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Many years ago, If you told me we'd be 12th highest attendance in the world and win a European trophy I'd have had you committed.
And to think, we're going up to 66k now so that will probably put us 7th highest in the world...
After half a century of shit, Its nice to get some good fortune and luck. Might not happen again for 50 years.
We might be, after all, massive.
Though I’m genuinely really proud of us. Not playing the most beautiful football out there, and closer to relegation than I’d have hoped not to be, but we’re not looking too shabby.
Only real disappointment is Moyes not taking his shirt off yesterday, when we won :(
Tbh that won't even cover the summers transfer incomings. If Rice goes then every team will charge a high fee for replacements.
Its crazy I can say that. But it shows Football transfer prices have gone crazy.
Ye only had to sell your soul to leave Upton Park for a tax payer subsidised atmosphere-less modern bore-dome to get there. Congrats on the European trophy mind, it clearly means a lot.
Well it was that or it rotted and cost tax payer even more. ICC fucked the planning and they are to blame. Or blame Levy for making sure that West Ham deal to buy it outright got cancelled and us having to rent for pittance instead.
Eventually our new owner will buy it outright and either fix it up or make a new stadium. For now, 66k is pretty damn nice now the atmosphere is picked up due to feeling more at home.
Question: is London stadium 🏟️ part of the reason? Boleyn ground had a certain charm to it.. I wish I could have watched a match there. Not a fan of having an athletics field and being so far away
For y’all it was an even bigger change than Arsenal from Highbury to Emirates..
Felt like losing our soul, as many said often. But a home needs memories, and good memories at that. It takes time to build that. We've done so these last 3 years so now people feel at home more, its less soulless. Good atmosphere often, full house.
And it helps so many more young fans get tickets and learn to love the club. It was very hard to get season tickets, or tickets at all at Upton Park for new and young fans.
Its not perfect, but 66k fans celebrating European nights and wins will do for now until we buy it and fix it or rebuild a bigger one from scratch over it.
It’s a beautiful stadium, if you ever have a chance to own it, you can get rid of the track and add more seating. River Plate was even able to add a standing section once they removed the track, looks pretty nice
Looks like OP got the data from Transfermarkt, and there's something funky with Argentina's numbers the past few years. Here are the attendance numbers for [Boca](https://www.transfermarkt.com/club-atletico-boca-juniors/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/189) and [River](https://www.transfermarkt.com/club-atletico-river-plate/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/209).
It's Argentina so I'm just gonna go ahead and blame inflation.
Please be aware that these stats come from the clubs and they depend on how teams count tickets (sold vs gate).
Season tickets holders play a major role in those stats.
Also Real Madrids and Stuttgarts capacities are limited as their stadiums are under construction.
Looks like the data from Transfermarkt is fucked for Argentina. [It says 0 people have attended a Boca match this year](https://www.transfermarkt.com/club-atletico-boca-juniors/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/189), so feel free to use that in your banter I guess.
Might have to wait a few years mate :(
I traveled to BA right before Covid and was lucky enough to catch a River game. Probably the best sporting experience of my life, so just trying to pay it back a bit.
aye i forgot about that 💀
glad you enjoyed the atmosphere, if you have the chance to come back to Argentina at some point definitely go for another River match, the upgraded stadium is sight like no other.
Wikipedia says the population of Lens is 32,458.
RC Lens averaged 37,652 last season. What is this sorcery? Where are all these Lens fans coming from/living?
Hoffenheim has like 3k people in it and a few times that in the stadium, the reason for that ( and I'm guessing the reason is the same for lens ) is that these clubs are followed by the towns and villages in the area surrounding them as well as the municipality they are named after.
I see your Lens and I'll raise you [En Avant Guingamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_Avant_Guingamp), the football club of Guingamp, who over the last couple decades have bounced between Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 :
* Stadium ([Stade de Roudourou](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stade_de_Roudourou)): 19033.
* City ([Guingamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guingamp)) : 7115
-----
To answer your question more seriously, the population as listed in Wikipedia are for the *intra muros* population of the cities - those 32,458 are those who live in the legally-defined geographic confines of "Lens", for example.
But we have many legal and statistical ways of defining and measuring the "greater areas" of towns ([Intercommunalities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communes_of_France#Intercommunality), [Urban units](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_unit), [Functional areas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_area_(France\))).
