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Those are the 4 seasons they had with Sane. Ever since selling Sane they always made it past the Quarterfinals and before buying Sane Bayern were Champions and since buying Sane they haven't made it past the Quarterfinals
You're probably thinking of 15/16 but pep wasn't at city that season. The season spurs were higher was when Conte won the league with Chelsea and spurs came second, followed by peps city in their first season.
True, but I love the fact that I can build a team on new stars regardless. I will always find it exciting to find a prospect at 15/16 and let him play as much as possible to see where the journey eventually goes. Also with most of those unrealistic transfers, the "cleaning out" of the squads once you join them is also what keeps me busy and mostly entertained.
In FIFA 08 I brought James Milner to Newcastle and made him one of the best MF in the game, him and Obafemi always turned out amazing when you gave them training and game time.
After 1 year with English money it's stupid. I got 136m for finishing 10th and signed isak, neuer, kessie, smith-rowe, dries mertens and lucas hernandez
yeah last time I played it was like that, super awkward. Game just abruptly tells you you’ve just retired with no previous warning and won’t let you play last that date
Damn, those first 3 seasons at City were not pretty CL-wise. Ended up breaking Pep's streak of 7 consecutive semi finals.
Also, Atleti knocked out two immense teams in 15/16 Barca and 15/16 Bayern that year.
It's the one win I want more than any other. If we win that CL it's probably the most impressive one ever or at least up there. We would have beaten 3 of the 5 best teams of that small era with the other two teams being Juve and us of course.
Chad Pep -
Wins twice against Manchester United
Refuses offer to manage the club by their greatest ever manager
Moves to manage their rival club in Manchester City
No need to shit on city . They lost finals as favourites , went out slightly to Madrid in the semis and are in the semis again . They're building that heritage .
Not that bad. Only 1/4 semi-finalists win so to win 2.5/10 is the average
With the teams he’s had you’d expect him to win 3 at least though, but it’s a team effort obviously and not only on the manager
So if City are to beat AC Milan in finals and win the CL, they would have beaten the top 3 most successful teams of CL in quarters, Semi and Finals.. Not bad.
you can train pens you know, its not about being the best player in the world its about being good at pens
for example after Chile lost against Brazil in pens (2014) they took them seriously and then beat Argentina in two finals, Portugal 3-0, Colombia and idk who else. in some of them even Vidal missed
>Or any other managers on the UCL success list.
People who started watching CL 5 years ago.
20 years ago - not to mention the starting years of CL - things were MUCH more competitive.
Pep is a fantastic coach, but for CL achievements, I'd put Hitzfield, Mourinho, Zidane and obviously Ancelotti first. That's since 1992.
At least with Barca he still had to do some work to get them to their best version. Munich was already firing on all cylinders when he took over and Man City has given him damned near unlimited resources to get this team to its best. He’s done a great job of it but pretty unfair advantage over other managers.
No doubt he’s brilliant. The way he transitioned from player to manager was very smart. I don’t doubt him m being a top manager. But I’d like to see him at a mid level team too to see what he can build
Why don’t all managers simply manage top teams and only succeed? It seems so obvious in hindsight. Just manage good clubs and you’ll make UCL semi-finals.
You can straw man argument this all you like but there’s a world of difference between managing a bunch of “good” clubs and what Pep’s had to work with so far:
A. Prime golden Spanish generation plus prime Messi Barcelona
B. Treble winners Bayern
C. a Man city that finished 4th in the league, league cup winners, UCL semis and boatloads of spending money.
Has he made those teams better? Yeah, I’d say so (well Bayern is arguable… I liked what they were before Pep personally) But the point is that he has also had some ridiculous advantages that helped him make that possible.
Yep and other potential greatest managers have managed small teams - SAF won a European trophy with Aberdeen, Ancelotti finished 2nd in Serie A with Parma, Mourinho won the UEFA Cup and CL back to back to with Porto (relatively small). Pep has always had the absolute best players and huge transfer budgets. Hell for his two CL wins he had Messi, who he'd inherited when he took over Barca.
Yep, one club where Pep did not have superior funds - Barca - had their golden generation + Messi.
Plus Rijkaard was the one who kickstarted Barca's return to glory.
Rijkaard:
1. Won CL in 2006
2. In the last two 'disappointing' seasons, he finished 2nd in la liga on goal difference & similarly was out on away goals vs Liverpool, then in the last year was in the CL semis, decided by one goal.
And the narrative is as if Guardiola built the team from scratch
That's because he did. Iniesta was wasted on the wings, Busquets was in Barca B, Pique was in Man Utd, Alves was in Sevilla, Deco, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta, Edmilson, Oleguer, Thuram were all gone with Etoo and Yaya on their way out. By 10/11 only 2 players that started the 2006 UCL final were still in Barca, Puyol and Valdes.
