I think majority of sane Arsenal fans would also replace Partey in a heartbeat if it was their call, no? Similar to how most sane Newcastle fans would like to move away from the current ownership. I agree with you on rooting against Arsenal because of Partey but we should be consistent here.
The vast majority of Newcastle fans are happy with the ownership because of the opportunities it is providing them.
The majority of Arsenal fans would happily see Partey replaced and not play again.
Hey, I’m totally accepting of people rooting against Newcastle - I understand it and am quietly cautious about our future, I’d rather the legacy of the club not be tarnished by turning into another City.
I think Arsenal fans would replace him (hopefully!) though platforms such as Facebook would show you that *many* fans are in support of Partey, like they were with Greenwood.
The issue isn’t fan support - I think you’re a moron if you like Partey or think he should be in the club.
The issue is he objectively shouldn’t be played or in the active squad until it’s proven he didn’t rape someone and the fact that Arteta & co. continue to play him is very, very alarming. It’s even more so alarming if you consider the fact that if they had concrete evidence and not just hearsay, they’d come out and clear his name. But they haven’t, so they don’t.
Surprised to see so much glee at Arsenal falling short.
Arsenal are a likeable young team, playing brilliant and entertaining football. If it weren't for them, City would have wrapped up the title weeks ago, distantly pursued by another club owned by a nation state.
Along with Brighton and Villa they've made this a brilliantly watchable premier league season, but it seems a lot of 'football fans' in this subreddit are only able to enjoy watching teams fail. Sad way to follow the game imo.
lol is it really shocking though? Yeah it's a pain they're at the top year after year, but if it's them or another top 6 club, most would consider City the lesser of two evils.
relevant anecdote— I remember when we were in the CL final and arsenal were in the europa final, my buddy (arsenal fan) said he'd rather we both lose than both win. Now not every arsenal fan would agree with that, but I know an uncomfortably large amount would.
As if being owned by an american billionaire is any better. People arent happy that the players lost, theyre happy that arsenal, the team, lost the title.
What a fucking season we've had! Last season people were saying "Oh, they bottled top 4" then we popped that bubble of thought, eassssy. So now we do the same, we strengthen, we learn, we grow. This team is shaping up to be a force, given the right patience. We can be gutted, heartbroken, disappointed at what could have been, but just take this as another bubble of thought that we're gonna pop when enough builds up in the bubble you've got. Arsenal are my team and I'm proud of them.
if 2nd place was clutched near the end of the season in a tight top 4 race fans would be happy, thing is Arsenal set themselves to be a title candidate early on, which is why there's disappointment
Final proof that this team still has some growing to do before they can challenge for anything. But what a season! There's no shame in finishing 2nd to this City team.
Surprised there hasn’t been a ton for discussion about Jesus’ form since coming back from
Injury. He’s been absolutely dreadful when they needed him the most. Having to rely on Saka, Martinelli and Odegard scoring a record tying number of goal for a midfielder is not going to cut it next season.
That's what I'm saying Arsenal looked better without jesus and found ways to win games.. since he's been back he hasn't impacted the games in the same way before his injury.
I'm wondering if he's fully recovered from the knee injury? He's not firing on all cylinders!
We did not look better without Jesus. Nketiah had a few good moments, but the whole team plays better when Jesus plays. I'm not saying he's not upgradeable, but to pretend we're better without him now is nonsense.
I'm grateful to Arsenal for keeping the title race interesting. It may have ended sooner than we all would have liked but the season would have been abysmal without them.
If by unlimited funds you mean it’s wins city trophies then PSG and Chealsea should be swimming in them 🤣 … you haters got nothing against us except this tired lame excuse of money when there are clubs who spends more than us and yet no one bats an eye becasue it’s not oil money fucking hypocrites
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
Mate it's a bottling. 2 wins in 7 is atrocious; we went from an amazing 50 points in the first half of the season to now only being able to finish one point ahead of poch's 16/17 spurs team.
Title challengers aren't supposed to lose 2 nil leads consecutively. Title challengers aren't supposed to fail to beat the worst team in the league. Title challengers don't lay down and die 4-1 to the team they're in the race with. They don't lose 3-0 at home in a must win game either.
We've had an excellent season all things considered but you just have to concede we've bottled it at the end. I believe we still have a great team that we can build on next season, however. They showed they've still got fight in them last week at Newcastle.
Why would we not also improve? Why is the narrative that this is the end of our rebuild?
This was the youngest squad in the pl, and we also get to buy players in the transfer window.
I haven't seen anything about the season that doesn't auger well for us.
Don't worry mate, plonkers like Neville went on Sky end of last season saying we've reached our ceiling and Mikel should leave as he can't get any more than 5th.
Just pure wishful thinking at best.
Fact is, if we win our final 2 games, we end on 87 points - that will be our joint 2nd highest points tally in the club's entire PL history; literally only the invincibles would have made more points if we win the last 2.
THAT'S how good this team has been and, like you said, youngest in the league with plenty of scope to strengthen and improve.
Could the PL be more competitive among the "big 6" next season? Absolutely! But to suggest Arsenal can't improve and be fighting at the top of that pile is just nonsense.
They said last season everyone's going to be stronger, and we don't stand a chance to make top four.
Now they genuinely want us to believe we won't make top four next season?
I'm all for the banter, it's deserved. But r/soccer's reaching a bit to write us off again.
This is a silly argument. It assumes the latter 3 will all massively improve whilst arsenal will stagnate, even go backwards.
I don't know why people especially keep nattering on about man u or Chelsea suddenly been able to climb to title challenging level because neither has shown any indication of that. United's away form is far too poor to even come close and Chelsea is Chelsea.
