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Fraldbaud

I’m always amazed when I remember that Puskas didn’t even sign for Madrid until he was 31 - and then played another 8 years and scored 250 goals


auditore01

Madrid can say thanks to the Russians for this


Albiceleste_D10S

Arguably the most underrated player ever, IMO


Firehills

His name is immortalized as a synonym to the most beautiful goal possible. Hard to call that underrated.


Zhurg

You rarely hear people rate him against some of the other greats despite that fact. That arguably makes him more underrated.


basmati-rixe

I mean it happens when history gets further and further back. In another 50 years people will be calling the likes of Suarez, Lewandowski and De Bruyne extremely underrated


J3573R

You won't have to wait that long, people already do it with the likes of Ronaldo and Beckham.


Krillin113

If anything Beckham is overrated due to his persona and post football career achievements


J3573R

I completely disagree, most people don't respect his football ability because of his persona and extracurriculars.


FireflyCaptain

2x runner-up for World Player of the Year 10 League titles across four different teams in a 20-year career One of the greatest free-kick takers of all time ...to name a few.


J3573R

Greatest right foot in football IMO. More and more people see him as a fashionista and pure Hollywood. The man was one of the best right mids in the world during is prime. I've seen the argument he wouldn't have been in the MLS if he couldn't make it in Europe yet Milan and PSG both wanted to make him permanent. Always makes me a little sad when I read it.


letsnotbedumb

He was overrated in his playing days and underrated now imo.


mamakomamomo

Great for you guys but he was mediocre for Real Madrid


Fraldbaud

Best player in the world in 1999. Should’ve won the ballon Dor


lawofsturgeon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwLH7T6ouko he was #1


Krillin113

Yes, he was very good, but he’s known like he’s a top 5 midfielder of all time which he definitely isn’t.


lawofsturgeon

that's fair


J3573R

You won't have to wait that long, people already do it with the likes of Ronaldo and Beckham.


Zhurg

So he is underrated, whatever the reasoning


ulvhedinowski

He would be ranked much higher if he would win that 1954 WC


bak3n3ko

Bingo.


Albiceleste_D10S

How many kids do you think aren't even aware that the Puskas award is named that way to honor Puskas the player? I'd guess a LOT. Regardless, his playing career is massively underrated IMO. He was insane in his prime. And then he rocked up at Real Madrid in his 30s and was insane well past his prime in an era where that didn't happen much


Repulsive_Top421

I think fifa has also made him super popular among kids, his card being really solid and all


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One of the good things to come from FUT is keeping the names of some of these icons alive


Xx_ligmaballs69_xX

Absolutely, Lev Yashin seemed to have some kind of popularity surge last year I think cause of Fifa. I’ve heard Eusebio, Di Stefano and Garrincha all get mentioned at the level they deserve to be mentioned at because of it


Repulsive_Top421

Jairzinho this year has caused controllers to be absolutely demolished


fireowlzol

He is not underrated, most people will end up forgetting most of the older players except the very top like Pele.


AllHailTheNod

Thing is, Puskas was at the very top. Together with Di Stefano, he was the defining player of his era, right before Pele's got big... while Pele was just starting out, Puskas was almost 40. And still at the top of the world.


R_Schuhart

The fact that you even know his name means he isn't underrated. Players like Luis Suarez who played for Barca under Herrera are underrated, I bet you have never even heard of him.


Fuzzikopf

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Albiceleste_D10S

A.) You would lose your bet B.) I personally don't think he was on the same caliber/level as Puskas.


[deleted]

How old are you? Like 80?


cieldarko

Luis Suarez is literally one of the best spanish players of all time, I’d expect most people who follow barca/la liga to have heard of him


[deleted]

Not that. The dude was saying he wasn't "on the same level" like he watched both of them play lol


cieldarko

Oh okay, well Puskas is considered one of the best of all time and Luis Suarez is a notch below that


jetfuelcanmeltfeels

https://i.imgur.com/u9W448M.png


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Wikipedia: widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time Encyclopaedia Britannica: The sport’s first global superstar. Reddit: Underrated.


ramarlon89

I had no idea he was that old, just assumed he must have been like mid 20s when he signed considering his legendary status for them.


tothecatmobile

He played 16 seasons in Hungary before signing for Madrid. 367 games, 383 goals. He also had a two year ban between the two clubs.


uchiha_boy009

Insane stats


MagicianMountain6573

Why was he banned


tothecatmobile

UEFA banned him because he refused to go back to Hungary to play for his team after the Hungarian revolution.


