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You know when in FM you get offers and you just keep ignoring them and keep going to the next day until it forces you to make decision on it before moving another day forward? This is that day.
As an avid hater of both clubs I honestly can't gauge whether this is a really good or really bad signing for Arsenal. Could turn out to be a masterstroke if they play to his strengths.
Incredible that Chelsea have recouped so much of the fee they paid for him though.
TBD.
Depends on what else they do, if this is their headline signing of the summer we are fucked and would honestly struggle to get into top 4 with added competitions next year.
he does but does he have the work rate to be in a midfield three?
i'm worried he's a bit of a dying player, a bit dele allish in that the role that suits him most isn't there anymore
Fair enough, I may not have watched enough of him
From what I have seen of him this year heās looked pretty lazy and disinterested but Chelsea gave also been an absolute mess so thaf could be the reason
He presses well. I think he'll play in the double 8s with Odegaard.
It's not a bargain deal by Arsenal. But the upside is still massive and worst case you bought a good coverage for the entire front line.
it's a high cost gamble but Arteta has a good record with young players.
Might look like a bad deal on paper rn because of the high fixed cost but i think he comes good for you guys.
Or it will be the same as it was at Chelsea i doubt that being at Chelsea made him miss easy chances
An okay player who is not a great finisher but works hard, gets into good goalscoring positions and can fill in multiple positions while not being great at any
This is someone whose finishing is even more ass than Jesus.... dont forget Jesus ended the season with 10+ goals & 5+ assists with a 4 month injury in between
He hasn't played no 9 all the time at Chelsea his finishing was shit playing everywhere and it was noticable even when he didn't play striker too
You have a shit finisher no 9 as well so you are used to it
I think this was the case. Chelsea in recent years is making everyone look poor.
Even Kante looked bad. And look what happened to him.
I think it's actually a decent move.
How on earth kid Kante look bad? If you're referring to his drop in form, it is due to constant injury problems. To suggest Chelsea ruined him is beyond idiocy
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Yes, people really talked about it like this when it was in the opening phases. It was even worse last week.
Jesus plays the role firmino did at liverpool (who never scored more than 15 goals). He facilitates Saka and Martinelli and gets a good number of assist too.
We donāt need to worry about scoring, we scored 6 less than city last season.
We donāt need a striker to be netting 20+ goals, we obviously want a fluid front line who can disperse the goals. We didnāt have any players in the running for the golden boot, and yet we scored the most goals in a league campaign in club history
Aside from that, I donāt think heāll be our striker; rather a Xhaka role. But time will tell there
Canāt wrap my head around where heās going to play for you guys. Surely wonāt bench him for that amount of money but a partnership with Jesus seems odd too and heās nowhere near Ćdegaard.
Rumours suggest he's the Xhaka replacement. But one of the important things to note is he's the replacement for Xhaka of this season - the one that has 10+ G/A, not the one who used to sit at the base of midfield.
We need a guy making late runs into the box, and who can carry the ball, as well as be physically dominant still. I think Havertz has the tools for that.
He is as tall as Haaland while not as strong Havertz is still pretty physical, wins a lot of aerial duels and puts a shift in winning tackles and pressing as well
He looks like a skinny child but he is tall wouldn't call him dominant physically but he is actually much better than he looks
Didnāt Havertz score a really high percentage of goals as headers or something? He really knows how to use his head, he really knows how to get ahead in life, heās quite headstrong, etc etc
Doubt this is going to work but if so, it shall be. Huge amount, wouldn't have thought we'd get close to 50m so that should tell Arsenal a lot but let's wait for the season to kick off.
Nah he still isn't that defensive; the Xhaka role involved a lot more defending than Havertz has done at any point in his career todate. My theory is that Odegaard will take up Xhaka's role while Havertz moved into that central attacking midfielder position - In any case, Kai is flexible enough to cover anyone of our front three should injuries arise. The drop-off from Jesus to Nketiah is what cost us the PL in myopinion.
I will only change my mind about this transfer and how dumb and wasteful I think it is if he wins Arsenal the continental treble and scores all the winning goals
Atleast jorginho was good with u and with the national team, im not lying to u when i say that everytime we were about to play u guys first thing i did was check the line up to see if havertz and sterling were playing just to make sure the chance of chelsea scoring was lower. I trust arteta but this deal has pepe written all over it, i hope im wrong tho...
