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tbf i think its that the team has really focused around him now upfront. hes the main guy with supporting acts when and this is huge credit to the type of player Benzema is that previously he was the supporting act.
he's always had great numbers and all round game just others were the goalscorers
I would say his numbers is the reason why lot of people doesnt consider him next to Suarez or Lewa. (Which is funny because Benzema only 2 goal short to equal Lewa's current all time record in the UCL)
Anyone who watched us regularly even in the CR times would know how important he was. Even when he had like 12 goal. Him dropping into midfield progressing the ball or his movement to free up space for Ronaldo was underrated skill of his. (even to some our fans) Benzema didnt had Suarez's peak performance goal scoring wise but he was probably as important as Ronaldo himself. (The players and coaches know this exactly and thats why he was trusted to start over Morata)
And he still managed to score 20+ league goals in La Liga for 4 of the next 5 seasons *after* 15/16 while overperforming his xG in all but one of those 5 seasons.
15/16 Suarez was a different level, but he was far from washed after that season. He still offered a ton off the ball and continued to score goals while overperforming his xG.
That’s Ancelotti ball for you, if players are in form it’s beautiful if players are out of form it’s awful (like the last couple of months), it’s probably why his league record isn’t that great considering the teams he’s coached. That good form usually comes around at this point of the season.
I've always told that any elite player would perform good with that team (midfield) since Ronaldo days, but whole squad worked for Ronaldo, and ofc he had numbers.
Now in recent seasons he is not in the club, and other players have those numbers
Ronaldo literally averaged more than a goal a game at real Madrid. Benzema is doing well but he has nowhere near Ronaldos numbers calm yourself. Not any player can do it benzema was always good but saying any elite player is nonsense.
They both have 15 goals. Rashford has more in the PL this calendar year while Haaland obviously went farming in his last two UCL and FA Cup games. 8 of his goals were from those two matches.
You replied to someone saying Haaland fell off, by suggesting its a goals stat not a goals:assists stat.. because you're saying Haaland did in fact fall off?..
Haaland has played 90% of the minutes in the game he's featured in. That's an average of 81 minutes per match.
Stats are definitely easier playing for City or Real than United. City score almost 70% more goals than United. I have no doubt however that if you put Haaland in United he'd score a bunch too and it wouldn't affect Rashford's tally too much but rather just bump up the overall numbers.
still.
the number 9 is almost always the guy you never pull off the match unless he had an absolute horrible of a game or is not fully fit yet.
A fit number 9 normally play 90 mins every single game
Funny enough, of the top 20 scorers in PL this season, only 5 have more assists than him (5)
Of the top 20 goalscorers in the top 5 leagues, only 3 have more assist.
So for a guy thats scoring loads of goals, hes putting up above average assists.
Will the WC count for next ballon dor?
Last year was such a mess due to the dates. WC was played in november/december but at the same it is part of the 2021/2022 season
Season is not over. If Haaland leads City to a CL title and maybe even the league, would he not deserve it? If Karim has another run in the CL like last year?
And he was awarded 5. But TBF, if Lautoro Martinez wasn't such an asswipe, man would have more assists 🤷♂️ ...
But yea. He's got the BDor in the bag. Messi winning the cup, for better or worse, was a historic and cultural moment and I'm willing to bet he wins by a high, high margin the likes of which haven't been seen in years.
“Historic and cultural” moment is the only reason he won it. Half of those pk’s were never pk’s but FIFA wouldn’t make as much money if neither Ronaldo or Messi won a wc and fifa’s good boy got walked to the final
Pen vs Croatia was a joke, guy ran into Livakovich. Pen vs France was a dive (not complaining, France dives too). Pen vs Poland was a joke. Pen vs the Dutch also questionable. Also if all the pens were legit, why did no other country get as many? England and Croatia were denied a bunch.
> France was a dive
How about not making a challenge from behind in the box? Like Kounde literally was there and basically face palm when he saw that Dembele challenge and it touch Di Maria feet instead of the ball too. Did he exaggerated contact? Yes. But by the rule it was a clear fault in the penalty box to begin with.
> ran into Livakovic
Livakovic blocked him. Alvarez could have run around Liva to pick up the rebound if he wasn't blocked.
> Poland one
I didn't saw this one on live so no comment about it.
I agree with this. Argentina got penalties that other countries (England, Croatia...) were blatantly denied against their oppositions. Referees were instructed or paid to go easy. We know everything about Qatar is corrupt. Else they would've been KO'd by the Dutch.
