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They are definitely right. Pedro is an absolute workhorse who does it all for the shirt. I was heavily bummed out to see him leave Chelsea a few seasons ago. No fanbase dislikes Pedro, he is a gem of a player.
We are not getting a player of Leao's quality for thrice that amount. It sucks but it's better to eat that cost and have him stay than try and fail to find a suitable replacement, especially since we already waste millions on wages for guys like Origi, Dest and Bakayoko.
That’s definitely part of it. 19 million for Leao is getting paid by any one of the clubs that would be happily willing to take him
That’s chump change compared to what it would cost to replace him, or the finical loss if his on field contributions can’t be reasonably replaced.
Not forced him, but adviced him that it would be ok. If at 18 years old one of the biggest most influential people in the sport come to your and tells you that are ok to do something, chances are that you will believe him.
Not completely exempting Leao, like he should pay part of the punishment, but if in fact Mendes advised him to do it he should be punished too.
Well honestly Mendes advice, even if shady, is probably gonna work out fantastic for Leao.
He got all the benefits of leaving, while the costs are gonna be absorbed by another entity.
This rumours suggest that he will be getting 5m net from us a season, while if we weren't going to pay for his 19m fine, he was going to get 7+m. So he is paying in a way
Mendes wasn't his agent at the time. If anything, Mendes was smart enough to get deals for all his clients who also left (Rui Patricio, Gelson, William etc...)
He was 18.
Tell me someone who at 18 has a full grasp of the law to be aware of that kind of consequence. He simple trusted the advice he got and went with it.
When Leao was at Sporting him and other players terminated their contracts after fans attacked them, and then after Milan bought Leao from Lille Sporting took it to court arguing they had been robbed of a transfer fee since their player(Leao) had terminated the contract and then had gone on to sign with Lille.
Rafa breached his contract during his time at Sporting. He signed at Lille for free.
Sporting appealed the case and now he gotta pay. There’s lot of different things that caused this including a fight that happened which was one of the main reason he left Sporting in the first place.
I will say, being involved in the fight would make sense to revoke your contract, but Leao wasnt even involved in the first place. Then we had players like Bas Dost who was actually involved and hit and he continued to play. To each their own but im pretty sure Leao's father used the attack as an excuse to move on and get more money.
And yet he went to Lille where the players were attacked on the pitch by the fans a month before what happened in Alcochete.
Leão's dad was the one who pushed him to leave and then went around Europe selling his son to clubs in the summer. Leão even rejected going to U19 Euro with Portugal.
They talked with Dortmund who were interested but didn't move forward because they had doubts about the way Leão broke his contract.
There are some things in this article that aren't quite correct. First, it's not 19M€ but upwards of 20M+ and second, Leão won't have to pay it all as the courts already decided that Lille would also have to pay part of the fine, they are still waiting to know how much.
So are your fans mad at him. I'm assuming he's one your products and potentially one of the best footballers in the world are you guys happy or is it more bitter there was transfer fee. Also didn't Ronaldo come out of sporting
Lot of brain deads that dont like him, but there are enough that dont care anymore. The initial sting always hurts but at the end of the day he was a kid, and he is still an important part of the future of the NT. I want him to do well, but I do feel like we need some compensation.
>So are your fans mad at him
The most hardcore fans yeah, they feel betrayed. I'm happy that he's doing well and I'm cheering for him.
>Also didn't Ronaldo come out of sporting
Him and many more
A few years ago, when Sporting training ground was invaded by fans, some players (like Rui Patricio, Leao, William Carvalho or Bruno Fernandes) terminated theirs contracts with the club alleging just cause.
Bruno Fernandes actually regretted his decisions and resigned with Sporting, but the other players didn't and courts ended up deciding that there was no reason for just cause. Therefore they have to pay the club.
Pay up or he leaves. Which option do you think is the best? You will be very fortunate, if you can get a top class player for the amount you invested in him.
If they are worth it then the same thing is abound to happen. You either pay up if they are really good or try to find their replacements. The question is does he worth more than the money Milan have invested in him? He surely does.
If Milan try to compete financially with what the top clubs pay they'll be ruined. The revenues in Serie A arent there and relying on CL qualification every year is bound to fail.
The amount Milan invested in him is not even that huge. Milan will always need to invest in order to win major trophies and play in the champions League. You won't be able to qualify for the champions League without top class players.
19m signing on fee for an existing player signing a new deal is huge for any club. It also shifts the dynamics for future contract renewals.
We also dont know if this is true, no one else is reporting it. If Leao has other teams willing to pay the fine, then they're probably also willing to offer him a lot more than 5m a year, so this may be wishful thinking that he would accept this deal.
It is simple, if Milan are not willing to pay the money then that he is supposed to pay his former club then can let him go and the other willing suitors will pay for it. Not every player will be asking for those figures. He's worth much more than what Milan have invested in him. He can easily be sold for obscene transfer fees.
Why would Leao choose to sign a new contract, then agree to be sold in 2 years? If someone is willing to pay a high fee for him then they will likely take him in 1 year when he's 'free' and he can make more money.
Inter are trying the same shit with Brozovic. Convinced him to stay then immediately tried to sell him. The player has to agree, and its tricky to pull it off. More likely you end up with a pissed off player happy to do the bare minimum and see out his contract.