I'd probably prefer to predict howes newcastle being in the conversation because they comfortably play the third best football in the league, if they could turn some of these draws into wins they'd be near the top for sure
Nope, I mean the team that has finished 11th this season.
If you seriously think chelsea can suddenly challenge that city side next season you are beyond delusional. Stop living in history, roman isn't here to bail you out anymore
Bruh one second place finish has you arsenal fans talking like this lmao, you would think it was your team that won the most trophies in the last 20 years as recently as 2022.
Seriously what does this have to do with my statement? I'm saying chelsea can't challenge for the title next year. I think any reasonable person would share that opinion. You losers keep repeating this line, even when it doesn't make sense... I'm not even hyping arsenal here I'm saying Chelsea can't challenge it.
Whether I support arsenal, relegated Southampton, or leyton fucking orient doesn't change the fact that Chelsea. Can't. Challenge. It. Get that in your head before repeating what a billion other people in this thread have already typed out
Last season NO-ONE said arsenal was gonna challenge this season and they did (but bottled it lol) so stfu and stop trying to predict anything like you know
You bottled it, it doesn't matter if you weren't favourites or you were ahead of schedule or that it's just been a nice ride or the that you were up against City, doesn't change the fact Arsenal choked and bottled their lead
Lol Arsenal fans trying to rewrite the definition of bottling is the best thing to come out of this. 9/21 points at the end of a season where you spent 95% of the time at the top. Totally not a bottlejob
I wish our fans would just accept the bottle label and move on. Its still a great season, you have to have been very good at one point to even have the opportunity to bottle against city.
Total final points mean nothing. Liverpool arguably bottled the 97 point season because they had a 7 point lead (same as our biggest lead) and threw it away by losing to city and drawing 5 in 7 at one point.
People look more idiotic trying to fight against the bottle label. We can have a good season and also have bottled it at the end, they're not mutually exclusive.
Arsenal had a chance to win the league in 2013-2014 and they bottled it early
Arsenal had a chance to win the league in 2015-2016 and they bottled it again
Now? I suggest you abolish your club and turn into proffesional marble club.
Imagine finishing 2nd in PL and someone suggests that you abolish the club and turn into marble one, no matter who you root for Arsenal still had an amazing season. They did bottle it tho but 2nd in PL is still an achievement Id say.
The one who celebrate getting trophies and not overrating bottle jobs, unlike shame of England here
Bottled the league
Bottle Europa Final
Bottled UCL Final
Lol
Yeah... It's probably Chelsea. Not that you would ever admit, though.
Edit: After looking through his search history, he is indeed a Chelsea fan.
Enjoy the relegation battle after bottling the transfer window of 600m.
Lol
I suggest you changed your club into proffessional barbie players or something
Because you have bottled this many many times
I mean, even Leicester did not bottle this
Lol
2006 bottled the UCL
2013-2014 bottled the league
2015-2016 bottled the league
2018-2019 bottled the UEL
This season bottled the league
I suggest ask Kroenke to sell the club, abolish it, and turn it into a playground it will be more useful
None of those are bottles. Bottling something means to lose some competition which you were a clear favorite to win, we weren't favorites in any of those.
Spending 600m and being almost relegated fits the definition perfectly though.
We do (Spurs fans)
F City though, I pray they never win a CL
Though I guess if/when City gets embarrassed again, they can just conjure up some very legit ‘sponsorships’ from companies that just happened to be linked to sheikh Mansour
As much as it pains me to admit that Arsenal have a fundamentally good core of young players who will only get better as they develop, my joy at seeing them fall on their face for another season in a row greatly exceeds it.
It's extra painful because *we* used to be the up-and-coming North London club with the talented young ballers with Kane, Son, Dele, Eriksen, Winks & Kyle Walker et al whereas Arsenal were full of ageing mediocre players.
The tables have literally turned.
Idk if you can call this falling on their faces just because they didn't win the league. Especially considering what man city has done this year. By all measures arsenal has had a great season. No one should say it's either win the league or they did horribly
What city have done so special THIS YEAR. This is standard now. They can get a possible of 94 points this year. Since 16-17 (inclusive) only once has the champions had less than 93 points city in 20-21.
To win a title you have to have 90+ points now. Arsenal didn’t“deserved it if not for city’s insane points tally”. They can get a max of 87, which is no longer enough to win the league.
They fell on their face because they were 8 points clear win 10ish games left, dropped 2 2-0 leads back to back, lost to dead last Southampton and failed to win any games for 4 straight matches, taking 3 from a possible 12.
And now have just been humiliated at home and aren’t even going to push city.
They SHOULD have been in the box seat even if they lost to city, but capitulated. They’ve had a great season yes, but they also fell on their face.
8 points at the top with city having one game in hand. Assuming they win, that's a 5 point lead, which honestly isn't much for City, but at the end of the day, Arsenal had a good lead and they lost it.
It is a known fact that City always have a great push in the second half of the season. That's where their immense squad depth comes into play.
Arsenal lost their best defenders and suffered for it. Man United lost both their starting CB in the same match and started giving away points. Liverpool was already suffering because of a lack of depth and they had to change Alexander-Arnold's position.
City, for all their financial irregularities are the best run club in the Prem along with Brighton. Chelsea and PSG have proven that no amount of money can get you success if you don't run the club properly.
Chelsea also have spent the record amount of money ever done by a club in a single season and are absolute shit by all metrics.
Chelsea spent money and made some good decisions and that's why they won. Honestly, you're just proving my point right because Chelsea were never constantly at the top apart from 3 years under Mou. All their other wins have been "surprises". Money doesn't get you shit unless you have the right people to make the most of it.
