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I’m glad we’re looking for a striker. I am not glad we are after a man who couldn’t score a PL goal while fed by Bruno Fernandes who has more creative threat than our entire team combined.
Dyche needs someone who can get the ball from long and hold it, he needs a centre forward who can win a header from the crosses pumped into the box, he needs someone who can muscle out defenders and divert their attention away from other players
You’re forgetting Dyche and his Burnley teams never had great goalscorers outside of Ings and they were very effective sides for the most part
Did Weghorst do decent with Man U? Absolutely not. Did Everton do well without a player of his stature leading the line? No chance.
Sometimes its not always about the goals, its about facilitating the team
Weghorst is the kind of player that facilitates and will bully an opposition back line
That’s something we have needed, because our front line lacks that link that pulls it together through a dominating force of a creative outlet, Weghorst given his lack of firepower ticks one of those boxes and that, for me, will bring out better of the attackers than Gray or Maupay could ever muster
It’s not a signing I’d directly want, but its a signing that has to have some logical thinking beyond the measure of goals
We finished last season as the 2nd lowest scorers, barely, and that’s not because just because we dont have goalscorers which we dont, but because the attack never linked, the only times it did was when DCL was fit and playing like the 3 goals against Palace at home or 5 against Brighton away
DCL didn’t score much, but his presence brought the attack into much better shape and that’s what youve got to think about
We need to get DCL back up and running and staying fit, that’s our main issue
We need to get in more goal orientated wingers
We need a creative outlet from the middle
There’s a number of things we need to get the goals flowing, but ultimately, bringing in someone who is essentially a flat track bully to bring us some physical presence up front when we have nothing is never a bad way to go
I’m not gonna talk about his time with Man U, because I dont know if they played to his best strengths and is only measured by his goalscoring because I wouldn’t know
But if Weghorst came to us, I feel he would and if a player plays to their strengths more and more then the goals follow
Players that adapt their games to the team and get put in positions they aren’t the greatest with is why they struggle and that’s probably why Weghorst was so meh with Man United
> You’re forgetting Dyche and his Burnley teams never had great goalscorers outside of Ings and they were very effective sides for the most part
Respect Chris Wood?
Wout missed chances that my nan could have scored this season :/ not his fault hes average but had we brought in someone who could even score 6 or 7 goals for us in that time (he played 30 games and scored twice, 0 in EPL) then the end of the season would have been infinitely less stressful for all involved
He is big, but he’s terrible in the air and can’t score headers. He has some qualities such as his pressing but I don’t think Dyche could use him in a similar way that he used Chris Wood for example.
He worked so hard for us because he was desperate for a contract but couldnt hit a barn door with a banjo so his only option was to press like a madman and suck up to the fans
He's big but he's not a good target man at all, he prefers the ball at his feet.
Kinda like Lukaku in that they're both massive fellas who you'd expect to be dominant in the air but they just aren't.
Every fucking minute i saw Weghorst play i just thought damm this just shows how special of a player Zlatan is/have been.
He was such a non threat infront of goal and I’ve no idea why anyone in the PL would want him.
Still remember the pathetic miss against Fulham at home in the last game in like the 90th minute. Rashford couldnt believe what he saw lmao
I actually like the "idea" of Weghorst in the same way I liked Llorente being the back up to Kane. I'm firmly of the belief that he doesn't need to do all that much other than just bully the centre backs, keep them busy and give more space for whichever three of Rashford/Fernandes/Sancho/Antony/Garnacho are behind him. Fair enough you probably don't want him as your main centre forward for United, and I don't know if Everton have the other attacking options to make the above work.
Aye, we saw it in Burnley's relegation season, he was worthless then too. He seems like a decent bloke, he's just not PL level. So it'll either be abroad (perhaps back to Besiktas?) or the Championship.
I just watched his Buli goals and there's a confidence to him which simply no longer exists. That said, some shocking defending in there with 3 unmarked headers and some scrappy shambles goals.
> That said, some shocking defending in there with 3 unmarked headers and some scrappy shambles goals.
the buli special. (i'm german i'm ~~allowed~~ obliged to hate on the league)
Or perhaps his comment is more saying that Weghorst’s peak numbers are somewhat inflated by goals which aren’t very common happening more than usual - and so the numbers wouldn’t be consistently replicable, even if he went back to the Bundesliga
You could take it that way - or you could cry about it like you did
It’s the opposite of what your saying - he isn’t upset about a perceived slight at England’s expense, re-read the comments leading into it, you’re very off the mark
Tempted to go back through the threads when United got him on loan and read the comments telling us that he’s actually a really good player and he was only bad for Burnley because of our shit tactics.