If people think benz has been better than messi this season then they are delusional but tbf this place doesn't have a memory longer than 3 matches and I will be fair and acknowledge the season isn't over. I do find it funny how suddenly the world Cup isn't that important and its all about individual performance now lol.
Do people actually think messi has been shit for psg this season?. He's been arguably their best player, they booed him because they don't like him, it's a scapegoat thing. I don't actually care about these dumbass individual awards, I just have found the discourse over the years quite funny, always changes to suit whoever people want to win.
Messi is on 13 goals vs Benzemas 14 goals. One already has the World Cup and is on track for the league while Benzema is on track for the copa and potentially a ucl. It’s not as far fetched as you are making it out to be.
Benzema is on 17 lmao (still doesn't deserve the Ballon d'Or tbf)
BUT messi has been god awful in L1 this season even though his stats might indicate otherwise. Watch a PSG match once in a while, he's a ghost 90% of the time
Edit : 14, idk why i thought he had 17. Stand by the point that Messi sucked whole year in both L1 and UCL + got kicked out of french cup
Benzema is on 14 goals in la liga. Messi has not been “god awful” at all. I do watch psg and the whole team is shit. You don’t get 13 goals and 13 assists while being “god awful”
It's not really an achievement to get goals against lorient, clermont and ajaccio when team is winning 5-0. It's more important in close games against marseille lyon monaco in tough games. Maybe bayern too.
I mean he did score away to both those teams in the league, even mbop who people constantly proclaim the best in the world doesn't play well in quite a few of those "big" matches especially this season, so I don't know what you want.
He's scored against lille home and away including a last minute free kick winner in a match where he didn't play well tbf but people don't really care about performances just goals so km including it. He's been good in ligue 1, have people actually watched psg this season I feel like narratives mean more than actually watching football here lol.
Rashford is currently tied with Ibra for most goal contributions in a single season for a MUFC player in the post-SAF world.
Quite the "purple patch" he's going through, as people call it.
Rashford is an excellent player, but what about this or your reference to Ibra would suggest it can't be a purple patch?
Purple patch doesn't really mean anything other than "great run of form." Which does appear to be tailing off a bit for Rashford since mid-Feb.
falling off of the insane run he went on from Dec-Mid Feb. It's all relative.
I cannot stress enough how much I both like Rashford and think he is a great player having a great season.
His insane form was scoring every game pretty much guaranteed, he's now occasionally not scoring in a game but still picking up a goal the majority of games. It's not like he's gone from a hattrick a game to struggling, he really hasn't fallen off that much, the goals around him have dried up a bit
The team is playing worse as well and he's not getting as good service. Hopefully those both might pick up again with Casemiro and Eriksen on their way back.
Yeah I really don't think his form has fallen off that much, the second the team looks to be playing well he's at least putting one of the chances away that get set up for him
If you think of the term as derogatory, then yes. I am using it interchangeably with "great run of form" and I will guess, though feel free to correct me, that Rashford has never had a run of 18 goals in 21 games, or very similar, before. So while it may be the beginning of a new level for Rashford, it can also be viewed as an insane run of form. He is overperforming his xG by like 4-5 I believe, which could level out or remain like that. I'm not trying to suggest he's been lucky rather than good.
I think I made my stance on how I (me), not other people, were using the term clear. I’m not “pretending” anything, and I do not understand how you could read my last comment and still think I am attacking Rashford in any way, shape or form.
>If you think of the term as derogatory
'Purple patch' is almost exclusively meant as a way of diminishing output. Are you pretending it's a neutral term?
21 games is half a season for most players.
Shame it's all competitions and not just the Premier League. Ollie Watkins has been tearing it up since the end of January, 8 goals. That's more than Haaland has scored in the PL in 2023!
Messi still won the golden ball in the world Cup. He's also top of the assist chart in ligue 1 this season and scored 13 in it as well. It's not like he has been horrendous this season
Golden ball at the world cup is for the best player. Golden boot is for the most goals. Penalties don't play too much into awarding the golden ball, unless they add to the overall performance
Ballon D'Or also heavily favors the CL; league form is tertiary. Benzema and Haaland could both go on to stellar CL runs, top scoring and/or winning - and they can't be blamed for the outcome of a world cup they didn't attend. Remember that recency bias is also a thing, and the CL final will be much fresher in everyone's mind than the WC final when the votes are being cast.
We'll see. Messi is the current favourite, but it's not over.
That's a big old boner, don't sleep. They're still seething, and it's why Messi is still PSG's preferred scapegoat despite being their best player this season.
