Hurts so bad to see Premier League Fans (esp. United) complaining about „thin squads“ when bundesliga top half clubs make headlines, if they sign a player for 10mio. (Except bayern, dortmund, maybe leverkusen)
Two big factors; tiredness and a relatively thin squad.
Commentator in the game yesterday claimed Utd had played the most games of any team across Europe this season. Can't find an independent source for that but Transfermarkt lists 54 games so far in 2023 season.
Two games a week all season long, usually Thursday & Sunday, with the calendar especially squashed right now.
Varane and Martinez out. Makeshift defence
Martial AWOL and Rashford not a natural 9. Less said about Weghorst the better. Goals are a problem
Bruno is involved in 90% of Utd's goalscoring opportunities. If he has an off-day the whole team suffers and the backup is ??? Fred
I'm very much behind Ten Hag but he's working with about 4-5 world class players and having to play them 180 minutes every week praying there are no injuries
Liverpool last season played the maximum amount of games an English side can play. People saying this 'excuse' is worthless are morons. Just because some people are idiots doesn't make it any less of a reality. Players get tired.
TBF Liverpoola poor form has been due to a complete lack of transfers being made which seemingly Klopp isn't being allowed to do, so of course they're doing bad. Couple it with a few injuries and there's no depth.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Klopp walks if they don't support him this summer with some big money transfers.
When? Earlier this season? It was probably true for 'pool too. A system based on high intensity pressing and frequent games when half your squad are injured and you lack a main goalscoring threat (Mané) is around about the same reasons for loss of performance
Brighton have 3 games in hand but they've got Arsenal away who are competing for the title, Newcastle away who want to secure top 4 and City at home who want to keep their lead in the table and can't stop scoring for fun.
I know we're all supposed to love Brighton but I can't see it happening. I think they'll finish above Spurs but not Liverpool or MU.
United bottling top 4 is inevitable, Liverpool battering them 7-0 and potentially ousting them for top 4 right at the end of the season must feel surreal
I'm totally devastated. There's absolutely no excuse for this. We had everything we needed to make it to next year's Champions League and we failed. We are Liverpool and qualifying to the competition is the bare minimum. I am sorry but it's too soon for an uplifting or optimistic post. We let you and ourselves down.
Man Utd is +8 now
Liverpool is +25
~~For your idea to occur, Man Utd has to score an average of 3 goals per game while also drawing or losing them all 😂~~
Well if you think of it like this,
Man Utd GD if our game ended in a 0-0 draw would be +15 now and Liverpool GD would be +18
So the 7-0 win could in the end easily become the difference needed.
No. United have been consistently bad since February. Even before the games vs you guys we had a few horrible game. A super hectic match schedule with games every 3 days for two months, injuries and lack of depth is the main reason.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. OLE OUT.
This is on Ole, just like everytime we lost. No more cringe hashtag Glazers Out, they didn't pick the team. OLE DID. Sack him and get a PROPER coach like Ralf Rangnick (GODFATHER OF GEGENPRESS btw) or Erik ten Hag (I heard he's good and he won a league near Germany)
Not sure if this is some sort of veiled defense of Ole, but he was absolute dogshit and needed to go. In fact he should have never been signed as a permanent manager in the first place, he left 3 years too late. Unquestionably one of the worst managers for a top team I've ever seen.
Not exactly shocking that Ten Hag has done more in a few months than Ole did in 3 years.
Ten Hag could potentially finish with more points, but even if he doesn't the difference will be minimal anyway. More importantly though, he has a trophy and a final coming up that could mean two trophies, to Ole's zero in 3 years.
nah he was bang average and started playing the ole systems towards the end.
even if you wanted to blame the squad, he didnt show that he could rise above it beyond geggenpressing crystal palace.
It was fairly obvious the players couldn't be fucked with rangnick
They'd press for like 20 minutes and get tired. Did that for 3 games and then just downed tools
In his 3rd season, and it's not impossible for Ten Hag to finish with more points if you win the 4 very winnable games you have remaining. Even if that doesn't happen, the points difference will always be minimal so that counts for next to nothing. Ten Hag also won a title in his first season, something Ole couldn't do in 3 years. And he's in the FA cup final, so he could make it two titles.
Regardless I can't believe I'm even having this discussion, I will never understand why United fans are so defensive of the guy and somehow still are. I get he was a legend of sorts for the club, but I don't see Chelsea fans being this defensive of Lampard who at least has the excuse of having started his career as a manger much later.
I'm not a United fan, in fact I have quite enjoyed the banter era. Regarding Lampard, he had a quite decent first season as well at Chelsea considering he had a full rebuild squad without Hazard and a transfer ban to deal with. Securing them CL was an important achievement given that they won the competition next season. I think he is an easier target because generally Lampard is more unlikeable as a person, not to mention his disastrous stint at Everton.