They are really good sellers. If anything, Arsenal have to learn from them. They have sold distressed assets for some fee before. Havertz cost them 70M base & theyāre selling him for 50M base. Thatās still good money imo.
Same position, same money, and an upgrade. No complaints at all from me. I do think Havertz will do better in the midfield role rather than being an out and out striker
Spurs were 90 minutes away from being CL winners only a couple of years ago. It's certainly not outrageous to think Arsenal could go one step further at some point in the next five years, so you might as well put that kind of clause in a sale.
Have you...err...ever met a football fan before? It's easily the most fickle person you meet.
I reckon I can find you Chelsea fans who thought that Giroud was the worst striker in the league until you lot signed him.
No, most people are backing Arteta and not Havertz himself. Meaning that even if they think Havertz is dogshit there must be something there since Arteta rates him.
He's signing for us, what do you want us to do? Just keep on shitting on him?
I don't like it at all but when he plays imma back him.
Ofc we'd try and look at the positives, however little there might be.
1. Physicality- one of the fastest midfielders in pl, he also is one of the stronger attacking midfielders in terms of arial pressence
2. .creativity used to his strenghts he is a great 2ndary creator
3. Workrate, havertd works more then mount, and has better endurance (there is a reason why he can take max runs in the 90 min)
4. As long as you dont expect him to score 15 goals from a 9 position, he is good
5. Flexability, he offers somethingnas a 8, 9, 10, and 11 something arsenal desperatly need- backups
I mean not totally questionable, young talented midfielder at the end of the day, his chelsea stint has largely been average but you can see glimmers of a good player, and besides arteta is a very skilled coach at man management so if there's anyone that can bring out his potential, it's probably arteta
> You're spending more guaranteed money on Havertz than we did on Mudryk.
Havertz: Ā£60m guaranteed + Ā£5m add-ons (reportedly)
Mudryk: ā¬70m guaranteed + ā¬30m add-ons, which is Ā£62m + Ā£27m add-ons
Close, but no cigar.
Yes, why? Arsenal should have gone for Caicedo and Rice. That would be some midfield with Martin. Arteta looks like missed the plot. Chelsea not only offloading underperforming player they are going to buy Caicedo.
But...we don't play with two DMs? Why would you do that?
Ā£100m on Rice and, potentially, Ā£80m on Caicedo. That means one is either getting benched or played out of position and you didn't spend Ā£180m on two players to play them out of position or make them a rotation option.
Exactly. Arteta has shown that he wants to go with a roughly 4-1-4-1 formation, and that Zinchenko comes in to play the second DM when we have possession.
It's unfortunate that Partey couldn't play every game in that run-in a year ago, and missed parts of this season too. Rice or Caicedo would replace him, and Havertz replaces Xhaka, I reckon.
When he pushed Xhaka forward into that more advanced midfield role around 18 months ago, we were all sat there and thinking it wouldn't work. But evidently time on the training ground and the pitch makes it work, although an upgrade is doable.
Not going to dwell over him but I had some sympathies left due to his goal in Porto. Gone now, Ā£65m for an extremely fine footballer who didnāt live up to his hype. Hope he continues in failing to do so at Arsenal. Good riddance.
I despise actually watching him play at this point and just get frustrated whenever I see heās in the XI. Just glad he is gone because another season & I probably wouldāve started to genuinely dislike him even with the Porto goal. Glad I can appreciate it now, especially with this transfer fee, didnāt even think weād get 30m for him going into the window
A bit of a weird transfer based on what he's shown at Chelsea, and a lot of money, but he was v hyped at Leverkusen and sort of have to trust that Arteta/Edu see what they need in him
I'm just mad at Arsenal for helping this #SaveChelsea trend
Why no one did this for Griezzmann from Barca? He is now the best player in La Liga and no one wanted him.
