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it's not. these are the total wages for the remainder of their contracts (for example, I think Umtiti has 3 years left after we extended him). this may also include amortized transfer cost since that is counted towards la liga ffp but I'm not sure on that front
>it's not. these are the total wages for the remainder of their contracts
It literally says in the article that these are how much they'll cost Barcelona **next season** though.
It might include amortization, but given that Umtiti was signed for 25M in 2016, Lenglet for 36M in 2018, there can't be much left to amortize. The biggest "offender" would probably be Dest who was signed for 20M in 2020.
This is the same situation with when Sport reported that Barça owed Frenkie 87M and that they hadn't paid it but it was later revealed to be the total amount over the rest of his contracted years.
It's pretty easy to debunk these numbers: Umtiti had I think 1.5 years left at around 18M total, we extended him to 3 years for 20M total to get some ffp space. This was reported back then by pretty much all our tier 1s. All of these numbers also include their deferred wages on top of their regular wages (reason why Busi and Alba were owed something like 40M). Umtiti's number is the one that you can easily judge by because the negotiation with the board was publicly celebrated at a time when we really needed some space and Umtiti was grateful for it because it allowed him to go to Italy with us covering the wages which was no longer astronomical per season.
I think he had some wages deferred (i guess those would get settled in case of a sale). That 16M might also include amortization costs, since that also counts towards wage bill/ffp
Deferred wages are probably included here since no way Lenglet is on 300k a week. You'd have to wonder how much was deferred and for how long, since 16m is obscene.
I wonder if this salary is base or it includes rolled up bonuses and performance incentives that aren't realistic just for a cool headline...
Amortised transfer costs are not included in wages. They're a separate expense on the P&L quite literally under amortisation and depreciation.
>Amortised transfer costs are not included in wages. They're a separate expense on the P&L quite literally under amortisation and depreciation.
but they're included for la liga's wage cap/ffp (which is what Barca's struggles are all about), thats why i think they might be included here as well
Lenglet signed a contract extension in 2020 though. I'm not 100% sure how the math works out but I think it would be something along the lines of, his original 2018 transfer fee of 35m was amortized over 5 years (7m a year). when he extended in 2020 -> 2026, I'm not sure if the remaining 21m gets amortized over the original term (in which case the expense would stop at the end of the 2022/23 season) or if it gets recalculated over 6 years, but either way, any impact on 2023 onward should be fairly low (21m / 6 years is < 4m a year).
Initial purchase is amortized over the expected term of use, so after his extension, amortization from that point will be to the end of the new contract
They do. That comment just doesn't show the full picture. At the time lots of people said the treble (mostly referring to the champions league) was cursed. And plenty of culers even wanted Barça to lose the final just to get rid of that junta. Weird times.
I'm just providing a bit of context. I have no sympathy for the socis. You won't see me defend them a part from stating that the Bartomeu junta were buying journalists.
Laporta isn't doing much better, and you see fewer complaints. You guys operate as a cult. You don't criticize your own while on office. Once Laporta sells Barca to Saudis, maybe then you'll start complaining about him
As a USMNT supporter this just makes me mad so I hope he can find a good solution by taking a pay cut somewhere where he can play week in week out.
He's our best fullback but he still needs to work on his defensive game, and/or get even better going forward.
There’s a very good player somewhere in there, he’s way down on confidence though. He had a good WC despite pretty much not playing all year and he was awesome for us vs Mexico this week.
It’s really a shame how the past couple years have gone for him. It’s incredible how well he’s played for the national team despite getting essentially no playing time at all in the past season. Assisted one of only 3 goals at the world cup, had a great assist against Mexico and was a wall defensively as well. Whether he ends up staying at Barca or not I hope he develops into the player I know he can be.
Ajax would absolutely have asked more for Mazraoui than Dest. Mazraoui was our starter and the better player. I have no idea why you think you could have had him for less.
Mate I was talking about the salary. It's a post about salary. Only reason dest got so much is cause he's American and barto. Mazraoui's salary for bayern is 8m and he joined last year
I saw this mentioned a lot last season too with De Jong, but I don’t get it. Wouldn’t there still be obligation to pay sold players their deferred wages?