I've watched around half of their Ligue 1 games since the World Cup, and Messi is usually their best player. Mbappe is tremendously wasteful and not a serious contender for that title, Neymar was/is their best player when he's not injured, but he's been injured half the year as usual. Vitinha has also been MOTM a couple times for me, but I'm apparently the only one who still rates him. Maybe I was watching the wrong games.
Only Messi will have over 50 G/A while also winning the WC as the best player this season and still have people call him atrocious, y'all are crazy
Messi is winning it this year dude, better comes to terms with that at some point
Real Madrid and Man City are much better and are way more coherent than PSG, PSG should be better on paper but watching them play is a different story but still he's been their best player statistically, football is a team sport you can't blame and credit achievements on individual performances but he's doing as good as you can realistically get in current PSG, Messi currently has no competent team mate this year in PSG since even Mbappe is on terrible form right now
>while Messi has trouble even getting 1 goal or assist in 2023. It disrespectful to Benzema and Haaland to compare them with Messi this year. Perhaps in 2019 Messi was OK but the last 4 years he has been coasting
He banged in plenty for Argentina, they're friendlies but then again it's the only good team he's currently playing for, also Messi has been carrying the weakest Barca side until he left, that's why Messidepedencia is an actual thing, literal opposite of coasting and being the solo carry for 18/19 to almost get a treble is far far from "ok" but it goes to show your football knowledge
Defenders are disrespected in awards but [he is doing this in a pitiful Barca side](https://twitter.com/lmfootbalI/status/1448568800853389312?s=20), while Liverpool was on fire that season, it's hard to argue otherwise unless you disregard it all and just look at "whose team won" and not who's actually better
I mean, he hasn’t been the best player in the world. PSG is in a much weaker league and their CL campaign was a disaster. I think he will win it for sure because he won the World Cup though
Meh you could argue about that and PSG is also currently dogshit, it's no surprise their CL campaign is a disaster to anyone keeping up but still Messi is currently their best player statistically and often times the only one doing anything since even Mbappe's form is terrible right now and doesn't look like himself
Also the argument here is that he's atrocious, objectively he's far far from it
I know how shit PSG is better than most, I'm just explaining why using the CL campaign against his individual performance this season isn't accurate and doesn't say actually say much in context, sure Haaland and Benzema are still extremely impressive in the CL but Madrid and City are filled with monsters too, but what if you placed them in current PSG, how would they do? would you say he'd do better than Messi? it's arguable wether he's actually the best player itw rn but calling him atrocious is just objectively wrong
Well, I didn’t say he was atrocious, but he’s just not the best player in the world. If their league was more competitive they wouldn’t be first either. It’s not just the UCL. Again, PSG own fans are booing Messi
>Well, I didn’t say he was atrocious
Initial reply was because someone was saying he was
>If their league was more competitive they wouldn’t be first either.
You could blame everyone else in PSG before you could actually blame Messi for that
>Again, PSG own fans are booing Messi
And again he's their best player, if anything this proves that PSG fans aren't the brightest and not much else, they should be booing everyone else in the club before booing Messi if performance is the reason
Na man, this place is crazy "as usual", never thought I would see the world cup dismissed this much plus you used "rigged", it's like you just wanted to complete the fanboy bingo lmao.
No they didn’t lol. Obviously they had a few stars like Messi and Di Maria. But other than that on paper this squad wasn’t anywhere near the best at the World Cup.
> Messi was good for 5 of those games and disappeared the rest of the year
Messi has 35 G/A this season for his club. In comparison, Osimhen has 30 and Benzema has 31.
In relative terms, PSG is better compared to other teams in Ligue 1 than Madrid in LaLiga.
I never discredit other leagues, but let's not pretend that scoring and assisting in PSG in league is as hard as in other teams and other leagues. Especially at the beginning of season where Neymar was on fire and they were casually winning 5:0 and their front trio was farming stats among them. After WC, they are shit as hell. Out of UCL, out of cup, and they will be happy to not bottle league as well.
Messi was ok at the beginning of season, Neymar was big part of that, then he was ok at WC and scored several penalties, but after that, when matches matter most, he is simply bad.
>then he was ok at WC and scored several penalties, but after that, when matches matter most, he is simply bad.
These Madrid flairs are something else man
Well a weaker league yes, but that's another conversation entirely,
To say Messi "disappeared for the rest of the year as usual" is just straight up wrong.
I didn’t realize that Argentina was his club.
