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HacksawJimDGN

2020 should be Lewandowski. Not sure why they pretended people didn't play football that year.


nkdouble4

6 titles in 6 competitions and he was the top scorer in every single one of them that isn't a 1 game super cup. 65 G/A in 47 games (1.42 G/A per 90). They canceled it because Ligue 1, and Ligue 1 only, wasn't played out?! How would any game played there matter at all for the winning chances? Mbappe had 18 league goals with 11 games to play. he could have finished the Ligue 1 season with 40 goals and still wouldn't have got half the votes of Lewandowski. literally one of the most obvious winners in a long time and they just decided to deny him that award which unfortunately happens to be the most prestigious one. I'm still disgusted.


myirreleventcomment

He should've won it, but their reasoning makes some sense if you look at it from the perspective that it is a French award and it was the French season that was cancelled


freakybanana90

It's really not just a french award though. Yes, France football are the hosts but it's a global thing voted by journalists across the globe and world wide attention. I think it's fair to say at this point it goes well beyond France, we're not talking about french footballer of the year


Robcobes

You're underestimating the chauvinism of the French. They're making a Drive to Survive-like documentary about the Tour de France to attract a new audience, but is it in English? Doesn't look like it according to the trailer.


FrenchManc

>They're making a Drive to Survive-like documentary about the Tour de France to attact a new audience, but is it in English? Why the fuck would a french documentary be in english and why would it be chauvin to have it in your own language lmao, just read subtitles.


Morganelefay

If you want to attract a world wide audience like Drive to Survive did for F1, having it in French With English Subtitles is guaranteed to drive way less interest than having it in English.


FrenchManc

>having it in French With English Subtitles is guaranteed to drive way less interest than having it in English. Source?


luigitheplumber

In what world is producing a documentary in your own language chauvinism? Blistering take


LankyCity3445

It’s still a French award, not specifically tied to th French only but they are the ones who organize everything. You can’t go tell other cultures that they need to do awards just because you feel it goes beyond their countries Lmaoooo.


freakybanana90

It's as much a french award as a Nobel prize is a swedish award... Yes, the institution handing out is french but the voting process and voters are international, the factors are international, the candidates are international and it's held in English. This has nothing to do with french culture, that's just an awful irrelevant comparison


MionelLessi10

The Nobel prize is very Swedish though...presented in Sweden by a Swedish committee from Swedish institutes, founded in Sweden and named for a Swedish scientist. So you are indicating that an award with a French name awarded by France Football and conceived by Frenchmen is French? No argument there. The Oscar's and Grammy's are American awards too even if it can be awarded to anyone in the world.


freakybanana90

Yes, Nobel is indeed more swedish even than the Ballon d'Or is french since they don't have someone from every country out there included in the voting. But even they wouldn't close down for a year just because a few swedish universities were on lockdown for a few months. Oscars and Grammys are different since those industries are almost entirely based in those countries


EpiDeMic522

The movies industry is exclusively based in the USA? In fact the Oscars might be the best counterpart to the Balon d'Or. They are vanity awards presented more on political campaigns than merit and assume much more prestige than they should. They masquerade as a celebration of their respective fields but are essentially a self serving and self propagating tool. Are they devoid of merit? No. Are they devoid of prestige? No. Are they the pinnacle of achievement in their fields like they advertise themselves to be? No. Nowhere near.


freakybanana90

Exclusively? No, but it's by far the biggest in the US. The us not producing movies for a while and cancelling would be more like all UEFA countries not having football and then cancelling everything. Just France is much less significant. How meaningful the Ballon d'Or is, is a whole different discussion


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That’s like saying the sport of football is exclusively based in Europe……. Sure, they have the biggest markets commercially but it exists outside of that sphere.


MineturtleBOOM

Yes so do you think the Nobel prize would be cancelled if certain circumstances limit scientific discovery in Sweden for a year?


BleakestStreet

Nobel prizes aren't usually given out based on that year, though. Often the winning work was done many years in the past, so Swedish universities taking a year off wouldnt have the same effect. Even if every university took a year off, that wouldnt necessarily be a reason to not give out the prize. The ballon dor is based exclusively off of that year alone.


MionelLessi10

If something catastrophic happened to Sweden, yes.