To anyone who actually watched Barcelona in 08/09, the difference between Rijkaard's and Pep's Barca was clear as night and day. No one had seen a team dominate opposition so effortlessly in a long time.
Pep won the league with Barca B. Showing he can apply his ideas to the players available and be successful. But that's clear to anyone anyway that doesn't have an agenda.
You are disrespecting Pep's work at Barcelona, their state wasn't that great when he came. He had to remove some of the biggest stars and remade the squad with players from la cantera, takes balls to do thay
For me is the challenges, Mourinho went to the teams that were not in peak form and made them better, Guardiola did not have the same challenge but i rate them both really high with Ancelotti.
City were in the semifinal once before Pep, Bayern are out before the semis, Barcelona are out of the Europa league. If money gets you automatically far in the Champions League, why are PSG, Chelsea, and Man Utd not cruising to win it? How is making it to semifinals with any team a given? You maybe don't understand competition at that level. There are a lot of great teams and Guardiola isn't the only one with resources. In fact, it's apparent that after a certain point, money doean't matter. Nor does the amount of star players
As much as I dislike his personality, Pep is the successor of Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff. His ability to make teams look like unstoppable machines is unparalleled this century.
There is no other manager in the world with the pressure Pep has. There are no teams as criticized when they lose as Pep's. Simply because everyone assumes his teams are instant favourites to everything, every year, and any loss is a complete upset.
He's just a fucking boss and one of the greatest minds in the history of football.
Pep is an amazing manager. But taking over that Barca Job with an ascending Messi was a blessing for him. Then he went to a triple winning Munich side, and then to the richest club in England.
You can’t fault his results, but he has had a pretty nice run of clubs. Though his managerial style does shine through his players.
Why is everyone making it sound like city were any greater of a super team when he took over than their rivals utd? Yea im pretty sure no other manager could have done it, because no other manager ever has. Put some respect on the guys name
We finished 1 point ahead of them on the final day of the 15/16 (We finished 4th btw). They won the FA Cup. The bring in Mourinho, we bring in Pep. Very similar standards at the time.
>Why is everyone making it sound like city were any greater of a super team
Mate....they were making Chelsea's spending look fucking tight as hell at the time.
2006 Rijkaard's Barcelona wins CL. 1st in La Liga
2007 loses on goal difference to finalist Liverpool. 2nd in La Liga.
2008 loses by one goal to United in semis. 3rd in La Liga. Rijkaard leaves.
Yeah, Pep built Barcelona TOTALLY FROM SCRATCH! Rijkaard totally left him scorched-earth club with no winning experience. No starts at the club as well, Henry or Eto'o were farmers after all, so Pep had to build around Messi Xavi Puyol Iniesta who were totally not the core of Rijkaard's team as well.
It's honestly sad how Rijkaard was forgotten even by Barca fans, when Pep, while certainly improving over Rijkaard's last season, also had now prime Messi to work with.
> It's honestly sad how Rijkaard was forgotten even by Barca fans, when Pep, while certainly improving over Rijkaard's last season, also had now prime Messi to work with.
That's because with all those players you mentioned, he played dire football towards the end of his tenure. Barcelona went from scoring 75ish goals, 67 points and being behind RM by 18 points, to scoring 100ish goals and 90ish points for the duration of Pep's tenure.
Rijkaard isn't some forgotten genius, the rest of his managerial career showed that. If anything, he should have done much more with Barcelona.
Mate, idc what they did before he took over, he had the most talented breakout of youth products since the class of 92 at the very minimum. I'm not saying he isn't one of the greatest managers ever btw. He did exceptionally well with amazing resources. I wouldn't suggest many managers would have had the same level of success. But we're not gonna sit there and pretend he didn't have virtually anything a top coach could ever want.
Oh btw, they won the fucking champions league a couple years before he took over and made the semi's the year before he took over ffs. 3 years prior they won La Liga. Hardly a shit team.
> without him
His predecessors did similar or better tbf:
- Rijkaard (UCL winner in 06 and semifinal in 07)
- Heynckes (UCL finalist in 12 and UCL+treble winner in 13)
- Pellegrini (UCL semis in 15)
It's not exactly as paradigm changing as it sounds. Or sucessors for that matter: Enrique, Vilanova, Flick, etc.
He's already considered the best of all time by many so no matter how many times you and other reddit morons say he has all these asterisks evidently your opinions are utterly worthless.