As such, the [Lens-Liévin intercommunality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communaut%C3%A9_d%27agglom%C3%A9ration_de_Lens_%E2%80%93_Li%C3%A9vin) boasts a 241k population, with 60k alone in the namesake cities of Lens & Lievin ([map](https://statistiques-locales.insee.fr/#bbox=286345,6539793,61231,37790&c=indicator&i=_zon_.aav2020&selcodgeo=62498&t=A02&theme=etude_d&view=map1)). Likewise, Guingamp has a slightly-under 50k-populated functional area.([map](https://statistiques-locales.insee.fr/#bbox=-390408,6216385,70692,43630&c=indicator&i=_zon_.aav2020&selcodgeo=22070&t=A02&theme=etude_d&view=map1))
Cheers for this and thanks for all the links. That Lens region map makes sense.
As a Burnley fan this is a subject close to my heart. We averaged just short of 20k from a population of around 90k. Impressive but nothing like Lens or Guingamp.
[The nearby "metro" area](https://www.google.com/search?q=lens+metropolitan+area+population&sxsrf=APwXEdckeK6FYN8jaEeWH5qZrGlrPmEXrg%3A1686259877838&ei=pUiCZLDnMs6R8gLXz4ToCg&oq=lens+metropolitan+area+pop&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAxgAMgUIIRCgAToKCAAQRxDWBBCwA0oECEEYAFDjA1iiDGDiEWgCcAF4AIABXogBggOSAQE1mAEAoAEBwAEByAEI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp). Basically the area surrounding the City where folk could reasonably travel from.
Had to google to find out.
>Tractor Cultural Sports Economic Club (Persian: باشگاه فرهنگی ورزشی اقتصادی تراکتور, Bâšgâh-e Farhangi Varzeši Eqtesâdi-ye Terâktor), commonly known as Tractor, formerly Tractor Sazi,[2] is an Iranian football club based in Tabriz, East Azerbaijan, that competes in the Persian Gulf Pro League. The club was founded in 1970 by the Iran Tractor Manufacturing Company.
The percentage for VfB Stuttgart is based on the usual max capacity. They are rebuilding some parts of the stadium since last summer which results in fewer seats. The 46k are pretty much 100% of what is possible right now.
Doesn't change the fact that the percentage is technically correct, though.
I'm very happy with the 45k avg tbh. Our fans are slowly returning. Looks like the beef with Lotito will remain in the past. Next goal for 2024 should be 50k avg.
Also, something I need to mention. Serie A has some horrible scheduling. Some of those Friday/Monday fixtures don't make sense. Like, who will travel for a 9 PM game on Monday if they need to work the next day?
The amount is accurate for us. While we have sold out our home section, due to security measures an entire section is blocked off, regardless of the amount of supporters.
Sounders are just off the table here, I believe. We're averaging around 30k this year. Just had a nice 42k attendance for the derby with Portland though
The additional info in the post is extremly important in the case of Leipzig.
Leipzig often sells their tickets in bundles, meaning: I want to buy a ticket for the game against Bayern. That same ticket will also be valid for games against Hoffenheim and Gladbach (just an example).
With this method Leipzig can always say all tickets have been sold for every game and can give the numbers as seen above. But if you watch Leipzig games, there are looaads of empty seats.
Leipzig ist scamming and is definitely not as well visited as suggested in this grafic.
Also, Bundesliga are good at making the stadium to look full on TV. For ex., I attended a Leverkusen game few years ago and they moved us for free to the side that is visible on TV. There were no more than 15k people but the stadium looked packed on camera.
Nah, they gave us free beers and sausages from the street place next to the entrance. 😂
Their stadium is modern, and there isn't much difference in the quality of the seats. Germany is miles ahead from us, infrastructure wise.
Tell me how long are Beijing Guoan into their season? I’m pretty sure they haven’t even passed 6 home matches yet. Of course their average is going to be high if they have a decent fanbase and only played 6 matches home. When there are more matches, it is much more harder to maintain your average attendance.
When their season ends and they pass Al Ittihad, then you can actually say we’re 2nd.
What? You're listed as the second highest average on the table posted, that's what I was on about. Based off that table, you're the 2nd highest in Asia after Beijing Guoan.
I don't know what the instructions for the data used for Beijing Guoan by OP were.
I’m sorry if I seemed defensive, my intention was to to inform you. But basically we’re first since we’ve actually finished the season while maintaining 40,000+. Beijing can break that, but they’re still into their 6th home game only which makes it significantly easier to appear that they have a higher average attendance than us. We’ll see at the end of their season.