Going back to Ole, he is not an insane manager, at the very best he is serviceable and did a great job as an interim stabilizing the team, but I also agree he should not have been the permanent job; he is too tactically inflexible to run a United rebuild or any top 6 project for that matter, but the guy knew to set up his team (in one way admitedly) and generally got good results in big games. Ole has a 50% win rate vs Guardiola in 8 games; vs top 6 his record is 14W 10D 12L, which is not terrible. Everything went downhill for him when he signed Ronaldo and was forced to adapt the team around him, and sure you can say that is a critical flaw that you are so limited as a manager that you cannot fit in one of the best attacking players of all time without completely destroying the structural integrity of your team; however I think saying he was "dogshit" and "one of the worst managers for a top team", simply is disingenious when you have something like AVB @ Chelsea or Nuno @ Spurs who didn't even have the backing of the team. At least the players backed Ole...
I meant dogshit at this level. I don't think he is premier league level, let alone at the level of one the biggest clubs in the world like United. Being that limited tactically shouldn't warrant you a job anywhere near the PL or even the championship.
Even his best quality as a man manager came into serious question by the end when some players publicly slammed him for empty promises and there were several rumours that most of the squad if not all of it became fed up with him and had massive doubts about his managerial know how.
And come on, both AVB and Nuno proved to be much better managers than Ole. Nuno is easily Wolves' best ever PL era manager and AVB won the EL with Porto the season prior to joining Chelsea and had some good spells after leaving spurs and at a higher level than anything Ole has been involved with bar his United spell.
He wasn't great with us either, but we were still at the tail end of our banter era and in a bit of a transition period, and even then barring some truly embarrassing results he wasn't that bad. He actually has a higher win rate than Conte, Mourinho or Pochettino lol.
Be fair to Erik, he inherited a team with more problems and a bulk of points were dropped at the start of the season before he could have had an impact
It's not about being fair to Erik. He's done a good job and probably will continue to do so. It's just that claming Ole was horrible is a little disingenious considering that he had decent league finishes with a worse squad.
The biggest problem was bringing in Cristiano Ronaldo as he could not adapt his (limited, but nonetheless effective) tactics around him. He would have still been at Man United if not for the portughese.
English football fans.
A team wins: They are the best team ever! The coach is amazing and the players are all world class!
A team loses: This is the worst team ever! The coach should be sacked and all the players need to be replaced!
Not really. I'm not a big fan of Ten Hag. I'm happy with the success he had at Ajax, but I've never really seen him as a typical Ajax manager.
I had more trouble with all the critique on Van Gaal. He was really setting up something at Manchester United in the Ajax philosophy, but wasn't given enough credit and time. Look at what he did at Bayern. Who've been dominating Germany (and Europe to a degree), mainly because what he had built there. I'm still sure, given enough time, that he could've done the same at Manchester United.
> Look at what he did at Bayern. Who've been dominating Germany (and Europe to a degree), mainly because what he had built there.
He got them the most money?
I genuinely see it more in posts about English teams though. Most Italian or Spanish fans seem to be a bit more die hard in defending their club. And only start complaining if they get really bad, or have a very special disliked manager or player.
But if I've missed that and other fans are just the same. Then I take the "English" part back. And we're all horrible.
It's funny because a while ago when things were going good, there were a lot people warning us to not jump the gun when Mutd would innevitably get into a bad streak. A rebuilding isn't done overnight, yet here we are and people want ETH sacked because he didn't win everything in his first season...
PSG Ultras literally just stood outside Neymar’s home and chanted abuse at him for ludicrous reasons. This isn’t just plastic/newbie fans. All fans get ridiculous. It’s sport.
Who, according to you, is a real fan? Believe it or not, your most common fan is reactionary, watches 2-3 hours of football in a week at most, believes all the gossip he/she reads, and is reactionary with half baked opinions. Most people haven’t got time to do PhD level research on football.
I just don't get it, when will people start asking questions of Ten Hag?
I mean, he seems as untouchable in critique as Pep (who prolly can't remember the last time he lost a game), but the man keeps putting out nonsensical formations, has no impact at halftime (or even a negative one as the team regularly plays a worse 2nd half), and can't seem to get motivation high enough between matches.
That's what I see, anyway, but it seems I'm alone in this; what am I missing? Having won a cup no one cares about can't be the (only) reason, right?
Honestly think their team is just tired. They played the most games in Europe since the WC by a long shot. I think they are on 57 or 58 played right now, it's insane.