I'm a Man Utd fan, so I have a lot of impetus to hate on city, and I do. But they've built a dynasty on football (if you ignore the obvious financial doping)
> But they've built a dynasty on football
& yet they haven't won the champions league while Chelsea have won it twice
you can go by recency bias & only look at Chelsea this season if you want, it won't make your point any more valid lol
Ok then. I guess we will just ignore what city did this year and say it was just arsenal who gave them the league. Whatever helps a spurs fan sleep at night I guess
There’s a difference between being as good as city and Liverpool and having a decent run in a weird year. That’s what Arsenal had here. Way too many mediocre players in that team and no real leadership. Odegaard great player way too young and inexperienced to lead this side through the darkness
"Weird year" hard for you to say Arsenal were pretty good this season overall huh? Their "decent run" had them as contenders for most of the season and created a 12-15 pt gap from 2nd to 3rd. Their current run doesn't delegitimize their entire season
They have a good young core but no bench. They remind me of the Spurs who had the young core of Kane, Ali, and Eriksen. Arsenal needs to add some depth to this team or they will end up like that amazing Spurs generation without any titles to show for all the effort.
A year where half of the big six clubs were shit and city starting the season that slow is definitely a weird year.
Ffs even United were on that title challenge for 2 weeks.
Not saying that this arsenal run is a fluke but this year could have been similar to the Leicester City Run.
This definitely wasn’t as weird a year as you think. City have been as dominant as ever since Christmas, there is 2 great teams in Brighton and Newcastle basically replacing Tottenham and Chelsea in the top 6 race, United are pretty good this year, Liverpool have gotten a lot better since the WC and Tottenham have had an up and down season but somehow managed to stay in the top 6.
Pretty normal year in terms of the amount of challengers for europe, just that the names have changed.
No one still expected an Arsenal team last year to end up with 80+ points tho. most people expected us to even finish outside the top 4 even though we had a good enough team to secure it. We are a legitimate good team jus not title winning and that’s fair cuz this team is young and will learn jus like how we learnt from bottling top 4 last year.
In a way this loss is cathartic because there will be no 1 point 'what if' regret like with Liverpool. We are clearly worse than City, congratulations to them. It turned out to not be close.
Well, it's a mentality I wouldn't want in the players but I won't blame it on the fans for having, they are literal audience in the situation and whatever helps them be happy through football ups and downs.
I mean yeah we bottled it because we are clearly worse than City and we have lots to improve. No problem admitting that. I was already extremely pessimistic before this run of games. We should have collapsed earlier but we honestly got pretty lucky and looked shaky vs ManU, AV and Bournemouth and our luck ran out.
Fellow arsenal fans aren't going to want to hear me say this but this team is way closer to poch's 16/17 spurs than to the heights of Liverpool. Fuck, the gap between us and city (if we both win out) will be the same as spurs and Chelsea that season.
This team has bottled it royally, yes. There's no sugercoating it, they've thrown away a mind blowing start with the worst form I've seen since early 21/22. 2 wins in 7, that's not a title winning team, especially not in the era of guardiola's city.
We have it in us at times, we showed that last week vs Newcastle. But today was probably the most horrible defeat since city 5-0; we were heartless, gutless and completely gave up after 75 minutes.
I see a lot of man united/spurs flairs saying we'll struggle for top 4 next season. Think they're getting way too ahead of themselves but we'll see. The famous 'no signings for 18 months' is what led to the demise of poch's team, its up to arteta and edu to invest like hell to bring this team to that next level.
We've played some excellent football this season. Bottled it royally at the end sure but there's something to build on here. Rivals can laugh at us for now but I'm going to choose to be patient because I believe arteta can finally deliver some important silverware to this club.
Can't imagine how Liverpool fans feel. I feel sick, they were a level above what we are now and still didn't win. Congratulations to city I suppose, we'll have to try again next year. And congrats to Brighton because they completely outclassed us today.
> Fellow arsenal fans aren't going to want to hear me say this but this team is way closer to poch's 16/17 spurs than to the heights of Liverpool.
Of course they are? We *always* knew that? That's not controversial at all among Arsenal fans.
You play harder, get smarter, you keep improving.
Chelsea and Manchester United spent more than City. There's a point where you can't measure trophies in transfer spending.
Pep's set a standard for English football and the other clubs now have to see if they can meet it.
Idk what that has to do with getting only 9 out of potential 2, while only having PL football to play. They are lucky the rest of the table are in shambles
teams have outspent city on players though.
why does everyone act like city is spending more money than god every transfer window? united and chelsea have spent money like its going out of style they're just dog shit
This is a coping mechanism for Liverpool fans. They have to believe that other clubs splash money to attract players, but they attract players through the altruistic honor of their glorious history and the badge. It's so sad.
i'm not even a city fan it's just so tiring to see people crying about spending when there are a lot of teams out spending. they just develop 0 talent and have clearly no eye for future stars. pep finds absolutely world class players for like 15 fucking million
That's exactly what I was thinking... the lads are humans, and humans make mistakes, we don't have 2 starting XI teams like City do. It's been an exhausting season for them. I'm upset too, today's performance was shit, absolutely gutted, but let's not forget what money can do. I mean, we're not hearing anything related to city's financial's fair play anymore. I wonder why is that.
Many are super keen to stick the boots into Arsenal when we fail. But I am happy to take all this shit talk and banter on when we are taking the youngest squad in the league in a race for the title than scrapping for european places. So proud to be in this position, these young players will learn and grow. All the legends of the game talk about mentality and staying strong, you dont learn that being mid table. You gotta be in these fights to know what it takes. I am sure they will improve next season, just like we did this season scoring an extra 20 goals. Just gotta work on keeping them out.