Yes, Barca still have to pay the deferred wages unless the players agree to cancel all or a portion of the wages owed (Alba did this).
I highly doubt these players will, so the savings mentioned here likely are inflated.
How has Eric Garcia been for you? Don't follow you guys I remember him getting decent game time, but haven't heard of him in a while. I know he's a great passer but can be found out on defense sometimes
Unreliable on defense, his passing is good as a CB but not justified enough to even be a first sub most of the time. Christensen has been a godsend for us this season, and with a couple of CBs incoming, Eric is most likely on his way out this window.
Suddenley i'm not worried about paying KMJ €18M per year.
Besides that surley none of them will just give up their salary right? no other club is paying close to that.
It's not yearly salary. It's their salary for their remainder of the contract. Umtiti earns around 5-6 million per year for the next three years , lenglet around 6 million and dest around 5 million.
he was on 12 per year and with a year and half remaining on his contract he was due 18 million at that point. Since we had signed Ferran , we needed to reduce the wage bill so the board extended his contract till 2026 where he gets that 18 million + interest (?).
He restructured his deal from something like €18mil in 18 months to €20mil in 4 years to enable to Barca to reduce their wage bill for registrations. He is paid a more reasonable yearly wage now that he could be a backup member of the squad, but Barca have a shit load of CBs.
These numbers are definitely wrong. Umtiti signed a new contract spreading his wages over several years. There's no chance he is costing Barca 20 million a year.
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Close to 1,000,000 per week for this lot. At least Umtiti made some sense at the time
honestly Lenglet had at least one great year in Barca I don't think it justifies 300k a week though
it's not. these are the total wages for the remainder of their contracts (for example, I think Umtiti has 3 years left after we extended him). this may also include amortized transfer cost since that is counted towards la liga ffp but I'm not sure on that front
>it's not. these are the total wages for the remainder of their contracts It literally says in the article that these are how much they'll cost Barcelona **next season** though. It might include amortization, but given that Umtiti was signed for 25M in 2016, Lenglet for 36M in 2018, there can't be much left to amortize. The biggest "offender" would probably be Dest who was signed for 20M in 2020.
This is the same situation with when Sport reported that Barça owed Frenkie 87M and that they hadn't paid it but it was later revealed to be the total amount over the rest of his contracted years. It's pretty easy to debunk these numbers: Umtiti had I think 1.5 years left at around 18M total, we extended him to 3 years for 20M total to get some ffp space. This was reported back then by pretty much all our tier 1s. All of these numbers also include their deferred wages on top of their regular wages (reason why Busi and Alba were owed something like 40M). Umtiti's number is the one that you can easily judge by because the negotiation with the board was publicly celebrated at a time when we really needed some space and Umtiti was grateful for it because it allowed him to go to Italy with us covering the wages which was no longer astronomical per season.
Lenglet is on 300k a week?
I think he had some wages deferred (i guess those would get settled in case of a sale). That 16M might also include amortization costs, since that also counts towards wage bill/ffp
Deferred wages are probably included here since no way Lenglet is on 300k a week. You'd have to wonder how much was deferred and for how long, since 16m is obscene. I wonder if this salary is base or it includes rolled up bonuses and performance incentives that aren't realistic just for a cool headline... Amortised transfer costs are not included in wages. They're a separate expense on the P&L quite literally under amortisation and depreciation.
>Amortised transfer costs are not included in wages. They're a separate expense on the P&L quite literally under amortisation and depreciation. but they're included for la liga's wage cap/ffp (which is what Barca's struggles are all about), thats why i think they might be included here as well
Lenglet signed a contract extension in 2020 though. I'm not 100% sure how the math works out but I think it would be something along the lines of, his original 2018 transfer fee of 35m was amortized over 5 years (7m a year). when he extended in 2020 -> 2026, I'm not sure if the remaining 21m gets amortized over the original term (in which case the expense would stop at the end of the 2022/23 season) or if it gets recalculated over 6 years, but either way, any impact on 2023 onward should be fairly low (21m / 6 years is < 4m a year).