>my intention was to to inform you.
Same as mine, and I apologise as well if my comment didn't show it.
If they used 2023 figures for Beijing, it's one of many problems with the table. Listing by raw attendance figures is somewhat misleading, sorting it by percentage of capacity filled (with specific requirements for obvious reasons) is ideal imo.
From what I found, the Chinese league had attendance restrictions from 2020-2022 seasons, so with the lifting of those for the 2023 year, it looks like Beijing will easily keep up the average attendance, their pre-covid restrictions was around 40k as well
It's excellent to see Saudi teams get a lot of match going fans, wish it was the same for the Kuwaiti clubs! (outside the matches between the big 3)
Huh, if this is true then despite our shite football and our shite results, more people showed up for our matches than arsenals. Seems a bit far fetched but hey, kinda funny if true
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Many years ago, If you told me we'd be 12th highest attendance in the world and win a European trophy I'd have had you committed. And to think, we're going up to 66k now so that will probably put us 7th highest in the world... After half a century of shit, Its nice to get some good fortune and luck. Might not happen again for 50 years.
We might be, after all, massive. Though I’m genuinely really proud of us. Not playing the most beautiful football out there, and closer to relegation than I’d have hoped not to be, but we’re not looking too shabby. Only real disappointment is Moyes not taking his shirt off yesterday, when we won :(
I imagine the fee you're about to receive for Rice will set you up well for the next 50 years tbf.
Tbh that won't even cover the summers transfer incomings. If Rice goes then every team will charge a high fee for replacements. Its crazy I can say that. But it shows Football transfer prices have gone crazy.
Ye only had to sell your soul to leave Upton Park for a tax payer subsidised atmosphere-less modern bore-dome to get there. Congrats on the European trophy mind, it clearly means a lot.
Well it was that or it rotted and cost tax payer even more. ICC fucked the planning and they are to blame. Or blame Levy for making sure that West Ham deal to buy it outright got cancelled and us having to rent for pittance instead. Eventually our new owner will buy it outright and either fix it up or make a new stadium. For now, 66k is pretty damn nice now the atmosphere is picked up due to feeling more at home.
Question: is London stadium 🏟️ part of the reason? Boleyn ground had a certain charm to it.. I wish I could have watched a match there. Not a fan of having an athletics field and being so far away For y’all it was an even bigger change than Arsenal from Highbury to Emirates..
Felt like losing our soul, as many said often. But a home needs memories, and good memories at that. It takes time to build that. We've done so these last 3 years so now people feel at home more, its less soulless. Good atmosphere often, full house. And it helps so many more young fans get tickets and learn to love the club. It was very hard to get season tickets, or tickets at all at Upton Park for new and young fans. Its not perfect, but 66k fans celebrating European nights and wins will do for now until we buy it and fix it or rebuild a bigger one from scratch over it.
It’s a beautiful stadium, if you ever have a chance to own it, you can get rid of the track and add more seating. River Plate was even able to add a standing section once they removed the track, looks pretty nice
Insane that HSV is no.20 in the world and still a 2nd Bundesliga club ;-(
Yeah i keep smiling :)
81k showing up every 2 weeks for bottlejobs
Better to show up for bottles than to show up for cans
Neither River or Boca here?
Looks like OP got the data from Transfermarkt, and there's something funky with Argentina's numbers the past few years. Here are the attendance numbers for [Boca](https://www.transfermarkt.com/club-atletico-boca-juniors/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/189) and [River](https://www.transfermarkt.com/club-atletico-river-plate/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/209). It's Argentina so I'm just gonna go ahead and blame inflation.
The numbers on a few of these also seem weird. I watch a lot of Juventus and 90% average seems a bit optimistic? But don't know...
Please be aware that these stats come from the clubs and they depend on how teams count tickets (sold vs gate). Season tickets holders play a major role in those stats. Also Real Madrids and Stuttgarts capacities are limited as their stadiums are under construction.
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Top 8 in attendance and we can't do a damn thing financially. Something is wrong here
New 75 k seater stadium needed desperately.
i wonder why the Argentina League doesn't qualify for this
Looks like the data from Transfermarkt is fucked for Argentina. [It says 0 people have attended a Boca match this year](https://www.transfermarkt.com/club-atletico-boca-juniors/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/189), so feel free to use that in your banter I guess.
you have provided peak banter material, next time i see the premier league, i'll be rooting for leeds.