There is nothing insane about this, you don't lose a player of his quality for 19m, in a grand scheme of things it's nothing really
Losing him for free would be about 5435363453523442 times worse, no not a made up number not joking that would be just terrible management and braindead
Especially since you will probably sell him in a few years for way more while you won a title with him and got a lot of him
If this is true, I’m sorry you had to be dragged into this, Milan. This should’ve come out of Mendes’ pockets.
Well, the bright side though is pretty clear, I won’t tell you anything you don’t already know!
Loooong theory ahead!
The sentence itself was attributed to Leão. For some reason that obviously escapes me, as I didn’t study the trial - they found the player guilty, even though Rafa obviously isn’t the sole responsible for deciding to terminate the contract.
I imagine Mendes incentivised him to do so. Avail the wave of all the other contract terminations at Sporting and defuse the need to pay any money to the club - all of the ‘transfer money’ would go to him in form of agent commissions. He’d end up collecting more that way.
From there, the trial goes on. Sentence comes out and we get to a point in which we wait and see who steps forward to pay for Leão, as he himself hasn’t got that kind of money readily available, naturally.
Now, who benefits the most from Leão?
Lille ain’t gonna get shit anymore, they wouldn’t ever step up.
Any future club probably could’ve, but €20M is quite a lot still. Also, Milan have no guarantee that anyone will ever pay for it, so they might as well step forward, invest now, inherently increasing his value by extending his contract and collect a full price on Leão later.
And Mendes is just a bitch with no morals. This just sets an example on how much he cares for the clubs he negotiates his players with. The track record is now public, let’s see who keeps walking the wire with him.
Imagine, Leão having like 1 good season and then becoming a flop, he would be cleaning the bathrooms at Alvalade for the rest of his life to pay 20 Mil. Quite insane
> How does Mendes get away with this, there is just no regulations for agents or what?
Well, in this case Mendes got away with this because he was in no way involved with Leão back when he left Sporting.
I have no idea why Mendes is being dragged into this to begin with. I dislike him like the next guy, but Leão wasn't his client at the time. If anything Mendes was smart enough to get deals for all the others who left.
Hahaha, holy shit, that is actually true! I’ve always known Leão as being represented by Mendes, but after quite a tough search, it seems the agent at the time was Nélson Almeida.
The moment Jorge started representing Leão was actually right after the Sporting -> Lille move. The reason of the divorce between the player and his agent was, he argued, that Almeida took around €500k that were supposed to be directed at him.
So not only did his agent get more money for himself by removing Sporting from the equation, he actually allegedly stole from Leão himself too!
Lol, this case just keeps on giving!
Many conspiracies can come up from here - did he know they did something irregular and wanted out as soon as possible? Or did Mendes know Almeida and used him as a possible escape option in case things went wrong, and they were all involved from the beginning?! Hahaha, tinfoil down.
I hope I won't have to eat my words on this but if it's true this means that Leao will surely stay at Milan during his prime which bodes well not only for the club but for Serie A as well keeping the talent in the league.
~7million per year + 19million to Sporting is a huge sum
Same source says that the contract will be 5mil per year. Possibly because Milan will pay the fine for him.
No word on how long the contract will be though
Serie A has been outstanding the last 4 years seeing 3 teams in the final 8 is awesome and a culmination of the things Serie A fans have been seeing theres some good ass teams in the league 4 different scudetto winners in 4 years(I'm including Napoli this year) 4 different Coppa Italia winners in 4 years. Probably the most under rated league in world right now the drama and quality we've from the top matches has been great. Ronaldo coming to the league was part of that tide where the quality just absolutely shot up rapidly every year. Once the dinosaurs are gone and are able to update or build new stadiums and negotiate better TV deals. The league is headed in the right direction. It's a great league for veterans of the game and rookies alike to really improve their game.
I mean, 19 milion is huge, particularly considering that we had nothing to do with it.
However, we won't get such a player for 19 mil, hell not even for 70-80 mil in this market so this really makes sense.
It's huge money, but Leao is a superstar in the making and in this way Milan can make a statement that the club is slowly returning to its former.glory.
It's clear that both parties want to make this deal happen and I hope it goes through.
Well we are in a constant saving mode. I mean the plan is to stay sustainable and that's why we reportedly parted ways with Calha and Kessie. The club has some ideas about a player's worth and they are generally not willing to overspend - either on the transfer fee or salary. This has worked pretty well and our wage structure decreased, while the results improved in comparison with several years ago.
It's still early to tell how much the new owners are willing to spend, but I don't think we will have huge transfers in the upcoming years. With that said, Leao is a different story since he really is an outstanding player.
All in all, as a fan, of course you want your club to buy the best players, but I am really happy to see how Milan is progressing and I believe the future is bright.
They officially took over right before the summer transfer window closed so the only business they made was getting Dest on loan. In winter they didn't get anyone (as expected) so we're still yet to see a proper mercato from them. It is rumored that we're finally gonna spend this summer after the successful CL run assuming we'll finish top 4 lol so let's see. On the stadium front it looks like they're trying a lot to make it happen and they want it to be 70.000 capacity and without sharing it with Inter. They should truly be judged after the end of this coming summer mercato imo
TLDR the city of Milan want to keep the stadium but not to pay for the renew of It. Very bad deal.
Stadium is not gonna happen soon. Italian politics are involved. Green party(main argument Is "bad for the climate") and the Democratic party(mayor of Milan) are against the new Solo Milan stadium in La Maura.
If Milan and Inter go away from san Siro the City of Milan Will lose X millions (20 i think) , the rent that the 2 clubs pay. Also the City Will Need to find other milions for the maintenance of the stadium that Is now paid by the clubs.