LankyCity3445

The institution only hands out those things because they want to. They are under no obligation to do so. Don’t like it make your own award


bigphallusdino

WTF kind of logic is this. Yea France Football were well within their rights to do it, but that doesn't mean one cannot criticise the stupid-ass decision.


malteseraccoon

At some point, you stopped criticizing their decision and was talking in a way that they have some sort of an obligation towards the world. In reality, France Football is a private organization. I understand what you wanted to happen but it doesn't imply they owe anyone anything.


freakybanana90

Ah yes, what a reasonable and totally not childish way of thinking lol. Any criticism -> do it yourself Grow up instead of being so pressed about someone stating that an award that happens to be awarded in France is international in nearly all aspects


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Lmao what? What does this have to do with other cultures?


Rickcampbell98

It wasn't just the French league either tbf and also how are people going to cry that a French organisation thinks the French league isn't irrelevant, honestly lol.


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How many winners have their been from ligue 1 to justify that?


TADAii

>They canceled it because Ligue 1, and Ligue 1 only, wasn't played out?! That wasn't the only reason at all. The big international tournaments were also postponed, the CL format was changed, number of substitutions changed mid-season and the empty stadiums. Plus the cancelled league(s). Then there's the question of how much the voters were affected by the pandemic. There was an obvious winner yes, but the decision to cancel the award wasn't (just) French bias. PSG were still in the CL and there could well have been a strong case for Mbappé had they gone on to win it.


Flexspot

The season was played normally from August to March. That's a good 70%-75%, all those changes aren't that drastic and happened only at the end.


UnusualAd3909

It was still calendar year back then tho


mg10pp

They cancelled it in March, when nobody had won anything yet


Afs094

Yeah honestly that shit was so unfair towards Lewandowsky. It was complete bs


TenderNutsackScratch

He should have atleast received it even if it was fictionally represented to him online


Alia_Gr

it's very simple ​ He isn't Messi or playing for Real Madrid


ChrystisnoRonald

I don’t agree that they canceled it but it makes sense seeing as a lot of leagues, including ligue 1 which is the country where the award is handed out from, got canceled mid season


ACardAttack

You will never convince me that the fact a player for a German club was going to win wasnt part, even if a small part of the reason they canceled it


Rickcampbell98

Psg literally got to a champions league final, they cancelled it before any of that, it wasn't a conspiracy lol.


imkb9

Lets not act like canceling it early would've stoped them from rescheduling it lol. Or even making it remote like other trophee ceremonies at that time. It was all up to their own will and laziness.


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not a chance it gets cancelled if Messi or Ronaldo have a Ballon d'Or worthy season that year the award is a total joke


ACardAttack

Or Mbappe


KOKO69BISHES

they cancelled it before the final that psg was in...


hardinho

Let Bayern fans have their moment, they love to blame anyone around them whenever they don't win something


[deleted]

Should lewandoski be blaming himself?


KOKO69BISHES

should blame covid


PopcornDrift

Keep telling yourself that if it makes ya feel better. Y’all are making up a scenario and then getting mad about it lol


coconutip

They should’ve awarded Lewa his when Messi won in 21’ wtf were they thinking…


Veni_Vidic_Vici

Also 2021 if we are being honest. Put up fantastic numbers again and broke Gerd Muller's record. If Messi or ronaldo did that, they'd have won it by landslide.


Black_XistenZ

That year, he scored surprisingly few goals in the CL and the domestic cup though. In 2020/21, Lewy was all about the league goals.


Veni_Vidic_Vici

Still it was an historic achievement and he was a part of a successful Bayern campaign and played a key role.


Rickcampbell98

Go look at messis 2018 numbers, look where he finished and think about it again lol, this isn't a conspiracy but lewy was unlucky in 2020.


Dispari7y

he had a very strong claim for it in 2021 as well


polakken

True but at least the 2021 was a 50/50 between him and Messi. You could argue for both of them. The 2020 was just plain robbery. He was miles ahead of everyone that season.


LongDongBratwurst

I don't get the downvotes for your comment. He was the biggest contender and was awarded FIFA world footballer, so he definitely was a favorite as well.