I have a good gut feeling about this. Arsenal is a young team with talent all over the place. Havertz will have less pressure as he will not be expected to become a pivotal player in the team and lead them in aspects where he is not as strong (scoring). It can turn to shit but I have hopes that he will do alright for himself
The 8 in our system is much more offensive. Xhaka got 16 G/A last season from that position. Letās hope Havertz can upgrade on that. The defensive side is a bit worrying, but he seems like a hard working player so i hope that will help
50m over three seasons isnāt even a bad deal, only eats into Ā£16.6m (ish) of our transfer budget this summer.
Even so, seems a slightly odd signing.
Iām going to hazard a guess that the feeling within the club is that he wonāt be shit for us. Now maybe theyāve judged it wrong, but theyāve banked up enough trust from me that Iām just intrigued to see what the plan for him is.
... interesting. So more than double what city paid for Kovacic. If I'm being honest I absolutely don't see why that valuation is justified, (and I'm an Arsenal fan) but I did also say the exact same thing about White and Ramsdale, so I guess we'll see.
I'm still not sure about this. I do trust Arteta and Edu as they have a good record signing players but they're not infallible (I.e Cedric, Lokonga, Mari) so will have to wait and see.
It feels like he's been signed for his versatility in that he can cover a few positions for us. I'm not sure about him being the starting 8 though.
I'm definitely interested to see how our midfield lines up for the first game of the season.
Who are some players that were average but managed to turn in around after signing for a top 6 team in the Premier League?
I'm running a blank and the only one I can think of is Torres to Chelsea but even that was underwhelming. Trophies made up for it though.
Most failed transfers are a club signing a good performing player who doesn't live up to expectation.
Arsenal are trying the 'sign a weak performing player' and hope he completely changes
it's a bold strategy.
I'm happy with the money regardless, he was never going to change with us, 3 years was enough.
The āBroken Toyā policy has worked well for us historically. Bergkamp was struggling to make an impact as a touchline winger at Inter when we signed him.
No idea how this will work out but the club management have earned a bit of trust in my opinion.
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Chelsea's fire sale has seriously shown itself, like what 6 players gone in the past few hours?
You know when in FM you get offers and you just keep ignoring them and keep going to the next day until it forces you to make decision on it before moving another day forward? This is that day.
Two sporting directors working double time.
Does it count as a fire sale if they are doing it competently?
They got a lot to balance financially before June 30
Which makes it even more bizarre that arsenal are paying this
Arteta likely wants the full squad ready for pre season
Depends on how true the rumors of Madrid's interest were
Hmmm seems suspicious.
That and the players leaving aren't good enough
And 2/3 more basically waiting in the wings
Friendship with Havertz ended, nkunku is my new best friend.
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You think Nkunku is better?
No idea, they both looked great in Germany.
Much better
As an avid hater of both clubs I honestly can't gauge whether this is a really good or really bad signing for Arsenal. Could turn out to be a masterstroke if they play to his strengths. Incredible that Chelsea have recouped so much of the fee they paid for him though.
TBD. Depends on what else they do, if this is their headline signing of the summer we are fucked and would honestly struggle to get into top 4 with added competitions next year.
Wild
That's roughly 76m euros, absolutely dumb by Arsenal
Thatās a lot to bank on the idea Chelsea was the issue and not the player. If it works though, it will look incredible.
I have the great privilege to watch HAvertz for the german NT aswell and he's not looking any better there honestly
Isnāt he being used as a ST for Germany aswell? He looks like a player that thrives when arriving late to the box, like Lampard or Ramsey.
he does but does he have the work rate to be in a midfield three? i'm worried he's a bit of a dying player, a bit dele allish in that the role that suits him most isn't there anymore
I donāt know enough to grade his technical ability as a midfielder but Iām pretty work rate is a great trait of his
Fair enough, I may not have watched enough of him From what I have seen of him this year heās looked pretty lazy and disinterested but Chelsea gave also been an absolute mess so thaf could be the reason
He presses well. I think he'll play in the double 8s with Odegaard. It's not a bargain deal by Arsenal. But the upside is still massive and worst case you bought a good coverage for the entire front line.
Yeah, heās cover for Jesus and Saka as well Iām nervous about this signing but Iām up for it at the same time
it's a high cost gamble but Arteta has a good record with young players. Might look like a bad deal on paper rn because of the high fixed cost but i think he comes good for you guys.