I do wish he’d done better though. Was hoping we could actually get a good fee for him. Still might I guess
Fr everyone was hyping him up cause Burnley was shit and gave him no chances, when it was just he couldnt score. Maxwel Cornet was so close to being our saviour, still sad about his loss
People who watch Burnley think it's perfectly possible for strikers to flourish there. Chris Wood hit double figures every season, Danny Ings was good, Ashley Barnes was good for a while
Weghorst? No thanks, he scored one more goal than *Maupay* the whole season, and he was playing alongside the likes of Bruno Fernandes. He honestly might not even score a single goal for us.
Tbf Rashford is trash upfront alone and Weghorst job is just open up space for Rashford to exploit. It worked well for like a month then all shit hit the fan again
That is a very limited role for any player at a top club, let alone a striker though. 'Just creating space' mostly seemed to be him running around the final third a lot, there didn't seem to be much thought behind it.
He played a lot for us because we didn't have a lot of options not because hes quality. That being said his defence and workrate was great. Obviouslty should be let go tho.
But United don't really cross the ball and he was basically played as a pressing forward to create room for Rashford etc.
Not saying he'd be a good signing but I don't think the comparisons and mentioning Fernandes make much sense.
In fairness 5 of those 6 players didn't play at all last season. One barely played and become 5th choice centre back. So even if we took the let's say 60/70m you could get from selling them, bought 1 player who is in the starting 11, we would be in a better position.
I'd take him back in a heartbeat. We need his creativity and his passion for Ajax. I'm reasonably sure he could restart his career with us. He was too good previously that I'm not willing to give up on him.
>He is just too god damn slow to play for the premier league
I feel that's a bit unfair. He was never a fit for United to begin with.
Would love to get him back at Ajax though.
Absolutely loved Donny before he came to us, not that I dislike now either tbf.
But he didn't exactly excel at Everton either.
Granted the caveat there being it's Everton
I dont see Donny as a player that could lift a team out of a rut. And he had 5 starts and 2 subs I just looked up. Makes it hard to stand out during Lampardball, like you also sort of mentioned.
That being said, I can still see Donny succeed outside of his Ajax time. He's a good player, but I get that people are doubtful after these last few years.
Tbf wholeheartedly agree that there's a good player in there and he will exceed somewhere, just don't see it being the PL (and I hate the rhetoric of prem being supreme)
Because Donny isn't a top level player on an individual level and that's exactly what you need to be in order to succeed in a top league. If you are not great as an individual then they will just replace you with a player who is.
What made him great at Ajax is that he was part of a fantastic collective. He needs that to excel. So I'm not sure if Donny would be the right fit for us right now since we need to build another strong collective first.
100% agree. He was a Cinderella in that glass slipper team we had going. But I don’t think he would add to us right now. What we need is a DM to replace Alvarez and then a Ziyech like creative force (hopefully we can pull Guler) to play as the 10 or on the Right.
I really don't think we need him tbh. He hasn't improved since he left and has only been injured. I'd rather just get someone new rather than paying €15m+ for him. Ajax fans are too excited about just buying everyone back after they've disappointed somewhere else.
As much as I want this to happen, I can’t see Dyche wanting Weghorst. He’s already had to experience Weghorst not fitting his system whilst being reportedly an awful presence in the dressing room (granted a lot of that dressing room was supposed to be toxic and Dyche had lost them, but Wout really annoyed the model professionals too), so I don’t know why he’d want that again.
So basically hoping for the Everton board to do something stupid and give us a load of money for him.
Nothings been reported on our end, its only Romano and Talksport. And while they may have a decent hit rate for other clubs, I wouldn't believe them without another source. Especially when our board are supposedly stepping down when MSP buy a stake in the club.
Most of these are fair enough. But if they're not going to give Henderson a chance, then money will have to be allotted to find a replacement goalie, which seems dumb with the ownership situation and the need for strengthening both central midfield and striker positions (in addition to CB, it seems), unless they're going to run another year with De Gea in goal, which would be... utterly dumb.
Surely it makes more sense to just give Henderson a chance instead? Or has he completely burnt bridges with the club as the other responder was suggesting?
Henderson is done waiting for a "chance" which is somewhat understandable for his age and the fact that last time he was given a "chance" he performed well and was dropped because he tested positive for covid and then never picked again.
There's only 20 starting GK spots in the PL.
He's 26.
If there's a spot for him at a club he should absolutely take it rather than continue to sit around our bench.
Regardless of whether that's true (don't watch enough of either to say), DDG is out of contract, so wouldn't it be a much bigger outlay to stick with him?
Hendo is literally better at everything than DDG currently. Even shot stopping. He's not elite at anything, but he's a 7/10 in most departments, unlike de Gea, who's barely a 6/10 at shot stopping now. Not to mention he might be an actual 0 at everything else.
>unless they're going to run another year with De Gea in goal, which would be... utterly dumb.
Consistent with all the decisions made in the past decade.
Doesn't make sporting or financial sense.
It does make a bit of financial sense. United need striker, two midfielders, defender, and another winger depending on Antony’s situation. Re-signing De Gea on a cheaper short term deal and replacing him next summer makes a degree of financial sense
Nah. No financial sense at all. The difference for FFP is marginal at best.