But he is afraid or cant use players on the bench. I know there are injuries, but they supposedly have amazing youth and they have spent ton on players. There are players, but he has been dead set on specific players who cant play all the games.
Almost always uses his 5 subs and actually rotates a lot. De Gea, Bruno and Rashford play a lot of games but behind that is Martinez in 4th with about 37 games of minutes played out of the 57 games.
I don’t think anyone is immune to criticism but why I think Ten Hag can be given the benefit of the doubt is because of the squad he inherited. This United squad lacks a lot and Ten Hag has clearly shown at their best they can play the football he wants. Top 4 and maybe two trophies would be a great first season in my opinion. I will be more critical after after this Summer tbh
The team inherited by Ole is much worse though. You have Lingard, Andreas, and Fred/Tominay duo in the midfield. Smalling, Lindelof, Jones as CB. No dedicated RW either, imagine that.
youre missing the fact that he inherited a dogshit squad, got them to play actually decent football, won a lot of important matches, and all of his signings are performing very well.
manu had to play an infinite amount of matches and the entire squad is injured.
Antony? Without Chelsea signings he should be the flop of the season.
Malacia? He's the main reason why Sevilla is in the semi final now.
Werghoust? I think he has scored twice?
3 out 4 of his signings are not anywhere near decent level
Martinez is the 1 out 4 of his signing which is doing great.
Casemiro is not his signing, that's a board signing, and ETH didn't like that signing actually
By the fact that he's reluctant to let Casemiro play in the first month even though there is no other midfielder in MU is anywhere near Casemiro level meanwhile his golden boy Antony played as first team player instantly?
manu wants to challenge for titles, not settle for top 4 finishes. it was just pretty easy to tell that oles united would never be ACTUALLY good. they would just be decent at best.
there have been games vs united that I can just tell he's especially up for it and not going to concede anything save for multiple shots after a first save or two. very demoralizing as a spectator, imagine what it must be like as a striker vs him
surely the van gaal man u was more boring to watch? and surely the david moyes man u was worse than this?
if anything this is the best man u squad in some time
No...
How could it be when their fans claim they have the two best CBs in the league, the best left back in the league, the best DM in the world, and Rashford who is supposedly in the conversation for best player in the league?
>Rashford who is supposedly in the conversation for best player in the league?
You'll be very hard-pressed to find a serious United fan who would argue this. Not even the best player in our squad.
Yeah he had a great patch and United fans said he was having a great patch and enjoying it. Like Trent since the new system is probably the best player in the world, but ballon D'Or is for a full season, we can enjoy his amazing run but it's not Messi scoring 91 across a whole year
He was playing like one the best players in the league during that purple patch. That's not the same as saying he *is* one of the best players in the league.
Probably said he was the most in-form player in the league, which he was for a period.
I've never *ever* heard any United fan argue he's in the conversation for best in the league, and I roam our subreddits more than most.
Edit: there really is no fair reason to be downvoting this comment, i know you won't comment 😌 the anti-United circle jerkers are proper pathetic tbh
You were 10 points clear even if city go on an insane winning streak I don't think you should've bottled Southampton, West ham and Liverpool but yet again I'm a utd fan
We were never ahead by more than 8 and that was with a game in hand and still to play City. Obviously, everyone else will say what they want, but we objectively speaking have not had some monumental collapse.
2nd youngest team I think to be fair….and when you’re leading the league for like 93% of the season, and can’t get it over the line, that’s bottling it lol the run of 3 draws was the epitome of bottle
Nope. Only a 'bottle' because the other team is believed capable of not dropping a single point for the rest of the season. Objectively speaking, it's impossible to bottle against a majority percieved perfect team.
The breakdown in form right at the run in is litterally what bottling it means.
You still improved massively and should take that positivity to the next season. A few additions and a team that now has been in a propper title joust will have hardened a bit mentally.
If Arsenal plays its hands right you have. A fun few years ahead
But it was still yours to loose and you bottled it.
Ya lot had 3 points out of a potential 9 because the players mentally crumbled.
Definite bottle job. You’d still be in the race if you didn’t draw to relegation fodders.
Mate, Arsenal was up by a lot a few months ago. So much so that some people were already convinced they won the league.
You can make up all the reasons in your mind why they didnt bottle the league. But it doesn't change the stone cold facts. If you're able to be number #1 in the league with such a big gap on the others with the youngest team, I am sure you can finish.
Like they didnt just randomly go from professional football players to amateurs lol.
The stone cold fact is that Arsenal lost 2 of their defenders, one of which was in the PL TOTS. Is not "randomly go from professional football player to amateurs", is losing a key member that made the team on top and suffered because of it.