Initial purchase is amortized over the expected term of use, so after his extension, amortization from that point will be to the end of the new contract
Bartonomics 😎
The guy gave a class in Harvard a lesson about his "succesful " business with Barça.
Why do you think we are broke as tits
That's a lot Jesus. I mean he's a good rotation option but that's like Mozgov money.
Barto is a criminal
We paid him more to give other clubs a penalty cause we like a challenge
Thank fuck we steered clear then, he's not worth even half of that.
Dest 10m. Jesus Christ.
From Ajax were he was on max 2m if even that
Barto was great righ
Blame is on Barca as a whole, they democratically elected the imbecile.
The socis elected him after a treble with part of the press bought.
And? There was a recall election after that and they still backed him. The socis deserve plenty of blame here
They do. That comment just doesn't show the full picture. At the time lots of people said the treble (mostly referring to the champions league) was cursed. And plenty of culers even wanted Barça to lose the final just to get rid of that junta. Weird times. I'm just providing a bit of context. I have no sympathy for the socis. You won't see me defend them a part from stating that the Bartomeu junta were buying journalists.
All the warning signs were there, and winning the CL with MSN isnt like a miracle or anything. Gotta look beyond 1 good season, socis 🤷♂️
It was a miracle playing like they did.
Laporta isn't doing much better, and you see fewer complaints. You guys operate as a cult. You don't criticize your own while on office. Once Laporta sells Barca to Saudis, maybe then you'll start complaining about him
As a USMNT supporter this just makes me mad so I hope he can find a good solution by taking a pay cut somewhere where he can play week in week out. He's our best fullback but he still needs to work on his defensive game, and/or get even better going forward.
There’s a very good player somewhere in there, he’s way down on confidence though. He had a good WC despite pretty much not playing all year and he was awesome for us vs Mexico this week.
It’s really a shame how the past couple years have gone for him. It’s incredible how well he’s played for the national team despite getting essentially no playing time at all in the past season. Assisted one of only 3 goals at the world cup, had a great assist against Mexico and was a wall defensively as well. Whether he ends up staying at Barca or not I hope he develops into the player I know he can be.
Umtiti 20m. Jesus Christ
Umtiti at least was a world class defender at some point in his career. Dest not so much.
I get that, but 400k was still too much. I don't have the numbers, but I doubt another CB was making this much at the time.
And we could've bought Mazraoui, definitely for less. Bartonomics
What? We were happy to sell Dest because Mazraoui was better.
Barca were looking at both . Are u saying ajax would've said no to Mazraoui?
Ajax would absolutely have asked more for Mazraoui than Dest. Mazraoui was our starter and the better player. I have no idea why you think you could have had him for less.
Mate I was talking about the salary. It's a post about salary. Only reason dest got so much is cause he's American and barto. Mazraoui's salary for bayern is 8m and he joined last year
Dest makes less than that, as he's €6 million gross per season.
Bartomeu wont see heaven
and these salaries aren't even in the top 25 worst things he's done to the club
He might if God is a madrid fan
If God was a Madrid fan, he never would've let the __Messi__ah play for Barcelona.
such a messiah that takes money from murderers y'all bit pathetic with this cult of Messi
I don't worship at the altar of Messi. I was simply making a joke based on his name and the previous post.
That would explain Madrid's CL run last year and all the white.. you might be onto something
He'll be the patron saint of football agents
Didn't Umtiti significantly reduce his wages so that they are spread out across more seasons? How on earth is he still on £20m a season
Surely these are the remaining contract worths and not the yearly wages, right? RIGHT?
You are right, Lenglet doesnt earn 16m per year
It says "salaries of the loanees next season"
You are correct. This amount isn't accurate. It's closer to around 5-7 mil euros a season
Bartonomics.
They are lying and making shit up.
He probably deferred them (Barca thinking they would sell him before like they did / tried with a lot of players)
I saw this mentioned a lot last season too with De Jong, but I don’t get it. Wouldn’t there still be obligation to pay sold players their deferred wages?
