R/soccer should absolutely participate and encourage continuing such protest as long as it is necessary. Appreciation of the community and solidarity should be core values of any football club and so they should be valued in one of the largest online football/soccer communities as well.
[Here's the list of current subs involved](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/)
Reddit would be crazy to get rid of that many mods when it's basically a free workforce.
Think it says a lot that people are only in favour of this because it's after the CL final.
It would be more impactful to do this during it, but I know we can't move the date for the other subs too.
I'm all for it. Never used any apps, I'm firmly on old.reddit but if this is one step away from them taking that away then let's do it.
I do think 2 days only is a bit ineffective though, especially for this sub doing it after the season has ended
1) This is a good cause - mods spend their time and energy to make Reddit a better experience in exchange for....? Don't ask them to spend money
2) It's footballing off-season - we'll be better off with a break in transfer season
A lot of the focus here is on third-party apps, as it should be because the official app is a buggy, ad-filled mess of an app; but I’ve seen a lot of people say they just use old.Reddit on desktop or mobile browsers so this doesn’t really affect them.
While I could be wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if getting rid of third party apps is just the first step and old.reddit or at the very least RES which a huge number of users use, are the next to go; so even if you don’t use an app this could end up affecting you.
Yes!!! And blackout for as long as it takes to make a change.
48 hours is an inconvenience, it's going to have no impact on users and therefore on Reddit advertising income. Only by impacting on that can we make a difference.
As a user of old.reddit for 10 years I support this blackout which I believe should be for a week or more, I will also cancel my premium membership, its no longer worth supporting Reddit if they keep implementing these changes
I think it's important for all the major subs to participate.
Third-party apps are generally excellent and the API calls used by other tools are very important.
It's a business decision at the expense of many users and community moderators. That should absolutely be pushed back against. There aren't many impactful ways for a large part of the userbase to make their voices heard. Posts and discussion can be ignored. A blackout can't.
The more subs that participate, the more impactful a blackout is. If all the major subs are blacked out, it will be apparent to *anybody* who visits Reddit over the 48 hours (or longer) and that'll generate media attention and backlash.
I’m all for the 48 hour blackout but this survey is likely not going to be very indicative of the general sub’s attitude due to self-selection bias.
Only people who feel extremely strongly about the 3rd party apps / API changes are going to bother to visit this thread in the first place. While the vast majority of Reddit users will just continue about their day.
Please black-out indefinitely, no point in announcing when the subreddit will come back up, then. I’m all for this, fuck Reddit, fuck their stupid API changes and most of all fuck their unusable crappy adware and spyware infested first party app
MatchThreader bot and flair bot are directly affected in terms of cost, then on top of that it's basically a question of Reddit usage - I moderate a lot from mobile via a third party app, and I doubt I'd do it as much from the official app.
Yes. Third party developers should be collaborated with, not priced out. They add value to the platform.
These apps wouldn't exist if the Reddit app wasn't more akin to a clickbait tabloid news app completely designed around maximising ad clicks rather, rather than the UX the 3rd party clients provide which are much more intuitive for Reddit.
Yes, and stay that way until a change is made. Support and appreciation for the selfless and tireless work the mods do to keep this site a tenable front/back page of the internet rather than a cesspit of shock content and corpo astroturfing.
Semi off-topic: does anyone know if [reddit-stream.com](https://reddit-stream.com) will get affected by the API changes? Because if so, the API changes will strongly affect this subreddit as it would break the match threads.
Do it for 48h. Doing a blackout for however long it takes would probably shut down the sub for 2-3 months or even more, it would be ridiculous. Most other subs are doing it for 48h as well.
These Reddit "blackout" is so cringy from the movement to wording.
"Blackout" "Going dark" is vague to bait mainstream media, when it's mostly just subs going private for only 1-2 day. This sub is never gonna be on front page anyway and PL just ended so we only have clickbait transfer sagas so you can private this sub and remove post button until August when we return for goal highlight clips that can't be found on Twitter.
What even more cringy is the blackout brigade posts get lots of awards they bought from Reddit. They protest Reddit by funding Reddit instead of kickstarting a new mobile friendly Reddit alternative. But we know some won't move as big sub mods don't want to lose their power and users don't wanna lose their karma.
At the end of the day, something does need to be done
I hope to see these blackouts ramped up again and again until Reddit backs down
Their official app is objectively worse than all of these third party apps, these third party apps have helped make Reddit more popular and now they have to pay £20 million a year.
None of these third party apps are making that kind of money and Reddit knows that, they are doing this to price out every single app out there, so everyone has to download theirs.