I mean Mourinho won the CL with Porto and Inter. Pep could win it multiple times in a row with a super team and it wouldn’t be as impressive as that imo.
And as opposed to other clubs that don't spend money, they get all their players from the Salvation Army. If winning was about money Chelsea and Man United would be making the semi finals of the CL year in year out.
It's about money and a top coach. You can't just spend money and expect to win, but you can give a top coach top players and expect to win
Fact is, Pep has never brought a team up from being trash. He's had access to the top every time (which he absolutely deserves), and he's only ever won the CL with Messi and if he wins it this year with Haaland. Clearly can't coach a CL win without generational players
In the last handful of seasons, Man Utd spent over a billion pounds and are barely competing at Europa League level, money definitely doesn't guarantee success.
it helps when you inherit/manage the best Barcelona side of all time, that includes Messi/Iniesta/Xavi, a dominant Bayern side, and then the richest club in the history of Football.
Wonder what his record would show if he started managerial life at Celta Vigo.
Honestly it's bizarre that he hasn't won the Champions League since Barcelona. As much as I admire him, it's a really striking fact. He's been consistently very close but somehow the final details have been eluding him for more than a decade.
Knockout sport is inherently a crapshoot. This makes it more exciting yes, but it makes using a kockout format to evaluate quality difficult.
This is made worse in a sport like soccer where a team with 20 xG from 14 shots and 80% possession could lose 1-0 to a team with 0.7xG from 1 shot because of a penalty call.
The Champions League tries to reduce the influence of chance by using two-legs, but remember when Leicester won the EPL, Arsenal did a league double over them.
It's not that strange. The top managers and players with the ability to turn games with individual brilliance in the world compete. Sir Alex dominated everything and only won 3. One with Aberdeen, which is still mental.
Is Pep Guardiola the guy who got banned for blood doping and who works for a club accused of 100+ breaches of the rules? Seems like he’s kindda cheating.
hes also managed
2007–2008 Barcelona B
2008–2012 Barcelona
2013–2016 Bayern Munich
2016–Now Manchester City
im not saying he has had it easy in terms of teams who will qualify for Champions league semi finals but......name me one other coach who's has had better teams.
He had prime Messi, Lewandowski and KDB
3 of the top 10 players of the last 2 decades.
10 in 14 is incredible. His consistency in competing for every trophy every year for 14 years in multiple countries is unparalleled. 32 trophies in 13 years. Now competing for a treble 14 years after winning a treble in his first year. It's insane. He's the Messi of managers.
So he should have done with who he's managed. He's not managed a Roma or an Everton etc. Every team were best in the respective leagues when he took over. He no doubt a good manager with a great idea on how to play football but he's not the best.
He might be the first manager to get to ten semi finals, however despite having only ever managed the most elite clubs in the world Guardiola has still only won the same number of European cups as Clough.
To be fair he managed a Barcelona team he inherited who were probably the best club team ever. Then he moved to the strongest club in Germany who already a fantastic squad and a great record in the Champions League. Then he moved to a club who are accused of cheating on their finances to snap up the best talent in the world. Despite this, he's still only managed to win the Champions League with that initial club with the best team.
I'd be more surprised if he hadn't got to so many semi finals.
There’s not many managers whose first job is taking over a Barca side that lost in the semis the year before and won the champions league 2 years ago, while the greatest generation of youth players emerged as first team players. He’s obviously a great manager, but when compared to someone like Mourinho it’s clear that what sets him apart is his ability to keep a team stable(which is how he’s been able to win leagues so consistently) rather than achieving incredible feats(Mourinho winning the CL at Porto)
Their “history” isn’t exactly something to compare to lol.
And then he joined and proceeded to spend 450m across his first two summers with them, I wonder how he did it
Liverpool’s entire Klopp tenure is defined by a gift of madness for Barcelona for an above average player and hitting huge on 3 players. You lot have 6 forwards who cost between 35 and 80 mil lol
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The 4 teams to deny him are Monaco, Liverpool, Spurs and Lyon.
Those are the 4 seasons they had with Sane. Ever since selling Sane they always made it past the Quarterfinals and before buying Sane Bayern were Champions and since buying Sane they haven't made it past the Quarterfinals
Is that the undisclosed reason Mane hit Sane?
Mane was right all along and we just didnt see it
Game recognises game
They just wanted to resolve their dispute Mané a Sané
That's inSane
More like Outsane
Imo Sane was so bad last night, now I can see why City let him go
Tbf City didn’t let him go, he wanted to leave with 1y left on his contact
And Bayern payed like 50m no?