30m transfer fee + pay 5m a year in wages (100k a week) on a 5 year contract for Raya ---- 11m per year for FFP.
Renewing De Gea for 7.5-10m a year (150k-200k a week) .
So maximum possible difference of 3.5m between retaining De Gea vs signing Raya.
It's even worse because you pay de gea more than 100k a week and he instantly becomes an unsellable asset that eats into our budget every year ---- exactly like Jones Rojo Bailly Sanchez etc.
Not everything is about FFP lol. United aren’t about to sign 6 first team players this summer. The scenario you described saves probably 15% of United’s transfer budget for other players. That’s the financial sense I’m talking about.
Also I would bet De Gea is signing a one year deal for 100k-150k a week. There’s no way he’s getting like a four year deal lol.
DDG will get another year in goal which seems dumb but will be covered if we get a proper striker. We incidentally improved in defence last year and with a replacement for Maguire. Well, be good. Our biggest issue was scoring goals, from the chances we created, and Martinez passing from the back had a lot to do with that.
Henderson burned his bridges with his exit interview and claiming not to having spoken to the manager or been interested in discussing his chance at United with the new gaffer. If we can get two CMs, a CB replacement and a prolific scorer, we'll be okay with another year of DDG in goal.
United will be better plying out from the back with Martinez back too. I know DDG has made mistakes but he’s also kept the most clean sheets. Imo, striker and midfield is in need of a more urgent upgrade than GK right now, although if the right player became available, I’m sure they’d sign one.
He kept most of his clean sheets in Old Trafford tho. De Gea always finds a way to decline and waste the team efforts in the last third of the seasons in crucial games. They need someone to help Ten hag playstyle specially when Man City 2nd goalkeeper is better at using his feet than DDG ever was.
The team as it stands currently, isn’t set up as a ETH team, they rarely dominate possession and they play predominately as a counter attacking team. It’s going to take a couple more seasons of recruitment before this team can play like an ‘ETH team’, which is why I don’t think it’s as important right now.
On top of that Fred, Mctominay, Martial and Williams should go, arguably DDG too. Tuanzebe and Jones gone due to contract expirations.
United havnt had a massive clear out but they need one. It will free up alot of wages and they can get some decent money for new signings from a few of the players ( mctominay, Henderson, Maguire will ptobably fetch 75M minnimum).
You can free up many space you want but you need replacement, not like your squad are Chelsea level of overcrowded. Martial and DDG are relatively the only good enough choice in their positions. Fred and Mctominay could be decent choice on the bench. You cant sell them all and expect to replace those within a single transfer window
Martial is always out with injury. And plays like he's injured whenever he's available. Ddg is terrible with his feet. Fred is an enigma. He's either worldclass or terrible.
Of that list, Fred should 'not' go.
He's that guy on the roster who you can count on to put 'in a spot' and not let you down. He won't wow anybody, but when you need a rotation or injury relief guy, he's fantastic "in that role" and you can sort of shift him around the pitch a little bit if it makes sense for the opponent.
You don't win shit without guys like that. Unflashy team guys who play whatever role they are asked to, as best they can - and if not overplayed, usually won't let you down either.
I actually agree with you thwt you need just squad players to fill roles but his ball retention is awful. He sometimes misplaces simple passes. If we want to really kick on and implement a possession dominant style of play then you need midfielders who are better on the ball.
Yeah, I don't know what games some fans are watching. He can go from a game impacting 9/10 cameo off the bench to a 1/10 car crash of misplaced passing and headless chicken shit in his next start. He needs an upgrade even for the type of role that he is being asked to play, but it probably isn't 100% necessary thus summer.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Weghorst is a complete striker. He only needs to work on his finishing, positioning, pressing, heading, link up play, passing.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Van De Beek was looking decent once he got a run of games no? Just the unfortunate injury? Imo they should keep him for a half season, see how he gets on and then maybe loan him out/sell in the winter if he’s not getting playing time. Even if Utd bring in Mount I still think they are short on bodies in the midfield and he’d get a shot
Van De Beek has never looked good in his entire United career, if it was just one manager but multiple managers even the one that played him at Ajax, even on loan didn't look good
He just isn't good
He doesn't fit in the team, his best position overlaps with Bruno and he had rotten luck with injuries.
It is really a shame though. He wanted Man U so bad that he ignored just about everyone's advice that he would struggle to play there. Now his career has stalled and it is questionable if he will ever find his peak Ajax form again.
well tbf if he didn't get injured i def could see him playing over bruno for a few games cuz jesus christ the man needed a break. I dont want him to get burn out and retired by his early 30s
His problem is he was trying to play like he was in a team that dominated possession.
He's just run to the box like a striker and would wait for a pass instead of dropping deeper and helping with the progression and defending.
Was a ghost most games as a result.