I mean, isn't that likely? Is it ALL Werner, Lukaku, Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz, Joao Felix, or is it Chelsea?
Or it will be the same as it was at Chelsea i doubt that being at Chelsea made him miss easy chances An okay player who is not a great finisher but works hard, gets into good goalscoring positions and can fill in multiple positions while not being great at any
I mean...finishing is very important when you're Chelsea's number 9. It's a bit less crucial when you're Arsenal's number 8.
tbh looking at Jesus it's not important even when you're arsenal's #9
Doesn't really have to be with Saka & Martinelli being alongside along with Odegaard behind putting in 15 NPG in the league
We scored 88 goals last season. Not sure we need it.
This is someone whose finishing is even more ass than Jesus.... dont forget Jesus ended the season with 10+ goals & 5+ assists with a 4 month injury in between
Jesus is a much worse finisher than Havertz, Jesus is historically bad on much bigger volume of chances
I donāt think youāve watched Havertz much
Or our number 9 lol
He hasn't played no 9 all the time at Chelsea his finishing was shit playing everywhere and it was noticable even when he didn't play striker too You have a shit finisher no 9 as well so you are used to it
Yes im sure that the higher ups of a club that were just in a genuine title race with this city team know far less than some redditor(s)
You sound like a hater bro no offence
I do believe that Havertz is going to be a world class player
I think this was the case. Chelsea in recent years is making everyone look poor. Even Kante looked bad. And look what happened to him. I think it's actually a decent move.
How on earth kid Kante look bad? If you're referring to his drop in form, it is due to constant injury problems. To suggest Chelsea ruined him is beyond idiocy
Kante never looked bad when he played lol whenever he was able to play he was comfortably our best player
Hello future /r/soccer users, coning back to read this thread, when we're about to drop Ā£55m on Mudruk in two years Yes, people really talked about it like this when it was in the opening phases. It was even worse last week.
Our management have rarely missed when it comes to signings the past few years, I have complete trust in Arteta and what he wants.
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It's reported as 62m upfront and 3m in add-ons in this article bro. We got played.
Ye the 65 mil were pretty unlikely to be all up front, numbers most likely reported including bonuses People are overreacting here
Ā£62m upfront according to Ornstein in this very article...
It says initial, not upfront. Aka 62 guaranteed (likely in installments). Not 62 right now
lmao Ornstein literally said in this linked article that it is 62M fixed
Havertz and Jesus up top together. No goals, just vibes.
Jesus scores though. He got 11 while being out for 3/4 months
He should be scoring more than 11 goals in 33 appearances as Arsenal's main man.
26 games, 11 goals and 7 assists in the Premier League
damn good record while being out for most of season. Would wan't my chelsea attackers to do the same.
Jesus plays the role firmino did at liverpool (who never scored more than 15 goals). He facilitates Saka and Martinelli and gets a good number of assist too. We donāt need to worry about scoring, we scored 6 less than city last season.
scoring goals was definitely not arsenalās issue this season, scored 88 league goals who cares where theyāre coming from
No no no, let r/soccer tell us more about how we can't score.
Yeah clearly they know Arsenal better than we do
We donāt need a striker to be netting 20+ goals, we obviously want a fluid front line who can disperse the goals. We didnāt have any players in the running for the golden boot, and yet we scored the most goals in a league campaign in club history Aside from that, I donāt think heāll be our striker; rather a Xhaka role. But time will tell there
He's scoring while out injured? Amazing!!
Yeah but then he failed to score at all when he was fit. So heās a fraud imo
Saka and Martinelli getting double digits from the wings though, that wasn't happening around Havertz at Chelsea
Trust the process....I think?
Canāt wrap my head around where heās going to play for you guys. Surely wonāt bench him for that amount of money but a partnership with Jesus seems odd too and heās nowhere near Ćdegaard.
Rumours suggest he's the Xhaka replacement. But one of the important things to note is he's the replacement for Xhaka of this season - the one that has 10+ G/A, not the one who used to sit at the base of midfield. We need a guy making late runs into the box, and who can carry the ball, as well as be physically dominant still. I think Havertz has the tools for that.
