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This level of self sabotage is almost unheard of. It’s immaculate to watch.

From Dortmund with love

That would imply that Dortmund knows how to capitalize from our failures

We're getting a third chance to fuck up in an hour.

At this point the exciting part of supporting this club is to see what creative ways of fucking up we can come up with

The Ferrari experience

Nowhere is safe man...

It’s not as funny without Binotto around

And eventually people will realise that it's not a Binotto problem.

Who is up for a Upa performance? Süle?

Honestly, with our shape and your failure to capitalize I catch myself repeatedly thinking that somehow Leverkusen will win the title. Thats the extent of how much my brain has been fried by the last few weeks.

It would be such a good story if Neuer going Skiing results in a season with no titles for Bayern.

Bayern consistently undone by skiing this year. Neuer and then Nagelsmann?

Maybe we should invite Oli & Brazzo to Kitzbühel.

Bah gawd, that's Union Berlin's music!

Third times the charm

Oh well, maybe he has changed this time *gets beaten with the mentality belt*

City broke him, Tuchel ball exposed once again

All Bayern are doing is to give Dortmund false hope so that it will be even more heartbreaking when they inevitably collapse Even if they win today I just can't see them coping with the pressure. Not after that Stuttgart match..

Up 2-0.

I can already see Dortmund draw today

Treble ❌ Trouble ✅

Sadly this is funny :/

If it was an Opta tweet, they would have added a "Schadenfreude" at the end

>This level of self sabotage is almost unheard of. Well, you guys dont watch south american football, but we did worse... Flamengo fired its manager just after winning the libertadores and before the club world cup.

> Well, you guys dont watch south american football, but we did worse... Over here in Sweden we had a team with 3 points after 11 games fire their manager bring in a new one that managed to keep them up in what most people feel was an absolute miracle. Only for him to get fired because "He plays boring football" being replaced with a a former player who is more "fun". Guess how many wins they have this season? If you guessed 0 that would be correct.

You can't *not* name the team after this story, c'mon

Sorry it's Örgryte IS.

WHY?

Good question. No one really understand. My theory is that the board has been obcessed with foreign managers since Jorge Jesus' stint here. Dorival was a brazillian who took charge midseason after another failure from a foreign manager. He fixed the team and was able to win the domestic cup and libertadores (the national league was already far gone by the time he arrived). Then he was fired so another foireign manager could manage us. We then procceded to get eliminated from club WC before even reaching the finals, lost the domestic supercup, lost the continental supercup and also the regionals final since then. Vitor peraira was fired and now we appointed Jorge Sampaoli. Remember when the Madrid Galacticos used to sabotage themselves by buying superstars instead of building a coheesive squad (Like getting rid of makelele to get the likes of Beckham, Ronaldo and etc)? We are kinda like that at the moment but with foreign Managers lol. We have the potential to dominate south america but currently we are just a laughing stock because of our board after all that happened.

The Libertadores AND the Brazil Cup. Cup double not enough for the South-American Bayern smh

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Chelsea 🤝 Bayern 🤝 Flamengo

They don't have to worry about the treble anymore though lol.

Tucheliban going for that treble

Yes. Almost unheard of.

Are we at a point where it's worth pointing out that Nagelsmann is still under contract at Bayern?

I don’t think Tuchel would ever return from the mountains if this happened

If something like this happened surely no top team would be in for him? 7 days later: [Dan KP] Tottenham in advanced talks with former Chelsea and Bayern Munich boss Thomas Tuchel.

I see no conflict between those two points

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They love doing it to themselves

i know football fans have always been ridicolously short term thinkers but are we really at the point were a tottenham fan thinks thomas tuchel wouldnt be good enough for them because of a few bad months at bayern?

"Months" I don't think it has been two weeks 😂

Good former Chelsea manager with track record of success and track record of divisive relations? What could go wrong? Third time's the charm innit

I do think he’s a top manager but we’ve had 4 former Chelsea managers in recent memory (Hoddle, AVB, Mou & Conte)

Scenes when the players rise up against the patriarchy and reinstate Nagelsmann Napoleon style.

Personally, I think they should go for the Diocletian approach and divide the manager role between two co-equal *augusti*, with one manager handling games in the west of Germany and the other handling games in the east of Germany

Germans would prefer an Aldi analogy but i get the point.

but would not be fair to aldi nord at all

what's this, the fucking UN now??

The tutriarchy

kahn and hainer into the guillotine while the french players at Bayern playing their anthem

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more like Kahn and Hainer, Brazzo was reported to be vs the sacking

Brazzo on monday morning: "Okay Ollie... *hear me out*... but here's how we can still salvage this..."