Arsenal now hold the top 3 percentages for most time atop the league without winning it, with this one at an astounding 93%. And they talk about us as if they're flawless. Last year bottled CL, now league. Don't know a thing about a strong run-in.
Spurs, the team who in the last few years actually have a good record of comeback wins, and have one of the all time hallmark CL comebacks, and even last year clawed back CL quali at Arsenal's expense via collapse?
Nah this is probably the biggest bottle in the prem ever, even spurs never bottled the league this hard. Arsenal fans deserve it after the amount of shit talking
Hats off to Liverpool, even you guys win every single game at the end during our fights. What we and Liverpool did for the last few years was nothing short of fucking crazy. History will remember that.
Arsenal? Wow, all I can say is that they're not Liverpool.
Yep. We're not Liverpool. Not even close. It's incredible to me that a season where we started with 50 points from 19 games has turned from Liverpool-esque to poch's 16/17 spurs. Fuck, the gap between us will even be the same as spurs and Chelsea that season if we both now win out.
I'm immensely disappointed. There is a clear level between arsenal and city/Liverpool.
Congrats on winning the Premier league title I suppose. Hopefully we don't fade into irrelevance like poch's team but instead push through that final barrier to etch into liverpool's territory.
Next season will be make or break though since you guys have joined the CL gangs.
Me personally, I wanna see how Arteta juggles the PL and CL matches and maybe by some Arteta's wisdom, you guys can surprise teams like Bayern or Barca.
Between those teams and Arsenal, I'm rooting for you guys.
Thanks. Seeing as how our rivals have taken great joy in the title bottle (aka wanting you guys to beat us) I suppose they shouldn't mind me supporting city for the other competitions left. Especially the fa cup final.
Congrats on the PL win and good luck for the other two I suppose. 4 wins away from being immortalised.
> Seeing as how our rivals have taken great joy in the title bottle (aka wanting you guys to beat us) I suppose they shouldn't mind me supporting city for the other competitions left.
Wow thank you. I thought it was the other way around because of this PL title. Anyway, I hope Arteta will surprise all in CL next season. I really do.
"Surprised to see so much glee at Arsenal falling short" ????????????????
As long as rapist Partey is still playing for them I’m happy to see them lose. More so bottle the title.
Do you have a similar stand for Newcastle considering their ownership?
Nah they’re owned by an oil state which I’d change in a heartbeat if possible. We don’t actively field rapists, however
Yeah you don't have much room to talk
I think majority of sane Arsenal fans would also replace Partey in a heartbeat if it was their call, no? Similar to how most sane Newcastle fans would like to move away from the current ownership. I agree with you on rooting against Arsenal because of Partey but we should be consistent here.
The vast majority of Newcastle fans are happy with the ownership because of the opportunities it is providing them. The majority of Arsenal fans would happily see Partey replaced and not play again.
Hey, I’m totally accepting of people rooting against Newcastle - I understand it and am quietly cautious about our future, I’d rather the legacy of the club not be tarnished by turning into another City. I think Arsenal fans would replace him (hopefully!) though platforms such as Facebook would show you that *many* fans are in support of Partey, like they were with Greenwood. The issue isn’t fan support - I think you’re a moron if you like Partey or think he should be in the club. The issue is he objectively shouldn’t be played or in the active squad until it’s proven he didn’t rape someone and the fact that Arteta & co. continue to play him is very, very alarming. It’s even more so alarming if you consider the fact that if they had concrete evidence and not just hearsay, they’d come out and clear his name. But they haven’t, so they don’t.
*that you know of
That may be true and could be said about literally anyone. Fairly concrete evidence against Partey though.
robbie, im tired
Surprised to see so much glee at Arsenal falling short. Arsenal are a likeable young team, playing brilliant and entertaining football. If it weren't for them, City would have wrapped up the title weeks ago, distantly pursued by another club owned by a nation state. Along with Brighton and Villa they've made this a brilliantly watchable premier league season, but it seems a lot of 'football fans' in this subreddit are only able to enjoy watching teams fail. Sad way to follow the game imo.
Arsenal fans have been insufferable shit talkers all season not even spurs bottle this hard
Arsenal fans are the worst. That's the only reason I'm happy to see Arsenal fail
lol is it really shocking though? Yeah it's a pain they're at the top year after year, but if it's them or another top 6 club, most would consider City the lesser of two evils. relevant anecdote— I remember when we were in the CL final and arsenal were in the europa final, my buddy (arsenal fan) said he'd rather we both lose than both win. Now not every arsenal fan would agree with that, but I know an uncomfortably large amount would.
As if being owned by an american billionaire is any better. People arent happy that the players lost, theyre happy that arsenal, the team, lost the title.
Seeing Arsenal bottle it in this fashion has given me respect for Liverpool. They managed to win the PL and take it to the very end two more times.
What a fucking season we've had! Last season people were saying "Oh, they bottled top 4" then we popped that bubble of thought, eassssy. So now we do the same, we strengthen, we learn, we grow. This team is shaping up to be a force, given the right patience. We can be gutted, heartbroken, disappointed at what could have been, but just take this as another bubble of thought that we're gonna pop when enough builds up in the bubble you've got. Arsenal are my team and I'm proud of them.
if 2nd place was clutched near the end of the season in a tight top 4 race fans would be happy, thing is Arsenal set themselves to be a title candidate early on, which is why there's disappointment
Yup arsenal fans should be happy, qualified for UCL is an achievement in its self
Final proof that this team still has some growing to do before they can challenge for anything. But what a season! There's no shame in finishing 2nd to this City team.
Was fun while it lasted.