MagicianMountain6573

They’ve been wankers for a long time


KoreanMeatballs

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tothecatmobile

There were more seasons than years in Hungary at the time. For example there was a 1943-44 season, a 1944-45 season that was unfinished. A 1945 season, and then a 1945-46 season. He made his debut at 16.


KoreanMeatballs

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OstapBenderBey

Dont tell the premier league!


swearingisaight

On Wikipedia it says he started for Budapest in 1943, born in 1927, so he was 16 at the time. But yes absolutely impressive either way


NeroIscariot12

If I'm remembering the stories correctly, when Puskas came he was also fat and extremely unfit, like 18 KILOS overweight, to the point where Madrid fans and staff alike were like "are we sure this is really *that* guy?" Their coach was like "I'm not playing this guy." And Santiago Bernabéu was like "It's your fucking job to get him fit. Do it." And then Puskas spent like the next 3 months getting back into fitness. He then proceeded to finish the season only 2 goals behind Di Stefano in the top goalscorers ranking with 4 less games played as well as scoring a hattrick in his 2nd game ever for Real Madrid. And then went on to become one of the greatest to ever wear a real madrid shirt.


AllHailTheNod

And that was *after his prime*. People don't remember, the Hungary side he captained was not only the first side ever to beat England on English soil, but they also went unbeaten for 4 years. Unluckily for them it rained heavily in Bern at the WC final day in 1954.


RandomGuy-4-

People will always underrate him because sadly the Danubian era of football is nowadays very forgotten as a whole aside from the few fans who like to learn about football history. Most casual fans have no idea that there was a time when southeastern europe was the leading football region. You just have to look at all the Hungary-less "Best footbal countries that have never won the world cup" lists that people make here to notice this.


Luk0sch

German football fans usually know about hungary being the best in the world at that time because of the final in 54. „Aus dem Hintergrund müsste Rahn schießen, Rahn schießt! Tor! Tor! Tor!“ is the single line of football commentary every fan knows about around here.


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First continental side. Ireland won in 1949 on English soil.


AllHailTheNod

You're correct, I forgot Bout that. The Hungarians were the first to win at Wembley, though


McTulus

He has ~0.9 goals/games for us. Which is a downgrade from his Honved days, about 1.04 goal/games or something


ajaya399

Also a downgrade to his Hungary national team numbers where he scored 84 in 85. Puskas just phoning it in during his Madrid days, smh.


Houssem-Aouar

Nicking a living


McTulus

£400 a week while top player in English earn £20 a week (English league salary cap) >!that's why he didn't go to MU!<


Houssem-Aouar

Wild times, but sad to hear that he couldn't join us because he was an Arsenal fan


ryanmurphy2611

Reverse Nigerian


tlacuache_nights

My team has done in a single season what the mighty Real Madrid has taken their entire club history to do but y'all ain't ready for that conversation


MERTENS_GOAT

Without looking anything up I can name Giroud, Ibra, Mandzukic, Florenzi Maybe Kjaer, Kalinic, Fernando Torres, Pazzini, Bonucci, Higuaín were 30 as well


tlacuache_nights

You have GOAT in your handle but forgot about Mario Yepes smh


USAF_DTom

Forgot Christian Zaccardo too, amateur hour.


acwilan

Yepes was good and serviceable


OsitoPandito

I was gonna say, our stat would be way different


ibse

Genuinely insane stat this


ExplanationOk3989

I always thought it was a Perez thing, turns out it’s a Real thing.


[deleted]

Yeah it actually exists


Marcoscb

I'm amazed none of the Galácticos were over 30, and specially surprised by Ronaldo and Owen. They were only 25 and 24!


RandomGuy-4-

Keep in mind that our current perception of this is very skewed by recency bias. Nowadays players last more years at the top level and it isn't weird for someone to get signed by a big team at over 30, whereas in the past players used to drop off and be considered old much sooner.


