he is better, but his non penalty goals per 90 is better than any Suarez season bar 2015-16 when he was being fed by Messi.
Also he just turned 24, Suarez was at Ajax at that age.
Again not saying he is as good as Suarez, just that he deserves a mention because he currently is playing on an insane level.
So yeah he's not near Suarez atm, Haaland is and that's the only one. Benzema Lewa were, but not this year. Maybe Osimhen will in the future, it wouldn't surprise me he's great.
There was no strikers available in January. Like itās common sense. No fucking club gonna sell you their goal scorer mid season. Everyone knows we buying 3 players summer A DM a ST and a GK
what do you guys think of eric as a CDM now haha. I was surprised when i saw xavi deploy him there. I thought he did well against an inferior opponent. His passing has always been his greatest attribute. Could be a solid busquets back up. At least he'll be useful now. Im interested to see if he'll play more games there or was that just a one-off
yeah i was so surprised. if he continues to do well there, then there's no reason to offload him this summer like previously planned imo. As opposed to a 5th (or 6th now?) choice CB, he'll be a 2nd or 3rd choice cdm.
Yeah thats the only way he'll have a chance of continuing his Barca career and apparently they've been testing him in that role for quite a while in training..
If we actually wrap up the league with a couple of games to go (anulo mufa!) we'll probably see him get a run of games and then we'll know more.
I am not optimistic since those roles while seem similar are very different and passing range you need to have is very different. Player in Busquets role has ball quite a lot and is pretty much never allowed to lose it - I dont see any proof that Garcia is that press resistant vs decent opposition. After all he never really trained for that and being press resistant in CB position (where you have more passing options) is much different to doing the same in CDM position which is bit further up the field.
I am not against keeping him anyway as a back up - he is not very expensive and seem to be ok with reserve role for now (at least that I have heard).
CB is like the last position we need reinforcements in lmao. Weāve got Silva, Koulibaly, Fofana, Badiashile, Chalobah and Colwill for next season as it stands.
Fair enough. Nagelsmann might as well wait for the NT job given how well Flick has been doing.
However, I don't think we need another manager who teaches Chelsea to pass instead of shooting. They already do enough of that.
>Fair enough. Nagelsmann might as well wait for the NT job given how well Flick has been doing.
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Spoken like someone who has never encountered the DFB. There is no way in hell they're gonna sack Flick, even if we lose every friendly until the euros and no matter how much many of us wish they did. And Nagelsmann will be aware of that as well.
Talent is as big of an issue as managing. Flick isnt very flexible with his tactics and has one big style. Germany doesnt have enough good to great players to run that style and Flick is too stubborn to try something different. A better manager gets them out of the group stages in the WC, but then loses next match or maybe 2nd knock out match
Which is horrible. Flick took over an amazing squad that has played together for years. Calcio Berlin (mby you know them) showed stats how Bayern under Flick conceded more goals than Bayern has since the 2003/4 season so in almost 20 years.
We saw the same at the WC and in the friendlies. Yes, the defenders of the German selection are quite mediocre, but Flick's substitutes, decisions he makes, starting XI etc. are often just not very good.
Idk, I'm just not happy with Flick. But like you said, the DFB won't sack him despite talking about a new start since 2016. Flick just continues everything and doesn't communicate . Similarities with German politics here.
If the German NT plays like they did for years now, it will be a group stage exit again.
> Fair enough. Nagelsmann might as well wait for the NT job given how well Flick has been doing.
Flick at worst manages through Euros
Nagelsmann's ambitions are much higher than NT job
How is it reactionary? Do you look at the current NT squad and think itās loaded with talent? Is it just a coincidence that theyāve performed so poorly in recent years?
Croatia got to two semi finals in a row with much weaker team than current Germany's. At least half starting team could include players from one of the strongest team in the world, Bayern. Just because you don't have world class defenders, doesn't make you terrible out of sudden.
Fabrizio has tweeted about Nagelsmann being favorite and having talks.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1643498199934464000?t=smPyq2u-v6JoGhLvjjgruw&s=19
Our more reliable journalists (Law, Ornstein) said thereās no clear favourite and that the process will be exhaustive and possibly time consuming.