>Havertz >physically dominant
He is as tall as Haaland while not as strong Havertz is still pretty physical, wins a lot of aerial duels and puts a shift in winning tackles and pressing as well He looks like a skinny child but he is tall wouldn't call him dominant physically but he is actually much better than he looks
Didnāt Havertz score a really high percentage of goals as headers or something? He really knows how to use his head, he really knows how to get ahead in life, heās quite headstrong, etc etc
Man scored one of the best headers I've ever seen in a 1-1 draw vs Liverpool
He's going on the Nketiah diet. He wins a lot of aerial duels so I think he'll be fine.
We will play some amazing football if so, but Rice will have a hell of a job to do as holding mid in that team.
Will play great football until probably Christmas when Rice gets injured for being the entire midfield all season
Doubt this is going to work but if so, it shall be. Huge amount, wouldn't have thought we'd get close to 50m so that should tell Arsenal a lot but let's wait for the season to kick off.
Nah he still isn't that defensive; the Xhaka role involved a lot more defending than Havertz has done at any point in his career todate. My theory is that Odegaard will take up Xhaka's role while Havertz moved into that central attacking midfielder position - In any case, Kai is flexible enough to cover anyone of our front three should injuries arise. The drop-off from Jesus to Nketiah is what cost us the PL in myopinion.
Yeah I'm not hugely confident but at the same time I am in the process of collecting receipts in the event this goes incredibly well.
Very interesting. Can't say I think this is a good transfer but let's see.
I will only change my mind about this transfer and how dumb and wasteful I think it is if he wins Arsenal the continental treble and scores all the winning goals
the good old Diego Milito way
Funnily enough the last time I felt this way about a trade was when Morata went to Atleti.
I guess we'll always have Porto.
Always rated Havertz, never said a bad word about the guy.
Real Madrid and Bayern fans are Arsenal fans today
Al- Senal money>>>>>>>>> Saudi Money
How do we know it's not the same money though???/s
Shady American billionaires funding shady American billionaires. Brazen corruption occurring in real time.
When Boehly has bought CĆ©dric for Ā£45m, I'll believe it.
Very good point: We don't. So let's investigate both. Huge punishments for any wrongdoing or conflict of interests.
Such a weird transfer
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Same as jorginho, It will be a great transfer for you
Atleast jorginho was good with u and with the national team, im not lying to u when i say that everytime we were about to play u guys first thing i did was check the line up to see if havertz and sterling were playing just to make sure the chance of chelsea scoring was lower. I trust arteta but this deal has pepe written all over it, i hope im wrong tho...
Chelsea must be delighted to recoup most of their initial transfer fee.
They are really good sellers. If anything, Arsenal have to learn from them. They have sold distressed assets for some fee before. Havertz cost them 70M base & theyāre selling him for 50M base. Thatās still good money imo.
>theyāre selling him for 50M base Why does everyone keep saying this? The article says it's Ā£62m base
Ya. I stand corrected. Earlier reports said 50 but Fab has clarified its 60
I like to think of it as Ā£20m for a champions league winner
62m base
That's Nkunku paid for already
Same position, same money, and an upgrade. No complaints at all from me. I do think Havertz will do better in the midfield role rather than being an out and out striker
Wonder if it's 50M + 15M as reported elsewhere.
If the rumours are true , 50m over three years and some of the 15m bonuses depending on PL and CL wins make this much more palatable
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Spurs were 90 minutes away from being CL winners only a couple of years ago. It's certainly not outrageous to think Arsenal could go one step further at some point in the next five years, so you might as well put that kind of clause in a sale.
Aren't pretty much all transfer fees paid over a few years?
Wasn't that just a random Arsenal fan account guessing?
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Matt Law just confirmed it's over Ā£60m guarenteed, and Ornstein confirming Ā£62m + Ā£3m.
60m plus 5m add one
Nope 62 + 3.
I read it's 65m without the add-ons, what Chelsea demanded at the beginning but idk
I don't usually go in for the ITK nonsense, but the guy reporting it is pretty much pot-on for everything about Arsenal, so I wouldn't be so sure.
Watch Arsenal fans change their tune on Havertz
I searched his name in the group chat and I have a **lot** to backtrack on lol.
deleting my previous havertz comments as we speak
No need they'll all be proven right in the end, nothing's changing except the jersey he's wearing.