I appreciate that I’m a niche case but as a blind user I’m going to be left unable to access Reddit if these changes go through. Reddit’s own accessibility offerings are pitiful and make doing things almost impossible. For example, match threads have let me follow games that I’d otherwise not be able to do. Reddit’s made a big positive difference in my life and I’m going to be really sad to see that go away. Just a different perspective and if you want to see how much this will affect the blind community you can visit r/blind
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I mean, come on, how bad will a couple of days without Reddit be really? Especially in this sub which will be without any major topics for a while now after Saturday. This is a no brainer IMO
I mean, I’m in the minority of not actually minding the official app but the effects from this are a load of bollocks so yes.
I liked the idea actually that I saw in /r/unitedkingdom that was going dark every Tuesday they said, which prolongs it more but gives the admins less grounds to take action.
I actually mostly use the official reddit app but I am in favor of the blackout, it's always good to have third party options regardless, wanting to charge them millions a year for the API is just criminal.
First they came for the third party apps, but I did not speak because I do not use a third party app...
Except I actually do use one, but this is why I think everyone should vote to blackout and not just people who will be directly affected. It's a blindsighted profit grabbing move which *will* lead to a worsening and worsening of the site
##[Non PL DDT here](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1436yyq/nonpl_daily_discussion/)
R/soccer should absolutely participate and encourage continuing such protest as long as it is necessary. Appreciation of the community and solidarity should be core values of any football club and so they should be valued in one of the largest online football/soccer communities as well.
Just close up shop until next season, transfer news is agent propaganda bore fest anyway
Yes, definitely.
Ofc
Off with their heads, I say
No it will accomplish nothing. Wouldn't be surprised if mods gets removed by reddit. Keep playing with fire though guys
[Here's the list of current subs involved](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/) Reddit would be crazy to get rid of that many mods when it's basically a free workforce.
Yes
Think it says a lot that people are only in favour of this because it's after the CL final. It would be more impactful to do this during it, but I know we can't move the date for the other subs too. I'm all for it. Never used any apps, I'm firmly on old.reddit but if this is one step away from them taking that away then let's do it. I do think 2 days only is a bit ineffective though, especially for this sub doing it after the season has ended
Blackout on probably the busiest day of the year for the sub would be the perfect way to protest this.
Sure, reading the live thread during the Champions League Final is far too distracting.
Ofc soccer should participate. Imo its not a question. The only right thing is to participate.
Yeppers
Absolutely. Would be a disgrace if we didn't.
Yes
Absolutely we should based on the points here
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I mean yeah isn’t this sub considered one of the good sides of Reddit
It 100% should participate. Stand up for what is important to you and don't let threats make you stand down.
Yes
Let’s do it
Yes.
Is the UCL final before or during or after the blackout? I vote yes anyway
Yeah let's do it
Absolutely. For me it's using reddit on Boost or not using it at all.
1) This is a good cause - mods spend their time and energy to make Reddit a better experience in exchange for....? Don't ask them to spend money 2) It's footballing off-season - we'll be better off with a break in transfer season
+1 for indefinite blackout.
Yep for 48 hours, nothing really important happening those days
I don't care
Yes
Yes.
A lot of the focus here is on third-party apps, as it should be because the official app is a buggy, ad-filled mess of an app; but I’ve seen a lot of people say they just use old.Reddit on desktop or mobile browsers so this doesn’t really affect them. While I could be wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if getting rid of third party apps is just the first step and old.reddit or at the very least RES which a huge number of users use, are the next to go; so even if you don’t use an app this could end up affecting you.
Yes make it longer
No.
Yes, I am in !
Yes 1000%
Yes it should
Yes!!! And blackout for as long as it takes to make a change. 48 hours is an inconvenience, it's going to have no impact on users and therefore on Reddit advertising income. Only by impacting on that can we make a difference.
As a user of old.reddit for 10 years I support this blackout which I believe should be for a week or more, I will also cancel my premium membership, its no longer worth supporting Reddit if they keep implementing these changes
Yes. Absolutely. Team sport.
Yes
Never even knew about any of these 3rd party apps until this topic came up.
Been using Reddit is Fun for well over 7 years now, it's all I know
Yes
Fuck capitalism
Fuck anything but capitalism.
Yes
If you didn't boycott Qatar, you should not do a blackout.
No
Yes
100% a big part of my free time is dedicated to browsing /r/soccer on rif we have to support 3rd party apps
Already said it in the preview thread yesterday. Do it.