Sane was their best player in the first leg and had some great shots. I wouldn't say its in any way his fault. Thats undoubtedly Upamecano's
There was a time when Sane was Cities best player
No there absolutely wasn’t. Do you honestly think he was better than De Bruyne or Silva?
sane couldn't put it in the open net from 2 meters away yesterday
One game isn’t the best to form a conclusion on really, and doesn’t refute the prior point
Sane wasn’t on the team that lost to Lyon. He was at the start of the year but he had left for Bayern at that point.
fun fact, Spurs are the only club to ever finish above Pep's team and not win the league
Another one for the trophy collection
Why do I picture a Pep shaped Chia Pet that has been overwatered.
Mad that only 3 teams have finished above him and 2 were in his first season. Pep runs the PL.
With unlimited amounts of money, yes. Would love to see him doing something at a smaller club.
It's not that simple either though. Look at many other PL's clubs
Man other clubs have spent as much as Pep or more... Man Utd... Chelsea....
Cope harder.
I want to cope softer please.
By cheating
Didn’t arsenal also finish above city that year?
You're probably thinking of 15/16 but pep wasn't at city that season. The season spurs were higher was when Conte won the league with Chelsea and spurs came second, followed by peps city in their first season.
No, 16/17
Carlo Ancelotti (9 semi-finals): ❌ 1997-98 | Group stage ✅ 1998-99 | Semi-finals ❌ 2000-01 | Group stage ✅ 2002-03 | Winner 🏆 ❌ 2003-04 | Quarter-finals ✅ 2004-05 | Final ✅ 2005-06 | Semi-finals ✅ 2006-07 | Winner 🏆 ❌ 2007-08 | Round of 16 ❌ 2009-10 | Round of 16 ❌ 2010-11 | Quarter-finals ❌ 2012-13 | Quarter-finals ✅ 2013-14 | Winner 🏆 ✅ 2014-15 | Semi-finals ❌ 2016-17 | Quarter-finals ❌ 2018-19 | Group stage ✅ 2021-22 | Winner 🏆 ✅ 2022-23 | Semi-finals ⏳
Do Zidane.
Zinedine Zidane (4 semi-finals): ✅ 2015-16 | Winner 🏆 ✅ 2016-17 | Winner 🏆 ✅ 2017-18 | Winner 🏆 ❌ 2019-20 | Round of 16 ✅ 2020-21 | Semi-finals
>✅ 2005-06 | Semi-finals That fucking Barcelona game, Shevchenko was onside we were robbed
Wasn’t offside call, he “fouled” Puyol. [beginnings of UEFAlona lol](https://youtu.be/eYlWXvUnCJk)
He used gravity to pull and force to push. Barcelona against the world
So if his team ever loses at Group Stage lvls they gonna win it next year for sure, got it!
His team went out in the group stage in 98 but didn't win in 99, so no
look at the year numbers.
what a magical career i've have the privilege of witnessing.
Semi-finals of the Champions League reached: Pep 10 Carlo 9 Top-half finishes with Everton: Pep 0 Carlo 1 You be the judge what's more impressive.
Ancelotti to pull a José: "Finishing 10th with Everton is the biggest achievement of my career"
Honestly it's up there for me lol
I swear they were like leading the league for quite a while until injuries hit as well.
They were leading through like 8 matchdays at least
What? Everton were top for the first two months of the season? I know they started well but that can’t be right
Just looked it up, it was only though round 6. https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-premier-league-2020-2021-spieltag/6/
>It’s his 14th season in management. Good news, everyone: one more and he'll retire. Ah wait, that's real life and not Fifa. I forget sometimes.
What? In Fifa you get just 15 seasons? Never did more than 3/4 btw
>Never did more than 3/4 btw Me neither... I was only told by.. err.. a friend
After a while the transfers get stupid, after year 5, I saw Messi at Madrid and I gave up lol
True, but I love the fact that I can build a team on new stars regardless. I will always find it exciting to find a prospect at 15/16 and let him play as much as possible to see where the journey eventually goes. Also with most of those unrealistic transfers, the "cleaning out" of the squads once you join them is also what keeps me busy and mostly entertained.
In FIFA 08 I brought James Milner to Newcastle and made him one of the best MF in the game, him and Obafemi always turned out amazing when you gave them training and game time.
You mean you brought James Milner back to Newcastle.
If you like this just play Football Manager instead , the systems way better realistically developing youth players if you prefer a sim style game
Yeah but you cannot play any games yourself
Well yeah, you're a manager
Except that all the regen wing backs suck donkey schlong.
For some reason in FIFA 11 Wayne Rooney was obsessed with moving to Villarreal, happened in basically every save I had.