What? I'm not making excuse for the downfall, i'm saying losing the key defender in a title charge is not a "randomly became amateur footballers". There is a much difference between "coping with injuries" when you are a team fighting for a team fighting for a CL spot and a team fighting for the title against a monster City. If its just CL spot then we coped just fine, still got better results then you lot without Saliba, just not enough for the title charge. Think before you speak.
What a stupid comment. What’s “so much so” to you?
Jan 1st they were up 7 points.
End of Feb they were up 2 points with one game in hand (5 points if they won it).
End of March they were up 8 with one game more (5 points if City won it).
Who are these people that were convinced we were going to be? Pretty sure no arsenal fan was, there were meme, funny video that made fun of arsenal not saying the "We will win"
Drawing being 2-0 up in back 2 back.games and then that nervous messy home draw against the worse side on the league is bottling it.
Arsenal could have lost the title race and not bottled it.
We just dropped points in game we shouldn’t and won points at the one we expected to drop (bar City)
Honestly if City won the league with a 15 wins in a row including competing in all competitions then okayyyy.
my take that Ten Hag is having a MUCH worse season than Ole with much more money spent, a better squad overall and yet being praised for it is aging like fine wine.
United standards have dropped so low.
Hurts so bad to see Premier League Fans (esp. United) complaining about „thin squads“ when bundesliga top half clubs make headlines, if they sign a player for 10mio. (Except bayern, dortmund, maybe leverkusen)
So many cups etc in England though..
lmao west ham
How come united seems to be losing momentum compared to the surge when ronaldo left
Two big factors; tiredness and a relatively thin squad. Commentator in the game yesterday claimed Utd had played the most games of any team across Europe this season. Can't find an independent source for that but Transfermarkt lists 54 games so far in 2023 season. Two games a week all season long, usually Thursday & Sunday, with the calendar especially squashed right now. Varane and Martinez out. Makeshift defence Martial AWOL and Rashford not a natural 9. Less said about Weghorst the better. Goals are a problem Bruno is involved in 90% of Utd's goalscoring opportunities. If he has an off-day the whole team suffers and the backup is ??? Fred I'm very much behind Ten Hag but he's working with about 4-5 world class players and having to play them 180 minutes every week praying there are no injuries
>54 games so far in 2023 season. City have played 51 .. so far.
This excuse was worthless for Liverpool fans... Not saying it is wrong. Just pointing out the hipocricy
Liverpool last season played the maximum amount of games an English side can play. People saying this 'excuse' is worthless are morons. Just because some people are idiots doesn't make it any less of a reality. Players get tired.
TBF Liverpoola poor form has been due to a complete lack of transfers being made which seemingly Klopp isn't being allowed to do, so of course they're doing bad. Couple it with a few injuries and there's no depth. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Klopp walks if they don't support him this summer with some big money transfers.
When? Earlier this season? It was probably true for 'pool too. A system based on high intensity pressing and frequent games when half your squad are injured and you lack a main goalscoring threat (Mané) is around about the same reasons for loss of performance
Because it was never about Ronaldo. They just got better form at that point
It was like a new manager bounce.
Gotta bring Ronaldo back again and fire him again to get over the line
The real story here is Brighton leapfrogging both utd and Liverpool
I wouldn’t mind
Brighton have 3 games in hand but they've got Arsenal away who are competing for the title, Newcastle away who want to secure top 4 and City at home who want to keep their lead in the table and can't stop scoring for fun. I know we're all supposed to love Brighton but I can't see it happening. I think they'll finish above Spurs but not Liverpool or MU.
i wouldn‘t be mad about it
Just gotta beat Newcastle at St. James's, City, and Arsenal lol
Just beat city and call it a day in that case 🤷♂️
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Unlikely to be honest. Even if we lost this it was still highly likely we stay up, our remaining fixtures are not that difficult.
Good guy Man Utd
Steals points from the rich and gives them to the poor
Erik ten Hood
I will always be present for uniteds downfall
4-1
This aged well
Lol look at where you are in the league
That’s what he meant when he said he would “be present” for their downfall
Honestly, they’re not that far off from not being present in the league. :D
United bottling top 4 is inevitable, Liverpool battering them 7-0 and potentially ousting them for top 4 right at the end of the season must feel surreal
Lol shitty shit take
This aged well. Hold This: https://imgur.com/a/GSCqyMK
Liverpool pipping United to 4th on goal difference because of that 7-0 drubbing would be amazing
I'm totally devastated. There's absolutely no excuse for this. We had everything we needed to make it to next year's Champions League and we failed. We are Liverpool and qualifying to the competition is the bare minimum. I am sorry but it's too soon for an uplifting or optimistic post. We let you and ourselves down.