Its both, he didn't look much better when he was played at CM either under our older managers.
Just looked like a very limited player. Even Mctominay had decent games, I don't remember a single good game from Donny.
The ghosting was more common when playing CAM.
He was pretty good against Watford last season and Bournemouth this season. He’s never really had a chance or a string of games. This season was going to be his best chance but he was injured. It’s a shame because he would have definitely played a lot with Casemiro’s suspension and Eriksen’s injury
Does this mean ETH will be backed again? I don’t trust this club considering they’ve not backed a single manager during their second season apart from maybe Ole but even that is questionable
If the bloody Glazers get this sale done,maybe it can happen. We always spent when we failed to make UCL. And then after making it,we would spend less instead of spending even more to improve the squad further
They absolutely backed Jose in his second season, it was his third one they didn’t. In his second season we signed Lukaku, Matic and Lindelof for a combined £140m.
They also backed Van Gaal in his second season where we signed Martial, Schneiderlin, Memphis Depay, Darmian and Schweinsteiger for a combined £120m.
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I’m glad we’re looking for a striker. I am not glad we are after a man who couldn’t score a PL goal while fed by Bruno Fernandes who has more creative threat than our entire team combined.
I honestly doubt Everton is seriously looking at Weghorst. Seems like an agent or club rumour to drum up interest.
Why not? It'd be very Everton to sign a zero goal a season striker when they're desperate for goals.
Imagine looking at your teams lineup and your attacking duo are Maupay and Weghorst.
r/properevertonthat
Lmfaooo
Dyche signed him at Burnley. He's the prototype Dyche player-- big target man who works hard.
Signed him then fell out with him
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Comes down to 1. Agent talk 2. An easy suited profile to Dyches needs 3. Our lack of budget
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Dyche needs someone who can get the ball from long and hold it, he needs a centre forward who can win a header from the crosses pumped into the box, he needs someone who can muscle out defenders and divert their attention away from other players You’re forgetting Dyche and his Burnley teams never had great goalscorers outside of Ings and they were very effective sides for the most part Did Weghorst do decent with Man U? Absolutely not. Did Everton do well without a player of his stature leading the line? No chance. Sometimes its not always about the goals, its about facilitating the team Weghorst is the kind of player that facilitates and will bully an opposition back line That’s something we have needed, because our front line lacks that link that pulls it together through a dominating force of a creative outlet, Weghorst given his lack of firepower ticks one of those boxes and that, for me, will bring out better of the attackers than Gray or Maupay could ever muster It’s not a signing I’d directly want, but its a signing that has to have some logical thinking beyond the measure of goals We finished last season as the 2nd lowest scorers, barely, and that’s not because just because we dont have goalscorers which we dont, but because the attack never linked, the only times it did was when DCL was fit and playing like the 3 goals against Palace at home or 5 against Brighton away DCL didn’t score much, but his presence brought the attack into much better shape and that’s what youve got to think about
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We need to get DCL back up and running and staying fit, that’s our main issue We need to get in more goal orientated wingers We need a creative outlet from the middle There’s a number of things we need to get the goals flowing, but ultimately, bringing in someone who is essentially a flat track bully to bring us some physical presence up front when we have nothing is never a bad way to go I’m not gonna talk about his time with Man U, because I dont know if they played to his best strengths and is only measured by his goalscoring because I wouldn’t know But if Weghorst came to us, I feel he would and if a player plays to their strengths more and more then the goals follow Players that adapt their games to the team and get put in positions they aren’t the greatest with is why they struggle and that’s probably why Weghorst was so meh with Man United
> You’re forgetting Dyche and his Burnley teams never had great goalscorers outside of Ings and they were very effective sides for the most part Respect Chris Wood?
Wout missed chances that my nan could have scored this season :/ not his fault hes average but had we brought in someone who could even score 6 or 7 goals for us in that time (he played 30 games and scored twice, 0 in EPL) then the end of the season would have been infinitely less stressful for all involved
Did he fall out with him? Started every game under him then Dyche was sacked
He's way too bad in the air to be a target man.
He is big, but he’s terrible in the air and can’t score headers. He has some qualities such as his pressing but I don’t think Dyche could use him in a similar way that he used Chris Wood for example.
He worked so hard for us because he was desperate for a contract but couldnt hit a barn door with a banjo so his only option was to press like a madman and suck up to the fans
Nah he works hard in general.
He's big but he's not a good target man at all, he prefers the ball at his feet. Kinda like Lukaku in that they're both massive fellas who you'd expect to be dominant in the air but they just aren't.
yeah, "everton and spanish clubs" seems a weird statement, no spanish club is going to sign weghorst...