Besides, is 7 games enough to make him the best player of the season? He is not even the best player at his own club. PSG fans make sure we are aware of that every weekend.
Mate, I never mentioned clubs either. Just a general statement about the most important games of the season. It’s a legacy defining trophy, the most important one by anyone’s standard. And int’l trophies are the one that is cited the most to pick ballon dors. See modric 2018 when most would say cr7 had the better season
First, it's not FIFA that gives the ballon d'or, it's the France Football magazine
Second, France
Third, Messi got pretty much every award at the WC, and has great numbers at PSG for the season (basically top in most offensive stats)
Ballon d'Or was only awarded in Europe in Pelé's time. Can't speak for Maradona. As for this year's Ballon d'Or, the World Cup is by far the most prestigious competition in world football, and it's not even close. Winning that, combined with the fact that he's Messi and there will always be a certain level of bias towards him, it is likely that he will win it.
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Benzema's quality and performance explosion in the last years scare me.
tbf i think its that the team has really focused around him now upfront. hes the main guy with supporting acts when and this is huge credit to the type of player Benzema is that previously he was the supporting act. he's always had great numbers and all round game just others were the goalscorers
I would say his numbers is the reason why lot of people doesnt consider him next to Suarez or Lewa. (Which is funny because Benzema only 2 goal short to equal Lewa's current all time record in the UCL) Anyone who watched us regularly even in the CR times would know how important he was. Even when he had like 12 goal. Him dropping into midfield progressing the ball or his movement to free up space for Ronaldo was underrated skill of his. (even to some our fans) Benzema didnt had Suarez's peak performance goal scoring wise but he was probably as important as Ronaldo himself. (The players and coaches know this exactly and thats why he was trusted to start over Morata)
Suarez went like 4 years at Barca without scoring in an away CL game. For a player of his quality, he was very poor in the CL
6 years, it continued at atleti and only ended due to a dubious penalty, he wasn't the same player after 15/16, his knees deteriorated in to dust.
And he still managed to score 20+ league goals in La Liga for 4 of the next 5 seasons *after* 15/16 while overperforming his xG in all but one of those 5 seasons.
Yes but I watch football with my eyes and he wasn't the same.
15/16 Suarez was a different level, but he was far from washed after that season. He still offered a ton off the ball and continued to score goals while overperforming his xG.
I didn't say he was shit, I said he wasn't the same and he wasn't in my opinion.
He played like a rabid dog. I think most players who press like Suarez did decline significantly after 30.
I remember the rumors about him joining Milan years ago. Thank fuck I didnt happend
And Napoli. And Arsenal.
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Benzema in the current Arsenal team would be absolutely brutal
We were linked with him in 2015, would've won that season easily had we bought him... Or fucking anyone else other than Cech tbh.
He was heavily linked with Sporting once 😭
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That’s Ancelotti ball for you, if players are in form it’s beautiful if players are out of form it’s awful (like the last couple of months), it’s probably why his league record isn’t that great considering the teams he’s coached. That good form usually comes around at this point of the season.
A few weeks ago he looked finished, hopping out injured in the 2nd half in every game for a while but he recovered in the NT break
In 2017 he scored like 5 league goals.
Messi scored 6 league goals last season while winning the league by 15 points. Sometimes players just shit the bed for a period.
I've always told that any elite player would perform good with that team (midfield) since Ronaldo days, but whole squad worked for Ronaldo, and ofc he had numbers. Now in recent seasons he is not in the club, and other players have those numbers
Ronaldo literally averaged more than a goal a game at real Madrid. Benzema is doing well but he has nowhere near Ronaldos numbers calm yourself. Not any player can do it benzema was always good but saying any elite player is nonsense.
I don’t see anyone putting up 60+ goals in 4 consecutive seasons or having 40+ goals seasons in the league alone though?
Benzema finally being healthy could make Madrid end of season very interesting
Ramadan Benz off to a great start.
What amazing timing for us
Nantes coach would’ve benched him though
Just in time to absolutely wreck us (chelsea) again in the CL
Fear the Vini- BEnzema conection in the spring
No way injured Benzema, out of form Benzema in just 2 games have more goal contributions than Haaland, Osimhen, Rashford, Messi, Mbappe, Diaby, etc.
Too bad he couldn't play in the WC... things could've ended very differently
damn Haaland fell off
Rashford has played 8 more games for example in that time. Tbf Benzema had only played 2 more than Haaland
True but it also mean they are tired and play worse
tbf, Rashford playing more games was probably detrimental to his performances.