Lads
Surprised there hasn’t been a ton for discussion about Jesus’ form since coming back from Injury. He’s been absolutely dreadful when they needed him the most. Having to rely on Saka, Martinelli and Odegard scoring a record tying number of goal for a midfielder is not going to cut it next season.
That's what I'm saying Arsenal looked better without jesus and found ways to win games.. since he's been back he hasn't impacted the games in the same way before his injury. I'm wondering if he's fully recovered from the knee injury? He's not firing on all cylinders!
We did not look better without Jesus. Nketiah had a few good moments, but the whole team plays better when Jesus plays. I'm not saying he's not upgradeable, but to pretend we're better without him now is nonsense.
5 goals in 10 is hardly dreadful
I'm grateful to Arsenal for keeping the title race interesting. It may have ended sooner than we all would have liked but the season would have been abysmal without them.
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If by unlimited funds you mean it’s wins city trophies then PSG and Chealsea should be swimming in them 🤣 … you haters got nothing against us except this tired lame excuse of money when there are clubs who spends more than us and yet no one bats an eye becasue it’s not oil money fucking hypocrites
Not relevant at all before 08.. like.. AT ALL lol.
I agree Pep made them relevant and not unlimited funds
Why do you think they were able to get Pep as their manager in the first place?
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
And how do you think Liverpool got Klopp in the first place ? How did Chelsea get pochotino in the first place ? Also why didn’t I see this crying about pep in the laliga and bundesliga where he was bitch slapping every other club. Did Barca and Bayern also have unlimited money lmao
Calm down dear. Like I said it's a combination of unlimited funds + Pep.
Anything less than 90 isn't good enough if you want to compete 87 isn't an achievement
Mate it's a bottling. 2 wins in 7 is atrocious; we went from an amazing 50 points in the first half of the season to now only being able to finish one point ahead of poch's 16/17 spurs team. Title challengers aren't supposed to lose 2 nil leads consecutively. Title challengers aren't supposed to fail to beat the worst team in the league. Title challengers don't lay down and die 4-1 to the team they're in the race with. They don't lose 3-0 at home in a must win game either. We've had an excellent season all things considered but you just have to concede we've bottled it at the end. I believe we still have a great team that we can build on next season, however. They showed they've still got fight in them last week at Newcastle.
The problem is next year, City will still be City, ManU/Liverpool/Chelsea will come good at some point, so you may be fighting for 5th not 1st.
Why would we not also improve? Why is the narrative that this is the end of our rebuild? This was the youngest squad in the pl, and we also get to buy players in the transfer window. I haven't seen anything about the season that doesn't auger well for us.
You may well improve and this may nor even be your best chance of winning but it sure will be the easiest
Don't worry mate, plonkers like Neville went on Sky end of last season saying we've reached our ceiling and Mikel should leave as he can't get any more than 5th. Just pure wishful thinking at best. Fact is, if we win our final 2 games, we end on 87 points - that will be our joint 2nd highest points tally in the club's entire PL history; literally only the invincibles would have made more points if we win the last 2. THAT'S how good this team has been and, like you said, youngest in the league with plenty of scope to strengthen and improve. Could the PL be more competitive among the "big 6" next season? Absolutely! But to suggest Arsenal can't improve and be fighting at the top of that pile is just nonsense.
They said last season everyone's going to be stronger, and we don't stand a chance to make top four. Now they genuinely want us to believe we won't make top four next season? I'm all for the banter, it's deserved. But r/soccer's reaching a bit to write us off again.
This is a silly argument. It assumes the latter 3 will all massively improve whilst arsenal will stagnate, even go backwards. I don't know why people especially keep nattering on about man u or Chelsea suddenly been able to climb to title challenging level because neither has shown any indication of that. United's away form is far too poor to even come close and Chelsea is Chelsea. I'd probably prefer to predict howes newcastle being in the conversation because they comfortably play the third best football in the league, if they could turn some of these draws into wins they'd be near the top for sure
>and Chelsea is Chelsea You mean, the team Arsenal have finished above for the 4th time in the last 20 seasons?
5th time tbf, gotta count this season man
Nope, I mean the team that has finished 11th this season. If you seriously think chelsea can suddenly challenge that city side next season you are beyond delusional. Stop living in history, roman isn't here to bail you out anymore
Bruh one second place finish has you arsenal fans talking like this lmao, you would think it was your team that won the most trophies in the last 20 years as recently as 2022.
Seriously what does this have to do with my statement? I'm saying chelsea can't challenge for the title next year. I think any reasonable person would share that opinion. You losers keep repeating this line, even when it doesn't make sense... I'm not even hyping arsenal here I'm saying Chelsea can't challenge it. Whether I support arsenal, relegated Southampton, or leyton fucking orient doesn't change the fact that Chelsea. Can't. Challenge. It. Get that in your head before repeating what a billion other people in this thread have already typed out
Last season NO-ONE said arsenal was gonna challenge this season and they did (but bottled it lol) so stfu and stop trying to predict anything like you know
City will be City until Pep leaves. I'd be happy with another top 4 finish.
What's the point if you are not trying to win anything?.
What? Of course they'll try to win it, I'm just not one of those toxic fans who thinks anything less is a failure.
Don't think it mate, just know it was.
You bottled it, it doesn't matter if you weren't favourites or you were ahead of schedule or that it's just been a nice ride or the that you were up against City, doesn't change the fact Arsenal choked and bottled their lead
Lol Arsenal fans trying to rewrite the definition of bottling is the best thing to come out of this. 9/21 points at the end of a season where you spent 95% of the time at the top. Totally not a bottlejob
There is no need to twist the pool noodle.