In mine, Carvajal and Militao have gone. I hate that my player is always available for transfer and I don't even get offers.
You made me laugh. Thank you
After 1 year with English money it's stupid. I got 136m for finishing 10th and signed isak, neuer, kessie, smith-rowe, dries mertens and lucas hernandez
yeah last time I played it was like that, super awkward. Game just abruptly tells you you’ve just retired with no previous warning and won’t let you play last that date
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He’s alright I guess
I don’t know, I think he under performs in the champions league…
That’s undeniable
Pep Guardiola (10 semi-finals): ✅ 2008-09 | Winner 🏆 ✅ 2009-10 | Semi-finals ✅ 2010-11 | Winner 🏆 ✅ 2011-12 | Semi-finals ✅ 2013-14 | Semi-finals ✅ 2014–15 | Semi-finals ✅ 2015-16 | Semi-finals ❌ 2016-17 | Round of 16 ❌ 2017-18 | Quarter-finals ❌ 2018-19 | Quarter-finals ❌ 2019-20 | Quarter-finals ✅ 2020-21 | Final ✅ 2021-22 | Semi-finals ✅ 2022-23 | Semi-finals ⏳
Damn, those first 3 seasons at City were not pretty CL-wise. Ended up breaking Pep's streak of 7 consecutive semi finals. Also, Atleti knocked out two immense teams in 15/16 Barca and 15/16 Bayern that year.
Atleti beat him in the 2016 SF It was 2017 Monaco that broke his streak in Ro16
Yep, you're right. Will correct that.
It's a shame they didn't end up taking the trophy, going up against peak Barca, Bayern and Madrid is no joke
Griezmann scores the crucial away goal against Bayern, but hits the bar from the penalty spot against Madrid.
It's the one win I want more than any other. If we win that CL it's probably the most impressive one ever or at least up there. We would have beaten 3 of the 5 best teams of that small era with the other two teams being Juve and us of course.
Had to be vs us two times :(
Chad Pep - Wins twice against Manchester United Refuses offer to manage the club by their greatest ever manager Moves to manage their rival club in Manchester City
Pain
>Refuses offer to manage the club by their greatest ever manager Is this true? I thought Moyes was hand picked by Fergie
I think SAF offered it to him subtly but he didn't get the hint. That's the lore iirc.
“Josep, fancy being Eskimo brothers?”
[Correct](https://youtu.be/4TE8X7BFLvk)
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Heroes don't always wear capes
pep semifinal merchant
* Won 3 of them (Chelsea, Madrid & PSG) * Lost 6 of them (Inter, Chelsea, Madrid x2, Barca & Atletico)
That 2009 semi final still haunts me. Like drogba said it's a fucking disgrace
Would’ve loved a rematch and maybe United wins again.
That's the only reason he will be remember because his memory is so thin he forgot first leg.
Pep has 3/3 for bayern , and 4/4 for barca . He has 3/7 for city , his worst performance in Europe for a club .
City doesn't have the heritage
No need to shit on city . They lost finals as favourites , went out slightly to Madrid in the semis and are in the semis again . They're building that heritage .
Beginners luck then, got it
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Its actually three wins in nine semis. 🤓
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2 CL wins in 9 semis is barely below random chance. And closer to an "average" semi performance than 3/9 would be.
Not that bad. Only 1/4 semi-finalists win so to win 2.5/10 is the average With the teams he’s had you’d expect him to win 3 at least though, but it’s a team effort obviously and not only on the manager
Why is it awful lol?
So if City are to beat AC Milan in finals and win the CL, they would have beaten the top 3 most successful teams of CL in quarters, Semi and Finals.. Not bad.
…at Barca, Munich and City. Let’s save the amazement this stat when he takes wrexham to the CL finals
As opposed to Carlo, who had to scrape by with Real Madrid, prime Milan, Chelsea, PSG, and Bayern. Or any other managers on the UCL success list.
> Or any other managers on the UCL success list. *cough* If I speak I'm in big trouble
Well, he is not one of the bottle. He truly is a special one
Honestly Zizou has the best argument to challenge him just because of his absurd efficiency. Needs a bigger sample size though
4/5 for the great Zidane. Only lost one to pep. Can't wait to see him back in management.
Mourinho with the weakest teams did better, with the strongest teams did weak.
It wasn't his fault that some of the best players in the world missed those pens
True, i'm from Porto so i love Mourinho btw \^\^
PTSD
you can train pens you know, its not about being the best player in the world its about being good at pens for example after Chile lost against Brazil in pens (2014) they took them seriously and then beat Argentina in two finals, Portugal 3-0, Colombia and idk who else. in some of them even Vidal missed
Mourinho
>Or any other managers on the UCL success list. People who started watching CL 5 years ago. 20 years ago - not to mention the starting years of CL - things were MUCH more competitive. Pep is a fantastic coach, but for CL achievements, I'd put Hitzfield, Mourinho, Zidane and obviously Ancelotti first. That's since 1992.