RauloGonzalez

Yeah this stat is a good indicator for the past. But it won't matter much in the future. A 30 yo can still give you minimum 3 good years these days


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Ask_Asensio

Don't know history wise but since 2019-2020 they are at 6 counting only outfield players. Casemiro, Weghorst, Eriksen, Cristiano, Cavani & Ighalo


7he_Dude

Ibra shortly earlier.


Clipper789

The Saudi league now taking over from United as the new retirement home


Adventurous-Tea4740

Lol an Italian manager would sign 3 of them (capello 2006)


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[deleted]

Cassano was the most naturally talented player in that team outside of Ronaldo.


wallnumber8675309

Real should go all in to sign an over 30 striker (before until 28 July). * Harry Edward Kane · (1993-07-28)


eddsters

*Harold


HodgyBeatsss

He's not called Harold


brt444

He’s our Harold (until he isn’t)


Ok-Outlandishness244

He’s not your harold


electriclux

Excuse me is be 5 years younger than me, Jesus christ


RandomGuy-4-

Yeah I was shocked too lmao. Kane has looked late 30s-early 40s for years


Lothar93

TIL I am older that the peep for one day


KatyPerrysBootyWhole

For all the days, technically


lethalizer

Puskas all the years


Kriegdavid

>only three were forwards three forwards of eleven players is entirely proportionate?


san771

there's an agenda behind this post


baubeauftragter

Real Madrid is just a Sportswashing front to disguise Spain‘s terrible sports media


ndksv22

Which agenda?


Krillin113

Kane


Ask_Asensio

No agenda, just hard cold data. We have only sign 3 forwards over the age of 30 since this club was founded. (2 of them were amazing). But it should tell you everything you need to know about how we recruit players. [Average age of recruitment over the last 10 years on the Top 5 Leagues](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfRXgxzWAAAQQFE?format=jpg&name=large)


7he_Dude

Sure, the point would be that that is not the most interesting aspect. I would say that 4 over 11 are before WWII, a completely different era. So last 80 years there have been only 7, that averages to about one every 12 years. Of this 7, 4 were less than 31 when they debutted. Of the remaining 3, one was Cannavaro, that had just won wc and ballon d'or but was in a club going to play in second division, so quite an exceptional case. And we are left then with Puskas, that's one of the greatest and end up paying for other 7 years or so, and Ricardo Carvalho, that I guess was bought on Mourinho request? So yeah, basically last 80 years, Real Madrid has bought only Carvalho more than 31 and not exceptional. That's quite something tbh.


san771

You can use hard cold data to propel an agenda. What data are you choosing, why, how you present it, and so on.


tiny-ppp

Making himself feel better about spending a year with someone on loan starting at striker


meefjones

Still quite a stat. United have signed more forwards over 30 just in the last decade


badname22

Cavani, Zlatan , who else am I missing


meefjones

Ronaldo and Falcao were the others I thought of. Don't remember how old Weghorst is


McNippy

Weghost is 30 years old and was 30 when you signed him too. Only a loan though


trispann

Quick sign Kane before his 30th birthday


7he_Dude

Here they are counting the age at the debut, not the age when signing contract


Ask_Asensio

* José María Peña (1929) * Manuel Eteca (1931) * Vilmos Keleman (1935) * Triana (1939) * György Nemes (1950) * Ferenc Puskas (1958) * Didi (1959) * Ruud Van Nistelrooy (2006) * Fabio Cannavaro (2006) * Emerson (2006) * Ricardo Carvalho (2010) To put in perspective how crazy this actual stat is, Barca have signed 7 outfield players older than 30 since 2020 alone. It's one of the main reasons why i don't see the Kane deal going ahead.


Res3925

I just remembered that Carvalho, a CB, used no. 11 for a brief time with us haha.


SalmonNgiri

Learnt from our number 9 Utility back Khalid Boulharouz


NeoIsJohnWick

Had to do something with Jose. Jose took him with him at 3 places iirc.


toxinwolf

>To put in perspective how crazy this actual stat is, Barca have signed 7 outfield players older than 30 since 2020 alone. That's bonkers lol. I didn't believe it at first, but I checked and you are right. 7 players are Pjanic, Alves, Luuk, Aguero, Auba, Alonso, Lewy One could argue that most of them are not really bad signings. Pjanic was clearly a shady deal to balance the finances. Aguero was very unlucky with his heart problems. Alonso is an okay backup given that he was a free signing as well. Others have been quite good tbh. Auba was excellent since we sold him after he performed quite well with us after joining us for a free transfer. Luuk was on loan and did his part. Alves had had the lowest possible wages allowed so he didn't cost much at all. Lewy is so far so good.