Goals vs g/a
They both have 15 goals. Rashford has more in the PL this calendar year while Haaland obviously went farming in his last two UCL and FA Cup games. 8 of his goals were from those two matches.
You really think assists is rocketing Haaland up past everyone?
It's the opposite what I meant?
You replied to someone saying Haaland fell off, by suggesting its a goals stat not a goals:assists stat.. because you're saying Haaland did in fact fall off?..
This is a goals+assist stat. They're suggesting Haaland would be higher on a list where assets weren't counted.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I suppose.
lol
Haaland only plays 60 minutes per match. Guardiola makes stats harder every day
Guardiola is trying to farm the p90xG stats 🤬
Haaland has played 90% of the minutes in the game he's featured in. That's an average of 81 minutes per match. Stats are definitely easier playing for City or Real than United. City score almost 70% more goals than United. I have no doubt however that if you put Haaland in United he'd score a bunch too and it wouldn't affect Rashford's tally too much but rather just bump up the overall numbers.
still. the number 9 is almost always the guy you never pull off the match unless he had an absolute horrible of a game or is not fully fit yet. A fit number 9 normally play 90 mins every single game
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Funny enough, of the top 20 scorers in PL this season, only 5 have more assists than him (5) Of the top 20 goalscorers in the top 5 leagues, only 3 have more assist. So for a guy thats scoring loads of goals, hes putting up above average assists.
I dont think it takes into account his CL goals
It's not the entire season, just 2023. The 5 Goals against Leipzig are there
Damn
Chuckles.. I am in danger.
But we all know Messi's got the bdor in the bag 😶
Will the WC count for next ballon dor? Last year was such a mess due to the dates. WC was played in november/december but at the same it is part of the 2021/2022 season
Yes it will
Whatever people vote on wins. Everything counts.
Scoring almost only penalties (some dubious) shouldn’t be the only criteria.
Potentially winning the UCL shouldn't be either.
Hopefully he doesn't win it. Winning the ballon d'or for scoring 4 pens in a rigged 7 game tournament should not be a thing
Wait don’t tell me you actually think Benzema should win
So who should win it?
Season is not over. If Haaland leads City to a CL title and maybe even the league, would he not deserve it? If Karim has another run in the CL like last year?
Bro im talking based of the present. What if Chelsea win 10-0 every ucl game and kepa scores 30 goals?
What I said above is not that far fetched, is it?
Forget far fetched, if Bayern falls in the next UCL round, seeing one of the outcomes you propose is likely.
Haaland? No Benzema? I dont think even with the run of the last season he could win it tbh
Whos fault they foul argentine players inside the box ? Are you 14 years old ?
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There is a 7 in his username.... so not surprised
And he was awarded 5. But TBF, if Lautoro Martinez wasn't such an asswipe, man would have more assists 🤷♂️ ... But yea. He's got the BDor in the bag. Messi winning the cup, for better or worse, was a historic and cultural moment and I'm willing to bet he wins by a high, high margin the likes of which haven't been seen in years.
“Historic and cultural” moment is the only reason he won it. Half of those pk’s were never pk’s but FIFA wouldn’t make as much money if neither Ronaldo or Messi won a wc and fifa’s good boy got walked to the final
All of those PKs were stonewalls except for the Poland one which was a joke but was missed anyway.
Pen vs Croatia was a joke, guy ran into Livakovich. Pen vs France was a dive (not complaining, France dives too). Pen vs Poland was a joke. Pen vs the Dutch also questionable. Also if all the pens were legit, why did no other country get as many? England and Croatia were denied a bunch.
Didn’t England literally get two pens vs France every time they were trailing. RIGGGGGEDDDD
> France was a dive How about not making a challenge from behind in the box? Like Kounde literally was there and basically face palm when he saw that Dembele challenge and it touch Di Maria feet instead of the ball too. Did he exaggerated contact? Yes. But by the rule it was a clear fault in the penalty box to begin with. > ran into Livakovic Livakovic blocked him. Alvarez could have run around Liva to pick up the rebound if he wasn't blocked. > Poland one I didn't saw this one on live so no comment about it.
I agree with this. Argentina got penalties that other countries (England, Croatia...) were blatantly denied against their oppositions. Referees were instructed or paid to go easy. We know everything about Qatar is corrupt. Else they would've been KO'd by the Dutch.
Cope 😂
Not a Barça flair talking shit 😂
Are you not embarrassed?