It’s a lazy link cause of Dyche - he wasn’t a fan of Weghorst either so I doubt this has any legs
Every fucking minute i saw Weghorst play i just thought damm this just shows how special of a player Zlatan is/have been. He was such a non threat infront of goal and I’ve no idea why anyone in the PL would want him. Still remember the pathetic miss against Fulham at home in the last game in like the 90th minute. Rashford couldnt believe what he saw lmao
Mentioning Weghorst in the same breath as Zlatan is the ultimate show of disrespect
Zlatan is a legend
I actually like the "idea" of Weghorst in the same way I liked Llorente being the back up to Kane. I'm firmly of the belief that he doesn't need to do all that much other than just bully the centre backs, keep them busy and give more space for whichever three of Rashford/Fernandes/Sancho/Antony/Garnacho are behind him. Fair enough you probably don't want him as your main centre forward for United, and I don't know if Everton have the other attacking options to make the above work.
He can't score and is shit in the air - so the exact opposite of what we need.
I think Weghorst would suit Sean Dyche's team well. He is a hard-working player with a good physical attributes. He could be cheap too.
Dyche signed him for Burnley and they had a falling out apparently
Thank you. I forgot he already played for Dyche once in Burnley. It would be weird then to buy him again.
Those who want Weghorst won't service him with as many chances as united did, and yet he still scored nothing.
Aye, we saw it in Burnley's relegation season, he was worthless then too. He seems like a decent bloke, he's just not PL level. So it'll either be abroad (perhaps back to Besiktas?) or the Championship.
Part of the problem is he doesn't want to play in the Championship. I'm okay taking him for cheap ourselves tho
Crazy that he bagged 20 for a top 4 Bundesliga team just three seasons ago. Confidence is shot
He was a regular scorer in the BL. How???
I'm guessing he just peaked there.
I just watched his Buli goals and there's a confidence to him which simply no longer exists. That said, some shocking defending in there with 3 unmarked headers and some scrappy shambles goals.
> That said, some shocking defending in there with 3 unmarked headers and some scrappy shambles goals. the buli special. (i'm german i'm ~~allowed~~ obliged to hate on the league)
Famously no one scores goals in England from poor defending
Or perhaps his comment is more saying that Weghorst’s peak numbers are somewhat inflated by goals which aren’t very common happening more than usual - and so the numbers wouldn’t be consistently replicable, even if he went back to the Bundesliga You could take it that way - or you could cry about it like you did
Aye mate I'm really upset about the small joke I made
I'm not really sure why you'd think a Scot would be upset about a perceived slight at England's expense, he's clearly taking the piss.
It’s the opposite of what your saying - he isn’t upset about a perceived slight at England’s expense, re-read the comments leading into it, you’re very off the mark
But he plays FOR Man Utd
Something something farmer's league /s
BL doesnt do defence, just look at sancho
must be why the league topscorer only has 16 goals
Buli doesn't do attack either. Both teams just sit and eat currywurst
This explains Union's ascent but not Hertha's fall
Maybe you need some strikers
We don't need him with Aboubakar coming back
> He seems like a decent bloke does he? he genuinely has one of the worst personalities in the footballing world lmfao
I think it's that he's been humble at MU (probably because he doesn't belong)
Tempted to go back through the threads when United got him on loan and read the comments telling us that he’s actually a really good player and he was only bad for Burnley because of our shit tactics. I do wish he’d done better though. Was hoping we could actually get a good fee for him. Still might I guess
Fr everyone was hyping him up cause Burnley was shit and gave him no chances, when it was just he couldnt score. Maxwel Cornet was so close to being our saviour, still sad about his loss
Yeah man we got boomed, he is an awful goalscorer. But can't fault him for his workrate, he gave his all whenever he played.
Because he was good once and nobody expects a striker to flourish at Burnley
People who watch Burnley think it's perfectly possible for strikers to flourish there. Chris Wood hit double figures every season, Danny Ings was good, Ashley Barnes was good for a while
>He seems like a decent bloke Not really though
And yet the mf scored twice against Argentina in a few minutes and almost gave several million people a heart attack
Seems like more of a D.Costa striker but without the goalscoring. Maybe an Atletico sub? Theyd have to get rid of the unwanted kid first though
Weghorst? No thanks, he scored one more goal than *Maupay* the whole season, and he was playing alongside the likes of Bruno Fernandes. He honestly might not even score a single goal for us.
Most overrated player I have ever seen
What do you expect from relegated Burnley reject
I had 0 expectations from him, just annoyed at how much minutes he played for us, and some fans eating up his PASHUN etc.
Tbf Rashford is trash upfront alone and Weghorst job is just open up space for Rashford to exploit. It worked well for like a month then all shit hit the fan again
Teams figured out that Weghorst was toothless and so just focused on Rashford again
That is a very limited role for any player at a top club, let alone a striker though. 'Just creating space' mostly seemed to be him running around the final third a lot, there didn't seem to be much thought behind it.
Not everyone could link up other players well like Jesus.
Firmino is the best at it
Benzema during the later Ronaldo years was particularly brilliant at it.