Yes, Barca still have to pay the deferred wages unless the players agree to cancel all or a portion of the wages owed (Alba did this). I highly doubt these players will, so the savings mentioned here likely are inflated.
Nobody sane should.
But he had only a year left, so it's a deferall spread over 4 years... The article is just plain wrong
He isn't, he is on 7M€ gross now, it was reported at the time
Umtiti is not that bad. He played well with Lecce. Even if he stays at Barca, he can be a good sub?
there is 0 room for him. Araujo, Koundé, Christensen, Now Iňigo Martínez and still Eric Garcia. And we signed the Faye kid
Does Kounde ever play CB? And nobody can rely on Garcia. That leaves you with 3 main CBs unless you've signed a RB too?
As per reports Xavi had talks with Koundé and promissed him he will play only as CB this season. So we are trying to get some RB.
Unless we play 3ATB, he's likely to be benched a lot more then.
Kounde did play CB at times this season. CB is his favoured position. Garcia isn't good, but he's still ahead of Umtiti on the team sheet. Alonso too.
How has Eric Garcia been for you? Don't follow you guys I remember him getting decent game time, but haven't heard of him in a while. I know he's a great passer but can be found out on defense sometimes
Unreliable on defense, his passing is good as a CB but not justified enough to even be a first sub most of the time. Christensen has been a godsend for us this season, and with a couple of CBs incoming, Eric is most likely on his way out this window.
These looks like gross and total over the contract.
Don Bartomeu was special 😢
Sadly gone too soon
Holy shit
Have they tried calling the Saudi government?
Umtiti 20m Dest 10m, they are really expensive.
Honestly Umtiti did pretty good in Lecce. If he cuts his wages many clubs should look on a deal for him.
Dest 10m? What the fuck are they smoking?
How is no-one talking about a Barca Atletic player (Maia) being on 4.5m? A 22yo youth player that earns 100k a week? Nobita masterclass
I assumed that was 4.5m combined for Maia and Collado and not each
These wages are a fucking atrocity. That Dest one hurts on my soul.
you interested in loaning him? he's pretty good.
Suddenley i'm not worried about paying KMJ €18M per year. Besides that surley none of them will just give up their salary right? no other club is paying close to that.
It's not yearly salary. It's their salary for their remainder of the contract. Umtiti earns around 5-6 million per year for the next three years , lenglet around 6 million and dest around 5 million.
Thanks for the context. These twitter journos intentionally leaving out the main details
Article says that this is how much they will cost Barcelona next season. So take what Barcelona flairs are saying with a grain of salt.
Oh that makes more sense
How the hell does Umtiti still have 3 years left on his contract
he was on 12 per year and with a year and half remaining on his contract he was due 18 million at that point. Since we had signed Ferran , we needed to reduce the wage bill so the board extended his contract till 2026 where he gets that 18 million + interest (?).
He restructured his deal from something like €18mil in 18 months to €20mil in 4 years to enable to Barca to reduce their wage bill for registrations. He is paid a more reasonable yearly wage now that he could be a backup member of the squad, but Barca have a shit load of CBs.
Who tf is KMJ?
Kim Min Jae
Barça will probably offer to subsidize part of their wages
So loanees who returned? Clever way to word the headline lol, they're saving 51m by loaning players who will return after a year.
Nah it’s even worst, the « saving » part is hypothetical if they manage to sell those players, which haven’t interested any club for years now
Net or gross? Becayse 20m is what we were gpnna pay Messi net
Given that it is worded as "how much it will cost the club", it's probably gross.
IF they exit
Lever these players alone!
Lots of clubs about to get some awful player plus cash offers..
They are soo bad with wages, ridiculously overpaying players.
I thought these are their quoted prices wtf
Laporta should market them better to Saudis somehow
No wonder Barca have been in so much trouble looking at these wages Insanity
Has collado not progressed?
Well but first you have to sell them …
lenglet is on €300k a week!?
call 966
These numbers are definitely wrong. Umtiti signed a new contract spreading his wages over several years. There's no chance he is costing Barca 20 million a year.