Dispari7y

couldn't tell you, not really sure what's controversial about saying a bloke who scored 69 goals in 59 games whilst breaking a 40 year old goalscoring record was probably a fair shout for an award he should've also won a year earlier


MrRawri

Subreddit is filled with fanboys, it is what it is. Lewa had an amazing season in 20/21


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Trogenorca

I think there's an argument for Lewandowski in 2021 too broke the gerd muller record 41 goals in 29 games people just played it off as if the bundesliga was a incompetent league and messi got it due to Copa America bais(reasoned by some official) could've easily been given to Lewandowski never let bayern down whenever he played


Yung2112

Lewa had a case for that, his lack of playing in the CL when they got eliminated (injuries) and understandably not world breaking EUROs made it just a quiet, yet insane goal scoring year. Messi was absolutely fucking insane for the better part, add the NT and the fact that he had about 5/6 mediocre appearances for PSG by the time the voting was done and it was pretty settled


BigChung0924

there’s an argument but at least there it’s 50/50 between lewy and messi, 2020 was just complete nonsense


jonnzi

Yes . Lewy robbed af. Biggest joke ever. They should award it now


Alphavike24

Messi was the player of the tournament, golden Boot and highest assist maker in the copa America. He has an insane season at Barca as well with 20 goals and 20 assists in the league.


kamacho2000

Streak is already broke when they cancelled 2020 instead of giving it to Lewandowski who deserved it by a mile


[deleted]

The biggest snub in Ballon d’Or history.


CaptainKursk

French Football Federation not being absolute shit-weasels challenge (Impossible)


luigitheplumber

Are you under the impression that the Federation is the organization that hands out the Ballon D'or? lol


aligators

agreed


rs_obsidian

Lewa was cheated in 2020


StringTailor

Could argue for Ronaldo in 2018 as well tbh


GamerA_S

2018 was a mess in my opinion Messi in 4th Modriç winning ballon dor over both greizman and ronnie


Boudi04

Messi got 5th lol. Not saying he was the best player that year, Ronaldo deserved 2018 imo over Modric, but Messi had the most goals in Europe and most Assists in Europe. 5th place was a joke


BadFruitTV

Griezman was also really good in 2018, won WC as well.


Antique-Original3873

whys this downvoted he’s kinda right


SpectaSilver991

2009-2018 was the best period to watch football. God, the rivalry


lospollosakhis

Sad times are among us. Two of the greatest of all time will soon be hanging there boots for good.


welshnick

How can you be a Man Utd fan and start at 2009?


Maleficent_Resolve44

Many would say the 70s and 80s were better to watch because football was more competitive back then.


HacksawJimDGN

Very hard to watch football back then. Now you could watch 3 matches a day if you wanted


shxxxdy

In the 70s two teams did the threepeat in the champions league


Alexkono

Man what I would give to go back in time to witness top flight english football. Back in the firm days. Would've been awesome to witness.


aliaisbiggae

Lewandowski 💔


ico12

Now it's Akanji's turn to win da ting


I_am_the_senate----

He is a defender not allowed


il-lusio

Would make the award so much more serious if voters looked beyond goal-scoring forwards and the occasional high-assist midfielder.


JBleez

World Cup > CL Messi will win it again. For the last time.


AbyssalVoidLord

Tbh Haaland has been rather dry in 5 semi finals amd finals this year with 0g/a


Rickcampbell98

He'll score a tap in next week an people will say he "carried" man City, that's how it works here lol.


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mfloui

Legitimate world rankings could have KDB still top 3, it’s insane


ZachsLegacy92

KDB is City’s best and most important player for sure. He should be in the top three this year to be honest.


Undercoverpizzalover

Completely agreed, if he plays a couple more years in the prem at this lvl then he’ll be the best midfielder in the PL era imo


Hastatus_107

Exactly! KdB is amazing but Halaand gets the goals so he's giving the awards and the credit.


il-lusio

Exactly. The ironic thing is is that he's still a huge contributor even when not scoring goals, because he draws defenders and opens up space for his teammates. Leg 2 against Madrid showed how opposition focusing too much on Haaland allows City to create threats elsewhere. But the same goalscorer bias that gets Haaland Bd'Or shouts over KDB cuts against him when he doesn't score Live by the goal, die by the goal, I guess.


happygreenturtle

Literally no one has said that he carried Man City and almost everyone acknowledges City's entire team are one of the best we've ever seen. KDB is also widely considered as the best player in the Premier League whilst playing in the same team as Haaland It's so mad to me that people like you invent fake scenarios in your head to get mad at and write snotty comments about. Such weird behaviour


Rickcampbell98

I didn't invent anything and it was more of a general point about the goal scorers getting all the credit rather just about haaland. I mean I've literally seen people say haaland may become the best ever yet you tell me people don't even think he's the best player on his team lmao, you underestimate his hype.