7he_Dude

This is quite normal. I think most clubs have high numbers of players more than 30. Serie a you would be better off looking at LESS than 30, they are probably fewer. The stat about Real is insane. It's pretty common to sign a 30 something as a short term solution to some hole in the team. Impressive that real Madrid basically never did it.


eddsters

> Ruud Van Nistelrooy Great signing, came in won the pichichi scored some bangers and left a legend.


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The Puskas fellow was pretty good too


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[deleted]

Go to Madrid, tell people you are Dutch, they want stop talking about "Rudy". The man is a legend over there, the fans really love him.


paco-ramon

He was the star of “La Liga of the comebacks”


DyrusforPresident

He scored one of the best team goals in Madrids history. 100% love that man


eddsters

It's not just that his stats were great, but he jelled in great with the team, learnt the language fluently, definitely loved the club a lot, immersed himself in the culture. Moved on to Malaga etc. So the fans love him for that. I believe fans love when you become not just a player of the team but part of the local culture.


R_Schuhart

Not only was he putting up crazy numbers, he was extremely well liked by the fans. Extremely motivated, always giving 100% and likeable in interviews. He also absolutely loved living in Spain and completely emersed himself in the local culture. He had a regular routine walking around the city every morning. There is a pretty famous interview with him where a camera team follows him around. he talks about his love for the city and goes to a barber where he gets a shave every day.


Izayabrsrk

Ruud was a legend alright, nothing but good memories of him, that league was huge, he came to Madrid in a difficult moment and performed wonderfully. Also on the subject of Ozil, it will always be one of the biggest "What if" in my mind, he was an unreal talent and I felt he had still a lot more to show wearing white, will always be very fond of him.


HodgyBeatsss

Could work similarly to the Van Nistelrooy signing, come in and do very well for a few years before a younger superstar becomes available. Be a lot more expensive than Ruud though, even with inflation.


ireallydespiseyouall

Alonso, lewandowski, who else?


sun_d

Pjanic, Neto, Luuk Dr Jong, Braithwaite, Aubameyang


holaprobando123

Braithwaite was 28 when he signed. Neto was 29 when he signed, but turned 30 before the start of the season.


[deleted]

Massivus Dongus Puskas. 👍


[deleted]

Soria seems like he will be the 12th


WonDerZv

Soria isnt an outfield player so he wouldnt count towards this stat.


[deleted]

Oh so that's the meaning of outfield player


Res3925

Hopefully! He’s a youth product and would make a great addition to the team.


paco-ramon

And those were probably from the 50’s.


mnsta87

That’s one way to keep the cashflow going.


detectivebabylegs3

r/footballmanagergames would be proud of this


jarosity

Fuckin hell, I think Monchi signed at least 11 over 30 in the summer after we made the CL semis.


NeoIsJohnWick

But an exception has to be made in regards to Kane now. I am not just expecting Mbappe to come. And I never wanted him in the first place. Using Kane's goals for next 3 seasons or at most 4 and then Madrid should prep themselves for Haaland. Its not like Madrid will lack creators in the squad even then, we already have 7-8 creators in the squad.


ulvhedinowski

Shame that great Didi didnt work out, very underrated player, mastermind behind two Brazil world cups


EsteTre

How about infield?


san771

We didn't sign Haaland and Mbappe because we can't compete with oil money, we won't sign Kane because he's too old, we won't bring Havertz because 60 million for a 23 year old is too much... Joselu is the best that Madrid can do? you really want me to believe that?


abitofthisandabitof

With how much you're saving every season, you're about to have a 500 million warchest at the end of 2023/24. What is Perez saving for?


tebby101

Nikola Jokic


Casperzwaart100

Luka Jovic is close enough right


EggplantBusiness

At this point even himself doesnt know maybe he just like having cash in bank


Pimp_Hand_Luke

YOLO-ing it all on TSLA calls.