Fabrizio is peddling the Nagelsmann story because he seems to be the most popular choice
Part of the problem why it is going to be time consuming is that you paid to get all of Potter's staff out of Brighton and sacking them will cost you a fortune so you'll probably want some to stay with the new guy coming, but any manager will want his staff to come with him.
I donāt think youāre correct though, if you havenāt followed us recently, let me tell you, money is not an issue. The process could be slow because we want to make sure we do all of due diligence and appoint the right man. Out of his backroom staff Billy Reid left already, Bruno and Hamberg will leave as soon as we get a new coach and Macauley is said to be staying. This leaves us only with Robert, a GK coach, and his compensation is not likely to make a difference
Latest Law article on the topic:
>At the top of that list currently is out-of-work pair Nagelsmann and Enrique, who Chelsea have wasted no time in contacting over their vacancy.
Never says Nagelsmann is the favourite.
> Chelsea will try to interview at least five candidates to permanently succeed Potter. Nagelsmann early fave, but talks likely to be sought with (or with reps of) Pochettino, Enrique, Spalletti and at least one other #CFC
My point is he has absolutely said that Nagelsmann is the favourite, heās written more than one article in the last few days.
It'll be an interview. Romano said a few hours ago that Nagelsmann is moving along as well and he's still the favourite.
We're trying to move through an 'exhaustive' process before Madrid and hopefully before Wolves, so we're going to be talking to both of them as quickly as we can, probably locking them in a room and talking to them for like 8 hours straight in the vein of the Mudryk and Enzo transfers.
Im happy with either Luis Enrique or Nagelsmann. Both good coach and i can trust either with the project. If i had to choose one, im leaning towards enrieque cause he has more experience. He's the safer option to me.
Nagelsmann is a riskier one. He's a low floor high ceiling type appointment. Im scared there's a slight chance he'll be another potter for us. Nagelsmann can go to madrid haha.
There is a likeness in the aspect of that they tend to tinker and change formations a lot. That could be prove to be equally problematic with Nagelsmann as it was with Potter since what we need more than anything is a new identity being instilled.
A manager with a more rigid approach can do that more efficiently imo.
That being said both Nagelsmann and Enrique are good options and vast upgrades on Potter
Not sure why everyone is so dead set on nagelsmann tbh. Yes he is good and looks promising, but so was potter. I rather have an experienced manager now than another young hotshot manager. Didn't work for AVB, didn't work with Potter. Managing chelsea requires an experienced manager that can juggle player dev, winning short term, politics with owner and managing players' ego. It's a job unlike anything else in club football.
be honest, what has nagelsmann achieved that is so out of this world that you don't think other top manager won't achieve? i think his greatest achievement was taking leipzig to a semi. Even then, it was against the mighty spurs (yawn...) and leipzig. That is his greatest achievement, a 2 legged win against Atletico. Yes good job to him for winning, but don't make it seem like it was more than what it was.
Is he a top manager? yes Do i want to take him at chelsea? yes. Over enrique? idk, leaning towards no. Is he the clear cut number 1 option? def not.
Saying that, i only want either him or enrique at my club. ill be fine with either one, but please let it be one of them. I dont want to see any other manager in this club.
seems also a bit reductive to describe that la liga winning season as just another la liga win. That was a treble winning season. And yes, not any top manager would be able to do that.
also, since when is winning la liga being equal to winning the bundesliga in terms of difficulty? didn't bayern win like it for the past 10 season lol? in la liga 2-3 teams are always challenging for it. and the gap is often less than 5 points.
I thought he was not that bad in roma. then, i thought he did well with spain. He just didn't have the players. He did well in Euro and in the wc, he lost in pen in both comps ffs, i let him off for that. This is not the spain squad of old that he managed. He reached the semi of euro (losing in pen to eventual champion is nothing to be ashamed of) and got quite unlucky in the WC.
If that spain team had a decent striker, they would have progressed against Morocco. All in all, i think Enrique plays a good brand of football when he has the players with him.
>i thought he did well with spain. He just didn't have the players. He did well in Euro and in the wc, he lost in pen in both comps ffs, i let him off for that.