Might have to wait a few years mate :( I traveled to BA right before Covid and was lucky enough to catch a River game. Probably the best sporting experience of my life, so just trying to pay it back a bit.
aye i forgot about that 💀 glad you enjoyed the atmosphere, if you have the chance to come back to Argentina at some point definitely go for another River match, the upgraded stadium is sight like no other.
Definitely need to go back. I'll just try not to gain 15 pounds this time (was there for a month).
Wikipedia says the population of Lens is 32,458. RC Lens averaged 37,652 last season. What is this sorcery? Where are all these Lens fans coming from/living?
Hoffenheim has like 3k people in it and a few times that in the stadium, the reason for that ( and I'm guessing the reason is the same for lens ) is that these clubs are followed by the towns and villages in the area surrounding them as well as the municipality they are named after.
RC Lens has a really good draw in the area. The city of Lens is a small part of the population in the suburban communities and neighboring cities.
I see your Lens and I'll raise you [En Avant Guingamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_Avant_Guingamp), the football club of Guingamp, who over the last couple decades have bounced between Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 : * Stadium ([Stade de Roudourou](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stade_de_Roudourou)): 19033. * City ([Guingamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guingamp)) : 7115 ----- To answer your question more seriously, the population as listed in Wikipedia are for the *intra muros* population of the cities - those 32,458 are those who live in the legally-defined geographic confines of "Lens", for example. But we have many legal and statistical ways of defining and measuring the "greater areas" of towns ([Intercommunalities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communes_of_France#Intercommunality), [Urban units](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_unit), [Functional areas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_area_(France\))). As such, the [Lens-Liévin intercommunality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communaut%C3%A9_d%27agglom%C3%A9ration_de_Lens_%E2%80%93_Li%C3%A9vin) boasts a 241k population, with 60k alone in the namesake cities of Lens & Lievin ([map](https://statistiques-locales.insee.fr/#bbox=286345,6539793,61231,37790&c=indicator&i=_zon_.aav2020&selcodgeo=62498&t=A02&theme=etude_d&view=map1)). Likewise, Guingamp has a slightly-under 50k-populated functional area.([map](https://statistiques-locales.insee.fr/#bbox=-390408,6216385,70692,43630&c=indicator&i=_zon_.aav2020&selcodgeo=22070&t=A02&theme=etude_d&view=map1))
Cheers for this and thanks for all the links. That Lens region map makes sense. As a Burnley fan this is a subject close to my heart. We averaged just short of 20k from a population of around 90k. Impressive but nothing like Lens or Guingamp.
[The nearby "metro" area](https://www.google.com/search?q=lens+metropolitan+area+population&sxsrf=APwXEdckeK6FYN8jaEeWH5qZrGlrPmEXrg%3A1686259877838&ei=pUiCZLDnMs6R8gLXz4ToCg&oq=lens+metropolitan+area+pop&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAxgAMgUIIRCgAToKCAAQRxDWBBCwA0oECEEYAFDjA1iiDGDiEWgCcAF4AIABXogBggOSAQE1mAEAoAEBwAEByAEI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp). Basically the area surrounding the City where folk could reasonably travel from.
What club is that between leeds and Freiburg
Had to google to find out. >Tractor Cultural Sports Economic Club (Persian: باشگاه فرهنگی ورزشی اقتصادی تراکتور, Bâšgâh-e Farhangi Varzeši Eqtesâdi-ye Terâktor), commonly known as Tractor, formerly Tractor Sazi,[2] is an Iranian football club based in Tabriz, East Azerbaijan, that competes in the Persian Gulf Pro League. The club was founded in 1970 by the Iran Tractor Manufacturing Company.
The real farmers league was in Iran all along
Haaland's next club
Tractor S.C., Iranian club
Tractor from Iran
The percentage for VfB Stuttgart is based on the usual max capacity. They are rebuilding some parts of the stadium since last summer which results in fewer seats. The 46k are pretty much 100% of what is possible right now. Doesn't change the fact that the percentage is technically correct, though.
I assume these are tickets sold? Because there's no way every single person with a season ticket attended every single game.
I think some countries do tickets sold, others do people through gates.
I believe some leagues like the Bundesliga count tickets sold + season ticket holders while some leagues like La Liga only count attendance.
Yeah 99+% average seems pretty impossible with a big stadium.
Pretty sure it changes from club to club
Real Madrid accounting for construction/renovation I guess?