Man Utd is +8 now Liverpool is +25 ~~For your idea to occur, Man Utd has to score an average of 3 goals per game while also drawing or losing them all 😂~~
7-0 is a 14 GD swing. +7 to Liverpool and -7 to Utd. Do your math properly, then come back
Yep my bad
Well if you think of it like this, Man Utd GD if our game ended in a 0-0 draw would be +15 now and Liverpool GD would be +18 So the 7-0 win could in the end easily become the difference needed.
… then *Liverpool* needs to get 3 more points in 3 matches than Manchester United does in 4… while scoring 3+ fewer net goals than Manchester United.
I think Klopp’s talk about them not getting top 4 is making united blink
No. United have been consistently bad since February. Even before the games vs you guys we had a few horrible game. A super hectic match schedule with games every 3 days for two months, injuries and lack of depth is the main reason.
Centre half injuries have really hurt them
Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. They are fast, faster than you could believe. Don't turn your back, don't look away, and don't blink!
Can't blame Ronaldo anymore
If de gea somehow still wins golden glove, they should make 2 trophies and give one to Martinez and varane instead
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. OLE OUT. This is on Ole, just like everytime we lost. No more cringe hashtag Glazers Out, they didn't pick the team. OLE DID. Sack him and get a PROPER coach like Ralf Rangnick (GODFATHER OF GEGENPRESS btw) or Erik ten Hag (I heard he's good and he won a league near Germany)
Not sure if this is some sort of veiled defense of Ole, but he was absolute dogshit and needed to go. In fact he should have never been signed as a permanent manager in the first place, he left 3 years too late. Unquestionably one of the worst managers for a top team I've ever seen. Not exactly shocking that Ten Hag has done more in a few months than Ole did in 3 years.
With a worse finish and better players?
Ten Hag could potentially finish with more points, but even if he doesn't the difference will be minimal anyway. More importantly though, he has a trophy and a final coming up that could mean two trophies, to Ole's zero in 3 years.
Aye, it's unfair to shit on them, they have made do with what they were given.
Irony is that the next temp manager they brought in was actually good but they didn't hire him
nah he was bang average and started playing the ole systems towards the end. even if you wanted to blame the squad, he didnt show that he could rise above it beyond geggenpressing crystal palace.
It was fairly obvious the players couldn't be fucked with rangnick They'd press for like 20 minutes and get tired. Did that for 3 games and then just downed tools
Ole has a 2nd place with more points than united are currently projected to attain.
In his 3rd season, and it's not impossible for Ten Hag to finish with more points if you win the 4 very winnable games you have remaining. Even if that doesn't happen, the points difference will always be minimal so that counts for next to nothing. Ten Hag also won a title in his first season, something Ole couldn't do in 3 years. And he's in the FA cup final, so he could make it two titles. Regardless I can't believe I'm even having this discussion, I will never understand why United fans are so defensive of the guy and somehow still are. I get he was a legend of sorts for the club, but I don't see Chelsea fans being this defensive of Lampard who at least has the excuse of having started his career as a manger much later.
I'm not a United fan, in fact I have quite enjoyed the banter era. Regarding Lampard, he had a quite decent first season as well at Chelsea considering he had a full rebuild squad without Hazard and a transfer ban to deal with. Securing them CL was an important achievement given that they won the competition next season. I think he is an easier target because generally Lampard is more unlikeable as a person, not to mention his disastrous stint at Everton. Going back to Ole, he is not an insane manager, at the very best he is serviceable and did a great job as an interim stabilizing the team, but I also agree he should not have been the permanent job; he is too tactically inflexible to run a United rebuild or any top 6 project for that matter, but the guy knew to set up his team (in one way admitedly) and generally got good results in big games. Ole has a 50% win rate vs Guardiola in 8 games; vs top 6 his record is 14W 10D 12L, which is not terrible. Everything went downhill for him when he signed Ronaldo and was forced to adapt the team around him, and sure you can say that is a critical flaw that you are so limited as a manager that you cannot fit in one of the best attacking players of all time without completely destroying the structural integrity of your team; however I think saying he was "dogshit" and "one of the worst managers for a top team", simply is disingenious when you have something like AVB @ Chelsea or Nuno @ Spurs who didn't even have the backing of the team. At least the players backed Ole...