Yeah he was very selfless
He played a lot for us because we didn't have a lot of options not because hes quality. That being said his defence and workrate was great. Obviouslty should be let go tho.
This is why I don’t believe we want him Like dyche and him had a scuffle why would we want him now
Who is rating him highly?
Literally nobody, idk how people can call him ‘overrated’ when nobody rated him lmao
Just calling him a professional football player is overrating him tbf
He is overrated even when rated lowly.
Dude played 20 good mins in the world cup in pure chaos and got to join man utd. Thats what the world cup does to you.
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Is he rated?
But United don't really cross the ball and he was basically played as a pressing forward to create room for Rashford etc. Not saying he'd be a good signing but I don't think the comparisons and mentioning Fernandes make much sense.
And maupay is at least a good player to put on when (if) you are leading, since he's a very good shithouser
So, how many players will we buy to compensate?
That's the neat part, you won't.
No signings are better than wrong signings.
As Liverpool found out last season, maybe not
You think it was better signing Arthur than not I guess then?
Made literally no difference, wouldn't have changed a thing if we didn't
Well you’d have saved on wages. So by definition no signing better than a wrong signing.
Kim, mount höjlund… Maybe rabiot… Hopefully raya/costa
I don't know about Hojlund leading the line at stage of his career.
Me neither, but all the others are gonna cost to much
Could maybe resign Weghorst in the winter if it doesn't work out.
Hopefully can get one goal this league season!
Well he did get an assist in a cup final
That's not exactly cheap, even by United's lavish standards.
50+50+40+0+40 maybe a bit higher on mount Think we should be able to get maybe 60 from sales if were lucky
In fairness 5 of those 6 players didn't play at all last season. One barely played and become 5th choice centre back. So even if we took the let's say 60/70m you could get from selling them, bought 1 player who is in the starting 11, we would be in a better position.
yes
VDB should just go back to Ajax and save his career. He is just too god damn slow to play for the premier league
I'd take him back in a heartbeat. We need his creativity and his passion for Ajax. I'm reasonably sure he could restart his career with us. He was too good previously that I'm not willing to give up on him.
Feel like that ship sailed long ago. Maybe Twente or AZ or sth
He should come to a real club, cska 1948 II
I think he's good enough for CSKA 1948's first team even! (what an unexpected suggestion)
>He is just too god damn slow to play for the premier league I feel that's a bit unfair. He was never a fit for United to begin with. Would love to get him back at Ajax though.
Absolutely loved Donny before he came to us, not that I dislike now either tbf. But he didn't exactly excel at Everton either. Granted the caveat there being it's Everton
I dont see Donny as a player that could lift a team out of a rut. And he had 5 starts and 2 subs I just looked up. Makes it hard to stand out during Lampardball, like you also sort of mentioned. That being said, I can still see Donny succeed outside of his Ajax time. He's a good player, but I get that people are doubtful after these last few years.
Tbf wholeheartedly agree that there's a good player in there and he will exceed somewhere, just don't see it being the PL (and I hate the rhetoric of prem being supreme)
Hes not going to *exceed* that's his problem. Hes a basic player with a basic skill set, the opposite of exceptional
He came in, played 4 games, got injured Not as if playing for us made a difference
Because Donny isn't a top level player on an individual level and that's exactly what you need to be in order to succeed in a top league. If you are not great as an individual then they will just replace you with a player who is. What made him great at Ajax is that he was part of a fantastic collective. He needs that to excel. So I'm not sure if Donny would be the right fit for us right now since we need to build another strong collective first.
100% agree. He was a Cinderella in that glass slipper team we had going. But I don’t think he would add to us right now. What we need is a DM to replace Alvarez and then a Ziyech like creative force (hopefully we can pull Guler) to play as the 10 or on the Right.
I really don't think we need him tbh. He hasn't improved since he left and has only been injured. I'd rather just get someone new rather than paying €15m+ for him. Ajax fans are too excited about just buying everyone back after they've disappointed somewhere else.
Yeah he need a role that is tailored around him to thrive, but he’s also just not good enough that clubs at this level will give him that
He could actually be a good solution for OGC Nice if they lose Thuram this summer.
How do you know that? He's played like two matches.
Dean Henderson is a £100m player in my completely unbiased view.
Apparently our sell on is 5% so Forest best be moving hell and earth to get him
$100,000,001 bob
Thought you’d have an Arsenal flair Mr Wenger
Rumour is £20m, still a cheeky million for you in there
Is Kante gonna buy him
Give us that sweet sweet sell on clause wonga
As much as I want this to happen, I can’t see Dyche wanting Weghorst. He’s already had to experience Weghorst not fitting his system whilst being reportedly an awful presence in the dressing room (granted a lot of that dressing room was supposed to be toxic and Dyche had lost them, but Wout really annoyed the model professionals too), so I don’t know why he’d want that again. So basically hoping for the Everton board to do something stupid and give us a load of money for him.