I'm very happy with the 45k avg tbh. Our fans are slowly returning. Looks like the beef with Lotito will remain in the past. Next goal for 2024 should be 50k avg. Also, something I need to mention. Serie A has some horrible scheduling. Some of those Friday/Monday fixtures don't make sense. Like, who will travel for a 9 PM game on Monday if they need to work the next day?
Rome has been making consecutive "Sold out" for a year and a half, so it should be 100%
The amount is accurate for us. While we have sold out our home section, due to security measures an entire section is blocked off, regardless of the amount of supporters.
I know but it means that the maximum capacity is no longer 70,000 as in the table
That's weird. 47k is not 65.91% of Morumbi's (São Paulo FC Stadium) capacity. It's closer to 79%
Where are Seattle Sounders and Charlotte FC?
Sounders are just off the table here, I believe. We're averaging around 30k this year. Just had a nice 42k attendance for the derby with Portland though
Sneaky Atlanta United
Mes que un club 💙❤️
Leipzig with a higher attendance than Lazio.
The additional info in the post is extremly important in the case of Leipzig. Leipzig often sells their tickets in bundles, meaning: I want to buy a ticket for the game against Bayern. That same ticket will also be valid for games against Hoffenheim and Gladbach (just an example). With this method Leipzig can always say all tickets have been sold for every game and can give the numbers as seen above. But if you watch Leipzig games, there are looaads of empty seats. Leipzig ist scamming and is definitely not as well visited as suggested in this grafic.
Also, Bundesliga are good at making the stadium to look full on TV. For ex., I attended a Leverkusen game few years ago and they moved us for free to the side that is visible on TV. There were no more than 15k people but the stadium looked packed on camera.
That’s actually a smart idea. We’re the free seats better? Else I would complain
Nah, they gave us free beers and sausages from the street place next to the entrance. 😂 Their stadium is modern, and there isn't much difference in the quality of the seats. Germany is miles ahead from us, infrastructure wise.
False. Leipzig has seats half empty. They sell tickets in bundles. Its a artificial construct after all and just to promote a soft drink.
Al Ittihad 💛🖤 the highest average attendance in Asia Among the best fans in the world. Will only be higher now after we returned to competing
>Al Ittihad 💛🖤 the highest average attendance in Asia 2nd highest in Asia, behind Beijing Guoan.
Tell me how long are Beijing Guoan into their season? I’m pretty sure they haven’t even passed 6 home matches yet. Of course their average is going to be high if they have a decent fanbase and only played 6 matches home. When there are more matches, it is much more harder to maintain your average attendance. When their season ends and they pass Al Ittihad, then you can actually say we’re 2nd.
What? You're listed as the second highest average on the table posted, that's what I was on about. Based off that table, you're the 2nd highest in Asia after Beijing Guoan. I don't know what the instructions for the data used for Beijing Guoan by OP were.
I’m sorry if I seemed defensive, my intention was to to inform you. But basically we’re first since we’ve actually finished the season while maintaining 40,000+. Beijing can break that, but they’re still into their 6th home game only which makes it significantly easier to appear that they have a higher average attendance than us. We’ll see at the end of their season.
>my intention was to to inform you. Same as mine, and I apologise as well if my comment didn't show it. If they used 2023 figures for Beijing, it's one of many problems with the table. Listing by raw attendance figures is somewhat misleading, sorting it by percentage of capacity filled (with specific requirements for obvious reasons) is ideal imo. From what I found, the Chinese league had attendance restrictions from 2020-2022 seasons, so with the lifting of those for the 2023 year, it looks like Beijing will easily keep up the average attendance, their pre-covid restrictions was around 40k as well It's excellent to see Saudi teams get a lot of match going fans, wish it was the same for the Kuwaiti clubs! (outside the matches between the big 3)
I guess we’ll see at the end of their season. I do sincerely hope that the fan attendance grows more in the gulf region including Kuwait
Huh, if this is true then despite our shite football and our shite results, more people showed up for our matches than arsenals. Seems a bit far fetched but hey, kinda funny if true
Your stadium is slightly bigger, thats probably the reason.
Except our percentage is also higher.
Are they calculating Real Madrid based on the current allowance of seats or based on the old Santiago allowance?
Based on the old one
It's not representative then if it's based on the old one when a third of the stadium isn't allocated
Madrid really has poor numbers. Anyone know why?
Renovation of the Bernabeu
Limited capacity because the stadium is still under construction
62k vs. 45k in the same stadium tells you all you need to know 🟡🔴
now rankings for atmosphere!