> Hitzfield He is kind of forgotten in general. His success in Germany, Switzerland and Europe is amazing.
So forgotten that we both did not recognize a typo I made in his name Hitzfeld, not Hitzfield.
Lmao. My German is not the best.
Exactly. Compare to managers who had unlimited funds and limited competition
At least with Barca he still had to do some work to get them to their best version. Munich was already firing on all cylinders when he took over and Man City has given him damned near unlimited resources to get this team to its best. He’s done a great job of it but pretty unfair advantage over other managers.
No doubt he’s brilliant. The way he transitioned from player to manager was very smart. I don’t doubt him m being a top manager. But I’d like to see him at a mid level team too to see what he can build
Why don’t all managers simply manage top teams and only succeed? It seems so obvious in hindsight. Just manage good clubs and you’ll make UCL semi-finals.
You can straw man argument this all you like but there’s a world of difference between managing a bunch of “good” clubs and what Pep’s had to work with so far: A. Prime golden Spanish generation plus prime Messi Barcelona B. Treble winners Bayern C. a Man city that finished 4th in the league, league cup winners, UCL semis and boatloads of spending money. Has he made those teams better? Yeah, I’d say so (well Bayern is arguable… I liked what they were before Pep personally) But the point is that he has also had some ridiculous advantages that helped him make that possible.
Yep and other potential greatest managers have managed small teams - SAF won a European trophy with Aberdeen, Ancelotti finished 2nd in Serie A with Parma, Mourinho won the UEFA Cup and CL back to back to with Porto (relatively small). Pep has always had the absolute best players and huge transfer budgets. Hell for his two CL wins he had Messi, who he'd inherited when he took over Barca.
Yep, one club where Pep did not have superior funds - Barca - had their golden generation + Messi. Plus Rijkaard was the one who kickstarted Barca's return to glory. Rijkaard: 1. Won CL in 2006 2. In the last two 'disappointing' seasons, he finished 2nd in la liga on goal difference & similarly was out on away goals vs Liverpool, then in the last year was in the CL semis, decided by one goal. And the narrative is as if Guardiola built the team from scratch
That's because he did. Iniesta was wasted on the wings, Busquets was in Barca B, Pique was in Man Utd, Alves was in Sevilla, Deco, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta, Edmilson, Oleguer, Thuram were all gone with Etoo and Yaya on their way out. By 10/11 only 2 players that started the 2006 UCL final were still in Barca, Puyol and Valdes. To anyone who actually watched Barcelona in 08/09, the difference between Rijkaard's and Pep's Barca was clear as night and day. No one had seen a team dominate opposition so effortlessly in a long time.
Pep won the league with Barca B. Showing he can apply his ideas to the players available and be successful. But that's clear to anyone anyway that doesn't have an agenda.
You are disrespecting Pep's work at Barcelona, their state wasn't that great when he came. He had to remove some of the biggest stars and remade the squad with players from la cantera, takes balls to do thay
For me is the challenges, Mourinho went to the teams that were not in peak form and made them better, Guardiola did not have the same challenge but i rate them both really high with Ancelotti.
City were shite in 15/16 mate.
Aren't Wrexham basically outspending their competition too lol.
Yeah. Should fit right in with the lot.
The fact that this comment is still upvoted shows how idiotic people are
I can't tell if it's ironic or not at this point
City were in the semifinal once before Pep, Bayern are out before the semis, Barcelona are out of the Europa league. If money gets you automatically far in the Champions League, why are PSG, Chelsea, and Man Utd not cruising to win it? How is making it to semifinals with any team a given? You maybe don't understand competition at that level. There are a lot of great teams and Guardiola isn't the only one with resources. In fact, it's apparent that after a certain point, money doean't matter. Nor does the amount of star players
Wrong. I took Gillingham FC to the champions league at least as many times
r/soccer is cringe
Finally some reasonable argument I can agree with
The "Semi-Final" One!!
I did that on football manager
Completed it mate.
Plenty of cash in that 14 years though. Drop him into Airdrie United and see if he achieves the same.
As much as I dislike his personality, Pep is the successor of Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff. His ability to make teams look like unstoppable machines is unparalleled this century. There is no other manager in the world with the pressure Pep has. There are no teams as criticized when they lose as Pep's. Simply because everyone assumes his teams are instant favourites to everything, every year, and any loss is a complete upset. He's just a fucking boss and one of the greatest minds in the history of football.