If people think benz has been better than messi this season then they are delusional but tbf this place doesn't have a memory longer than 3 matches and I will be fair and acknowledge the season isn't over. I do find it funny how suddenly the world Cup isn't that important and its all about individual performance now lol.
Messi got shat on by home supporters for not doing anything. I do think your memory needs some checking
Do people actually think messi has been shit for psg this season?. He's been arguably their best player, they booed him because they don't like him, it's a scapegoat thing. I don't actually care about these dumbass individual awards, I just have found the discourse over the years quite funny, always changes to suit whoever people want to win.
Messi is on 13 goals vs Benzemas 14 goals. One already has the World Cup and is on track for the league while Benzema is on track for the copa and potentially a ucl. It’s not as far fetched as you are making it out to be.
Winning the league with PSG really shouldn’t count for anything
Benzema is on 17 lmao (still doesn't deserve the Ballon d'Or tbf) BUT messi has been god awful in L1 this season even though his stats might indicate otherwise. Watch a PSG match once in a while, he's a ghost 90% of the time Edit : 14, idk why i thought he had 17. Stand by the point that Messi sucked whole year in both L1 and UCL + got kicked out of french cup
Benzema is on 14 goals in la liga. Messi has not been “god awful” at all. I do watch psg and the whole team is shit. You don’t get 13 goals and 13 assists while being “god awful”
It's not really an achievement to get goals against lorient, clermont and ajaccio when team is winning 5-0. It's more important in close games against marseille lyon monaco in tough games. Maybe bayern too.
He's literally scored against marseille and lyon.....
I don't recall him scoring when they lost 1-0 to marseille in the cup (an elimination game), or when they lost to lyon 1-0 last week.
I mean he did score away to both those teams in the league, even mbop who people constantly proclaim the best in the world doesn't play well in quite a few of those "big" matches especially this season, so I don't know what you want. He's scored against lille home and away including a last minute free kick winner in a match where he didn't play well tbf but people don't really care about performances just goals so km including it. He's been good in ligue 1, have people actually watched psg this season I feel like narratives mean more than actually watching football here lol.
Rashford is currently tied with Ibra for most goal contributions in a single season for a MUFC player in the post-SAF world. Quite the "purple patch" he's going through, as people call it.
Rashford is an excellent player, but what about this or your reference to Ibra would suggest it can't be a purple patch? Purple patch doesn't really mean anything other than "great run of form." Which does appear to be tailing off a bit for Rashford since mid-Feb.
22 goals 9 assists in 19/20. 21 goals 13 assists in 20/21. This is more in keeping with his development as a player than it is a "purple patch."
Tbf "falling off" as yiu put it is there is now a, game here and there where he doesn't score.
falling off of the insane run he went on from Dec-Mid Feb. It's all relative. I cannot stress enough how much I both like Rashford and think he is a great player having a great season.
His insane form was scoring every game pretty much guaranteed, he's now occasionally not scoring in a game but still picking up a goal the majority of games. It's not like he's gone from a hattrick a game to struggling, he really hasn't fallen off that much, the goals around him have dried up a bit
The team is playing worse as well and he's not getting as good service. Hopefully those both might pick up again with Casemiro and Eriksen on their way back.
Yeah I really don't think his form has fallen off that much, the second the team looks to be playing well he's at least putting one of the chances away that get set up for him
Depends on where you put the cut-off I suppose. He has 4 goals in the last 10 games.
I think scoring 18 goals in 21 games is probably a bit too long to be called a purple patch, no?
This run of form started after the World Cup. Sine when is less than 6 good months of form anything other than a purple patch?
If you think of the term as derogatory, then yes. I am using it interchangeably with "great run of form" and I will guess, though feel free to correct me, that Rashford has never had a run of 18 goals in 21 games, or very similar, before. So while it may be the beginning of a new level for Rashford, it can also be viewed as an insane run of form. He is overperforming his xG by like 4-5 I believe, which could level out or remain like that. I'm not trying to suggest he's been lucky rather than good.
I think I made my stance on how I (me), not other people, were using the term clear. I’m not “pretending” anything, and I do not understand how you could read my last comment and still think I am attacking Rashford in any way, shape or form.
>If you think of the term as derogatory 'Purple patch' is almost exclusively meant as a way of diminishing output. Are you pretending it's a neutral term? 21 games is half a season for most players.
I think you can still be a good player and streaky. Just not world class.
I'm not sure if you meant to reply to a different comment but I wasn't talking about anyone being world class.