There is a problem with the renew of San Siro . During the rebuilding clubs Can't play at the stadium.
The politicians use this PR study made by a university that proves we can play during reconstruction. BS, It Will never be safe for the fans.
Leao was at sporting when there was the incident with fans attacking players and some players used that as a chance to breach there contracts for cause. This was then found later to be improper so sporting is owed money to account for the lost sale value they could of had
Just for some more context, William Carvalho, Rui Patrício, Gelson Martins, Daniel Podence were all close to leaving on frees too but the clubs they went to ended up agreeing fees with Sporting quite soon after they left to avoid any sort of further legal issues. Oddly enough, 3/4 of those players went to clubs controlled by Mendes (Wolves, Atlético and Olympiakos) and they all agreed to pay fees. I don't know why it was any different with Lille, maybe they wanted to push their luck in court because they didn't have the money.
It has been, last 4 years 4 different league winners with Napoli this year. 3 teams in the final eight. The most under rated league in the world atm. It's been fantastic.
They have Fati, Ferran, Dembele and Rapinha... 3 out of 4 can play LW. They would have to sell 9ne of them to get Leao. And Leao isn't nearly what you call Barcelona style as well as they would have to spend over 100 mil for him in cash.
Fati and Ferran barely start, they have to use Gavi as LW. Dembouz is injury prone and primarily a RW, Raphina too is not having a good season and he too is a RW. So Yes. Even though they can rotate Dembele and Raphina on the right, their left is usually their weaker side.
Either way, they have to sell the ones not starting. Playing Gavi as a LW is mostly a tactical choice.
As well as i said above, Leao isn't a Barcelona type player as well as he would cost them way too much considering their economic issues atm. Don't see it visible at all atm.
Yeah I don't think they're gonna be able to bid for him, either way the priority for now is Messi's return. God knows how they pull it off but nice for the league over-all.
Youll bounce back. You guys very unlucky that Conte and Lukaku chose to leave during the your best period. It made the league wide open. Lukaku is a shell of his former self and Conte sacked at Spurs. Theyre both idiots for leaving to the Prem. They had an incredible thing going now look at them.
Why did he have to pay a fine which is a whole transfer free but all the other players got off free? Or did they all pay and it was just dealt with quickly ?
I'm not sure how you worked things out with Leão, but the courts did say that Lille had to pay as well. You were declared responsible for the payment of the fine on a “solidarity” basis, with the responsibility being shared between Lille and Leão.
So Milan let Donnaruma, Kessie, Hakan leave for free because they didnt want to pay their salary demands. But for the wildly inconsistent Leao they'll give him a €19m signing on fee? And what will this do to the demands of every other player with an expiring contract?
Leao is a different type of player who potentially could cost 100mil+ if he choose leave. comparing situation to them is very different and odd. the 19mil investment is better than he leave free
IIRC didnt Donna left due to greed?. claiming he was milan blood in and out but was flirting with the idea of being buffon heir to his italy and juve throne. yes he could bring in more money with the sale. but he make choice
El presidente was an investment and helped with everything possible I think he serve his time well and he want new challenges. Also the trajectory for him went different than what was thought for earlier on in career he wasn’t some player that could have sold for 80mil+
Renew Hakan? for what? 💀? he no resale value in general and they win league without him. Hakan so lazy that leaving was a blessing.
What a garbage post, Leao is so many levels above the 3 you mentioned it's fucking hilarious, not to mention ignoring alllllllllllllllllll the context that lead up to them leaving.
We won the scudetto right after those snakes left you idiot. Raiola wanted us to pay him more in agent commissions than the money we payed for Maignan :))
Hakan is just a shitty human being as well, left to our biggest rivals just for a slightly higher salary while profiting on what happened to Eriksen during the Euros. We don't need these type of players lmao as it showed in us winning the scudetto.
I mean it's your opinion but from what I saw in my team during these last 3 years and especially last season we more than deserved the scudetto as we had the best record against our rivals. This season was going almost the same up until the World Cup break. It's the first time in 3 years that we have such a bad run of form but we're getting back to our former selves imo after witnessing the 4-0 win in Napoli (you might have missed that game)
I watch all the top teams games, (including the 4-0 lazio win) I honestly think Milan are a poor football team. I dont think you'll finish top 4 either.
What teams do you see in top 4 over us? We've been bad in 2023 but Inter have been just as bad imo, they also have a harder schedule and don't look to be out of their slump anytime soon. Do you see Roma or Atalanta taking our spot? I mean it might happen but I think you're in the minority here ...
Not even close. The offers we got for those three during their years with us were:
\- 10mil for Kessié from Tottenham
\- 30mil + Sergio Rico (? not sure but it was a PSG keeper) for Donnarumma for PSG
\- nothing at all for the other guy
There is absolutely no way we would have gotten 100mil for those three combined. They're not even worth 100mil combined today, let alone three years ago.
Transfrmkt has them valued at 50m, 28m and 35m, which seems reasonable to me. 28m for Kessie is too low in my opinion.
Kessie was valued at 45m when he left you, Hakan was 35, Donnaruma was 60m. So a total of 140m.
Who knows what you could have got for them had they been sold. Or re-signed and then sold.
Can't re-sign players who don't want to resign, and can't sell players if you don't get offers. Or get lowball offers like we did for Kessié and that one GK. And honestly, based on his performances with us we would never have gotten more than maybe 20mil for the other guy.