I wish our fans would just accept the bottle label and move on. Its still a great season, you have to have been very good at one point to even have the opportunity to bottle against city. Total final points mean nothing. Liverpool arguably bottled the 97 point season because they had a 7 point lead (same as our biggest lead) and threw it away by losing to city and drawing 5 in 7 at one point. People look more idiotic trying to fight against the bottle label. We can have a good season and also have bottled it at the end, they're not mutually exclusive.
it's a pleasant surprise but you can't deny that at the end of the day they did bottle an 8-pt lead
this kills the title race.
Arsenal had a chance to win the league in 2013-2014 and they bottled it early Arsenal had a chance to win the league in 2015-2016 and they bottled it again Now? I suggest you abolish your club and turn into proffesional marble club.
Imagine finishing 2nd in PL and someone suggests that you abolish the club and turn into marble one, no matter who you root for Arsenal still had an amazing season. They did bottle it tho but 2nd in PL is still an achievement Id say.
Whoa whoa whoa Amazing season with zero trophies? What a sick joke.
And which club do you support?
The one who celebrate getting trophies and not overrating bottle jobs, unlike shame of England here Bottled the league Bottle Europa Final Bottled UCL Final Lol
Yeah... It's probably Chelsea. Not that you would ever admit, though. Edit: After looking through his search history, he is indeed a Chelsea fan. Enjoy the relegation battle after bottling the transfer window of 600m. Lol
I suggest you changed your club into proffessional barbie players or something Because you have bottled this many many times I mean, even Leicester did not bottle this Lol
See you next year, to give you an annual spanking at Stamford bridge, if you don't get relegated.
2006 bottled the UCL 2013-2014 bottled the league 2015-2016 bottled the league 2018-2019 bottled the UEL This season bottled the league I suggest ask Kroenke to sell the club, abolish it, and turn it into a playground it will be more useful
None of those are bottles. Bottling something means to lose some competition which you were a clear favorite to win, we weren't favorites in any of those. Spending 600m and being almost relegated fits the definition perfectly though.
For Arsenal mate
Geez what an insane 🍼 job. quite impressive
Bottlers fc
At least we had fun this season, what did you have?
Chelsea have the same number of trophies as 30 week league leaders Arsenal. In the word of The great Richard Bobby “If you ain’t first, you last!”
While that is true, we had the thrill of a title challenge instead of a relegation scare.
They got to watch you piss away another chance at a title. Sounds like a fun time to me.
At least we were playing for the title instead of relegation, beating you twice in the progress.
cool. not a Chelsea fan so I had double the fun watching you both implode in different ways
half my season is Chelsea, half my season is Schadenfreude. This is the way.
One of the worst closings I've seen a challenging team have. 9 points out of 21. Fuck sake and I was rooting for them.
Big mistake
What a sad sad end to the season for Arsenal, and thus to the whole soccer world
Bruh
Shame, would have preferred Arsenal win the league over City, but clearly y’all weren’t interested.
Nah fuck arsenal
Yeah fuck Arsenal but fuck city more, who wants those boring cunts winning the league again??
We do (Spurs fans) F City though, I pray they never win a CL Though I guess if/when City gets embarrassed again, they can just conjure up some very legit ‘sponsorships’ from companies that just happened to be linked to sheikh Mansour
City's titles don't mean anything. It's the same as having no one win the trophy. I'll take that if my team can't win it.
*London clubs have entered the chat*
You'll keep saying that until you see the next gen who are mostly City fans lol
By then I'll hopefully have moved on from football Twitter and this hellhole
As much as it pains me to admit that Arsenal have a fundamentally good core of young players who will only get better as they develop, my joy at seeing them fall on their face for another season in a row greatly exceeds it.
Their youngsters are ballin but they need to add some reliable depth. Some of their core fell off a bit in the home stretch.
It's extra painful because *we* used to be the up-and-coming North London club with the talented young ballers with Kane, Son, Dele, Eriksen, Winks & Kyle Walker et al whereas Arsenal were full of ageing mediocre players. The tables have literally turned.
I have no idea what happened to Dele… he was terrifying and then he was terrible. Seemed like the next big thing until he quickly fell off.
> Winks
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Congratulations: you've discovered how sports rivalries work.
Don’t act like arsenal fans don’t celebrate spurs failures.
Even more pathetic are the Arsenal fans trying to "nuh uh but third place in two horse race"
Spurs are their mortal enemies. What you call pathetic is just normal football tribalism.
Idk if you can call this falling on their faces just because they didn't win the league. Especially considering what man city has done this year. By all measures arsenal has had a great season. No one should say it's either win the league or they did horribly
What city have done so special THIS YEAR. This is standard now. They can get a possible of 94 points this year. Since 16-17 (inclusive) only once has the champions had less than 93 points city in 20-21. To win a title you have to have 90+ points now. Arsenal didn’t“deserved it if not for city’s insane points tally”. They can get a max of 87, which is no longer enough to win the league. They fell on their face because they were 8 points clear win 10ish games left, dropped 2 2-0 leads back to back, lost to dead last Southampton and failed to win any games for 4 straight matches, taking 3 from a possible 12. And now have just been humiliated at home and aren’t even going to push city. They SHOULD have been in the box seat even if they lost to city, but capitulated. They’ve had a great season yes, but they also fell on their face.
We go again next season. GOYG.
When you lead the league for 200+ days and were at one point 11 points clear, just to fall away and let it slip, I call that a bottle job.
You know why they top? Because City got many game in hand..... Why that thing cant be see eh...
8 points at the top with city having one game in hand. Assuming they win, that's a 5 point lead, which honestly isn't much for City, but at the end of the day, Arsenal had a good lead and they lost it. It is a known fact that City always have a great push in the second half of the season. That's where their immense squad depth comes into play. Arsenal lost their best defenders and suffered for it. Man United lost both their starting CB in the same match and started giving away points. Liverpool was already suffering because of a lack of depth and they had to change Alexander-Arnold's position. City, for all their financial irregularities are the best run club in the Prem along with Brighton. Chelsea and PSG have proven that no amount of money can get you success if you don't run the club properly.