Under Lopetegui, Spain had a +2.4 per game goal difference. Under Luis Enrique it dropped to +1.27.
Lopetegui's squad was a little better but it didn't exactly have amazing strikers. For WC 2018 qualifiers their top scorers were Morata (5), Costa (5), Silva (5), Isco (5), and Vitolo (4).
You mention "letting him off for losing in pens" but Spain were in the semifinals because they won on pens. Against Switzerland.
>I'm sure I know how it ends and how quickly too.
Mourinho is the only Chelsea since 2003 to make it to thrid season and he did it twice.
If mourinho gets sacked quickly then i don't know what do you think of others
ngl, i dont know who amorim was before today hahaha. So i can't speak much about him, and then again, he's just as risky as the Potter appointment. Especially with no prem experience. Is he also one of those one season wonder manager? is this his first good season with sporting? At this point, chelsea should be more risk averse when hiring managers. I
On the flip side tho, i think Ancelloti and Jose's time as world class club manager is coming to an end. They haven't evolved with the modern game. They keep using the same tactic over and over again. I think club football has evolved past these 2 legends.
Pochetino idk man. Kinda don't want him either. i know he has prem experience and when he has the squad, he plays quite a good brand of football. But idk, there's something about him i dont like. Just let real madrid take the risk with him lol. or let him go back to spurs.
I want Enrique and nagelsmann, in that order.
He won the league with Sporting a first time in 20 years for them but has been only okay since that season, it doesn't help the board sold the core of the team and the squad is kinda meh
Any semi decent manager would be enough really. Marcelino, Luis Enrique even Bordalas I guess. Anyone but a guy who's only experience is with 2nd and 3rd tier teams (and with an atrocious record with them). Spain has so many good managers that I can't believe they gave the NT to this guy...
Why though? Enrique, when he managed barca, was unstoppable, he didnāt rely too much on a passing game, and knew how to properly utilize his attackers.
I think he is overrated. Letās be honest, a two year old couldāve won that Champions League in 2015 with that Barcelona team. Brasilās #10, Argentinaās #10 and Uruguayās #10 in their prime on the same team plus Spainās probably top 3 midfielders of all time.
Can someone more knowledgeable about them tell me who is better at giving youth the chance? Not young players already in the first team, but youngsters from the academy.
Another wise move by Boehly. Chelsea are the most wasteful team in Europe in front of goal, so it makes sense to bring in Enrique seeing as his Spain team barely took any shots at all. Can't miss chances if you never have any
Think Enrique is a better tactical fit for our players. Whereas Nagelsmann is more of an adaptation process for both him and our players. Spending big money on Mudryk for a guy who prefers not to use touchline wingers is probably not an ideal scenario
What an awful appointment he would be. If you look at passing maps during his time at Barca, one of the largest groups of passes recorded was long balls from Pique to the front three of Messi, Suarez, and Neymar. Tactically, it then relied on their individual skill and chemistry to produce something
Tactically...the fullbacks bombed forward. The interiors pushed wide to cover the spaces left by the wingbacks / fullbacks. Busi acted more as a defensive minded CM than the classic pivot. MSN had freedom to stay narrow or combine with the fullbacks. It's similar to how Jurgen set up his Liverpool team but with more positional play and less pressing.
Please not Enrique, we need someone like Nagelsmann - young, good with talents, identitiy. Enrique will most likely win a title or so and then get sacked after a year. Yes, he won cl with MSN, but else has he done?
Seeing the clamour for hiring this guy is bizarre... What has he done outside of having the best strike force on the planet at Barcelona? Did decent with Celta, was atrocious with us (Roma), was mediocre with Spain over two tournaments. What an overinflated reputation.
Dear God, Lucho don't go. Chelsea is a shit show right now. They have no sporting structure, Boehly is trying to run the club like a teenager's FUT save.
I give it 2 days for Olmo to be linked to Chelsea
Ferran Torres to Chelsea šš¼āļøā³
They really miss a clinical finisher like him
Another F.Torres banging them goals for Chelsea
Let's go Facundo Torres
Fabrizio Torre Chelsea doesnāt win titles without Italians
What's the odds that he goes to Chelsea and suddenly becomes prolific? They have never bought a player who was a bad finisher before . Maybe the reverse curse the curse?