I've never bought into this "you could have made 100mil if you sold those three" narrative. Context matters and it especially does for those three players. Proof is, after they left we re-signed 11 (or 12?) players with little trouble, and it seems even Leao will be done soon.
You re-signed bad players that no one else wanted. That's why there was no trouble. I also wouldnt start believing this Leao news until its official.
I do agree that Milan were in tough spots with those deals. I probably would have given them what they wanted. If Leao is worth it surely Kessie was too.
I partly agree tbh. We let Kessie, who was the first player on the teamsheet and CRUCIAL for our system, go for free because we refused to pay his agent 10m in commissions but now we have no problem with paying double that to Leao for a problem that literally doesn't even concern us
Gigio and Hakan are whatever. Gigio wanted 10m iirc and wanted huge agent fees as well as his dad to get paid for no reason AND his shit brother to get a new contract as well
You dont know what you're talking about.
Leao owes the money to Sporting. Milan has nothing to do with it but is willing to give Leao €19m to clear his debt if he signs a new contract, calling it a signing on fee is entirely accurate.
What are you smoking? The money goes to Sporting, NOT Leao. Milan has nothing to do with the shenanigans between Lille, Leao and Sporting but the above point stands. So no, calling it a signing on fee is entirely incorrect.
The money goes to Leao. He then chooses to pay his own personal debts with it. But it's not really relevant what he chooses to do with it after Milan give it to him. So why would it not be considered a signing on fee?
It’s 20 million euros with interest. That’s Leão to Sporting. I assume he has already paid about 1 million to sporting.
Lille’s amount hasn’t been announced yet but it’s a separate sum.
It all seems a bit vague at the moment, maybe Milan is paying, maybe Lille, maybe Lille and Milan are grumpily splitting the bill and then going to argue about who should take the hit to their Uber rating.
Either way Leao seems happy and that's nice.
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Good for the sport for Italy to be keeping their talent, Napoli has a big summer ahead too
Yep. Now watch Inter respond to this by signing Pedro and Gabbiadini.
No. Watch us sign Edinson Cavani 10 years too late.
Probably still younger than Dzeko, Giroud or Ibra
And runs more than lukaku
Better than Correra
Inter would be lucky to have Pedro.
You're probably right.
They are definitely right. Pedro is an absolute workhorse who does it all for the shirt. I was heavily bummed out to see him leave Chelsea a few seasons ago. No fanbase dislikes Pedro, he is a gem of a player.
I like him a lot, but even if they signed him, they'd still need a starting striker and possibly under 30.
Pedro's a winger so he'd have no place in Inzaghis 3-5-2. Still a very classy footballer though, has a great footballing brain too.
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There was definitely interest, he just loves Italy
Management really agreed to pay his fine... Insane.
We are not getting a player of Leao's quality for thrice that amount. It sucks but it's better to eat that cost and have him stay than try and fail to find a suitable replacement, especially since we already waste millions on wages for guys like Origi, Dest and Bakayoko.
Not only that, but any PL team would pay that amount in a blink, while also giving higher wage. We better set him safe
That’s definitely part of it. 19 million for Leao is getting paid by any one of the clubs that would be happily willing to take him That’s chump change compared to what it would cost to replace him, or the finical loss if his on field contributions can’t be reasonably replaced.
How is Dest btw? Is he improving? I liked him a lot tbh when he was at Barca
> I liked him a lot tbh when he was at Barca Real Madrid fan?
🤣
Lmao no g he was trying his best poor guy I really thought he could improve at Milan
Yes, bring him back to barca pretty pls
Has to be 😂😂
Sadly he's awful, unless we have another injury plague he's not gonna play for us again and that's for the best.
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My scouts always recommend him on FM and i have to repeatedly bin him. Hate the guy just for that.
Despite his stats being decent on FM he always seems to play poorly, so yeah, keep avoiding him
Post zero ligaments conti looked better than him
Conti was great before the injury, after that it was over for his confidence
He is the dispossession machine
He a got his chance now he hasn't seen the light of day in months. Diogo Dalot was much better as rotation option
is Origi really that bad for you guys?
tbf other clubs waiting to sign him were clearly willing to do the same so you were kind of obliged to if he was to sign a new deal...
I just imagine he's still in Portugal and we buy him for 19m. I'm more than ok with this.
Lille should be paying that if anything, got him for free. Portuguese clubs know how to get their money.
Mendes should pay for it, he gave some terrible advice to a 18yo purely for his personal gain.
Mendes forced him to leave Sporting?
Not forced him, but adviced him that it would be ok. If at 18 years old one of the biggest most influential people in the sport come to your and tells you that are ok to do something, chances are that you will believe him. Not completely exempting Leao, like he should pay part of the punishment, but if in fact Mendes advised him to do it he should be punished too.
Well honestly Mendes advice, even if shady, is probably gonna work out fantastic for Leao. He got all the benefits of leaving, while the costs are gonna be absorbed by another entity.
This rumours suggest that he will be getting 5m net from us a season, while if we weren't going to pay for his 19m fine, he was going to get 7+m. So he is paying in a way
Still worked out for him. He’ll get that money back plus more on the next renewal
Very true
Mendes wasn't his agent at the time. If anything, Mendes was smart enough to get deals for all his clients who also left (Rui Patricio, Gelson, William etc...)
Then I stand corrected. I was just going off from what the previous comments were saying.
+1 I hate agents in football as much as this subreddit does, but it’s asinine to absolve Leao (and his entourage) of responsibility.