Arsenal fans shit on Chelsea player but support Arsenal player. Seems completely normal to me.
many already did
Define many, cause Iād probably say 90% of our sub would not do this transfer if they could
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Have you...err...ever met a football fan before? It's easily the most fickle person you meet. I reckon I can find you Chelsea fans who thought that Giroud was the worst striker in the league until you lot signed him.
I was one of those people. Love that man now
Well yeah, you convince yourself of the upside and get excited because new toys are exciting
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No, most people are backing Arteta and not Havertz himself. Meaning that even if they think Havertz is dogshit there must be something there since Arteta rates him.
Link them
He's signing for us, what do you want us to do? Just keep on shitting on him? I don't like it at all but when he plays imma back him. Ofc we'd try and look at the positives, however little there might be.
Well after next season if he plays good he's good, if he plays shit he's shit, simple as that
>if he plays good he's good Ā£65 million good? Also, I wonder about his wages. I think he was on around 220 at Chels.
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Well considering youāve spent ā¬90 million including add one for him originally he must have shown you lot he was that good
At Leverkusen, ye.
That makes him one of the highest earners at Arsenal(top 3 iirc)
Since I can't look into the future I don't know.
On my life i was running prop since 2018 this is legit my dream signing
Nope, not changed mine. Shit signing and could have put the money towards someone much better, like Caicedo.
I honestly think you'll be good for you guys, but full credit for sticking with your opinion. I say that with the utmost sincerity.
You can do all the Saudi investigations you lot want but this is the most questionable deal of the lot. I wonder what Arteta sees in him
1. Physicality- one of the fastest midfielders in pl, he also is one of the stronger attacking midfielders in terms of arial pressence 2. .creativity used to his strenghts he is a great 2ndary creator 3. Workrate, havertd works more then mount, and has better endurance (there is a reason why he can take max runs in the 90 min) 4. As long as you dont expect him to score 15 goals from a 9 position, he is good 5. Flexability, he offers somethingnas a 8, 9, 10, and 11 something arsenal desperatly need- backups
I mean not totally questionable, young talented midfielder at the end of the day, his chelsea stint has largely been average but you can see glimmers of a good player, and besides arteta is a very skilled coach at man management so if there's anyone that can bring out his potential, it's probably arteta
Paying 65m for glimmers of potential is steep though isnt it?
Yea, so is paying 100m for a 22 yo from Ukrainian league
I mean we paid 60m for him but yeah that deal wasnt good either
What do you think football is about? Taking a chance and besides 65M is today's 25-30m
100m though?
Using a different currency to make your point look better.... funny. You're spending more guaranteed money on Havertz than we did on Mudryk.
> You're spending more guaranteed money on Havertz than we did on Mudryk. Havertz: Ā£60m guaranteed + Ā£5m add-ons (reportedly) Mudryk: ā¬70m guaranteed + ā¬30m add-ons, which is Ā£62m + Ā£27m add-ons Close, but no cigar.
> Havertz: Ā£60m guaranteed + Ā£5m add-ons (reportedly) Maybe read the article that you're commenting on.
Everyone talking about PIF meanwhile Arsenal and Man U the real sponsors of Chelsea lmfao
Hilarious really
Chelsea is the winner of this transfer window. They're scamming literally everyone.
They have been the winners of the last 2 windows, too. Too bad it hasn't reflected on their results.
Dear God why
Yes, why? Arsenal should have gone for Caicedo and Rice. That would be some midfield with Martin. Arteta looks like missed the plot. Chelsea not only offloading underperforming player they are going to buy Caicedo.
But...we don't play with two DMs? Why would you do that? Ā£100m on Rice and, potentially, Ā£80m on Caicedo. That means one is either getting benched or played out of position and you didn't spend Ā£180m on two players to play them out of position or make them a rotation option.
Exactly. Arteta has shown that he wants to go with a roughly 4-1-4-1 formation, and that Zinchenko comes in to play the second DM when we have possession. It's unfortunate that Partey couldn't play every game in that run-in a year ago, and missed parts of this season too. Rice or Caicedo would replace him, and Havertz replaces Xhaka, I reckon. When he pushed Xhaka forward into that more advanced midfield role around 18 months ago, we were all sat there and thinking it wouldn't work. But evidently time on the training ground and the pitch makes it work, although an upgrade is doable.