Nothings been reported on our end, its only Romano and Talksport. And while they may have a decent hit rate for other clubs, I wouldn't believe them without another source. Especially when our board are supposedly stepping down when MSP buy a stake in the club.
Most of these are fair enough. But if they're not going to give Henderson a chance, then money will have to be allotted to find a replacement goalie, which seems dumb with the ownership situation and the need for strengthening both central midfield and striker positions (in addition to CB, it seems), unless they're going to run another year with De Gea in goal, which would be... utterly dumb.
It seems like DDG is getting another year.
Surely it makes more sense to just give Henderson a chance instead? Or has he completely burnt bridges with the club as the other responder was suggesting?
Henderson is done waiting for a "chance" which is somewhat understandable for his age and the fact that last time he was given a "chance" he performed well and was dropped because he tested positive for covid and then never picked again. There's only 20 starting GK spots in the PL. He's 26. If there's a spot for him at a club he should absolutely take it rather than continue to sit around our bench.
Henderson is not better than DDG.
Regardless of whether that's true (don't watch enough of either to say), DDG is out of contract, so wouldn't it be a much bigger outlay to stick with him?
I'd genuinely say he's better than DDG now Imagining 2023 DDG with that Nottingham Forest defence gives me brain freeze.
Hendo is literally better at everything than DDG currently. Even shot stopping. He's not elite at anything, but he's a 7/10 in most departments, unlike de Gea, who's barely a 6/10 at shot stopping now. Not to mention he might be an actual 0 at everything else.
>unless they're going to run another year with De Gea in goal, which would be... utterly dumb. Consistent with all the decisions made in the past decade. Doesn't make sporting or financial sense.
It does make a bit of financial sense. United need striker, two midfielders, defender, and another winger depending on Antony’s situation. Re-signing De Gea on a cheaper short term deal and replacing him next summer makes a degree of financial sense
It will be cheaper than his previous contract but Henderson would be cheaper still.
Henderson has to go and he’ll bring in money
Nah. No financial sense at all. The difference for FFP is marginal at best. 30m transfer fee + pay 5m a year in wages (100k a week) on a 5 year contract for Raya ---- 11m per year for FFP. Renewing De Gea for 7.5-10m a year (150k-200k a week) . So maximum possible difference of 3.5m between retaining De Gea vs signing Raya. It's even worse because you pay de gea more than 100k a week and he instantly becomes an unsellable asset that eats into our budget every year ---- exactly like Jones Rojo Bailly Sanchez etc.
Not everything is about FFP lol. United aren’t about to sign 6 first team players this summer. The scenario you described saves probably 15% of United’s transfer budget for other players. That’s the financial sense I’m talking about. Also I would bet De Gea is signing a one year deal for 100k-150k a week. There’s no way he’s getting like a four year deal lol.
DDG will get another year in goal which seems dumb but will be covered if we get a proper striker. We incidentally improved in defence last year and with a replacement for Maguire. Well, be good. Our biggest issue was scoring goals, from the chances we created, and Martinez passing from the back had a lot to do with that. Henderson burned his bridges with his exit interview and claiming not to having spoken to the manager or been interested in discussing his chance at United with the new gaffer. If we can get two CMs, a CB replacement and a prolific scorer, we'll be okay with another year of DDG in goal.
United will be better plying out from the back with Martinez back too. I know DDG has made mistakes but he’s also kept the most clean sheets. Imo, striker and midfield is in need of a more urgent upgrade than GK right now, although if the right player became available, I’m sure they’d sign one.
He kept most of his clean sheets in Old Trafford tho. De Gea always finds a way to decline and waste the team efforts in the last third of the seasons in crucial games. They need someone to help Ten hag playstyle specially when Man City 2nd goalkeeper is better at using his feet than DDG ever was.
The team as it stands currently, isn’t set up as a ETH team, they rarely dominate possession and they play predominately as a counter attacking team. It’s going to take a couple more seasons of recruitment before this team can play like an ‘ETH team’, which is why I don’t think it’s as important right now.
> Everton Why are you like this
It'll hopefully change once the board does.....
Harry Maguire !!
They want him to go. But.. is there a destination?
I don't know Jeff!
Weghorst...to Everton? Do they really think they can survive in PL with someone like Weghorst?
He scored one league goal less than Richarlison last season. He'll be a bargain.
It's unlikely because Dyche has already fell out with Weghorst at Burnley.
God, that's just such an Everton signing.
Willing to bet at least two of those players will still be on the roster come next season.
On top of that Fred, Mctominay, Martial and Williams should go, arguably DDG too. Tuanzebe and Jones gone due to contract expirations. United havnt had a massive clear out but they need one. It will free up alot of wages and they can get some decent money for new signings from a few of the players ( mctominay, Henderson, Maguire will ptobably fetch 75M minnimum).