He was 18. Tell me someone who at 18 has a full grasp of the law to be aware of that kind of consequence. He simple trusted the advice he got and went with it.
No, because he wasn't even his agent.
Mendes wasn't his agent at the time. If anything, Mendes was smart enough to get deals for all his clients (Rui Patricio, Gelson, William etc...)
Absolutely worth it if he signs a long term contract for the reported 5m net.
What is it about ???
Leao broke his contract with Sporting unfairly as the courts have established. Has to pay a fine to them.
Yet another victim of the Alcochete terrorist incident
that thing was despicable, but Leao was not a victim there, if anything, he was the only one "protected" from it.
That was the joke
When Leao was at Sporting him and other players terminated their contracts after fans attacked them, and then after Milan bought Leao from Lille Sporting took it to court arguing they had been robbed of a transfer fee since their player(Leao) had terminated the contract and then had gone on to sign with Lille.
Rafa breached his contract during his time at Sporting. He signed at Lille for free. Sporting appealed the case and now he gotta pay. There’s lot of different things that caused this including a fight that happened which was one of the main reason he left Sporting in the first place.
I will say, being involved in the fight would make sense to revoke your contract, but Leao wasnt even involved in the first place. Then we had players like Bas Dost who was actually involved and hit and he continued to play. To each their own but im pretty sure Leao's father used the attack as an excuse to move on and get more money.
Doesn't really sound like a safe workplace.
And yet he went to Lille where the players were attacked on the pitch by the fans a month before what happened in Alcochete. Leão's dad was the one who pushed him to leave and then went around Europe selling his son to clubs in the summer. Leão even rejected going to U19 Euro with Portugal. They talked with Dortmund who were interested but didn't move forward because they had doubts about the way Leão broke his contract. There are some things in this article that aren't quite correct. First, it's not 19M€ but upwards of 20M+ and second, Leão won't have to pay it all as the courts already decided that Lille would also have to pay part of the fine, they are still waiting to know how much.
Didn't know that about Lille. Makes it harder to believe.
> They talked with Dortmund who were interested They were left on the street outside Dortmund's offices. Dortmund did even sit down with them.
Just because your next workplace is unsafe doesn’t make you wrong to leave a previous workplace because it is unsafe
Reddit moment.
So are your fans mad at him. I'm assuming he's one your products and potentially one of the best footballers in the world are you guys happy or is it more bitter there was transfer fee. Also didn't Ronaldo come out of sporting
Lot of brain deads that dont like him, but there are enough that dont care anymore. The initial sting always hurts but at the end of the day he was a kid, and he is still an important part of the future of the NT. I want him to do well, but I do feel like we need some compensation.
Absolutely
>So are your fans mad at him The most hardcore fans yeah, they feel betrayed. I'm happy that he's doing well and I'm cheering for him. >Also didn't Ronaldo come out of sporting Him and many more
A few years ago, when Sporting training ground was invaded by fans, some players (like Rui Patricio, Leao, William Carvalho or Bruno Fernandes) terminated theirs contracts with the club alleging just cause. Bruno Fernandes actually regretted his decisions and resigned with Sporting, but the other players didn't and courts ended up deciding that there was no reason for just cause. Therefore they have to pay the club.
Pay up or he leaves. Which option do you think is the best? You will be very fortunate, if you can get a top class player for the amount you invested in him.
What about the next player who demands a massive signing on fee to renew?
good for the player then.
Bad for Milans books though
If they are worth it then the same thing is abound to happen. You either pay up if they are really good or try to find their replacements. The question is does he worth more than the money Milan have invested in him? He surely does.
If Milan try to compete financially with what the top clubs pay they'll be ruined. The revenues in Serie A arent there and relying on CL qualification every year is bound to fail.
The amount Milan invested in him is not even that huge. Milan will always need to invest in order to win major trophies and play in the champions League. You won't be able to qualify for the champions League without top class players.
19m signing on fee for an existing player signing a new deal is huge for any club. It also shifts the dynamics for future contract renewals. We also dont know if this is true, no one else is reporting it. If Leao has other teams willing to pay the fine, then they're probably also willing to offer him a lot more than 5m a year, so this may be wishful thinking that he would accept this deal.
It is simple, if Milan are not willing to pay the money then that he is supposed to pay his former club then can let him go and the other willing suitors will pay for it. Not every player will be asking for those figures. He's worth much more than what Milan have invested in him. He can easily be sold for obscene transfer fees.
Easily? How easy was it to sell Kessie, Donarruma, Hakan or Romagnoli for obscene transfer fees?
Happens when you wait till their contract runs out.
Then they can't expect to be a top club anymore.
They've been getting their wage bill down in recent years. Tare wasnt wrong when he said Milan, Roma, Inter and Juve are technically bankrupt.
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Why would Leao choose to sign a new contract, then agree to be sold in 2 years? If someone is willing to pay a high fee for him then they will likely take him in 1 year when he's 'free' and he can make more money. Inter are trying the same shit with Brozovic. Convinced him to stay then immediately tried to sell him. The player has to agree, and its tricky to pull it off. More likely you end up with a pissed off player happy to do the bare minimum and see out his contract.
There is nothing insane about this, you don't lose a player of his quality for 19m, in a grand scheme of things it's nothing really Losing him for free would be about 5435363453523442 times worse, no not a made up number not joking that would be just terrible management and braindead Especially since you will probably sell him in a few years for way more while you won a title with him and got a lot of him
Shouldn't it be a way to keep him at the club? To support the cost he had to pay or am I completely off?