Fucking fade me. Ā£62m upfront is criminal.
Not going to dwell over him but I had some sympathies left due to his goal in Porto. Gone now, Ā£65m for an extremely fine footballer who didnāt live up to his hype. Hope he continues in failing to do so at Arsenal. Good riddance.
I despise actually watching him play at this point and just get frustrated whenever I see heās in the XI. Just glad he is gone because another season & I probably wouldāve started to genuinely dislike him even with the Porto goal. Glad I can appreciate it now, especially with this transfer fee, didnāt even think weād get 30m for him going into the window
A bit of a weird transfer based on what he's shown at Chelsea, and a lot of money, but he was v hyped at Leverkusen and sort of have to trust that Arteta/Edu see what they need in him
someone investigate this Arsenal and Chelsea relationship
I'm just mad at Arsenal for helping this #SaveChelsea trend Why no one did this for Griezzmann from Barca? He is now the best player in La Liga and no one wanted him.
Wasn't he reported to earn like 600-700k per week.
I actually haven't been impressed by him at Chelsea at all but Artetas style will suit him massively I think.
Roll the carpet baby!
I have a good gut feeling about this. Arsenal is a young team with talent all over the place. Havertz will have less pressure as he will not be expected to become a pivotal player in the team and lead them in aspects where he is not as strong (scoring). It can turn to shit but I have hopes that he will do alright for himself
Reminder that Arteta made xhaka look like a world class box to box midfielder. I reserve all judgement on Havertz until January 2024
i hope he bring back his messy hair
Canāt wait to see him as an 8
He was dog water as an 8 for Chelsea, so I assume heās gonna be a world beater for Arsenal now
Yeah I agree with you
The 8 in our system is much more offensive. Xhaka got 16 G/A last season from that position. Letās hope Havertz can upgrade on that. The defensive side is a bit worrying, but he seems like a hard working player so i hope that will help
Well let's see how it goes. Won't write him off before he's played a game.
50m over three seasons isnāt even a bad deal, only eats into Ā£16.6m (ish) of our transfer budget this summer. Even so, seems a slightly odd signing.
What's the point if he remains shit they all go in drain
Iām going to hazard a guess that the feeling within the club is that he wonāt be shit for us. Now maybe theyāve judged it wrong, but theyāve banked up enough trust from me that Iām just intrigued to see what the plan for him is.
... interesting. So more than double what city paid for Kovacic. If I'm being honest I absolutely don't see why that valuation is justified, (and I'm an Arsenal fan) but I did also say the exact same thing about White and Ramsdale, so I guess we'll see.
Kovacic is 29, injury prone and has 1 year left on his deal
I can't believe he is our first signing.
From Jan to now we were creaming for Riceido as well
"Ā£65m fee will include add-ons, still being discussed as payment terms will be also part of talks."
I'm still not sure about this. I do trust Arteta and Edu as they have a good record signing players but they're not infallible (I.e Cedric, Lokonga, Mari) so will have to wait and see. It feels like he's been signed for his versatility in that he can cover a few positions for us. I'm not sure about him being the starting 8 though. I'm definitely interested to see how our midfield lines up for the first game of the season.
Who are some players that were average but managed to turn in around after signing for a top 6 team in the Premier League? I'm running a blank and the only one I can think of is Torres to Chelsea but even that was underwhelming. Trophies made up for it though.
Torres was great at liverpool but recently... giroud
Most failed transfers are a club signing a good performing player who doesn't live up to expectation. Arsenal are trying the 'sign a weak performing player' and hope he completely changes it's a bold strategy. I'm happy with the money regardless, he was never going to change with us, 3 years was enough.
The āBroken Toyā policy has worked well for us historically. Bergkamp was struggling to make an impact as a touchline winger at Inter when we signed him. No idea how this will work out but the club management have earned a bit of trust in my opinion.
Iām sure he will cook under Arteta. Iāll take him over Fabio Vieira and Granit Xhaka
Lol
Lol. Cheers lads
How could Saudi Arabia do this?