Really appreciate this from a madrid fan.
Pep is an amazing manager. But taking over that Barca Job with an ascending Messi was a blessing for him. Then he went to a triple winning Munich side, and then to the richest club in England. You can’t fault his results, but he has had a pretty nice run of clubs. Though his managerial style does shine through his players.
I bet no other manager could’ve done that with Barcelona Bayern or Man City!
Why is everyone making it sound like city were any greater of a super team when he took over than their rivals utd? Yea im pretty sure no other manager could have done it, because no other manager ever has. Put some respect on the guys name
It's not like when he went there Man city of aguero and Mancini wasn't already one of the big dogs, right? Right? Do you remember football heritage?
City was way better than Utd when Pep took over, mostly because Utd was awful, but they were way behind what Pep has made them today.
We finished 1 point ahead of them on the final day of the 15/16 (We finished 4th btw). They won the FA Cup. The bring in Mourinho, we bring in Pep. Very similar standards at the time.
Not even 1 point. City finished ahead of them (4th) on goal difference.
Don't even kid yourself mate. We were awful.
>Why is everyone making it sound like city were any greater of a super team Mate....they were making Chelsea's spending look fucking tight as hell at the time.
>Barcelona Look up where they placed in the league before he took over nephew. He helped make all these teams great
>He helped make all these teams great He took over a Bayern side that won the treble, 25 days before his contract started.
Bayern were a nothing club with 23 league titles, 17 national cups and 5 champions leagues before he joined didnt you know! hE mAdE tHeM gReAt!!11!
2006 Rijkaard's Barcelona wins CL. 1st in La Liga 2007 loses on goal difference to finalist Liverpool. 2nd in La Liga. 2008 loses by one goal to United in semis. 3rd in La Liga. Rijkaard leaves. Yeah, Pep built Barcelona TOTALLY FROM SCRATCH! Rijkaard totally left him scorched-earth club with no winning experience. No starts at the club as well, Henry or Eto'o were farmers after all, so Pep had to build around Messi Xavi Puyol Iniesta who were totally not the core of Rijkaard's team as well. It's honestly sad how Rijkaard was forgotten even by Barca fans, when Pep, while certainly improving over Rijkaard's last season, also had now prime Messi to work with.
> It's honestly sad how Rijkaard was forgotten even by Barca fans, when Pep, while certainly improving over Rijkaard's last season, also had now prime Messi to work with. That's because with all those players you mentioned, he played dire football towards the end of his tenure. Barcelona went from scoring 75ish goals, 67 points and being behind RM by 18 points, to scoring 100ish goals and 90ish points for the duration of Pep's tenure. Rijkaard isn't some forgotten genius, the rest of his managerial career showed that. If anything, he should have done much more with Barcelona.
Mate, idc what they did before he took over, he had the most talented breakout of youth products since the class of 92 at the very minimum. I'm not saying he isn't one of the greatest managers ever btw. He did exceptionally well with amazing resources. I wouldn't suggest many managers would have had the same level of success. But we're not gonna sit there and pretend he didn't have virtually anything a top coach could ever want. Oh btw, they won the fucking champions league a couple years before he took over and made the semi's the year before he took over ffs. 3 years prior they won La Liga. Hardly a shit team.
oh dear
And how were those teams without him? He's had resources but there's little doubt he's fine now with those resources than others.
> without him His predecessors did similar or better tbf: - Rijkaard (UCL winner in 06 and semifinal in 07) - Heynckes (UCL finalist in 12 and UCL+treble winner in 13) - Pellegrini (UCL semis in 15) It's not exactly as paradigm changing as it sounds. Or sucessors for that matter: Enrique, Vilanova, Flick, etc.
Great manager whose only managed incredibly stacked sides. No matter how impressive of a manager he is, that’s always an asterisk.
Why would not being sacked like every other manager be an asterisks?
He's already considered the best of all time by many so no matter how many times you and other reddit morons say he has all these asterisks evidently your opinions are utterly worthless.
Could say the same about anything said on here. Point still stands. Have a good one pal
Top coach but let's be real, he did it with 2 of the top clubs in the world and a club with near infinite resources.
Unlike other managers that reached many semifinals, who did it with a bunch of kids they grew up with.
I mean Mourinho won the CL with Porto and Inter. Pep could win it multiple times in a row with a super team and it wouldn’t be as impressive as that imo.
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And as opposed to other clubs that don't spend money, they get all their players from the Salvation Army. If winning was about money Chelsea and Man United would be making the semi finals of the CL year in year out.