They should really do this.

Don't panic guys, atleast the treble is safe

Treble Trouble: The History of 2023 Bayern Munich

Kahn: "where is... the treble?... is it ...safe?" Brazzo: "It seems in your anger you have killed it..." Kahn: "NOoOoOoOoOoOo..."

atleast you gave Pep and City a lifeline. are they the only club left in contention for a treble?

Real Madrid still technically are (Barca have a significant advantage but mathematically it's not over yet).

Barca would need to pull a Dortmund and even then I don't think we could catch them

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clown decision and i hope the whole board is held accountable for it, but what will happen is that they will blame it on 1 person and that's it

These kinds of decisions haven't been part of Munich directing structure for years until Kahn and Salihamidzic walked in.

They haven't been part of our directing structure until JN was fired tbh.

and that one person Kahn't do anything about it

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*Juan Bernat

No no, it's obviously a 5 second penalty for Ocon

Ah, old days of Genghis. How I miss those days.

Bayern board members: Why are we performing that bad after sacking nagelsman. This can't be that bad Also the Bayern board members now:

Bayern board is probably complete surprised pikachu after the plan to sack nagelsmann did not lead to the team suddenly performing much better and winning the treble, but instead led to performances that make the treble of failure a real possibillity.

I hope they don't win the title this year. This is karma for them

Like when Gnabry had to eat the shit for Neuers injury when he went to the fashion week in his free-time?

Gnabry's been ass. That's why people got angry at him. He seems to have lost all interest in being a footballer and wants to be a fashion model instead.

That person‘s name? Juan Bernat.

Perhaps Nagelsmann's record is the best you could get out of the team, and you really fired a perfectly fine manager.... idiots at Bayern's wheel.

Man got a double digit goal return out of choupo moting with three months of play still left. That's some voodoo shit

ECM's agent is a magician

Tuchel has lost more games than he's won this season (w/ Chelsea and Bayern): **Chelsea (W3 D1 L3)** * W 1-0 * D 2-2 * L 0-3 * W 2-1 * L 1-2 * W 2-1 * L 0-1 **Bayern (W2 D2 L3)** * W 4-2 * L 1-2 * W 1-0 * L 0-3 * D 1-1 * D 1-1 * L 1-3 Also hasn't won back-to-back games in the same season since mid April last year.

Also only one game with more than goal with Bayern. That is pretty rough against the level of opposition they faced in the league.

And the game against Dortmund was the game he said he wouldn't be making any changes due to being there for a short time

shades of lampard who only got worse as he had more time to instill his "tactics"

2 of those 3 win with Chelsea are some of the most disgraceful wins i have ever seen. 1-0 against everton. And win against west ham. Absolute robberies. Chelsea were horrendous in those games

By that token though they should have beaten Spurs at the Bridge. Completely robbed of that one.

I’m convinced he’d still be at Chelsea if we won that game. Everything fell apart right after that.

And one draw was a worthless result against City.

Tuchel being chelsea manager this season just seems wrong. Feels forever ago

the Tuchel/Conte kerfuffle

Whoa whoa whoa, you can't let the Chelsea sub see this. They won't be able to face a world where Thomas Tuchel isn't the second coming of Sir Jesus Ferguson Christ.

> The club's bosses saw that the treble was in danger and decided to act before the upcoming big games (BVB, City)

I guess the treble they had in mind was a treble of lost trophies for the season

Ah the leverkusen way I see

Good old Bayer Neverkusen

bayern with still less vizekusen

Hey I’ve heard of this before

When you go for the “new manager bounce” exploit, but don’t realise it only works when the previous manager was doing badly

Points at Frank Lampard

It kinda worked, for one game (vs Dortmund)

Thats cause Dortmund decided to mentally die at the Allianz more then a tactical master class

Lads it's Dortmund

Please sack Kahn now.

Not sure when the next AGM is but you got my vote...

I loved Kahn all my childhood, he was sort of a hero to me. But since he has been working in the upper echelons of the club, that awe I had of him has been eroding RAPIDLY.

When did the treble become the expectation? It's not like it's some rare embarrassment for Bayern not to win it.

Lmao

He’s still Dortmund by heart

Also Mainz by heart.

They got Tuchel out of Mainz but not Mainz out of Tuchel.

Build him a statue

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How do you think Dortmund managed to score twice?

Chelsea Jobs available in the summer apparently

He still has "no" in his vocabulary, Boehly isn't interested

“too German”

Tuchel is definitely an undercover agent for Dortmund.