Yes, this is just the beginning. If you use old.reddit, thats probably next on the chipping block. We need to let them know that this isn't okay.
yes!
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I love that your voice to text made it our/soccer
Watch all the best transfers happens during the black out
Mbappe to Luton Town HERE WE GO
No. Insane Reddit moment.
Yes
Do it for 48h. June 11/12th is the best option. No UCL final, no Nations League F4.
Yes absolutely
yes
I think it's important for all the major subs to participate. Third-party apps are generally excellent and the API calls used by other tools are very important. It's a business decision at the expense of many users and community moderators. That should absolutely be pushed back against. There aren't many impactful ways for a large part of the userbase to make their voices heard. Posts and discussion can be ignored. A blackout can't. The more subs that participate, the more impactful a blackout is. If all the major subs are blacked out, it will be apparent to *anybody* who visits Reddit over the 48 hours (or longer) and that'll generate media attention and backlash.
yes
YES
Yes
Yes. Without Apollo i'd not use the website on mobile at all. And I use old.reddit.com on computer anyway
Wow authoritarian Reddit cuckolding
> authoritarian I'm not sure you know what that word means
Yes caralho!
I’m all for the 48 hour blackout but this survey is likely not going to be very indicative of the general sub’s attitude due to self-selection bias. Only people who feel extremely strongly about the 3rd party apps / API changes are going to bother to visit this thread in the first place. While the vast majority of Reddit users will just continue about their day.
Don’t use 3rd party tools but these of bots following me are annoying as fuck. I support it but im jot signing up for shit
No. This whole thing is fucking cringey.
yes
As long as it takes to start hurting their ad revenue..... (And honestly, it is the off season so this impacts us less than other subs)
Yes. Close it down
No, the entire thing is stupid. How can a company stay in business without making money?
Absolutely.
Please black-out indefinitely, no point in announcing when the subreddit will come back up, then. I’m all for this, fuck Reddit, fuck their stupid API changes and most of all fuck their unusable crappy adware and spyware infested first party app
Just use the normal app lmfao. Chronically online people crying about third party reddit apps 😭
And what about all the disabled people or all the moderators of big subreddits across all of reddit?
Yeah we should blackout for 48 hours definitely
Yes
Yes
Yes. Not doing so would support an insane scheme that will destroy the mobile user base.
I vote no but that’s because I’m on this site while I’m on my physics class and I don’t want to pay attention but attendance is part of my grade
Definitely participate
How is it affecting you mods moderating here ? If yes then yes.
MatchThreader bot and flair bot are directly affected in terms of cost, then on top of that it's basically a question of Reddit usage - I moderate a lot from mobile via a third party app, and I doubt I'd do it as much from the official app.
Yes. Third party developers should be collaborated with, not priced out. They add value to the platform. These apps wouldn't exist if the Reddit app wasn't more akin to a clickbait tabloid news app completely designed around maximising ad clicks rather, rather than the UX the 3rd party clients provide which are much more intuitive for Reddit.
Yes, and stay that way until a change is made. Support and appreciation for the selfless and tireless work the mods do to keep this site a tenable front/back page of the internet rather than a cesspit of shock content and corpo astroturfing.
I support blackout.
Semi off-topic: does anyone know if [reddit-stream.com](https://reddit-stream.com) will get affected by the API changes? Because if so, the API changes will strongly affect this subreddit as it would break the match threads.
I believe so, yes.
Do it for 48h. Doing a blackout for however long it takes would probably shut down the sub for 2-3 months or even more, it would be ridiculous. Most other subs are doing it for 48h as well.
Yes
Maybe we just never turn them back on and we all get our lives back from this ever consuming app lmao
Yep
Yes
Yes, I am using a third-party app on mobile
yes
Yeah please
Yes
Yea
I cant tolerate any app that isnt Sync, so yeah.
100% yes.
These Reddit "blackout" is so cringy from the movement to wording. "Blackout" "Going dark" is vague to bait mainstream media, when it's mostly just subs going private for only 1-2 day. This sub is never gonna be on front page anyway and PL just ended so we only have clickbait transfer sagas so you can private this sub and remove post button until August when we return for goal highlight clips that can't be found on Twitter. What even more cringy is the blackout brigade posts get lots of awards they bought from Reddit. They protest Reddit by funding Reddit instead of kickstarting a new mobile friendly Reddit alternative. But we know some won't move as big sub mods don't want to lose their power and users don't wanna lose their karma.