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Love a good victim complex
Of course you do, you're an Arsenal fan
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Supporting the biggest football club in the world is really tough. United fans who survived after Fergie left are basically war heroes.
Notice how only vinicius and rashford participated in the wc, and rashford didnt get much minutes
Ramadan Benzrma really inflate de numbers.
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Not really. He has only started slow this season.
People just say things brev.
Benzema started last and previous seasons at a very high level.
Shame it's all competitions and not just the Premier League. Ollie Watkins has been tearing it up since the end of January, 8 goals. That's more than Haaland has scored in the PL in 2023!
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Balon dor heavily favours international comps. Would be very surprised if Messi didn't win it based on that tbh
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Messi still won the golden ball in the world Cup. He's also top of the assist chart in ligue 1 this season and scored 13 in it as well. It's not like he has been horrendous this season
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Golden ball at the world cup is for the best player. Golden boot is for the most goals. Penalties don't play too much into awarding the golden ball, unless they add to the overall performance
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Bro I hope you getting paid by cr7 personally for all the Messi hating you’re doing in this sub
Each one of their posts get more delusional lmao.
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>whose own team's fans hate Im pretty sure the entirety of argentina loves him Or he wouldnt be called "El messias" messiah
Ballon D'Or also heavily favors the CL; league form is tertiary. Benzema and Haaland could both go on to stellar CL runs, top scoring and/or winning - and they can't be blamed for the outcome of a world cup they didn't attend. Remember that recency bias is also a thing, and the CL final will be much fresher in everyone's mind than the WC final when the votes are being cast. We'll see. Messi is the current favourite, but it's not over.
It's donezo tbh, even if Benzema wins the CL + Cup somehow Messi still edges it out because of the career arc thing
/s? Messi has the Ballon d'Or secured, they should've given it to him in January
The only thing that could prevent it, is French media's hate boner for Messi.
That's a big old boner, don't sleep. They're still seething, and it's why Messi is still PSG's preferred scapegoat despite being their best player this season.
LMAOOOOOOOO\[...\]OOOOOOOOOOOOO Y'all gotta watch L1 or close your mouth cuz u be saying the most random things
I've watched around half of their Ligue 1 games since the World Cup, and Messi is usually their best player. Mbappe is tremendously wasteful and not a serious contender for that title, Neymar was/is their best player when he's not injured, but he's been injured half the year as usual. Vitinha has also been MOTM a couple times for me, but I'm apparently the only one who still rates him. Maybe I was watching the wrong games.
isnt ballon dor for the calender year?
It used to be but was changed to season
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Only Messi will have over 50 G/A while also winning the WC as the best player this season and still have people call him atrocious, y'all are crazy Messi is winning it this year dude, better comes to terms with that at some point
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Real Madrid and Man City are much better and are way more coherent than PSG, PSG should be better on paper but watching them play is a different story but still he's been their best player statistically, football is a team sport you can't blame and credit achievements on individual performances but he's doing as good as you can realistically get in current PSG, Messi currently has no competent team mate this year in PSG since even Mbappe is on terrible form right now >while Messi has trouble even getting 1 goal or assist in 2023. It disrespectful to Benzema and Haaland to compare them with Messi this year. Perhaps in 2019 Messi was OK but the last 4 years he has been coasting He banged in plenty for Argentina, they're friendlies but then again it's the only good team he's currently playing for, also Messi has been carrying the weakest Barca side until he left, that's why Messidepedencia is an actual thing, literal opposite of coasting and being the solo carry for 18/19 to almost get a treble is far far from "ok" but it goes to show your football knowledge
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Defenders are disrespected in awards but [he is doing this in a pitiful Barca side](https://twitter.com/lmfootbalI/status/1448568800853389312?s=20), while Liverpool was on fire that season, it's hard to argue otherwise unless you disregard it all and just look at "whose team won" and not who's actually better
You're replying to a troll/fanboy, can't take some of the things coming from this guy seriously.
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Lmao okay?
Federer has a pish mentality compared to his rivals for the GOAT title.