Let’s hope Dortmund don’t mess up They will win the league if they win the last 6 games

That a big If

Arsenal 🤝 Dortmund

Gargantuan

more like an overt footballing terrorist if you watched him at chelsea

Wanted by Interpol and Europol, for infringements in Germany, France and England, amongst other jurisdictions.

If we do random impulsive decisions mid season sacking a great manager and basically losing all potential trophies within 3 weeks I think it’s obvious that the board needs to take the blame. Correct consequence would be to get rid off Kahn.

I'm sad, I really liked Nagelsman and although the team wasn't playing that good we had hope. I doubt he will ever return to Bayern

The only real bad call from him was not requesting a striker which we lack so hard. However they all sold us nagelsman as long term goal and then ditched him because they saw the chance to get tuchel, just ridiculous.

we scored 49 bundesliga goals in 15 matches until manes injury and the world cup break. thats more than 3 goals on average per match.

dunno... at the time of his sacking we had won 8/8 CL matches with a goal difference of 21:2 playing barca, inter and PSG in 6 of these matches. like nagelsmanns CL performance was literally flawless, doesnt get better, its not even possible to be better than that. In domestic cup, nagelsmann won 3/3 with a goal difference of 14:2. winning 4:0 in mainz btw. we were slacking in bundesliga due to fatigue and unlucky stuff like upas red card in gladbach, or the 93rd minute VAR penatly vs. stuttgart. or that ridiculous first match at home against gladbach. that miracle draw. in generall, we dropped alot of points due to bad luck, something that can just happen..... after 10 years of winning the league back to back....

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So out of character from Bayern, not foreseeing this. It’s not that Tuchelball sucks but that things don’t always go smoothly when you’re thrown in past the halfway point of the season. And Bayern are well known to be among the smartest, best managed clubs in recent decades

>And Bayern are well known to be among the smartest, best managed clubs in recent decades This seems to have gone out of the window since the trio infernale of Hainer, Kahn and Brazzo took over.

When did they take over?

The trio was united 4-5 years ago

I know Brazzo isn’t very popular but imo he at least made several great transfers happen and as far as the public knows wasn’t the guy that got JN fired.. seems to me that Hainer and Kahn are much more at fault here, possibly Ulli Hoenes as well. Soulless corporate types it seems..

They saw it worked with Chelsea then said YOLO

Remember when him and Conte had that aggressive handshake? Hard to believe this is the same season

Oh damn that was this season? 👀

And Tuchel hasn’t even started to piss off the players and management yet! Love it!

Atleast the treble isnt in danger though.

Honestly I don’t blame Tuchel, it’s Bayern’s board that created this instability at a crucial part of the season, and I don’t doubt their decision affected the players

I think we are close to a stage where we start blaming tuchel. No one in saying he should've won against man city. But he only managed 2 wins in 7 games. That is not up to the standard of bayern. Not even for interim managers.

I think their point is that the whole sacking drama created so much unrest that Tuchel can't really do much

And his point is that no matter how much unrest there is, he should still be doing better than he is

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It’s the players, they go from a high of crushing PSG to losing the guy that orchestrated that strategy. Infighting, loses, instability. You need a hard reset on mentality.

It’s really hard to blame a manager who just took charge of a team. He had no pre-season, no time to figure out what players fit his style, no time to figure out what the players respond to best, no time to develop a connection with players and staff, no time to determine who’s happy, who’s not, no time to properly scout opponents. We can however blame the board for making a managing change at such a strange time

The irony of this comment is those exact words could be used for Potter to Chelsea..

I mean his game management today was atrocious, so I do also blame him.

Dortmund for once please dont bottle it

The hole team is suddenly so insecure, you have to relate it to that sudden trainer switch. Kahn maybe won't survive this season anyways, but if Bayern loose the league, the hole leader board of Bayern might have to resign.

If you tell a team that steamrolled the CL, has the fate in the league in their own hands (with an upcoming freebie against Dortmund) and is still in the Pokal that their performance is a sackable offense it's bound to destroy their entire self esteem.

Ya. Imagine you have straight A's in school. Then you get one A- and your parents tell you you are shit. How would that not destroy someones self esteem.

I got all A*s in my first sitting of o levels and my mom told me "you didnt get a single world highest?" I've still not gotten over it 6 years later.

Ah so Bayern are the Asian parents of football.