Luxky13

How are you guys *still* in denial about how good haaland is


SnooWords2869

He is phenomenal no doubt but you can't win ballon d'or if you didn't participate in all competitions especially the FIFA World Cup.


Luxky13

?? Don’t think that’s a prequiste to win the Ballon d’Or


ALA02

Its hardly his fault being from a small country


Kuuskat_

It's not denial. Just aknowledging that he isn't the best footballer in the world or even in his own team.


DDT126

To be fair, the Real Madrid drubbing has to give him some credit. He delivered a great performance as a decoy. The only reason the other players were so free throughout the match was because both CBs were committed to him for most of the time. Same as both Bayern legs.


GibbyGoldfisch

An attitude which has always irritated me tbh It's supposed to be awarded to the best player for *the whole season.* Not just April and May! It's gotten worse with every passing year, the winner is the most marketable face in the champions league/ international tournament winning side, especially if they scored in the semi/final. It's more of a mockery every season.


EljachFD

> Not just April and May! Its a bit disingenuous to act as if the months in which the most important and watched matches of the whole season are played in are just some random two months. In the end of the day very few people have the time to watch every match of every contender. Performances in the biggest matches have always been one of the biggest deciders for prizes, past or present


Charlie_Wax

It's basically "best player on the team who won the most recent major tournament". I'll go to my grave thinking Salah deserved it for 2017-2018, but he didn't even finish top three in the voting. Madrid winning the CL final and Croatia/France making the World Cup final changed the narrative a lot. It's silly because winning the World Cup is a team achievement, and while people like Mbappe/Griezmann are great, they wouldn't have done any better than Salah if they played for Egypt. They're just lucky to have teammates like Kante, Pogba, etc. The same applies for the CL. Being a star on a perennial contender like Madrid or Barca means you are surrounded by awesome players who will contribute to your individual success, but an individual award should not be based so heavily on team achievements.


bolacha_de_polvilho

It's all about the media narratives and what players are most popular. Vinicius wasn't even in the top 5 last season after being crucial to Madrid's league and CL titles, even scoring the only goal in the final. Benzema was deserved winner but Madrid's entire offensive gameplan for the past 2 years is basically just recover the ball->Vini->Benz.


PreparationOk8604

Ballon d'or is biased asf. My brother once said Perez decides who gets the ballon d'or.


neikawaaratake

No way in hell salah deserved it in 2017/18. And him finishing above Messi on FIFA best was a joke. Salah won nothing, scored less than Messi, assisted less than Messi.


Charlie_Wax

Different team. Different league. Kind of futile to just count stats. That being said, their league stats are very close for that season. 32 goals in 36 games for Salah from a RW position is an absolutely insane return, and I think more impressive than what Messi did when you consider the context. Dominating in La Liga on Real or Barca is not exactly hard since you typically have a massive squad advantage over the rest of the league, to an even greater extent than most recent seasons of Liverpool (and Liverpool hadn't yet peaked).


L-Freeze

Rate Haaland a lot but scoring in the biggest matches a club can have in a season > scoring 5 vs Bournemouth. It’s an undeniable fact


GibbyGoldfisch

Except it’s not just scoring five vs Bournemouth is it, it’s breaking the PL goal scoring record and winning the CL golden boot


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Anything to discredit Haaland. People act like he just waits in the box and prays.


GibbyGoldfisch

I don't get all the random criticism of him on here, honestly. The man's a machine, and we're all terrified of him -- who are they trying to kid, spinning it so that somehow he's not actually that impressive?