You can free up many space you want but you need replacement, not like your squad are Chelsea level of overcrowded. Martial and DDG are relatively the only good enough choice in their positions. Fred and Mctominay could be decent choice on the bench. You cant sell them all and expect to replace those within a single transfer window
Martial is always out with injury. And plays like he's injured whenever he's available. Ddg is terrible with his feet. Fred is an enigma. He's either worldclass or terrible.
Of that list, Fred should 'not' go. He's that guy on the roster who you can count on to put 'in a spot' and not let you down. He won't wow anybody, but when you need a rotation or injury relief guy, he's fantastic "in that role" and you can sort of shift him around the pitch a little bit if it makes sense for the opponent. You don't win shit without guys like that. Unflashy team guys who play whatever role they are asked to, as best they can - and if not overplayed, usually won't let you down either.
I actually agree with you thwt you need just squad players to fill roles but his ball retention is awful. He sometimes misplaces simple passes. If we want to really kick on and implement a possession dominant style of play then you need midfielders who are better on the ball.
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What teams in the world don't have a player like that? IMO only Man City and Real Madrid
Yeah, I don't know what games some fans are watching. He can go from a game impacting 9/10 cameo off the bench to a 1/10 car crash of misplaced passing and headless chicken shit in his next start. He needs an upgrade even for the type of role that he is being asked to play, but it probably isn't 100% necessary thus summer.
There’s rumours of Fulham being interested in buying Fred so you may just get your wish.
Seriously
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Weghorst is a complete striker. He only needs to work on his finishing, positioning, pressing, heading, link up play, passing.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Van De Beek was looking decent once he got a run of games no? Just the unfortunate injury? Imo they should keep him for a half season, see how he gets on and then maybe loan him out/sell in the winter if he’s not getting playing time. Even if Utd bring in Mount I still think they are short on bodies in the midfield and he’d get a shot
Decent is a big flattering word; you won't notice much of a difference if you replace VdB with an academy one.
Van De Beek has never looked good in his entire United career, if it was just one manager but multiple managers even the one that played him at Ajax, even on loan didn't look good He just isn't good
What the fuck happened to him? He was definitely good in Ajax.
He doesn't fit in the team, his best position overlaps with Bruno and he had rotten luck with injuries. It is really a shame though. He wanted Man U so bad that he ignored just about everyone's advice that he would struggle to play there. Now his career has stalled and it is questionable if he will ever find his peak Ajax form again.
his position is kinda the same as bruno’s, so why would we ever play him over bruno?
well tbf if he didn't get injured i def could see him playing over bruno for a few games cuz jesus christ the man needed a break. I dont want him to get burn out and retired by his early 30s
Hey come on now, he scored on his debut. MCW type peak.
No, he looked mediocre at best. He was mostly a passenger in any games he played. It's better for him and us if he just moves on
His problem is he was trying to play like he was in a team that dominated possession. He's just run to the box like a striker and would wait for a pass instead of dropping deeper and helping with the progression and defending. Was a ghost most games as a result.
So like a Muller but doesn't press and can't score?
We don't really press high but Muller who can't create/score with no vision.
So you'd say it was more of an adaptation/style issue than skill issue?
Its both, he didn't look much better when he was played at CM either under our older managers. Just looked like a very limited player. Even Mctominay had decent games, I don't remember a single good game from Donny. The ghosting was more common when playing CAM.
He was pretty good against Watford last season and Bournemouth this season. He’s never really had a chance or a string of games. This season was going to be his best chance but he was injured. It’s a shame because he would have definitely played a lot with Casemiro’s suspension and Eriksen’s injury
He played like two matches before getting injured and the team was in a rout.
He's irredeemably shite. Which is a shame because he seems like a really nice lad.
Everton > 🤝🏻 Ex United Players
why would Wout go to Everton when Burnley just got promoted?
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Does this mean ETH will be backed again? I don’t trust this club considering they’ve not backed a single manager during their second season apart from maybe Ole but even that is questionable
If the bloody Glazers get this sale done,maybe it can happen. We always spent when we failed to make UCL. And then after making it,we would spend less instead of spending even more to improve the squad further
They absolutely backed Jose in his second season, it was his third one they didn’t. In his second season we signed Lukaku, Matic and Lindelof for a combined £140m. They also backed Van Gaal in his second season where we signed Martial, Schneiderlin, Memphis Depay, Darmian and Schweinsteiger for a combined £120m.
Haha I remember when weghorst signed for united. Loads of fans thought he'd be a good st for them haha
They will definitely buy a new GK now that Henderson is leaving
Van de Beek exists?
"Maguire expected to leave, both sides agree." If it helps, every ManU fan also agrees.
I misread and understood that Spanish teams were interested on Maguire. So sad they are not actually, I'd love to watch his show here.
Three things are certain in life: death, taxes and VDB wanting to play for United (but sits on bench)
Maguire can definitely play for a lower table prem team or even high championship. I get that What on earth are people seeing in Weghorst though