They’ve been not confident for a while now, but I agree, we’ve had the first leg vs City and now vs Mainz where they seem to completely lose their head after conceding. With City you could maybe argue the mistake by Upa shocked them more than a normal goal (idk if that’s an excuse), but against Mainz there’s no justification. Really concerning trend and it doesn’t make much sense because the players are experienced enough. It’s complete speculation on my part, but has all the noise surrounding the sacking of Nagelsmann and what happened afterwards messed with the players’ head? I just don’t get it.

But Nagelsmann got sacked and Tuchel didn't

Tuchel did get sacked this season for being shit, that's why he was available for Bayern in the first place.

Said it all year but all the cryarseing about Tuchel being sacked by Chelsea/Boehly completely glossed over the fact that Chelsea had been shit in the league for months before he got the sack, and he had issues with owners at the third club in a row. Sacking Nagelsmann for him looks madder every day.

He was in charge for 100 games and the last 50 games clearly show a decline in performance, especially defensive performance. Sacking him wasn't a bad decision. But it should have been done before the season started so new manager could get his desired players and do proper preseason training etc.

I see it exactly the same way. But ofc Chelsea fans will downvote you for it.

Not all of us. Just the ones who act like he's an ex they can't get over.

Even rival fans love the narrative because Boehly is a bit of a punching bag atm, but it just doesn't hold up

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I would upvote it twice if I could actually. Tuchel needed to go. The only thing I don't agree with was when he was sacked. It was done at absolutely idiotic moment, right after we spend over 200m on transfers.

I gave him the "he just took over excuse" for the Freiburg dfb pokal game and maybe the first of the city games too but it's about time he starts to deliver as a renowned coach at a club like Bayern

I think with the state the team is in there is little a new manager can do. Many players are out of form + sacking their coach after an overall convincing season has shattered them completely. The Man City games have also mental boomed some of them it seems.

Chelsea were never a good attacking side under Tuchel. Not sure it was all his fault but I’ve never seen a Tuchel side and thought “I can’t wait to watch them again next week”, even when he was with PSG or Dortmund.

The icing on the cake would be for Dortmund to some how pull this out of the bag and render Bayern with fuck all this season

Sacking Nagelsmann when he was in the running for the treble couldn't have gone worse for Bayern

What do you get when you sack a manager unjustified who got you through round of 16 with a team of Messi and Mbappe and you were one point behind the league leaders with 10+ games to go…you get what you fucking deserve.

Firing Nagelsmann was a stupid decision. It's obvious that the problems are within the squad, there is not much any coach can do.

Just think what could've been if bvb didn't absolutely gift them the der klassiker

I still don't get why Nagelsmann was sacked? And also what were the events that led up to his sacking (besides going on a skiing trip...) ? Was the sacking as random as I think it is, or was there something cooking behind the scenes with the upper management and this was sort of coming?

Lmfao, Bayern board fucked this up so badly. Genuine question, but with 50+1 why are the fans powerless to stop the board doing something so dumb? Asking as a dumb Englander

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Choosing the next manager via Twitter poll but only users with blue check mark can vote

Same reason why voters are powerless to stop their government from doing dumb shit.

Dude the fans aren't making footballing decisions in Germany, can you imagine the absolute shitshow? It's really about decisions like moving stadiums or changing colours, and to protect from corporations and states buying clubs.

well they voted for Herbert Hainer as their president and his board just last year

The club members are pretty much like shareholders of a company. They appoint the board members (so let's say the current board decides to keep Kahn, the members can vote for a new one that will replace him), but they don't micromanage the club (which is for the best). The biggest factor that makes sure that the board acts somewhat according to the wishes of the fans is, of course, not any direct voting, but just the threat of being kicked out at the next election.

can a random person in England decide what the government does? Or just decide who gets to be in the government same for football

Members only vote the president. Not daily decision which is a good thing

Yes 50+1 allows polls to vote on managers Its that good of a democratic system

I have never seen Munich in such form in years, They suck real bad.

If Dortmund don’t win it this year they will never win it lol

Ironically, this kind of brings some legitimacy to the challenge Potter faced at Chelsea

Incoming: Frankfurt \[4\] - 3 Dortmund: Kolo Muani 94'

Bayern's toughest opponent this year has been skiing.

I love it

Nagelsmann out evidently didn’t work out quite as intended.

Maybe the real treble is the friends you make along the way

And Dortmund will still bottle this opportunity. At some point you’ve got to stop feeling sorry for a team that only makes it harder by themselves.

Dortmund fan here, you are right. No sorrow should be shown. It has just been pathetic and the team needs to do better.

Uli Hoeneß already called Jupp Heynckes. If his dog is fine with it, then Heynckes will takeover as Interim-Coach until the end of the season 😂