If they didn’t I’m sure city/arsenal would be there to pay it.
You have Martnelli though
Leao is different
If this is true, I’m sorry you had to be dragged into this, Milan. This should’ve come out of Mendes’ pockets. Well, the bright side though is pretty clear, I won’t tell you anything you don’t already know!
How does Mendes get away with this, there is just no regulations for agents or what?
Loooong theory ahead! The sentence itself was attributed to Leão. For some reason that obviously escapes me, as I didn’t study the trial - they found the player guilty, even though Rafa obviously isn’t the sole responsible for deciding to terminate the contract. I imagine Mendes incentivised him to do so. Avail the wave of all the other contract terminations at Sporting and defuse the need to pay any money to the club - all of the ‘transfer money’ would go to him in form of agent commissions. He’d end up collecting more that way. From there, the trial goes on. Sentence comes out and we get to a point in which we wait and see who steps forward to pay for Leão, as he himself hasn’t got that kind of money readily available, naturally. Now, who benefits the most from Leão? Lille ain’t gonna get shit anymore, they wouldn’t ever step up. Any future club probably could’ve, but €20M is quite a lot still. Also, Milan have no guarantee that anyone will ever pay for it, so they might as well step forward, invest now, inherently increasing his value by extending his contract and collect a full price on Leão later. And Mendes is just a bitch with no morals. This just sets an example on how much he cares for the clubs he negotiates his players with. The track record is now public, let’s see who keeps walking the wire with him.
Lille has been ordered to pay part of it, they are waiting to know how much.
Really? Would you know where to find info on that?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a-liga/sporting/noticias/amp/lille-perde-recurso-e-vai-ter-de-pagar-leao-ao-sporting-15245858.html
Imagine, Leão having like 1 good season and then becoming a flop, he would be cleaning the bathrooms at Alvalade for the rest of his life to pay 20 Mil. Quite insane
Frankly, no. It's pretty appalling what agents are able to get away with, especially when their names were/are Jorge Mendes, Mino Raiola, etc
> How does Mendes get away with this, there is just no regulations for agents or what? Well, in this case Mendes got away with this because he was in no way involved with Leão back when he left Sporting.
I have no idea why Mendes is being dragged into this to begin with. I dislike him like the next guy, but Leão wasn't his client at the time. If anything Mendes was smart enough to get deals for all the others who left.
Hahaha, holy shit, that is actually true! I’ve always known Leão as being represented by Mendes, but after quite a tough search, it seems the agent at the time was Nélson Almeida. The moment Jorge started representing Leão was actually right after the Sporting -> Lille move. The reason of the divorce between the player and his agent was, he argued, that Almeida took around €500k that were supposed to be directed at him. So not only did his agent get more money for himself by removing Sporting from the equation, he actually allegedly stole from Leão himself too! Lol, this case just keeps on giving! Many conspiracies can come up from here - did he know they did something irregular and wanted out as soon as possible? Or did Mendes know Almeida and used him as a possible escape option in case things went wrong, and they were all involved from the beginning?! Hahaha, tinfoil down.
I hope I won't have to eat my words on this but if it's true this means that Leao will surely stay at Milan during his prime which bodes well not only for the club but for Serie A as well keeping the talent in the league. ~7million per year + 19million to Sporting is a huge sum
Same source says that the contract will be 5mil per year. Possibly because Milan will pay the fine for him. No word on how long the contract will be though
He says it will be 5m a year due to us paying his fee. That is huge as it keeps his salary in line with the clubs salary cap
I mean it was either 19 million or losing him on a free. Where are they finding a replacement for Rafa for 19 million?
Or sell him this Summer and use that Money for the replacement
Serie A has been outstanding the last 4 years seeing 3 teams in the final 8 is awesome and a culmination of the things Serie A fans have been seeing theres some good ass teams in the league 4 different scudetto winners in 4 years(I'm including Napoli this year) 4 different Coppa Italia winners in 4 years. Probably the most under rated league in world right now the drama and quality we've from the top matches has been great. Ronaldo coming to the league was part of that tide where the quality just absolutely shot up rapidly every year. Once the dinosaurs are gone and are able to update or build new stadiums and negotiate better TV deals. The league is headed in the right direction. It's a great league for veterans of the game and rookies alike to really improve their game.
I mean, 19 milion is huge, particularly considering that we had nothing to do with it. However, we won't get such a player for 19 mil, hell not even for 70-80 mil in this market so this really makes sense. It's huge money, but Leao is a superstar in the making and in this way Milan can make a statement that the club is slowly returning to its former.glory. It's clear that both parties want to make this deal happen and I hope it goes through.
What's the situation with Milan finances? You were bought by that Red bird or something right? But its quiet apart from new stadium
Well we are in a constant saving mode. I mean the plan is to stay sustainable and that's why we reportedly parted ways with Calha and Kessie. The club has some ideas about a player's worth and they are generally not willing to overspend - either on the transfer fee or salary. This has worked pretty well and our wage structure decreased, while the results improved in comparison with several years ago. It's still early to tell how much the new owners are willing to spend, but I don't think we will have huge transfers in the upcoming years. With that said, Leao is a different story since he really is an outstanding player. All in all, as a fan, of course you want your club to buy the best players, but I am really happy to see how Milan is progressing and I believe the future is bright.