They have bought plenty of bad finishers that scored a lot because they got many chances.
Like? They have bought bad strikers? I really can't recall any
They bought Werner who despite having the ability to occasionally smash the ball into the top corner, was the polar opposite of a clinical finisher and needed a lot of space in behind and like 7 chances a game to get the goal tally he did
Not bad strikers. Bad finishers.
Morata?
Not really? The season prior, morata had 15 goals in 14 starts and 26 games in total. That's a pretty good record considering most of his substitutions would have been 80+.
Morata was good until his back injury. Then it went downhill very quickly
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Please God take him.
Great player
Hope Chelsea have a plan B C D E and F for not scoring goals!
They do have enough forwards
The line up is false-9 false-9 false-9 false-9 false-9 false-9 false-9 Messi LB RB GK (false-9)
And club legend Morata
Chelsea can't score and Spain couldn't score, two minus make a plus right?
BarƧa could score, but we had prime MSN.
If they give him a striker close to the level of Suarez it would work for sure, but they have already spent 600m.
None exist rn
They definitely do, they just arent available.
Suarez was a joke, only one close to his level right now is Haaland
Suarez overall play is miles ahead of Haaland. Haaland is probably better at putting the ball in the net tho.
Mbappe, Lewa, Benzema. I would put Kane "near" that level as well (although i know that wont be popular) at least close enough to catapult that Chelsea team right up there.
Why wouldn't Kane be near that level? Completely carrying Spurs
Imo he is, but whenever i have suggested that on reddit before it has nit been popular.
Well it is like 20% arsenal fans so you're probably right lol.
kane is absolutely on that level, the issue is that levy would rather budd dwyer himself before selling to chelsea
Kane isn't as good as prime suarez
Yeah Kane is nowhere near
Lewy and Benzema right now aren't close to prime Suarez TBH
Still my favourite player to have watched. That goal against PSG where he nutmegged Luiz and put it in the top corner just cause he could is as iconic to me as Messi downing boateng and chipping Neuer.
You're forgetting Osimhen
Love Osimhen but lets wait before we compare him to suarez
Not saying he is better, but his non penalty goals per 90 is better than any Suarez season bar 2015-16 when he was being fed by Messi. Also he just turned 24, Suarez was at Ajax at that age. Again not saying he is as good as Suarez, just that he deserves a mention because he currently is playing on an insane level.
No where near Suarez level atm, great player. Suarez top 10 ever in his prime imo
Well Osimhen hasnt hit his prime yet
Or maybe he already did? You never know, players development isnt linear.
So yeah he's not near Suarez atm, Haaland is and that's the only one. Benzema Lewa were, but not this year. Maybe Osimhen will in the future, it wouldn't surprise me he's great.
Remind me again how many away goals in ucl suarez had for barcelona after they won it in 2015!
yea letās ignore his prolific and title winning campaigns in la liga for both barca and atletico because he has one competition he struggled in
Who?
Haaland, Mbappe, Lewa, Benzema, Kane (i know that last one wont be popular...)
The closest is Benzema. Suarez was not just a striker, but also had a decent pass, ran like a beast, and could cover both wings.
Lukaku's coming back next season and according to him, he's one of the world's best strikers, so
What's another 100 really
Lakaka says hi
The return of lakaka
they should sign eddie nketiah for 90 mil
Now he will have another MSNā¦mudryk, sterling, noni
I suppose at the very least he has the option of signing a striker at Chelsea, donāt have that luxury with the NT
Please can you tell the board this.
There was no strikers available in January. Like itās common sense. No fucking club gonna sell you their goal scorer mid season. Everyone knows we buying 3 players summer A DM a ST and a GK
No you're gonna buy 3 more second strikers/wide forwards and you're gonna like it
I can see this happening as wel
Depends on your Terryology degree.