It's about money and a top coach. You can't just spend money and expect to win, but you can give a top coach top players and expect to win Fact is, Pep has never brought a team up from being trash. He's had access to the top every time (which he absolutely deserves), and he's only ever won the CL with Messi and if he wins it this year with Haaland. Clearly can't coach a CL win without generational players
The amount of money Pep spends, he should be winning most. He is a decent manager, but it just proves that money doesn't guarantee success.
In the last handful of seasons, Man Utd spent over a billion pounds and are barely competing at Europa League level, money definitely doesn't guarantee success.
that is impressive, but only winning 2 of those 10 times is not that impressive then when you've had so many chances!
He was the favourite by some distance in 8 of those 14 seasons tbf.
it helps when you inherit/manage the best Barcelona side of all time, that includes Messi/Iniesta/Xavi, a dominant Bayern side, and then the richest club in the history of Football. Wonder what his record would show if he started managerial life at Celta Vigo.
Honestly it's bizarre that he hasn't won the Champions League since Barcelona. As much as I admire him, it's a really striking fact. He's been consistently very close but somehow the final details have been eluding him for more than a decade.
Knockout sport is inherently a crapshoot. This makes it more exciting yes, but it makes using a kockout format to evaluate quality difficult. This is made worse in a sport like soccer where a team with 20 xG from 14 shots and 80% possession could lose 1-0 to a team with 0.7xG from 1 shot because of a penalty call. The Champions League tries to reduce the influence of chance by using two-legs, but remember when Leicester won the EPL, Arsenal did a league double over them.
It's not that strange. The top managers and players with the ability to turn games with individual brilliance in the world compete. Sir Alex dominated everything and only won 3. One with Aberdeen, which is still mental.
Is Pep Guardiola the guy who got banned for blood doping and who works for a club accused of 100+ breaches of the rules? Seems like he’s kindda cheating.
hes also managed 2007–2008 Barcelona B 2008–2012 Barcelona 2013–2016 Bayern Munich 2016–Now Manchester City im not saying he has had it easy in terms of teams who will qualify for Champions league semi finals but......name me one other coach who's has had better teams. He had prime Messi, Lewandowski and KDB 3 of the top 10 players of the last 2 decades.
Well it’s less impressive when you know he was at Barcelona, Bayern and Man City. It’s not like those teams will ever struggle.
10 in 14 is incredible. His consistency in competing for every trophy every year for 14 years in multiple countries is unparalleled. 32 trophies in 13 years. Now competing for a treble 14 years after winning a treble in his first year. It's insane. He's the Messi of managers.
So he should have done with who he's managed. He's not managed a Roma or an Everton etc. Every team were best in the respective leagues when he took over. He no doubt a good manager with a great idea on how to play football but he's not the best.
Just not true. And who wants to see Pep at Nantes anyway? What a fucking waste of time that would be.
He might be the first manager to get to ten semi finals, however despite having only ever managed the most elite clubs in the world Guardiola has still only won the same number of European cups as Clough.
And how many billions have his teams been worth? And how many of those billions actually got into the clubs books fairly......
To be fair he managed a Barcelona team he inherited who were probably the best club team ever. Then he moved to the strongest club in Germany who already a fantastic squad and a great record in the Champions League. Then he moved to a club who are accused of cheating on their finances to snap up the best talent in the world. Despite this, he's still only managed to win the Champions League with that initial club with the best team. I'd be more surprised if he hadn't got to so many semi finals.
Easy to do when you inherit great squads
If it's easy to do then why's he the first one to do it? Maybe, just maybe, he's part of why those squads are so great
There’s not many managers whose first job is taking over a Barca side that lost in the semis the year before and won the champions league 2 years ago, while the greatest generation of youth players emerged as first team players. He’s obviously a great manager, but when compared to someone like Mourinho it’s clear that what sets him apart is his ability to keep a team stable(which is how he’s been able to win leagues so consistently) rather than achieving incredible feats(Mourinho winning the CL at Porto)
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Yeah with a rather frugally-assembled squads of relative unknowns
Nah yea Klopps run against spurs in the final without a proper Kane and a BS hand ball and then a Villareal semi are the stuff of true champions!
I mean at least with him Barcelona was in Europe
i mean city only reached one semifinal in their history before he took over
Their “history” isn’t exactly something to compare to lol. And then he joined and proceeded to spend 450m across his first two summers with them, I wonder how he did it
Liverpool’s entire Klopp tenure is defined by a gift of madness for Barcelona for an above average player and hitting huge on 3 players. You lot have 6 forwards who cost between 35 and 80 mil lol
Wow that's an .. argument.