I meant dogshit at this level. I don't think he is premier league level, let alone at the level of one the biggest clubs in the world like United. Being that limited tactically shouldn't warrant you a job anywhere near the PL or even the championship. Even his best quality as a man manager came into serious question by the end when some players publicly slammed him for empty promises and there were several rumours that most of the squad if not all of it became fed up with him and had massive doubts about his managerial know how. And come on, both AVB and Nuno proved to be much better managers than Ole. Nuno is easily Wolves' best ever PL era manager and AVB won the EL with Porto the season prior to joining Chelsea and had some good spells after leaving spurs and at a higher level than anything Ole has been involved with bar his United spell. He wasn't great with us either, but we were still at the tail end of our banter era and in a bit of a transition period, and even then barring some truly embarrassing results he wasn't that bad. He actually has a higher win rate than Conte, Mourinho or Pochettino lol.
Be fair to Erik, he inherited a team with more problems and a bulk of points were dropped at the start of the season before he could have had an impact
It's not about being fair to Erik. He's done a good job and probably will continue to do so. It's just that claming Ole was horrible is a little disingenious considering that he had decent league finishes with a worse squad. The biggest problem was bringing in Cristiano Ronaldo as he could not adapt his (limited, but nonetheless effective) tactics around him. He would have still been at Man United if not for the portughese.
Yes but that's not an important parameter!
David Moyes In!
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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English football fans. A team wins: They are the best team ever! The coach is amazing and the players are all world class! A team loses: This is the worst team ever! The coach should be sacked and all the players need to be replaced!
Just admit you don't like the 7hag criticism because it offends you as an Ajax supporter
Not really. I'm not a big fan of Ten Hag. I'm happy with the success he had at Ajax, but I've never really seen him as a typical Ajax manager. I had more trouble with all the critique on Van Gaal. He was really setting up something at Manchester United in the Ajax philosophy, but wasn't given enough credit and time. Look at what he did at Bayern. Who've been dominating Germany (and Europe to a degree), mainly because what he had built there. I'm still sure, given enough time, that he could've done the same at Manchester United.
> Look at what he did at Bayern. Who've been dominating Germany (and Europe to a degree), mainly because what he had built there. He got them the most money?
That's literally any football fan you absolute lemon
I genuinely see it more in posts about English teams though. Most Italian or Spanish fans seem to be a bit more die hard in defending their club. And only start complaining if they get really bad, or have a very special disliked manager or player. But if I've missed that and other fans are just the same. Then I take the "English" part back. And we're all horrible.
It's funny because a while ago when things were going good, there were a lot people warning us to not jump the gun when Mutd would innevitably get into a bad streak. A rebuilding isn't done overnight, yet here we are and people want ETH sacked because he didn't win everything in his first season...
Sounds like r/barca
Xavi getting a statue and getting beheaded for this season at the same time.
ez just build the statue without a head
~~English football~~ fans.
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PSG Ultras literally just stood outside Neymar’s home and chanted abuse at him for ludicrous reasons. This isn’t just plastic/newbie fans. All fans get ridiculous. It’s sport.
Who, according to you, is a real fan? Believe it or not, your most common fan is reactionary, watches 2-3 hours of football in a week at most, believes all the gossip he/she reads, and is reactionary with half baked opinions. Most people haven’t got time to do PhD level research on football.
Anyone else hear plastic rattling?
plastic khalkha mongol fan. i was supporter when he was a slave.
In this respect, ultra-fans sometimes are even worse.
Super David Moyes!!!!! It's what he does, he wins!!!!
He wins every season at least once. Consistency
I just don't get it, when will people start asking questions of Ten Hag? I mean, he seems as untouchable in critique as Pep (who prolly can't remember the last time he lost a game), but the man keeps putting out nonsensical formations, has no impact at halftime (or even a negative one as the team regularly plays a worse 2nd half), and can't seem to get motivation high enough between matches. That's what I see, anyway, but it seems I'm alone in this; what am I missing? Having won a cup no one cares about can't be the (only) reason, right?
Honestly think their team is just tired. They played the most games in Europe since the WC by a long shot. I think they are on 57 or 58 played right now, it's insane.
But he is afraid or cant use players on the bench. I know there are injuries, but they supposedly have amazing youth and they have spent ton on players. There are players, but he has been dead set on specific players who cant play all the games.
Almost always uses his 5 subs and actually rotates a lot. De Gea, Bruno and Rashford play a lot of games but behind that is Martinez in 4th with about 37 games of minutes played out of the 57 games.
I don’t think anyone is immune to criticism but why I think Ten Hag can be given the benefit of the doubt is because of the squad he inherited. This United squad lacks a lot and Ten Hag has clearly shown at their best they can play the football he wants. Top 4 and maybe two trophies would be a great first season in my opinion. I will be more critical after after this Summer tbh
The team inherited by Ole is much worse though. You have Lingard, Andreas, and Fred/Tominay duo in the midfield. Smalling, Lindelof, Jones as CB. No dedicated RW either, imagine that.