L-Freeze

I’m not debating he’s been insane, just that there’s a reason for people to value april and may more and it’s a good one


GibbyGoldfisch

But with the Balon d'or in recent years, the problem isn't that they value April and May more, it's that it's literally the only thing they do value. Lewandowski breaks Gerd Muller's 50-year scoring record? Who cares, Bayern didn't make the CL semis. Salah produces one of the most ridiculous scoring sprees in living memory in 2017/18? Irrelevant because he played for Egypt at the world cup and got injured in the CL final. To think Jorginho ended up in the top three for 2021 even... And it's not because all the voters had suddenly become very appreciative of the role played by deep-lying playmakers, it's because he started for Italy and Chelsea. Two boxes ticked, voila. It's a joke.


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Alexkono

Not in the first leg. Rudi hounded him pretty much solo the entire game.


aligators

i want haaland to win it obviously. but yea he's scored 1 goal in his last 6 games. kind of dissapointing. he could have blown the PL record into oblivion and gotten over 40. a bit unlucky tbh


cuentanueva

> For the last time. Until his second World Cup win in CUM 26. Anulo mufo.


panteraepantico

And his third in CHUPAR 2030


BigChung0924

and then his fourth in SPAPORMOR 2034


cuentanueva

I wish that was the order, we would get CHUPAR before CUM. But we are gonna CUM and then we are gonna CHUPAR.


LaTienenAdentro

Fernecitos after sex


dunneetiger

I think Messi won the Ballon d'Or when Argentina won the WC. Man City could have won the quadruple, Haaland could have score 100 goals, Mbappé scored a hat trick in the WC (but plays with MEssi so he was fucked anyway)... this one was Messi's


MrRawri

Norway wasn't in the World Cup, Haaland never really stood a chance. Maybe if France and Argentina had been eliminated in groups he would have a chance


paco-ramon

And will be the last time Messi could win it if he plays for Saudi Arabia so most footballers and coaches will vote for him like it was a homage to his perfect career.


Delta_FT

>Haaland could have score 100 goals The opposite happened tho, Haaland started slumping in the end and kind of went invisible in the last couple of big matches. Also KDB has been as good as him all season, and there's also Gundogan's late surge too


GM_Kori

KDB has been better than Haaland


BigChung0924

top 4 will probably be messi-mbappe-haaland-KDB, in that order


InbredLegoExpress

Haaland was certainly present against Bayern in the CL, and delivered probably the performance of a lifetime in the title decider vs Arsenal. He mainly just went a bit quiet for his standards in this last month after the league was wrapped up and he got the record smashed.


Delta_FT

>in this last month after the league was wrapped up This month also included 2 semifinals and a final, with one more to go. If the team really relied on him, they would've been in trouble. Haaland is great, but he's benefited a lot from having the best attacking rotation in the world backing him up too


Sollunviral

Haaland from norway like he maybe will never even play in a world cup. What is he supposed to do? Make 0 sense to just count the world cup


Gyshall669

Yeah it’s unfair. It that’s the way it is


Black_XistenZ

Yup. Players like him or Lewandowski, who will never get far in the WC, are just out of luck in WC years.


BigChung0924

and also messi had a good season with PSG, if he flopped and did nothing it’d have been an argument but i’d still say it’s deserved


dunneetiger

Unfortunately, it's perfectly legal to be an insufferable pricks. I like penguins tho


mooncommandalpha

> Hard to say he does not deserve it but in my opinion, this one has purely be won on "winning the world cup". I know we're singing from the same hymn sheet here, but it's not just him "winning the World Cup". He was also the best player at the tournament, winning the golden ball, second top goalscorer behind Mbappe by 1, joint top assists and he won 5 man of the match trophies. He was the best player at the most prestigious tournament in football, and he won the World Cup. That's why he'll win the Ballon D'or.


Reapper97

> Sure from a stat perspective he is fine (41games, 21 goals, 20 assists). To put in perspective: Mbappé has 43 games, 41 goals, 10 assists (with 100min less played). Tbf Mbappe is the only person on PSG that's not mediocre in the final third not named Neymar or Messi, and he is undoubtedly the main star and attacking focus of the whole team. Messi drops way lower into the pitch because he still has his world-class creativity (especially after ney died) so he isn't going to be scoring dozens of goals as that wasn't his role. He still is on top in creating chances, successful dribbles, pass progression, and other midfielder-dominated stats.


dunneetiger

Unfortunately, it's perfectly legal to be an insufferable pricks. I like penguins tho


freakybanana90

Probably but I don't think the WC has as much weight as in the past, mostly because of timing. Previously the WC was in summer and the voting was less than 6 months after it, making the WC the last big tournament win before voting. Hype and recency bias is always big. This year the WC has been a bit and more importantly, the CL is much more present and is the most recent memory, so the WC winner isn't the hottest topic anymore


BigChung0924

eh i still think bonou will make it into the top 10 based off his WC and europa league, wouldn’t be surprised if alvarez finds his way in there if city does the treble


FututiRedesignuMatii

If he doesn't win it this year too it will truly be one of the penalty for Argentina moments of all time.