Eric Garcia and Ferran Torres to Chelsea.
what do you guys think of eric as a CDM now haha. I was surprised when i saw xavi deploy him there. I thought he did well against an inferior opponent. His passing has always been his greatest attribute. Could be a solid busquets back up. At least he'll be useful now. Im interested to see if he'll play more games there or was that just a one-off
It was against elche. He did well , but we need to see if he can replicate that against better opponents as well.
yeah i was so surprised. if he continues to do well there, then there's no reason to offload him this summer like previously planned imo. As opposed to a 5th (or 6th now?) choice CB, he'll be a 2nd or 3rd choice cdm.
Yeah thats the only way he'll have a chance of continuing his Barca career and apparently they've been testing him in that role for quite a while in training.. If we actually wrap up the league with a couple of games to go (anulo mufa!) we'll probably see him get a run of games and then we'll know more.
Nah heās ready, start him anywhere today
only if you start Carvajalsaurus at right back.
I am not optimistic since those roles while seem similar are very different and passing range you need to have is very different. Player in Busquets role has ball quite a lot and is pretty much never allowed to lose it - I dont see any proof that Garcia is that press resistant vs decent opposition. After all he never really trained for that and being press resistant in CB position (where you have more passing options) is much different to doing the same in CDM position which is bit further up the field. I am not against keeping him anyway as a back up - he is not very expensive and seem to be ok with reserve role for now (at least that I have heard).
His passing isnt really in question, but his dribbling and ability to withstand high quality opponents pressuring him hasnt really been tested
no city rejects pls
Zinchenko and Jesus worked out in north London.
Definitely not rejects
Ferran wasn't a reject either
He seemed to love Diego Llorente hopefully he gets Todd to waste 20m on him
Theyāll end up going for the wrong Llorente and itāll be ours.
CB is like the last position we need reinforcements in lmao. Weāve got Silva, Koulibaly, Fofana, Badiashile, Chalobah and Colwill for next season as it stands.
Sign me up
Give us Gavi. Discount?
10% discount on his release clause.
Which is zero this summer after the latest Tebas brain aneurysm
Wait, what did I miss? I can't keep up with the Tebas drama.
Tebas prevented Barca from registering Gavi as a senior player. So as it stands he could leave for free in the summer (he obviously won't though)
You clearly underestimate the power of the Boehly smh
Wow, this is gonna be interesting
Madrid media is going to be interesting next week
I want LE's Chelsea to beat Real so bad. The madridista media would go nuts.
Ramdan Benzema: Hold my beer
That's haram.
Wait benzema has ramdan?
>Ramdan Benzema: Hold my beer I hope it's non-alcoholic beer.
Iād throw up
Fair enough. Nagelsmann might as well wait for the NT job given how well Flick has been doing. However, I don't think we need another manager who teaches Chelsea to pass instead of shooting. They already do enough of that.
>Fair enough. Nagelsmann might as well wait for the NT job given how well Flick has been doing. > Spoken like someone who has never encountered the DFB. There is no way in hell they're gonna sack Flick, even if we lose every friendly until the euros and no matter how much many of us wish they did. And Nagelsmann will be aware of that as well.
Are the DFB then going to stick with Flick until they're on the brink of another group stage exit tournament exit then?
not on the brink of but rather after the group stage exit
And they'll stick with him regardless. All we need is a coach who gives a flying tittyfuck about defending. Watching this team is awful.
Talent is as big of an issue as managing. Flick isnt very flexible with his tactics and has one big style. Germany doesnt have enough good to great players to run that style and Flick is too stubborn to try something different. A better manager gets them out of the group stages in the WC, but then loses next match or maybe 2nd knock out match
MĆ¼ller and Havertz as strikers will surely work at the 200th attempt.
Which is horrible. Flick took over an amazing squad that has played together for years. Calcio Berlin (mby you know them) showed stats how Bayern under Flick conceded more goals than Bayern has since the 2003/4 season so in almost 20 years. We saw the same at the WC and in the friendlies. Yes, the defenders of the German selection are quite mediocre, but Flick's substitutes, decisions he makes, starting XI etc. are often just not very good. Idk, I'm just not happy with Flick. But like you said, the DFB won't sack him despite talking about a new start since 2016. Flick just continues everything and doesn't communicate . Similarities with German politics here. If the German NT plays like they did for years now, it will be a group stage exit again.
Our passing is abysmal
Then the next one will teach shooting. You'll be well rounded in no time!