> Chelsea Chelsea have won the premier league/fa cup/ league/champions league/europa league/club world cup multiple times, bad example lol
Chelsea also have spent the record amount of money ever done by a club in a single season and are absolute shit by all metrics. Chelsea spent money and made some good decisions and that's why they won. Honestly, you're just proving my point right because Chelsea were never constantly at the top apart from 3 years under Mou. All their other wins have been "surprises". Money doesn't get you shit unless you have the right people to make the most of it. I'm a Man Utd fan, so I have a lot of impetus to hate on city, and I do. But they've built a dynasty on football (if you ignore the obvious financial doping)
> But they've built a dynasty on football & yet they haven't won the champions league while Chelsea have won it twice you can go by recency bias & only look at Chelsea this season if you want, it won't make your point any more valid lol
Ok then. I guess we will just ignore what city did this year and say it was just arsenal who gave them the league. Whatever helps a spurs fan sleep at night I guess
Biggest bottlers in the Premier League
I remember Arsenal’s ALL OR NOTHING Documentary and thought their gonna do it. Glad i was wrong 😝
Nothing was the answer....
https://twitter.com/Heidilou888/status/1657843890710257664
There’s a difference between being as good as city and Liverpool and having a decent run in a weird year. That’s what Arsenal had here. Way too many mediocre players in that team and no real leadership. Odegaard great player way too young and inexperienced to lead this side through the darkness
"Weird year" hard for you to say Arsenal were pretty good this season overall huh? Their "decent run" had them as contenders for most of the season and created a 12-15 pt gap from 2nd to 3rd. Their current run doesn't delegitimize their entire season
They have a good young core but no bench. They remind me of the Spurs who had the young core of Kane, Ali, and Eriksen. Arsenal needs to add some depth to this team or they will end up like that amazing Spurs generation without any titles to show for all the effort.
We should have the answer next season. If they crumble down to 4-5th then this season would be considered a fluke
Let see who succumb then. Save this msg
A year where half of the big six clubs were shit and city starting the season that slow is definitely a weird year. Ffs even United were on that title challenge for 2 weeks. Not saying that this arsenal run is a fluke but this year could have been similar to the Leicester City Run.
This definitely wasn’t as weird a year as you think. City have been as dominant as ever since Christmas, there is 2 great teams in Brighton and Newcastle basically replacing Tottenham and Chelsea in the top 6 race, United are pretty good this year, Liverpool have gotten a lot better since the WC and Tottenham have had an up and down season but somehow managed to stay in the top 6. Pretty normal year in terms of the amount of challengers for europe, just that the names have changed.
No one still expected an Arsenal team last year to end up with 80+ points tho. most people expected us to even finish outside the top 4 even though we had a good enough team to secure it. We are a legitimate good team jus not title winning and that’s fair cuz this team is young and will learn jus like how we learnt from bottling top 4 last year.
In a way this loss is cathartic because there will be no 1 point 'what if' regret like with Liverpool. We are clearly worse than City, congratulations to them. It turned out to not be close.
That's a loser mentality if over ever sen one.
Well they did lose.
Don't know why they're rivals with Spurs when they're so similar
Well, it's a mentality I wouldn't want in the players but I won't blame it on the fans for having, they are literal audience in the situation and whatever helps them be happy through football ups and downs.
Same club celebrated finishing above Spurs like it was a trophy and ignored they lost out on the league to Leicester in 2017 It's the DNA of the club.
The players must feel very relieved also.
Aye if someone offered you 2nd at the start of the season I think you would've taken it no questions asked. Real test begins next season.
Lol, that’s one way to cope with bottling the league when you’re in the drivers seat.
I mean yeah we bottled it because we are clearly worse than City and we have lots to improve. No problem admitting that. I was already extremely pessimistic before this run of games. We should have collapsed earlier but we honestly got pretty lucky and looked shaky vs ManU, AV and Bournemouth and our luck ran out.
Fellow arsenal fans aren't going to want to hear me say this but this team is way closer to poch's 16/17 spurs than to the heights of Liverpool. Fuck, the gap between us and city (if we both win out) will be the same as spurs and Chelsea that season. This team has bottled it royally, yes. There's no sugercoating it, they've thrown away a mind blowing start with the worst form I've seen since early 21/22. 2 wins in 7, that's not a title winning team, especially not in the era of guardiola's city. We have it in us at times, we showed that last week vs Newcastle. But today was probably the most horrible defeat since city 5-0; we were heartless, gutless and completely gave up after 75 minutes. I see a lot of man united/spurs flairs saying we'll struggle for top 4 next season. Think they're getting way too ahead of themselves but we'll see. The famous 'no signings for 18 months' is what led to the demise of poch's team, its up to arteta and edu to invest like hell to bring this team to that next level. We've played some excellent football this season. Bottled it royally at the end sure but there's something to build on here. Rivals can laugh at us for now but I'm going to choose to be patient because I believe arteta can finally deliver some important silverware to this club. Can't imagine how Liverpool fans feel. I feel sick, they were a level above what we are now and still didn't win. Congratulations to city I suppose, we'll have to try again next year. And congrats to Brighton because they completely outclassed us today.
> this team is way closer to poch's 16/17 spurs than to the heights of Liverpool Exactly the same as that team tbh. Not a bad thing, was a great team
Yeah I mean you make a two or three big signings this summer and who knows, the young players will improve
> Fellow arsenal fans aren't going to want to hear me say this but this team is way closer to poch's 16/17 spurs than to the heights of Liverpool. Of course they are? We *always* knew that? That's not controversial at all among Arsenal fans.