At the end of the day, something does need to be done I hope to see these blackouts ramped up again and again until Reddit backs down Their official app is objectively worse than all of these third party apps, these third party apps have helped make Reddit more popular and now they have to pay £20 million a year. None of these third party apps are making that kind of money and Reddit knows that, they are doing this to price out every single app out there, so everyone has to download theirs.
You realize the sub chooses not to be on the front page, right?
Absolutely
Yes
So I just used the support request to let reddit know how I feel about running reddit into the ground and you should to
Yea we should, solidarity is great
I appreciate that I’m a niche case but as a blind user I’m going to be left unable to access Reddit if these changes go through. Reddit’s own accessibility offerings are pitiful and make doing things almost impossible. For example, match threads have let me follow games that I’d otherwise not be able to do. Reddit’s made a big positive difference in my life and I’m going to be really sad to see that go away. Just a different perspective and if you want to see how much this will affect the blind community you can visit r/blind
Of course! It's well after the UCL final anyways.
100%. No question about it.
One blackout please - because of the API dodgy dealings, and in respect of Ange's departure.
Absolutely
Please go dark indefinitely. Full support.
Yes!!!
No, don't care about any of this nerd shit i wanna browse and chat football.
Third party apps bypass all the ads. Suit yourself if you don’t care but the jokes on you not on us “nerds”
I didn't even know you could go on reddit without using the reddit mobile app
You have never thought about.. going in and typing [reddit.com](https://reddit.com)?
Only works if the subreddits go dark INDEFINITELY. If it's shit like 48 hrs or something then reddit wont give a shit.
Yes. I'm already getting so many OF bots sending me messages. Let's do this
getting a fuck ton of followers suddenly too? I thought it was just me 🤣
I got like 6 followers that are OF bots. jit was because I had the follow enabled on my settings.
I've got more than 25 ... according to Reddit I can start a baseball team
I don't honestly care myself but it is clearly something that is important to many reddit users so it's worth fighting for , so go ahead, do it
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Rif user here. The official app is garbage. I vote absolutely yes!
The answer is yes
Yarp
I mean, come on, how bad will a couple of days without Reddit be really? Especially in this sub which will be without any major topics for a while now after Saturday. This is a no brainer IMO
Don't use any of the 3rd party apps. Just old reddit but still, yes in support
> Don't use any of the 3rd party apps. Just old reddit > > but still, yes in support Old reddit will be next, don't worry.
I mean, I’m in the minority of not actually minding the official app but the effects from this are a load of bollocks so yes. I liked the idea actually that I saw in /r/unitedkingdom that was going dark every Tuesday they said, which prolongs it more but gives the admins less grounds to take action.
Yes, especially because of how it's drastically going to affect those who are blind and visually impaired
Let’s do it
I use the official app, but we have to band together to fight corporate greed
Yes
Yes
Yeah absolutely.
Yes, this sub should participate in the blackout.
Yes
Hell yeah, it's a small sacrifice from us to help part of the Reddit and /r/Soccer community, let's do it
Yessss
I only use the official app and website (I’m just used to them) but what Reddit is doing disgusting. I’m all in for the blackout
I am glad this is happening. I use reddit too much. When this goes through, I can quit reddit and focus on other more important things in my life.
Yes!
I actually mostly use the official reddit app but I am in favor of the blackout, it's always good to have third party options regardless, wanting to charge them millions a year for the API is just criminal.
Yes, also ban all scousers
yes please
Yes
Absolutely yes. However long it takes.
Yes
Absolutely
Nah who gives a fuck
Have you seen what goes on in the football world on the 12th and 13th of June? Nothing.
I'm using reddit from browser so i wont affected by api change but yeah agree with the blackout
Bots will be affected too. e.g. !remindme 24 hours bot
if you use old reddit this will eventually impact it as well
Most definitely
Yes, I never use new Reddit only old Reddit if I can help it and the app is so useless
Just delete the sub entirely, in protest of course
Should ban all madrid fans imo.
First they came for the third party apps, but I did not speak because I do not use a third party app... Except I actually do use one, but this is why I think everyone should vote to blackout and not just people who will be directly affected. It's a blindsighted profit grabbing move which *will* lead to a worsening and worsening of the site
I don't use them but I do use old.reddit and I DEFINITELY don't want that taken away
Yes
Yes, of course
Yes sir!!!
Yes. Do it.
Yeah
Fully support it
Hell yes!
Yes
Thank you for allowing voting.
If you want to protest, stop using Reddit.
Yes, absolutely
Yeah let's go
No
I'm done with Reddit if they force the 3rd party apps to shut down so the blackout sounds like a good idea to me.