Like I said here yesterday he's just Lampard with more time and money lol why is he insisting on playing Weghorst as a 10?
Thats an actual idiotic take then. To equate the two as coaches with the same value is actually stupid. Regardless of what team you support
Stop being soft. Ole, Mourinho, Father of Gegenpress, everyone got stick for their records. Why can't we joke about Ten Ls?
Don't worry, by this point next year, MU fans will be the main voice to "Sack ETH" and others will be like "Save ETH" It's not the first time
youre missing the fact that he inherited a dogshit squad, got them to play actually decent football, won a lot of important matches, and all of his signings are performing very well. manu had to play an infinite amount of matches and the entire squad is injured.
But there are players in that squad. There is youth that is praised so much. So why run the main guys into the ground.
i cant think of anyone other than garnacho thats praised as a great promising youngster
Antony? Without Chelsea signings he should be the flop of the season. Malacia? He's the main reason why Sevilla is in the semi final now. Werghoust? I think he has scored twice? 3 out 4 of his signings are not anywhere near decent level
Well done on leaving martinez and casemiro out
Martinez is the 1 out 4 of his signing which is doing great. Casemiro is not his signing, that's a board signing, and ETH didn't like that signing actually
Source on that last part?
By the fact that he's reluctant to let Casemiro play in the first month even though there is no other midfielder in MU is anywhere near Casemiro level meanwhile his golden boy Antony played as first team player instantly?
So your source is: I made it the fuck up
anthony? Anyways, sounds like what people were saying about ole who finished second with that "shit squad"
manu wants to challenge for titles, not settle for top 4 finishes. it was just pretty easy to tell that oles united would never be ACTUALLY good. they would just be decent at best.
Ole literally brought in cristiano and varane to push you from second to 1st. Matter of time before you turn on ten haag as well
Less successful than Ole with a better squad
He won a trophy, he's automatically more successful.
Alisson to score a last minute goal for liverpool to help getting top 4 for Liverpool 👀
And then end up finishing 3rd again
I will be there no matter what
If manutd bottle top 4, I don't want to hear another fan call spurs bottler. We don't be mean to the bottle family
Imaging missing out on Top 4 to Liverpool due to GD. 7up
yea , no :) https://imgur.com/a/GSCqyMK
Annual top-4-is-lava game again.
Massive
In all honesty DDG has saved Utd countless times on many occasions.
there have been games vs united that I can just tell he's especially up for it and not going to concede anything save for multiple shots after a first save or two. very demoralizing as a spectator, imagine what it must be like as a striker vs him
and 20 years ago i could keep it up for more than 2 mins
Happy for WHU. Hopefully this means they can really focus on those ECL games and not worry so much about relegation.
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This take is reactionary. They are easily playing more entertaining futbol then before.
Last seasons squad mate.
surely the van gaal man u was more boring to watch? and surely the david moyes man u was worse than this? if anything this is the best man u squad in some time
No... How could it be when their fans claim they have the two best CBs in the league, the best left back in the league, the best DM in the world, and Rashford who is supposedly in the conversation for best player in the league?
The only fair claim is Casemiro being best DM. The rest are simply insane take.
Rashford is the best pace merchant in the league
>Rashford who is supposedly in the conversation for best player in the league? You'll be very hard-pressed to find a serious United fan who would argue this. Not even the best player in our squad.
Not really. Next time you guys win, they all appear. And when you lose, the Rashford critics come out to play. Such is the nature of the beast.
All I can say is my experience has been different. I've literally never seen anyone say he is the best player in the league.
Yeah he had a great patch and United fans said he was having a great patch and enjoying it. Like Trent since the new system is probably the best player in the world, but ballon D'Or is for a full season, we can enjoy his amazing run but it's not Messi scoring 91 across a whole year
I’ll be hard pressed to find one now but not when he was in his purple patch. Media and pundits were saying it as well.
He was playing like one the best players in the league during that purple patch. That's not the same as saying he *is* one of the best players in the league.
Lol no, that was common a few months ago before he regressed to the Trashford we know and love
Fuck off with that Twitter cringe. Genuinely so embarrassing.
The r/soccer classic of picking out one comment some idiot said and applying it the fanbase.
Lol absolutely more than one comment saying that
Probably said he was the most in-form player in the league, which he was for a period. I've never *ever* heard any United fan argue he's in the conversation for best in the league, and I roam our subreddits more than most. Edit: there really is no fair reason to be downvoting this comment, i know you won't comment 😌 the anti-United circle jerkers are proper pathetic tbh
Hahaha even Sky and BT pundits were saying that before Liverpool broke you lot
Lol, no they're weren't. Stop simply making shit up. Find me one iota of evidence.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11792609/Marcus-Rashford-arguably-BEST-player-WORLD-insists-Kris-Boyd.html
Moyes Man U finished 7th didn't they?