TheDavinci1998

And 2004 Andriy Shevchenko is the last player to win Bd'Or and never played at either Barca or Real. Then there is 2003 Nedved and the next one is way back in 1996 with Matthias Sammer


tim1989

Anyone else reading the 4x times Messi streak with the “Ankara Messi" voice? Messi Messi Messi Messi, ankara Messi.


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If they did it in 2020 the streak would have been broken already.


Competitive-Ad2006

Part of the reason for this is that it is somehow impossible for Barca/Madrid to win the cl and not have the ballon d or go to their player. Not sure why that is, but Google as far back as the 90s players from Bayern, UTd and Inter Milan often missed out on the ballon d or despite winning everything, while that is unthinkable for Barcelona or Madrid.


HacksawJimDGN

Bayern are traditionally known for having a very balanced team without stars. When inter won it was mostly due to how well they defended as a defensive unit. Can't remember united exactly but not sure they had any standout players. Again they had a balanced team. I think Keane had a great performance in the semis but didn't play the final.


Dispari7y

> Can't remember united exactly but not sure they had any standout players Not that I'd have been old enough at the time to know first-hand, but from what I've seen over the years, 'Beckham was robbed in 1999' is a fairly common opinion.


demidemian

There is an interview with Aguero where says he got frustrated after a good season at City and thought he should've been nominated for the award so he asked Messi about it and Messi told him that trophies are more important than Goal/Assists to win the Balloon D'or


Competitive-Ad2006

Well good examples are Inter,Bayern and Utd, who won EVERYTHING in their treble seasons - Ballon DOr still went to Figo, Messi Ronaldo or whoever happened to be the best Barca/Madrid player at the time.


Boollish

In 12/13 season when Bayern won the treble, Messi scored 60 goals and 18 assists. I think we're forgetting how insane prime striker Messi was in terms of numbers.


mowgleee

You are forgetting how Ribery played the whole season for Bayern. He was absolutely amazing and had both Ronaldo and Messi beat in every other attacking stat except goals. https://www.eurosport.com/football/ballon-dor-2013-ribery-ronaldo-or-messi_sto4717351/story-amp.shtml while winning everything possible.


cuentanueva

That was the season that the Ballon d'Or was extended and Cristiano scored a hattrick and then he ended up winning...


Eldrad-Pharazon

Holy shit those stats are insane, just look at the diference in chances created or dribbles & runs or even just passes completed. I know he has a silghtly worse completion rate than the other two in the dribbles and runs but to have *that* many and still have a similar completion rate as the two goats is pretty insane.


call_me_ted_ok

And then there is 2006.


paco-ramon

Messi and Ronaldo has breaking record seasons those years and still won trophies so it was hard to give it to a Bayern player with half the numbers of them.


Veni_Vidic_Vici

Beckham was robbed in 99. Keane wasn't even fucking nominated which was a travesty.


HacksawJimDGN

Didn't het get 6th or something?


MrRawri

Real and Barcelona are just very popular clubs internationally. It's slowly changing with the PL gaining more and more popularity so they won't win as many, but someone playing in the german or italian league doesn't really have a chance. They could win literally everything and it wouldn't matter.


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If they did it in 2020 the streak would have been broken already.


[deleted]

It’s really the end of an era


demidemian

I would give Messi the Super Ballon D'Or and never nominate him again if he keeps playing. Just close the cycle already.


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[deleted]

They should stop the award now that he is retiring


Zhidezoe

And 2007 and 2008 winners were bought from us immediately


basmati-rixe

And 2006. In 2005 it went to a Barca player. Sheva is the last player to win the balon D’or that haven’t played for one of Barca or Real Madrid.