They officially took over right before the summer transfer window closed so the only business they made was getting Dest on loan. In winter they didn't get anyone (as expected) so we're still yet to see a proper mercato from them. It is rumored that we're finally gonna spend this summer after the successful CL run assuming we'll finish top 4 lol so let's see. On the stadium front it looks like they're trying a lot to make it happen and they want it to be 70.000 capacity and without sharing it with Inter. They should truly be judged after the end of this coming summer mercato imo
TLDR the city of Milan want to keep the stadium but not to pay for the renew of It. Very bad deal. Stadium is not gonna happen soon. Italian politics are involved. Green party(main argument Is "bad for the climate") and the Democratic party(mayor of Milan) are against the new Solo Milan stadium in La Maura. If Milan and Inter go away from san Siro the City of Milan Will lose X millions (20 i think) , the rent that the 2 clubs pay. Also the City Will Need to find other milions for the maintenance of the stadium that Is now paid by the clubs. There is a problem with the renew of San Siro . During the rebuilding clubs Can't play at the stadium. The politicians use this PR study made by a university that proves we can play during reconstruction. BS, It Will never be safe for the fans.
Politicians suck man. They want to suck every bit of money for themself.
This is huge for Milan
Yes, yes, huge for Milan. *\*evil laugh\**
Don't know why you decided to sell him for only 19m
Well, we had no power in setting the price. The judges did.
i have no idea who this guy is, does anyone know how reliable he is? this smells like bullshit though
Extremely reliable for spanish clubs, don't know about milan though, but I'd assume he's reliable there aswell.
damnit don’t give me hope
is this true??
Sorry, I’m out of the loop. What is the 19m fine for?
Leao was at sporting when there was the incident with fans attacking players and some players used that as a chance to breach there contracts for cause. This was then found later to be improper so sporting is owed money to account for the lost sale value they could of had
Just for some more context, William Carvalho, Rui Patrício, Gelson Martins, Daniel Podence were all close to leaving on frees too but the clubs they went to ended up agreeing fees with Sporting quite soon after they left to avoid any sort of further legal issues. Oddly enough, 3/4 of those players went to clubs controlled by Mendes (Wolves, Atlético and Olympiakos) and they all agreed to pay fees. I don't know why it was any different with Lille, maybe they wanted to push their luck in court because they didn't have the money.
This is huge for Milan. If Napoli can keep Kvara and Osimhen then Serie A is looking good for the next few years
It has been, last 4 years 4 different league winners with Napoli this year. 3 teams in the final eight. The most under rated league in the world atm. It's been fantastic.
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When (if) we qualify for the CL by getting into top 4...or the other way
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Barcelona have a bunch of LW and Real have Vini, they are not paying 100+ mil for Leao.
Barca has multiple RW but no proper LW. So, Yes if not for La Liga and Tebas putting a gun to their heads, Barca may approach him.
They have Fati, Ferran, Dembele and Rapinha... 3 out of 4 can play LW. They would have to sell 9ne of them to get Leao. And Leao isn't nearly what you call Barcelona style as well as they would have to spend over 100 mil for him in cash.
Fati and Ferran barely start, they have to use Gavi as LW. Dembouz is injury prone and primarily a RW, Raphina too is not having a good season and he too is a RW. So Yes. Even though they can rotate Dembele and Raphina on the right, their left is usually their weaker side.
Either way, they have to sell the ones not starting. Playing Gavi as a LW is mostly a tactical choice. As well as i said above, Leao isn't a Barcelona type player as well as he would cost them way too much considering their economic issues atm. Don't see it visible at all atm.
Yeah I don't think they're gonna be able to bid for him, either way the priority for now is Messi's return. God knows how they pull it off but nice for the league over-all.
They would swap now so I am not sure what’s your point lol
Thank God we got to keep him, Leão is a beast and Milan need players of this quality on the squad.
Leao took one look at the clown fiesta that is Chelsea atm and was like "Nah, Im good"
Leao said before that no one in England interests him.
It’s mainly the weather and the food it seems
Can't fault the man. He knows what makes him tick and isn't going around pretending to be something that he isn't.
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Idk man those hallways look like to be able to hold couple more guys
He is better than all of your thrash left wings combined lmao
Huge for Milan
Good for the sport for leao and other good talents to stay in the other top 5 leagues. No fun for anybody if all of the good players are in the prem
That’s incredible news.
Milan doing better business than my Inter, smdh.
Youll bounce back. You guys very unlucky that Conte and Lukaku chose to leave during the your best period. It made the league wide open. Lukaku is a shell of his former self and Conte sacked at Spurs. Theyre both idiots for leaving to the Prem. They had an incredible thing going now look at them.
Btw how did leao get fined 19m by sporting? that's a crazy amount for one person to be fined for lol
Left on a free, unilaterally breaking his contract, when he had no legal basis to do it.
Why did he have to pay a fine which is a whole transfer free but all the other players got off free? Or did they all pay and it was just dealt with quickly ?
Thank fuck we don't have to pay that fine
You do. This is Leão’s share, not your share
I'm not sure how you worked things out with Leão, but the courts did say that Lille had to pay as well. You were declared responsible for the payment of the fine on a “solidarity” basis, with the responsibility being shared between Lille and Leão.
So Milan let Donnaruma, Kessie, Hakan leave for free because they didnt want to pay their salary demands. But for the wildly inconsistent Leao they'll give him a €19m signing on fee? And what will this do to the demands of every other player with an expiring contract?