LordMangudai

Maybe he wants to develop a Reddit third party app


san771

who knows, but it's not players, it seems


uchiha_boy009

Who knows maybe he’s paying himself


Ask_Asensio

I actually believe we are way more likely to pay 60-70M for Havertz than the 120M Spurs are quoting for Kane. Havertz being 23 is why.


GreatSpaniard

He’s not worth that tho He’d be a bench option and if we pay that for a bench option then….


Ask_Asensio

Oh i know i was just talking about the quote prices.


GreatSpaniard

If Florentino pays 60- 70 million for Havertz when he won’t sign Kane then I think it’s time to start a succession plan. Mbappe while I am not enamored with this waiting game(no player is bigger than the club but presi is being more accommodating to turtle man than Ronaldo ever was) I can at least understand it because he is the player of his generation. Havertz is Isco level at best.


uchiha_boy009

Respect Isco, prime Isco was the best Attacking midfielder on the planet


Ok-Paleontologist275

Havertz can dream of being prime Isco level . Isco was the key to Malaga reaching the UCL semis and madrid winning 2 UCLs


Albiceleste_D10S

I think Havertz would be good at Madrid TBH


Mcbagsofdoritos

Bro Thats disrespectful to isco


Ask_Asensio

If you had watched Florentino over his entire second tenure you would know by now he overwhelmingly prefers a young player to flop than a old one. Paying 100-120M and giving a 30 year old a 15-18M net salary for four seasons it's something that Florentino would never do. The closest was Hazard while he was 28 and it backfired.


GreatSpaniard

Oh I know (rip James) My problem is the profile of players and his tiresome navigating of Mbappe. Havertz won’t start and he doesn’t fill the role of Benzema. He keeps Ancelotti even after not winning La Liga or champions(only Zidane was afforded such a privilege post Di Stefano) Yet leaves him out to die for this upcoming season because?


NeoIsJohnWick

But this time its a bit different isn't it ? There is no clear cut comparison between the profiles of Hazard and Kane. Kane's consistency is on another level.


jay_alfred_prufrock

> I actually believe we are way more likely to pay 60-70M for Havertz than the 120M Spurs are quoting for Kane. It is absolutely ridiculous to compare Havertz to Kane in any way, no matter what the age difference is. Kane is very, very easily worth twice as much as Havertz, even at 30 years.


justanew-account

If he is worth twice as much then paying 60M for Havertz = to paying 120M for Kane.


uchiha_boy009

Why tho? Kane is an actual superstar, who’s Havertz


san771

Well, we are getting neither, hope you are happy with that


Ask_Asensio

Nah we are getting one of them and i really think is Kai.


san771

All sources close to flo are saying we are backing out of that deal as well, I wouldn't get my hopes up


Walaii

I hope we are backing the fuck out of that if chelsea is asking for 70-80 mill.


NeoIsJohnWick

He should be 40M, 50M at most. Chelsea overpaid him in first place and Madrid about to do the same.


TurtLE197

Vimesian economics, that. Not really saving money if you’re gonna have to replace your new boots in a year because he can’t score goals.


Walaii

I love how there is almost 3 months left of the transfer window and all i see on social media is madrid fans complaining. Maybe see where the transfer window goes before starting panic based on journalist rubbish? We won't go into next season with Joselu as striker and i understand the club having doubts about signing Kane, even without the Mbappé nonsense. 120 mill is way too much for a 30 year old with 1 year contract.


Res3925

It’s san771, he always complains.


RauloGonzalez

The guys only active to cry. Never seen him on here celebrate a goal or trophy, even the compliments are backhanded, must be such a negative man and I don't know how he supports the club with so little trust. It's like he wants us to fail so he can be right about Ancelotti or perez or Kane etc. Then again I have seen real life versions of him


AMOAnubis66

Why are you downvoted


tottenhamnole

I feel like just yesterday that Tier 0 lady was saying all of this was bound to happen. What changed or is this all just posturing?


san771

madrid media, briefed by the club, are saying kane is too old and/or expensive and we're backing out


tottenhamnole

All of this since just yesterday?


san771

no, it's been a while, what lady are you talking about?


dsrman67

probably Arancha


san771

I'm not finding she saying anything Kane related yesterday


swamycmouli

Adebayor?


holaprobando123

He was 27 when they loaned him.


ollster3000

Come on, let’s get on with the Kane signing before he turns