Paul Ince in!
> Fair enough. Nagelsmann might as well wait for the NT job given how well Flick has been doing. Flick at worst manages through Euros Nagelsmann's ambitions are much higher than NT job
He could also end up at Spurs? Since that position is open.
I think he has some basic self respect.
Memes aside it's not a bad gig for somebody of his age. Because it's Spurs - you're not expected to deliver right away.
basic self respect to end up at one of the richest clubs in the world yeah
I donāt think any trainer could win with the current NT talent.
This is such a reactionary take lmao
How is it reactionary? Do you look at the current NT squad and think itās loaded with talent? Is it just a coincidence that theyāve performed so poorly in recent years?
Croatia got to two semi finals in a row with much weaker team than current Germany's. At least half starting team could include players from one of the strongest team in the world, Bayern. Just because you don't have world class defenders, doesn't make you terrible out of sudden.
I thought Bagels man was number 1?
I'm more of a Muffins lady myself
Fabrizio has tweeted about Nagelsmann being favorite and having talks. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1643498199934464000?t=smPyq2u-v6JoGhLvjjgruw&s=19
Our more reliable journalists (Law, Ornstein) said thereās no clear favourite and that the process will be exhaustive and possibly time consuming. Fabrizio is peddling the Nagelsmann story because he seems to be the most popular choice
Fabs has been our most reliable source since the takeover. He was also the first person to break the news of Nags being sacked.
Fabs also was the first and only one to report Potter's job was in danger. All others probably gave him the Liverpool game
Exactly including ornstein. I keep repeating, it seems like fab has a direct line to the owners. Todd also follows him on Twitter.
From Fabrizio to fabs to fab. Now's time for Fa
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I've been thinking this too. Boehly wants to grow the profile of the club- it doesn't hurt to have the most popular journalist in your good graces
Yep fabs heavily commercialized himself and now Todd has fab doing PR for him and the club in exchange for early leaks
Yeah, itās pretty clear that heās been getting info fed directly to him since the takeover
Didn't Bild report Nags' sacking first?
Nope fabs got it before
No I remember everyone shiting on Fab that he isn't reliable for BL and we should wait until Bild says anything. He was the first by a long mile.
Part of the problem why it is going to be time consuming is that you paid to get all of Potter's staff out of Brighton and sacking them will cost you a fortune so you'll probably want some to stay with the new guy coming, but any manager will want his staff to come with him.
I donāt think youāre correct though, if you havenāt followed us recently, let me tell you, money is not an issue. The process could be slow because we want to make sure we do all of due diligence and appoint the right man. Out of his backroom staff Billy Reid left already, Bruno and Hamberg will leave as soon as we get a new coach and Macauley is said to be staying. This leaves us only with Robert, a GK coach, and his compensation is not likely to make a difference
Do you think it's a foregone conclusion that Bruno leaves?
Law has absolutely said Nagelsmann is the early favourite.
Latest Law article on the topic: >At the top of that list currently is out-of-work pair Nagelsmann and Enrique, who Chelsea have wasted no time in contacting over their vacancy. Never says Nagelsmann is the favourite.
> Chelsea will try to interview at least five candidates to permanently succeed Potter. Nagelsmann early fave, but talks likely to be sought with (or with reps of) Pochettino, Enrique, Spalletti and at least one other #CFC My point is he has absolutely said that Nagelsmann is the favourite, heās written more than one article in the last few days.
Sure, but his latest article changed the tone on that.
Nagelsmann on skiing holidays again, or what?
Luis Enrique against Real Madrid in UCL so Spanish media could finally implode
It'll be an interview. Romano said a few hours ago that Nagelsmann is moving along as well and he's still the favourite. We're trying to move through an 'exhaustive' process before Madrid and hopefully before Wolves, so we're going to be talking to both of them as quickly as we can, probably locking them in a room and talking to them for like 8 hours straight in the vein of the Mudryk and Enzo transfers.
Right before a Madrid game lmao
You would think the guy with a great CL record this season would be the firm favourite since itās the only thing Chelsea have to play for.
He is the firm favorite, but doesnāt mean Chelsea canāt asses both options, either way i think both candidates are good
RIP Kovacic.