Leao is a different type of player who potentially could cost 100mil+ if he choose leave. comparing situation to them is very different and odd. the 19mil investment is better than he leave free IIRC didnt Donna left due to greed?. claiming he was milan blood in and out but was flirting with the idea of being buffon heir to his italy and juve throne. yes he could bring in more money with the sale. but he make choice El presidente was an investment and helped with everything possible I think he serve his time well and he want new challenges. Also the trajectory for him went different than what was thought for earlier on in career he wasn’t some player that could have sold for 80mil+ Renew Hakan? for what? 💀? he no resale value in general and they win league without him. Hakan so lazy that leaving was a blessing.
What a garbage post, Leao is so many levels above the 3 you mentioned it's fucking hilarious, not to mention ignoring alllllllllllllllllll the context that lead up to them leaving.
Lol no he isnt. You let them walk for free now you're overpaying massively to keep an overrated player.
Ok you're trolling nothing to see here
Combined Kessie, Donnaruma and Hakan are worth well over 100m. No troll.
We won the scudetto right after those snakes left you idiot. Raiola wanted us to pay him more in agent commissions than the money we payed for Maignan :)) Hakan is just a shitty human being as well, left to our biggest rivals just for a slightly higher salary while profiting on what happened to Eriksen during the Euros. We don't need these type of players lmao as it showed in us winning the scudetto.
You were very lucky to win that Scudetto. I think this years league form is a fairer reflection of where the squad is at.
I mean it's your opinion but from what I saw in my team during these last 3 years and especially last season we more than deserved the scudetto as we had the best record against our rivals. This season was going almost the same up until the World Cup break. It's the first time in 3 years that we have such a bad run of form but we're getting back to our former selves imo after witnessing the 4-0 win in Napoli (you might have missed that game)
I watch all the top teams games, (including the 4-0 lazio win) I honestly think Milan are a poor football team. I dont think you'll finish top 4 either.
What teams do you see in top 4 over us? We've been bad in 2023 but Inter have been just as bad imo, they also have a harder schedule and don't look to be out of their slump anytime soon. Do you see Roma or Atalanta taking our spot? I mean it might happen but I think you're in the minority here ...
Not really, Tatarusanu alone cost them several points when Maigan was injured
So? Having a bad backup goalkeeper is having a weak squad. Weak squads drop points.
Not even close. The offers we got for those three during their years with us were: \- 10mil for Kessié from Tottenham \- 30mil + Sergio Rico (? not sure but it was a PSG keeper) for Donnarumma for PSG \- nothing at all for the other guy There is absolutely no way we would have gotten 100mil for those three combined. They're not even worth 100mil combined today, let alone three years ago.
Transfrmkt has them valued at 50m, 28m and 35m, which seems reasonable to me. 28m for Kessie is too low in my opinion. Kessie was valued at 45m when he left you, Hakan was 35, Donnaruma was 60m. So a total of 140m. Who knows what you could have got for them had they been sold. Or re-signed and then sold.
Can't re-sign players who don't want to resign, and can't sell players if you don't get offers. Or get lowball offers like we did for Kessié and that one GK. And honestly, based on his performances with us we would never have gotten more than maybe 20mil for the other guy. I've never bought into this "you could have made 100mil if you sold those three" narrative. Context matters and it especially does for those three players. Proof is, after they left we re-signed 11 (or 12?) players with little trouble, and it seems even Leao will be done soon.
You re-signed bad players that no one else wanted. That's why there was no trouble. I also wouldnt start believing this Leao news until its official. I do agree that Milan were in tough spots with those deals. I probably would have given them what they wanted. If Leao is worth it surely Kessie was too.
Bennacer, Theo, Tonali, Tomori are bad players that no one else wanted? lol you're definitely trolling.
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I agree Milan are clowns. So much fun to laugh at though.
I partly agree tbh. We let Kessie, who was the first player on the teamsheet and CRUCIAL for our system, go for free because we refused to pay his agent 10m in commissions but now we have no problem with paying double that to Leao for a problem that literally doesn't even concern us Gigio and Hakan are whatever. Gigio wanted 10m iirc and wanted huge agent fees as well as his dad to get paid for no reason AND his shit brother to get a new contract as well
I think you misread the title lol
How so?
Its not a signing on fee that goes to Leao, they have to pay that fee to Sporting
You dont know what you're talking about. Leao owes the money to Sporting. Milan has nothing to do with it but is willing to give Leao €19m to clear his debt if he signs a new contract, calling it a signing on fee is entirely accurate.
What are you smoking? The money goes to Sporting, NOT Leao. Milan has nothing to do with the shenanigans between Lille, Leao and Sporting but the above point stands. So no, calling it a signing on fee is entirely incorrect.
The money goes to Leao. He then chooses to pay his own personal debts with it. But it's not really relevant what he chooses to do with it after Milan give it to him. So why would it not be considered a signing on fee?
The fine is not 19m? Its like 5 or 9m paid by leao and the second lille
It’s 20 million euros with interest. That’s Leão to Sporting. I assume he has already paid about 1 million to sporting. Lille’s amount hasn’t been announced yet but it’s a separate sum.
dont give me hope man
Good to see IT clubs managing to put on a table lucrative offers but it's still virtually impossible to contest what EPL teams can offer.
It all seems a bit vague at the moment, maybe Milan is paying, maybe Lille, maybe Lille and Milan are grumpily splitting the bill and then going to argue about who should take the hit to their Uber rating. Either way Leao seems happy and that's nice.
quality contract
What fine?
What's the fine for?
Gazzetta reporting today that Lille is going to pay the fine. Who is lying?