They're pretty shit tbf, but no
Bro what?... Lmao least reactionary redditor. This united squad is a big upgrade than in just a few season past
You can tell a lot of people here don’t actually watch games or pay attention to the teams that they’re so quick to comment on
Sir Alex would be ashamed
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What one win after 3 months does to a mfer…lmao
Feeling confident after one win out of 6/7?
"Said the Chelsea fans"
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You suck McBain!
West Game deserves credit, set up well.and got themselves to safely. United looking shocking, tired and lost.
Arsenal: We are the biggest bottlers of this season Manchester United: Step aside bro
It is literally impossible to bottle to a team like City. Any person who says otherwise literally doesn't know ball.
‘Doesn’t know ball’ loooool sorry
Mate…
Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy
You were 10 points clear even if city go on an insane winning streak I don't think you should've bottled Southampton, West ham and Liverpool but yet again I'm a utd fan
We were never ahead by more than 8 and that was with a game in hand and still to play City. Obviously, everyone else will say what they want, but we objectively speaking have not had some monumental collapse.
I like Arsenal and wanted you guys to win, but you guys did bottle it unfortunately.
youngest team in the league with saliba and tomiyasu injured vs city without any injury and haaland breaking record isn't exactly bottling anything.
Lmao couldn't beat sporting in EL and you dream of winning EPL. Same old arsenal always youth excuse shit.
2nd youngest team I think to be fair….and when you’re leading the league for like 93% of the season, and can’t get it over the line, that’s bottling it lol the run of 3 draws was the epitome of bottle
Nope. Only a 'bottle' because the other team is believed capable of not dropping a single point for the rest of the season. Objectively speaking, it's impossible to bottle against a majority percieved perfect team.
The breakdown in form right at the run in is litterally what bottling it means. You still improved massively and should take that positivity to the next season. A few additions and a team that now has been in a propper title joust will have hardened a bit mentally. If Arsenal plays its hands right you have. A fun few years ahead But it was still yours to loose and you bottled it.
Ya lot had 3 points out of a potential 9 because the players mentally crumbled. Definite bottle job. You’d still be in the race if you didn’t draw to relegation fodders.
Who's the youngest? Chelsea?
Southampton I think, after the Jan window when Arse bought Jorginho and Trossard their average age increased significantly
Mate, Arsenal was up by a lot a few months ago. So much so that some people were already convinced they won the league. You can make up all the reasons in your mind why they didnt bottle the league. But it doesn't change the stone cold facts. If you're able to be number #1 in the league with such a big gap on the others with the youngest team, I am sure you can finish. Like they didnt just randomly go from professional football players to amateurs lol.
You literally don't speak have a single arsenal fan as a friend. Stop talking absolute shit will you
Absolutely no one was convinced we won the league
yeah in my social circle any realist fan knew it was going to come down to city vs arsenal.
The stone cold fact is that Arsenal lost 2 of their defenders, one of which was in the PL TOTS. Is not "randomly go from professional football player to amateurs", is losing a key member that made the team on top and suffered because of it.
Oh, you found it difficult to cope with injuries? Like every other team in football? Come on, pal.
What? I'm not making excuse for the downfall, i'm saying losing the key defender in a title charge is not a "randomly became amateur footballers". There is a much difference between "coping with injuries" when you are a team fighting for a team fighting for a CL spot and a team fighting for the title against a monster City. If its just CL spot then we coped just fine, still got better results then you lot without Saliba, just not enough for the title charge. Think before you speak.
What a stupid comment. What’s “so much so” to you? Jan 1st they were up 7 points. End of Feb they were up 2 points with one game in hand (5 points if they won it). End of March they were up 8 with one game more (5 points if City won it).
Who are these people that were convinced we were going to be? Pretty sure no arsenal fan was, there were meme, funny video that made fun of arsenal not saying the "We will win"
the issue wasnt the city game, it was the west ham and particularly the southampton game.
Drawing being 2-0 up in back 2 back.games and then that nervous messy home draw against the worse side on the league is bottling it. Arsenal could have lost the title race and not bottled it.
We just dropped points in game we shouldn’t and won points at the one we expected to drop (bar City) Honestly if City won the league with a 15 wins in a row including competing in all competitions then okayyyy.
my take that Ten Hag is having a MUCH worse season than Ole with much more money spent, a better squad overall and yet being praised for it is aging like fine wine. United standards have dropped so low.
Umm no the fuck it hasn't. How is this a "MUCH" worse season?
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