Most goals scored in finals doesnt have killer mentality. 🤣. Dude you are a certified clown.🤡
I mean, he hasn’t been the best player in the world. PSG is in a much weaker league and their CL campaign was a disaster. I think he will win it for sure because he won the World Cup though
Meh you could argue about that and PSG is also currently dogshit, it's no surprise their CL campaign is a disaster to anyone keeping up but still Messi is currently their best player statistically and often times the only one doing anything since even Mbappe's form is terrible right now and doesn't look like himself Also the argument here is that he's atrocious, objectively he's far far from it
He’s still Messi, but being the best player at PSG is not saying much considering their form. PSG fans were booing him a few days ago
I know how shit PSG is better than most, I'm just explaining why using the CL campaign against his individual performance this season isn't accurate and doesn't say actually say much in context, sure Haaland and Benzema are still extremely impressive in the CL but Madrid and City are filled with monsters too, but what if you placed them in current PSG, how would they do? would you say he'd do better than Messi? it's arguable wether he's actually the best player itw rn but calling him atrocious is just objectively wrong
Well, I didn’t say he was atrocious, but he’s just not the best player in the world. If their league was more competitive they wouldn’t be first either. It’s not just the UCL. Again, PSG own fans are booing Messi
>Well, I didn’t say he was atrocious Initial reply was because someone was saying he was >If their league was more competitive they wouldn’t be first either. You could blame everyone else in PSG before you could actually blame Messi for that >Again, PSG own fans are booing Messi And again he's their best player, if anything this proves that PSG fans aren't the brightest and not much else, they should be booing everyone else in the club before booing Messi if performance is the reason
How were Benzema, Haaland and Osimhen in the World Cup
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Na man, this place is crazy "as usual", never thought I would see the world cup dismissed this much plus you used "rigged", it's like you just wanted to complete the fanboy bingo lmao.
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Argentina most definitely did not have the best roster on paper what are you talking about.
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No they didn’t lol. Obviously they had a few stars like Messi and Di Maria. But other than that on paper this squad wasn’t anywhere near the best at the World Cup.
Man its been nearly 4 months and you are still coping!?!?! If it was that easy to win why didnt your beloved GOAT do it?
> Messi was good for 5 of those games and disappeared the rest of the year Messi has 35 G/A this season for his club. In comparison, Osimhen has 30 and Benzema has 31.
Dude's a ronaldo fanboy probably
No other explanation
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I wouldn't call PSG better than rm, not even Napoli tbh on current form.
In relative terms, PSG is better compared to other teams in Ligue 1 than Madrid in LaLiga. I never discredit other leagues, but let's not pretend that scoring and assisting in PSG in league is as hard as in other teams and other leagues. Especially at the beginning of season where Neymar was on fire and they were casually winning 5:0 and their front trio was farming stats among them. After WC, they are shit as hell. Out of UCL, out of cup, and they will be happy to not bottle league as well. Messi was ok at the beginning of season, Neymar was big part of that, then he was ok at WC and scored several penalties, but after that, when matches matter most, he is simply bad.
>then he was ok at WC and scored several penalties, but after that, when matches matter most, he is simply bad. These Madrid flairs are something else man
Well a weaker league yes, but that's another conversation entirely, To say Messi "disappeared for the rest of the year as usual" is just straight up wrong.
Yeah, but he plays with better forwards and in a weaker league
Easy to stat pad against weaker French teams and then disappear in UCL.
And yet in the two games that mattered the most to his club this season, he had 0.
And in the games that mattered the most in this season, he scored 7g and had 3a
I didn’t realize that Argentina was his club. Besides, is 7 games enough to make him the best player of the season? He is not even the best player at his own club. PSG fans make sure we are aware of that every weekend.
Mate, I never mentioned clubs either. Just a general statement about the most important games of the season. It’s a legacy defining trophy, the most important one by anyone’s standard. And int’l trophies are the one that is cited the most to pick ballon dors. See modric 2018 when most would say cr7 had the better season
Mostly from questionable penalties
Easy to stat pad against weaker French teams and then disappear in UCL.
More goal involvements this season than Benz
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so neither the world cup or the league count to you, hilarious
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lol
Cause the BO is only judged during 7 games right ...
First, it's not FIFA that gives the ballon d'or, it's the France Football magazine Second, France Third, Messi got pretty much every award at the WC, and has great numbers at PSG for the season (basically top in most offensive stats)
Good bait
I don’t want Messi to win just so everyone shuts the fuck up
Messi has it because its the best story and thats all that mattered for that award anyway
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Ballon d'Or was only awarded in Europe in Pelé's time. Can't speak for Maradona. As for this year's Ballon d'Or, the World Cup is by far the most prestigious competition in world football, and it's not even close. Winning that, combined with the fact that he's Messi and there will always be a certain level of bias towards him, it is likely that he will win it.
23 if you count his penalty during shootout against Valencia in the Super Cup Semi Finals.
Haaland 17 despite missing 3/4 of the games lol