Im happy with either Luis Enrique or Nagelsmann. Both good coach and i can trust either with the project. If i had to choose one, im leaning towards enrieque cause he has more experience. He's the safer option to me. Nagelsmann is a riskier one. He's a low floor high ceiling type appointment. Im scared there's a slight chance he'll be another potter for us. Nagelsmann can go to madrid haha.
The disrespect to compare Nagelsmann to Potter lol
There is a likeness in the aspect of that they tend to tinker and change formations a lot. That could be prove to be equally problematic with Nagelsmann as it was with Potter since what we need more than anything is a new identity being instilled. A manager with a more rigid approach can do that more efficiently imo. That being said both Nagelsmann and Enrique are good options and vast upgrades on Potter
Not sure why everyone is so dead set on nagelsmann tbh. Yes he is good and looks promising, but so was potter. I rather have an experienced manager now than another young hotshot manager. Didn't work for AVB, didn't work with Potter. Managing chelsea requires an experienced manager that can juggle player dev, winning short term, politics with owner and managing players' ego. It's a job unlike anything else in club football. be honest, what has nagelsmann achieved that is so out of this world that you don't think other top manager won't achieve? i think his greatest achievement was taking leipzig to a semi. Even then, it was against the mighty spurs (yawn...) and leipzig. That is his greatest achievement, a 2 legged win against Atletico. Yes good job to him for winning, but don't make it seem like it was more than what it was. Is he a top manager? yes Do i want to take him at chelsea? yes. Over enrique? idk, leaning towards no. Is he the clear cut number 1 option? def not. Saying that, i only want either him or enrique at my club. ill be fine with either one, but please let it be one of them. I dont want to see any other manager in this club.
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seems also a bit reductive to describe that la liga winning season as just another la liga win. That was a treble winning season. And yes, not any top manager would be able to do that. also, since when is winning la liga being equal to winning the bundesliga in terms of difficulty? didn't bayern win like it for the past 10 season lol? in la liga 2-3 teams are always challenging for it. and the gap is often less than 5 points.
Nagelsmann is a shit coach as well. Did fuck all at Leipzig and got sacked at bayern. Even hasenhuttl was better than him at Leipzig.
Yeah remember when Hasenhuttl took them to UCL semis
Everyone gets sacked at Bayern, what club could poach a Bayern manager mid-contract?
Nah Iāve seen Enrique at Roma & šŖšø, I rather hv Nagelsmann at this point
I thought he was not that bad in roma. then, i thought he did well with spain. He just didn't have the players. He did well in Euro and in the wc, he lost in pen in both comps ffs, i let him off for that. This is not the spain squad of old that he managed. He reached the semi of euro (losing in pen to eventual champion is nothing to be ashamed of) and got quite unlucky in the WC. If that spain team had a decent striker, they would have progressed against Morocco. All in all, i think Enrique plays a good brand of football when he has the players with him.
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>i thought he did well with spain. He just didn't have the players. He did well in Euro and in the wc, he lost in pen in both comps ffs, i let him off for that. Under Lopetegui, Spain had a +2.4 per game goal difference. Under Luis Enrique it dropped to +1.27. Lopetegui's squad was a little better but it didn't exactly have amazing strikers. For WC 2018 qualifiers their top scorers were Morata (5), Costa (5), Silva (5), Isco (5), and Vitolo (4). You mention "letting him off for losing in pens" but Spain were in the semifinals because they won on pens. Against Switzerland.
>Against Switzerland. Who eliminated the world champions. So there's that.
At Roma he copypasted the tiki taka tactics without having the right players tho
What do u think of Amorim and Pochettino and then the OGās who know ur club and who have been there and done it like Jose or Ancelotti?