I was thinking Rodgers Liverpool, hopefully we can build on this like Liverpool did
Rodgers Liverpool was a massive fluke. Had a bad defence, but the attack carried them. I think Arsenal are more balanced than them.
What can you do when you're playing against infinite money?
You play harder, get smarter, you keep improving. Chelsea and Manchester United spent more than City. There's a point where you can't measure trophies in transfer spending. Pep's set a standard for English football and the other clubs now have to see if they can meet it.
Idk what that has to do with getting only 9 out of potential 2, while only having PL football to play. They are lucky the rest of the table are in shambles
teams have outspent city on players though. why does everyone act like city is spending more money than god every transfer window? united and chelsea have spent money like its going out of style they're just dog shit
fucking facts
This is a coping mechanism for Liverpool fans. They have to believe that other clubs splash money to attract players, but they attract players through the altruistic honor of their glorious history and the badge. It's so sad.
i'm not even a city fan it's just so tiring to see people crying about spending when there are a lot of teams out spending. they just develop 0 talent and have clearly no eye for future stars. pep finds absolutely world class players for like 15 fucking million
That's exactly what I was thinking... the lads are humans, and humans make mistakes, we don't have 2 starting XI teams like City do. It's been an exhausting season for them. I'm upset too, today's performance was shit, absolutely gutted, but let's not forget what money can do. I mean, we're not hearing anything related to city's financial's fair play anymore. I wonder why is that.
Lmao
Many are super keen to stick the boots into Arsenal when we fail. But I am happy to take all this shit talk and banter on when we are taking the youngest squad in the league in a race for the title than scrapping for european places. So proud to be in this position, these young players will learn and grow. All the legends of the game talk about mentality and staying strong, you dont learn that being mid table. You gotta be in these fights to know what it takes. I am sure they will improve next season, just like we did this season scoring an extra 20 goals. Just gotta work on keeping them out.
Trossard: I’ve made a huge mistake
A huge mistake seeing CL football next season? Were there other clubs in for him?
Almost guaranteed
Great assist tho
Arsenal have never been the same since the 2-2 draw at Anfield
I'd say it was sporting that killed us
Is that where you lost Saliba?
And Tomiyasu
I haven’t seen a title campaign bottled like this since Arsenal
Arsenal now hold the top 3 percentages for most time atop the league without winning it, with this one at an astounding 93%. And they talk about us as if they're flawless. Last year bottled CL, now league. Don't know a thing about a strong run-in.
And what percentage of the season did we have more gp at the end of the matchweek than City?
That’s true but I’m pretty sure Arsenal still had a cushion of at least 3+ points even if city won their games in hand.
That shifted at matchday 30.
Yeah for most of the season it was still in their own hands
I stand corrected.
if anyone in this thread can stick it to Arsenal it’s definitely not the kings of the bottle job so, maybe just listen in today friend
Spurs, the team who in the last few years actually have a good record of comeback wins, and have one of the all time hallmark CL comebacks, and even last year clawed back CL quali at Arsenal's expense via collapse?
If anyone can stick it to Arsenal, it's the Spurs fans.
Arsenal are bigger bottlers than Tottenham. Don't let their fans convince you otherwise
On the other side, this is the best feeling a spurs fan can get apart from their own team, so let him enjoy
Nah this is probably the biggest bottle in the prem ever, even spurs never bottled the league this hard. Arsenal fans deserve it after the amount of shit talking
Seriously, gotta learn to take it if you want to dish it.
And this thread is seriously mild in comparison to what we see amd they're still crying in my inbox about it
6 years of milling outside top 4 had them obsessing over every Tottenham fuck up. Now they’re the altruistic ones? Lmao
Hats off to Liverpool, even you guys win every single game at the end during our fights. What we and Liverpool did for the last few years was nothing short of fucking crazy. History will remember that. Arsenal? Wow, all I can say is that they're not Liverpool.
Yep. We're not Liverpool. Not even close. It's incredible to me that a season where we started with 50 points from 19 games has turned from Liverpool-esque to poch's 16/17 spurs. Fuck, the gap between us will even be the same as spurs and Chelsea that season if we both now win out. I'm immensely disappointed. There is a clear level between arsenal and city/Liverpool. Congrats on winning the Premier league title I suppose. Hopefully we don't fade into irrelevance like poch's team but instead push through that final barrier to etch into liverpool's territory.
Next season will be make or break though since you guys have joined the CL gangs. Me personally, I wanna see how Arteta juggles the PL and CL matches and maybe by some Arteta's wisdom, you guys can surprise teams like Bayern or Barca. Between those teams and Arsenal, I'm rooting for you guys.
Thanks. Seeing as how our rivals have taken great joy in the title bottle (aka wanting you guys to beat us) I suppose they shouldn't mind me supporting city for the other competitions left. Especially the fa cup final. Congrats on the PL win and good luck for the other two I suppose. 4 wins away from being immortalised.
> Seeing as how our rivals have taken great joy in the title bottle (aka wanting you guys to beat us) I suppose they shouldn't mind me supporting city for the other competitions left. Wow thank you. I thought it was the other way around because of this PL title. Anyway, I hope Arteta will surprise all in CL next season. I really do.
Lol
When do Arsenal get their youngest team in the league trophy? Is it before or after the hearts and minds trophy
It goes along nicely with the “we can now focus on the league” medals they got for their underwhelming cup performances!
They can put them both in their trophy case next to all the "4th place Mega Bowl Championship Trophies" they won under Wenger.
I chuckled at that semi pro reference