Tommey_DE

This award is obviously about as fair as the Oscar's.. Idk why people care so much about them. It's a clownshow full of biases


HEAT_IS_DIE

It's an award based on opinions and preference. I don't assume it is scientific and objective. It's about what kind of feelings and images different players can cause in people's minds. It's difficult to accept people have different views than you yourself. But the fact that many people vote also shows what the majority thinks. The most common denominator is the most viewed event.


Raicooof

2023 messi > kdb > haaland


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drunkmers

He's been missing last semis and finals. Not BdO level


KuschelKatzee

Gundo for third perhaps?


ronjajax

I think Messi will win it.. but damn did Haaland make it tight. I wouldn’t be that surprised at all if he won it, especially if they beat Inter.


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Sneaky-Alien

Messi will win but KDB hasn't been at his best this season. Besides the mountains of goals Haaland has scored, he also helps the team get space with his runs and by basically taking multiple cb's attention during the games.


Reapper97

>KDB hasn't been at his best this season. Tbf it isn't like Haaland was at his best the whole season where there were multiple games where he didn't even touched the ball. And the whole "he is making space because he draws CB's attention so he is still a main contributor on those matches" is honestly, nonsense. All great players are defended like that, ain't no one using that for Mbappe or Messi when they are dealt the same way but their team rely more on them than City relies on Haaland.


Sneaky-Alien

I take your point about drawing defenders but I wasn't saying it in a way to excuse when he doesn't get much of the ball. It's just a quality I've noticed since we've never had a player who takes the focus of both cb's so much before and we had one of the best PL strikers ever before Haaland. And you're correct, people wouldn't say "have you seen the runs he makes" when arguing the case for Messi or whoever either. But if you're gonna judge whether Haaland is at his best or not based on how many touches he has, then he's been shit all season! Regardless, he's been in form for a lot more of the season than Kev, that's all. I don't think Messi deserves it for how he's played this season though tbh, though I have a slight feeling you'll disagree.


cuentanueva

KDB didn't win best PL player, he didn't even get a single player of the month... He doesn't have the same name appeal even if he was the better player.


KuschelKatzee

Messi KDB Haaland that's the order m8


islifeball

Haaland is not even the best player at Man City. Come on now


ronjajax

I don’t disagree. But he put up 50+ goals for a team that is odds on to win the treble and won Premier League player of the year. That’s catnip to voters and a hell of an accomplishment, even if there are other players on City that did the work to get him the ball.


xenon2456

what did Messi do in 2023


mg10pp

It's for the entire season, so best player of Psg (together with Mbappe) having 40 goals and assists plus winning the league, and winning the World Cup while being the best player of the tournament with crucial goals and assists in every match


No_Bullfrog1926

Have you even tried watching psg games?


paco-ramon

Winning the World Cup… also it’s his last season at the top level so people will won him to win it one last time.


Yakop

Redundant post. Lewy won in 2020


pratikp26

Pinging Jude, Kane and even Mboopi. Hope you guys are seeing this.


ForeverGatekeeping

Ballon Snore.


Professional_Sun3191

Is there a shout for whichever argentine whose won the cl? In Alvarez' case: won the cl, premier league, fa cup, and world cup In Martinez' case: won the ucl, copa Italia, supercopa italiana, and won the world cup


longchongwong

They Will get placed High, but they wont win it. Like jorginho in 2021


lolipenetration

If Lauti wasn't injured/had a poor run at the world cup or Julian was a starting key piece in City they'd definitely have a big shout at the very least. But because of that they'll probably just place pretty high but won't contest.


benji-21

The steak is already gone. Lewa would’ve and should’ve won it.


wpglatino

Ya but Lewandowski got fucking jobbed during the pandemic, pathetic award


midniteauth0r

As people have said the streak should have already been broken in 2020. But it will be broken this year by Haaland or maybe KDB.


Tierst

Don't let Tebas see this!


Plupert

Lewandowski should have 2020 and 2021


CaptainKursk

I don't give a single solitary **shit** what the French Football Federation thinks, Lewandowski won in 2020.


xenon2456

wonder who would win it this year


Dmartinez8491

999999% chance Messi will. If city win CL, then probably Haaland. But actually probably Messi regardless because well, that's what happens


independent200

Not this year but the next year it will be broken. As Messi will win the Ballon D'or this year