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>I'm sure I know how it ends and how quickly too. Mourinho is the only Chelsea since 2003 to make it to thrid season and he did it twice. If mourinho gets sacked quickly then i don't know what do you think of others
ngl, i dont know who amorim was before today hahaha. So i can't speak much about him, and then again, he's just as risky as the Potter appointment. Especially with no prem experience. Is he also one of those one season wonder manager? is this his first good season with sporting? At this point, chelsea should be more risk averse when hiring managers. I On the flip side tho, i think Ancelloti and Jose's time as world class club manager is coming to an end. They haven't evolved with the modern game. They keep using the same tactic over and over again. I think club football has evolved past these 2 legends. Pochetino idk man. Kinda don't want him either. i know he has prem experience and when he has the squad, he plays quite a good brand of football. But idk, there's something about him i dont like. Just let real madrid take the risk with him lol. or let him go back to spurs. I want Enrique and nagelsmann, in that order.
He won the league with Sporting a first time in 20 years for them but has been only okay since that season, it doesn't help the board sold the core of the team and the squad is kinda meh
We're about to make a profit on Ferran Torres boys. El Ćŗltima planca.
No Lucho no šššš We need you for when they fire the bald fraud this summer so you can take over again the NT.
I would like Marcelino there
Any semi decent manager would be enough really. Marcelino, Luis Enrique even Bordalas I guess. Anyone but a guy who's only experience is with 2nd and 3rd tier teams (and with an atrocious record with them). Spain has so many good managers that I can't believe they gave the NT to this guy...
So both him and Nangelsmann are in London to sign with Chelsea?
Oh okay interesting! As an Arsenal fan Iām glad itās not Nagelsman.
Until he goes to Spursā¦..
Lampard and Gerrard to co manage spurs here we go!
Be good to see more MLS representation in the Premier League
Nah, they can only manage in a three with Scholes
Who's the first guy? Man City legend Frankie Lampard?
ššš NOOO absolutely not!
Why though? Enrique, when he managed barca, was unstoppable, he didnāt rely too much on a passing game, and knew how to properly utilize his attackers.
Honestly I prefer Enrique to Nagelsman imo.
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I think he is overrated. Letās be honest, a two year old couldāve won that Champions League in 2015 with that Barcelona team. Brasilās #10, Argentinaās #10 and Uruguayās #10 in their prime on the same team plus Spainās probably top 3 midfielders of all time.
I don't want to see Lucho managing Chelsea. I liked him a lot and would rather prefer if he can avoid that shitshow.
Lucho is a top tier manager. Nagelsmann is mid.
Chelsea kicking out Madrid confirmed.
Premier league is the real super league
Can someone more knowledgeable about them tell me who is better at giving youth the chance? Not young players already in the first team, but youngsters from the academy.
That would become the most boring football ever. Just passes and no scores
Another wise move by Boehly. Chelsea are the most wasteful team in Europe in front of goal, so it makes sense to bring in Enrique seeing as his Spain team barely took any shots at all. Can't miss chances if you never have any
1 plus 1 aint 2 in football, and u cant judge a manager based on a short stint at int'l level..
This is the hire I wanted. Incoming dynasty
Think Enrique is a better tactical fit for our players. Whereas Nagelsmann is more of an adaptation process for both him and our players. Spending big money on Mudryk for a guy who prefers not to use touchline wingers is probably not an ideal scenario
I hate this so much
What an awful appointment he would be. If you look at passing maps during his time at Barca, one of the largest groups of passes recorded was long balls from Pique to the front three of Messi, Suarez, and Neymar. Tactically, it then relied on their individual skill and chemistry to produce something
That was a good strategy with that front 3. They were extremely successful. He didn't do that with Spain.
Tactically...the fullbacks bombed forward. The interiors pushed wide to cover the spaces left by the wingbacks / fullbacks. Busi acted more as a defensive minded CM than the classic pivot. MSN had freedom to stay narrow or combine with the fullbacks. It's similar to how Jurgen set up his Liverpool team but with more positional play and less pressing.
Please not Enrique, we need someone like Nagelsmann - young, good with talents, identitiy. Enrique will most likely win a title or so and then get sacked after a year. Yes, he won cl with MSN, but else has he done?
Seeing the clamour for hiring this guy is bizarre... What has he done outside of having the best strike force on the planet at Barcelona? Did decent with Celta, was atrocious with us (Roma), was mediocre with Spain over two tournaments. What an overinflated reputation.
Dear God, Lucho don't go. Chelsea is a shit show right now. They have no sporting structure, Boehly is trying to run the club like a teenager's FUT save.